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 Anonymous
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Many might see this as a stupid question BUT I don't care I find suitable to ask. What would be considered the best symbol of thelema would it be the unicursal hexegram(with or without the 5 petaled rose) or the 7 pointed star with the mark of the beast in a circle. Or the Star of Babalon? Or any others that I may be missing. The reason I ask this is because I am getting a tattoo eventually an I want to have an ideal Symbol of Thelema. Unless of course I am ignorant in the idea that all these symbols are of certain sections of Thelema. Any ideas would definately help.


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 Anonymous
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I think any of the ones you've mentioned would be good to go with. There's no universal symbol of Thelema, the cross in the circle would seem the closest thing.

To be truly Thelemic it would have to be something youve willed, or created. Then of course no-one else would recognise it as having any relations to the Thelemic philosophy.

Hmm, that which can be recognised as Thelema is not Thelema? 😕


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Azidonis
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93,

I simply plan on getting the Seal of the A:.A:. on my left breast eventually... works for me.

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 Anonymous
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How about the six greek letters that spell Thelema (Θελημα)?

Do you really need a tattoo to affirm the tenets of Thelema to yourself? Or is it to show off to other people? Same with A.'.A.'. logo? Just questioning, because a tattoo is a somewhat permanent ordeal.


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"Aum418" wrote:
Do you really need a tattoo to affirm the tenets of Thelema to yourself? Or is it to show off to other people? Same with A.'.A.'. logo? Just questioning, because a tattoo is a somewhat permanent ordeal.

Yeah, I must admit that some years ago (five perhaps?) I was seriously considering a unicursal hexagram tattoo. I knew of permanence issue even back then, but somehow I though that perhaps Thelema is general enough for this not to become a problem. Right now I'm really happy I didn't get that Thelema tattoo, though I'm not an anti-Thelemite either by any means.

If tattoo is too hardcore, you can also draw a universal hexagram on your first Pantacle and later, if you feel so inclined, create another Pantacle with a design of your own. 😉


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I'd personally view this in the same way as i view getting tattoo's of band names.That is: a very bad idea. I think tattoos should be personal and meaningfull, so if it HAS to be related to your current interest in Thelema I'd agree with Nashimirons suggestion. Putting some deep thought into it and desgning something that has resonance for you will result in something you are highly unlikely to regret even if you become a born -again-buddhist-satan worshipper in 20 years time. But then, it's just my opnion and I'm aware that most people get tattoos just for the sake of it.


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"Aum418" wrote:
How about the six greek letters that spell Thelema (Θελημα)?

Do you really need a tattoo to affirm the tenets of Thelema to yourself? Or is it to show off to other people? Same with A.'.A.'. logo? Just questioning, because a tattoo is a somewhat permanent ordeal.

the six greek letters is actually a great idea thanks Aum and I just want to get a tattoo (it will actually probably be hidden for the ordeal of permenantly reminding my self subconsiously my place in this world and that I have no right but to do my will. Its more to show off to my astral self if you will. But again thanks for the in site the six greek letters sounds perfect


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Azidonis
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93,

The idea of the Seal has been in my mind since 1999, when I took the Oath of Probationer for the first time.

Since then, the idea has continued and is meant to be a physical representation of personal Attainment at a certain point. It's not for show (hence to be put on the breast), and it's also extremely possible that I'll never get this tattoo on the outer realms of my body, and save it for the inner realms. Who knows.

Anyway, it's an idea that I've had for a very long time.

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 Anonymous
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Yeah cool, the greek letters!!! Just like a friend of mine has, ...and a couple of others I`ve met! Maybe to be more original get E.Levi`s Baphomet, oh just remembered, seen that 4 times now.
keep searching, try google images to get you started on ideas, If you copy it from somewhere, chances are someone else has already got it inscribed on their body......like two girls turning up to a party in the same dress design....the horror, the horror.


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The personal tattoo is always a good call, not only because of great significance, but remains as a solid memory even after what sparked it may be in the past.

I only have 2 at present, a stylised Ogham on my left wrist in memory of my first wife and a sigil upon my inner right calf which was a sigil-working experiment - plus it looks nice, this was self done whilst working in a tat studio.

Tattooing has quite a fascinating history, although all future tats I'd like will need to be ceremonial, and if I can get it traditional then all the better 😀 taptaptap.

What symbols do you hold dear, which gods you worship, there's always a flowing source of what to get inscribed on your body, it's like decorating your temple walls.

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93 all,
i have the unicursal hexagram with the rose done on my low back inside an ambigram circle of the elements. you can check it out in the members gallery to see how it looks. tattoos are symbols of affirmation at least to me! more power to you!!! :mrgreen: Lara 93 93/93


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 Anonymous
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Tattoos can also be a form of total attachment and ridiculous showmanship. Lower-back tattoos are specifically known as 'tramp stamps' from around where I live and are understood to have the intent of emphasizing sexual attractiveness (I am saying the tattoo can be a symbol of a little more than you intended). An affirmation, indeed! To me, this is exclaiming "I want attention" more than anything like "I resonate with Thelema."

Aside from all this - Tattos are (relatively) permanent. Are your ideals, or even 'you' (your normal identity) permanent at all? What if in 5 years you decide that you dont agree with certain things in Liber AL & Thelema and so want to become a Wiccan? A born-again Christian? An atheist? A tattoo in this sense is an attachment, and a detriment to the Great Work. These symbols can affirm your Will and the Great Work... but how well can it do this if its somewhere that only other people can see? How well can this be done when the symbol is more for showing off to others than to affirm to yourself the message contained therein? If you want to get a tattoo, I would think long and hard about it, and visualize yourself 30 years from now contemplating the tattoo.

My views are somewhat conflicting on this - if you are doing it to be showy, to pretend to be spiritual, to decorate yourself out of boredom... these are reasons I cannot agree with. A symbolic affirmation of the will (which I cannot understand a tattoo on the back to be but whatever... to each his or her own), a well-thought-out non-dogmatic statement... even then I would be reticent to imbue this ever-changing body, this ever-changing psyche with a relatively permanent symbol that may be much more meaningless in the future or be superceded by a more meaningful one. To me, a lack of tattoos is also a 'clean slate' of sort, no attachment, etc. But go ahead - There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.

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my tattoo is not in a visible place like say when i bend over. i have it because i wanted it and it shows my belief. you are right to each his/her own!! tattoos are a form of expression like with anything else...and everybody's belief system is different too..


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"worldwidedecadence" wrote:
my tattoo is not in a visible place like say when i bend over. i have it because i wanted it and it shows my belief. you are right to each his/her own!! tattoos are a form of expression like with anything else..

Whoever said I was talking about you? But while you mention yourself... you claim its not in a visible place yet, through effort and will of your own, you post the picture of your tattoo to an online gallery and tell another to go look at it. A bit contradictory, I think. Tattoos are a form of expression, but so is a word and we dont need to look or hear this word the rest of our physical lives... so is a poem but we can still crumple it up afterwards and throw it away to make room for infinite more poems, or laugh at its ridiculous pomposity and move onto higher heights... There seem to be more efficacious expressions of oneself, but obviously one could choose tattoos if you will.

.and everybody's belief system is different too..

No... are you sure? Really?

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 Anonymous
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you are rude and too aggressive.....


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"worldwidedecadence" wrote:
you are rude and too aggressive.....

And you are a beautiful person.

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Azidonis
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93,

As for "showy" tattoos, I've wanted for quite a while to have an artist draw a pictures of Shiva and Shakti embracing... if I got one, that would be my "showy" tattoo. Then there's always the ridiculous ones, like I thought once to put "Love" between the left knuckles and "Lust" between the right ones.

As of now, the only one thinkable to occur is the Seal. Currently, I am void of tattoos, but I should... not insert comment here about the one on the small of Lara's back. 😛

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 Anonymous
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93!

Well, personally I think that the perhaps the Unicursal Hexagram is the one that I associate most with but it also makes me associate directly with Crowley so that still wouldnt be really suitable, not for me anyhow.
I think the word in its original language letters is propably the most suitable one.

Personally I like the natural duality and have a tendency to always think about stuff in that way so the opposite would be something that gives me the right association that I would want.
So a Heart (Agape) is probably what I would use, or maybe something like this: http://www.thelema.s e"> http://www.thelema.se
If I would ever even make a tatoo, its a tricky question for me, I have alot of really nice ideas, but at the same time Im not sure If I am to "damage" the "natural order" of my body. Cant make up my mind.
But now that I think about it, I actually think Ill do some tatoos anyway.
Some discreet ones, and then a great idea I have planned for sometime now, and it would be on my back in that case, but not a particulary discreet one lol, kinda big thing actually.

Wont tell you about it though since Im rather private with my work, and what is more magickal than modyfing your body physically? 🙂

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