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Shiva
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Time for a Miles Mathis break...

Oooo!  That looks good, but it's sooo long, and Malkuth is demanding attention, so I can't take a long break and maybe you (or someone) can find the part(s) that describe Charlie's persona in-person.

The false flag notion is interesting.


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Welcome to the thread of counter-initiation academy. While there are some JC books made for entertainment purposes, I adore his Essay's series of books, those are the only contemporary Thelema books worth reading.

Manson - Here is the wild card. Did he exhibit this in-person presence? I dunno, maybe someone else has read reports on his real-time persona?

He did. I've crossed paths with his "organized" followers and their bhakti-like admiration for him was obvious. I am unsure if it is a tenet of his followers but I think I have seen at least one reference to him as the second coming of christ. 

If anyone needs help kicking heroin I hope you get the help you need. Crowley warned us to not live like him for good reason.

For the rest of the people under discussion I am ecstatic I choose to not associate with any of them. 🙂 

I don't know what to make of Gunther but I can presume he is even lamer then Scott Adams and that is an amazing accomplishment. I don't remember what turned me off to Initiation in the Aeon of the Child if I recall correctly it had nothing to do with initiation or Thelema. I can say however that The Angel and The Abyss is word salad. On one page it can contain references to five ancient cultures, three languages, a large collection of photos from the Internet for filler, quotations, then it remembers sometimes the topic is Crowley, so sprinkle in some Blavatsky, things Crowley wrote, Carl Jung (always mention Carl Jung so your audience thinks they are smart because they know who that is), tarot, and the uber mysterious Hebrew letters held so sacred to gentile heretics, and yet I am unable to discover what he is trying to say about the Angel and the Abyss because it is completely muddled by references to times, places, and cultures that have nothing to do with the topics he is discussing. I am grateful that they paid some poor bastard to include an index and 15 pages of works consulted. Whoever you are I am deeply impressed and you deserve a very special place in hell. 

There are in total 24 pages of what I must conclude is Guntherism (starting on page 328). I will also call this Neo-Nazarethism. For no better reason than it sounds like neo-nazism. From the content of PTSD cases visible in this thread it is clear that most of the people in this thread believes the neonastys are more omnipresent, more organized, and more in the government from top to bottom than out of it than the witches ruining Puritans' crop yields and without your eternal vigilance about the kind of symbols and art people like and with whom people have sex with, who knows what kind of world we would live in today!

So anyway neo-nazarethism extols the virtues of the quest of union with the HGA to be the magnum opus of those like himself devoted to "serve mankind" as a mahayana cross to bear.

Let it be known that while once the sacrifice to redeem the sins of mankind was once served by offering crops, children, and beasts, then in the Age of Osiris this need was served by Christ (don't ask me how I am just paraphrasing), now in the Age of Gunther, the sacrifice to redeem the sins of mankind consists of taking the time to copy and paste pictures from the internet and sprinkle in strange spooky looking non-English languages for 300 pages.

When this has overwhelmed any psychic resistance of the reader Guntherism provides a mailing address in London and an email address (!) to take part in the funny robe club they proudly display  in technicolor that they swear is nothing like the ku klux klan even if all the people mentioned in his books and in this thread looks like they would fit right in.

So the reader of his book must presume that the raison d'etre for the prior 5,000 years or so of world building in the proceeding pages is in fact Guntherism. (Nota bene: see what I did there? Do you see how smart and educated I am to express myself with funny looking non English words? Maybe I am a disciple of Guntherism after all hahaha.)

Oh on page 300 (and yeah I am certain there is more than retarded reason for the make up of chapters page length) I enjoyed the shallow discussion of Plato, neoplatonism, and Iamblichus. But I find it bizarre to the extreme that this is the end of the book and not the beginning but then again I am not a Neo-Nazarethist. I recall that "Shiva X." in the introduction however calls him a great teacher so apparently the Masters wisdom knows no bounds.

While I take an exception to promulgating the clearly un-Thelemic and positively evil spirits contained in Kenneth Grants works (I still refuse to even open The Ninth Arch, it is that good at scaring me off so bravo!), at least he offers the reader creative spiritual experiences you could not find on wikipedia. Greetings and salutations to all my Lashtal Fans! I wish you all an interesting and fulfilling new year! XCIII Valete!

In Prophetes Veritas Venit. Quod ambulas cum Thelema et Agape est semper fidelis pietas.


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Posted by: @runelogix

I have seen at least one reference to him as the second coming of christ. 

Yeah. I saw that one (or more?) a very long time ago ... so it must be true, right? I mean it must be true that at least one follower thought he/she was in the presence of "Christ."

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(always mention Carl Jung so your audience thinks they are smart because they know who that is)

I have always followed this rule, but not really always. That is, I often mention Jung specifically in reference to the word equation, Anima = Angel. But then, I really hesitate to push the Angel term ... when there is no Angel. Oh, some folks may actually see or sense an Angel. Perdurabo described a "sense" of a man behind him - Hamid, overshadowed by Aiwass? Or an Angel overshadowing it all? And nobody I know has seen this HGA as an Angel. Anybody, please, if you have seen and talked to an Angelic HGA, please speak (write) up.

I am not speaking of angels in general. I have observed them in the company of other persons, so we can discuss it and later reassure each other that we are not, you know, insane.

But, oh, there is something that is equivalent to the HGA - it just doesn't appear as an Angel, or even a personoid (resembling a person). I have always only seen a Star (it talks).

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I am unable to discover what he is trying to say about the Angel and the Abyss because it is completely muddled by references to times, places, and cultures that have nothing to do with the topics he is discussing.

Oh, goodness. Your description here sounds very much like Crowley's description of Edwin Arthwaitism (in reference to Waite's writ).

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most of the people in this thread believes the neonastys are more omnipresent

Not me. It is always the case that a small minority control a vast majority of simple, innocent folks like ourselves. Of course, if they get high up, then they have vast agencies at their disposal. I suspect many agents do things just to keep their job. Shinola rolls dwnhill until the gov is tainted to the bottom. But when I go to, say, the Motor Vehicle Dept, I do not seem to be prejudiced against.

But how does a minority overcome a majority? I'm not into political stuff, so I'll just refer anybody to the history books.

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now in the Age of Gunther, the sacrifice to redeem the sins of mankind consists of taking the time to copy and paste pictures from the internet and sprinkle in strange spooky looking non-English languages for 300 pages.

Oh, my. This does sound Waitish. I haven't read either of the books (Aeon or A+A), so it's interesting to get a review. One of these must surely be his Thesis. In your opininion, which of his two books would you say most qualifies as an exposition of how the world works and what he's doing to change it?

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Do you see how smart and educated I am to express myself with funny looking non English words?

The Guidelines state that posts must be in English! But you were making a point about non-English, and it was only a couple of words (Notta Bean?), so I think you won't even get a warning.

 


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Raison d'être looks way funnier with the little roof on the e...


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@shiva Oh yeah I totally did not think about the Arthur Waite criticism (it must be decades ago when I read that) but yes it is the same school of writing!

The bar is set so low for the dissident spiritual marketplace from the domain of banal materialism today that like most literature all one needs to is put a monkey in front of a typewriter and type way for a fresh perspective. And the sad bits are that I really enjoy all those human cultural civilizations he surveys and he makes references to a rather large selection of obscure alchemy and Latin that is in the milieu that I have chosen to make a part of my life.

"In your opinion, which of his two books would you say most qualifies as an exposition of how the world works and what he's doing to change it?"

Perhaps only that his exposition on their policy to speak on false claimants to the head of the OTO and AA is "Silence." There is no attempt to change it only to seize the orbit of narrative not unlike fallacious claims of "we are the true Israelites." He does intend his followers to reach the MT grade and claims that they must all become Scarlet Women. I am pretty sure this involves bleeding from one or another orifice.

I would need to find the first book and look through it but my library is in flux at the moment and I don't feel like bothering to find it. I believe he gave more `Tarotic` justification for the New Aeon in the first one and that the goal of initiation is to transform the psyche to a childlike state of wonder in the New Aeon in the first book and that it included the Sethian mythos which I think is a polite way of saying get buggered by the master.

I can listen to an hour of Alan Watts and achieve a thoughtful hubris-free review of any topic whatsoever and while I may not agree with everything he says at least I can say I learned something which is pretty good for a guy who has been dead for almost 50 years. I am not sure I can say that about anything wrt Guntherism.

(It has been a recent observation of mine that over the last twenty years or so the number adult dual language learners is near zero percent of the general population and the Otherness of non-English languages (which this book wonderfully illustrates) and which paradoxically seems to be amplifying as the rest of the world is gaining English fluency.)

In Prophetes Veritas Venit. Quod ambulas cum Thelema et Agape est semper fidelis pietas.


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Posted by: @runelogix

I believe he gave more `Tarotic` justification for the New Aeon in the first one and that the goal of initiation is to transform the psyche to a childlike state of wonder in the New Aeon in the first book and that it included the Sethian mythos which I think is a polite way of saying get buggered by the master.

Oh. Well, look, I think some folks were given the (temporal) Keys to the Kingdom (by a judge).  back in '86. Then they printed books and sued people. Now they are quiet (no books, limited legalism). 

Then, arising from the pile, we see signs and hear signals that the herald The (new) New World Teacher. Immediately, we suspect "Jump-Claiming" and we demand to see the certification. That is, if a list, like the AC Timeline Dom was distributing, showing practices and grades earned ... Where is this List? Where is the Autobiography - or better yet, the independent biography/

Since, according to your review, the book(s) do not stand forth with simple self-verification, and since they do not contain practical information, such as how-to-do-it practices, I really don't feel (not know) at this time that the essays can be accepted an imprimatured as a 7=4 Thesis

Also, since the author is telling us about the importance of the Angel, I would hope to see some words writ down that somehow convey the idea that the author actually had a chat with his own Angel. Is there such a thing to be found in these tomes?

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... which is pretty good for a guy who has been dead for almost 50 years.

Uh, oh. I sat in Watts' lecture in Vancouver, British Columbia in 1971. He was actually alive. Now I have to go figure, Where am I?

 


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@shiva It is as they used to say, "wishy washy." He says it is important and you should do it. He denies the reader any explanation on how to do it. I believe that is what all the cute robes and the mailing address is for. It is little wonder why most enlightenment seekers seek greener pastures from the east.

In Prophetes Veritas Venit. Quod ambulas cum Thelema et Agape est semper fidelis pietas.


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Posted by: @runelogix

He denies the reader any explanation on how to do it.

Aha!  Talk-talk without fuel for sale.

 


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