Do what thou wilt
The Book of the Lauds is hereby released, on the 7th anniversary of the burning of Boleskine House, which marked the beginning of the end of the Aeon of Horus.
Liber MA vel Laudum is the new Dispensation for the MA-ION, aka the Equinox of MA and the Aeon of Ma'at, which was initiated at the Great Conjunction on the December Solstice of e.v. 2020.
This text was dictated in Nambé over the course of three days in November, 2022. Spoken in the words of the three divinities of the Theban Triad, and scribed by Omega Logion 9°=2□, Liber MA is the continuation of the work of To Mega Therion 9°=2□, and the evolution of The Book of the Law.
Love in the lauds, love with the will.
Omega Logion
Just for kicks I downloaded the Book of Lauds. It's pretty cool. I like the traditional title page design, looks like an official O.T.O. Publication.
This text was dictated in Nambé
"Nambé" as in the dialect of the Tewa Pueblo Indian/Native American language, spoken by a total of 34 people in 2012, according to this wikipedia article?
Why did "the three divinities of the Theban Triad" use this very very obscure Pueblo Indian/Native American dialect to communicate a message about an aeon named after Egyptian gods in a book with a Latin title, with Egyptian hieroglyphs, and Chinese I Ching trigrams on the cover? It is, BTW, an obvious plagiarism/parody of AC's AL.
How is it that the person who received this document is among the very very few that understand Nambé?
Why is the English translation of the title "The Book of the Lauds", rather then "The Book of Praises", since that is what "Laudum" means? Or does "laudum" mean something else in Nambé?
The "traditional title page design" is actually not at all traditional. What is the English translation of the Egyptian hieroglyphics on the bottom, which are not at all the same as those found on the AC libers? What is the source of this hieroglyphic inscription?
@ignant666 It means the Babe in the Abyss and the age of Horus, Justice and Wisdom.
@christibrany I thought that there was a strict prohibition on changing any word in the text? Heck, I could write a better parody of the Book of the Law. In mine the intelligences are Swahili.
I didn't want to be mean but by fan book I meant knock-off.
My lengthy post got scrubbed due to Borg deficiencies. Kay Serah, serah. I have downed the text - it is tagged for forensic interpretation and scrutiny ... later.
TA DA!
My shorter second post, made to compensate for Borg failure of the original post which is now abrogated, consists of my entry into the
AC Cover Page Knock-off Contest
Synchronistically linked to this morning's (in NM) flurry of wind-chilling antagonisms toward the trigrammic cover page of Ma, I find it clever on the part of the cosmic compulsion to have allowed me to finish the booklet, 5D, which is the sequel to 4D, which is yet unpublished.
Herewith submitted is the (booklet)(interior) cover page, only as a low-res screenshot. 5D does not announce any new aeon, era, epoch, or age ... it gives instruction in dealing with the here-and-now, from the viewpoint of the fifth dimension, which we know as Tiphareth ...
In order to provide pre-publication material for antagonisitic and antignostic review and shredding, one page pic from the epistle has been authorized for review and shredding. The usual screenshot snap is about 1/5 the resolution of the codex, but it's clear enough to show the protagonist and his guide viewing The Hierarchy of Angels, still in 4D prior to ascending to 5D.
Hint: The top of the hierarchy (where the black night begins) is Paroketh, which knowledge should (possibly) enable you (anyone at all) to crack the code and continue your own work as a Magus ...
All you need to make a rip-off title page is a Solar Disk, two D'jed on either side of your border, some Hebrew writing, some Roman Numeral's and some indecipherable Egyptian Hieroglyphs. Maybe some Arabic numerals as well.
All you need to make a rip-off title page is a Solar Disk, two D'jed on either side of your border, some Hebrew writing, some Roman Numeral's and some indecipherable Egyptian Hieroglyphs.
I forewent the Hebraic writ and the Numbers of Rome.
Please submit your rip-off.
@shiva I would love to, but I'm too stupid to do graphics and send them. Just use your imagination, it's awesome believe me!
Why did "the three divinities of the Theban Triad" use this very very obscure Pueblo Indian/Native American dialect to communicate a message about an aeon named after Egyptian gods ...
Why is the English translation of the title "The Book of the Lauds", rather then "The Book of Praises", since that is what "Laudum" means? Or does "laudum" mean something else in Nambé?
The "traditional title page design" is actually not at all traditional. What is the English translation of the Egyptian hieroglyphics on the bottom, which are not at all the same as those found on the AC libers? What is the source of this hieroglyphic inscription?
Dwtw
Nambé refers to a place, not a language.
The translation of the title is the other way around: The Book of the Lauds translates into Latin as Liber Laudum.
The title page is deliberately changed from AC's design, and has been on all publications of the M.I.X. The trigrams are those of the seven planets, and seven signs that they rule in astrology. The hieroglyphs at the bottom translate as the words Akh, Re, Maat, and Amun.
Litllwtw
O.L.
The translation of the title is the other way around: The Book of the Lauds translates into Latin as Liber Laudum.
I had never before encountered the English word "Lauds" before; thank you for expanding my vocabulary. And thanks for answering my other questions.
Why is this post-Thelema book named after a Roman Catholic morning/dawn worship service? Or is it named after the three biblical psalms known as the "Laudate psalms", and, if so, again, why?
"Lauds" is an Xian liturgical term that, unlike Revelations and much other cultural baggage, would not have been part of AC's upbringing, as Plymouth Brethren, and even Anglicans, don't celebrate Lauds.
You should visit Shiva; Nambé is pretty near where he lives.
The Book of the Lauds translates into Latin as Liber Laudum.
And "Laudanum is a tincture of opium containing approximately 10% powdered opium by weight (the equivalent of 1% morphine).] Laudanum is prepared by dissolving extracts from the opium poppy (Papaver somniferum Linnaeus) in alcohol (ethanol)." - Wiki-pee-dia
.. and Amun.
I wonder what this air-god is doing in here? A political (Jupiterian) entity, he comes from an older aeon.
Nambé is pretty near where he lives.
What? [he faints and goes into a trance] ...
The title page is deliberately changed from AC's design, and has been on all publications of the M.I.X. The trigrams are those of the seven planets, and seven signs that they rule in astrology. The hieroglyphs at the bottom translate as the words Akh, Re, Maat, and Amun.
Those hieroglyphs are Determinatives, the combination of sound syllables written with the hieroglyphs of Ox, (Which is actually a Phoenician sign, not Egyptian for some reason) Maat (feather) Ostrich plume, (rebus principle) H Raised two handed arm, Heka Magic) Horus (Falcon) Water, Akh (The Ibis bird) a Senet board, sun with Uraeus (Southern Kingdom) mouth, child.(figure with finger in its mouth) I won't venture to say that it really doesn't mean anything in a conversational sense, I don't know. There are determinatives and phonograms, so maybe it does say something.
Why is this post-Thelema book named after a Roman Catholic morning/dawn worship service? Or is it named after the three biblical psalms known as the "Laudate psalms", and, if so, again, why?
"Lauds" is an Xian liturgical term that, unlike Revelations and much other cultural baggage, would not have been part of AC's upbringing, as Plymouth Brethren, and even Anglicans, don't celebrate Lauds.
Dwtw
I can't say why it's called the Book of Lauds, as I was only the scribe. But it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Lauds (or Matins, or Vespers, etc.) in the liturgical sense. Maybe it needs to be considered in light of one of its synonyms - extol, a word we find in Liber Ararita where the adept says "Let me extol thy perfections before men..." But then again maybe it doesn't. Maybe it refers to the 'stele verses' which are basically supplications and praises to the gods?
IDK, I suspect there is a more hidden meaning in the use of the term. It could be qabalistic. I'm not a fan of Hebrew transliteration unless it is obviously called for, but LAUDS could equal 341, the sum of the three Mother letters of the elements Shin-Mem-Alef. That would fit in nicely with the tripartite form of the work. And LAUD by itself would be 41, which is identical to Mem-Alef, or MA.
Litllwtw
O.L.
I had never before encountered the English word "Lauds" before; thank you for expanding my vocabulary.
In my experience it's more common as a verb – to laud someone is to praise them, often quite lavishly. As a noun it's archaic, and I've not come its use across until now.
Personally I love the use of archaic words, which I encounter more in Spare 's written work than anywhere else. My current passion is to tease out what Spare meant by the "funambulatory way", itself a delicious term.
However, I digress, as do most of us a few minutes before Christmas Day.
Yes, i have heard it as a verb, but never before as a noun.
I can't say why it's called the Book of [the] Lauds
I beleive i can help you out there- the text is a obvious pastiche/parody/copy of the book known as "The Book Of The Law". The title is "The Book Of The Lauds" because that is an almost homophone of the title of the book that it is inspired by.
It seems obvious the author of the Book of the Lauds was reading a copy of Liber AL verse by verse while writing the verses of the new text, and uses the text of Liber AL as a template for chapters and verses, while transporting some of the words in the parallel verses of Liber AL into the verses of the new text; this brings into question whether the new text has any qualities at all that can demonstrate it was truly received from a source apart from the author of the document.
an almost homophone of the title of the book that it is inspired by
Oh. You noticed. Will using the word homophone in public get me arrested or admired?
It seems obvious the author of the Book of the Lauds was reading a copy of Liber AL verse by verse while writing the verses of the new text, and uses the text of Liber AL as a template for chapters and verses, while transporting some of the words in the parallel verses of Liber AL into the verses of the new text
Oh, this is earth-shaking. You have motivated me over the hill, to leave the reply, right now, and read [at least a portion of] The Louds Book.
[he departs]
[he returns]
Uh-oh!
Yes, this is true.
this brings into question whether the new text has any qualities at all that can demonstrate it was truly received from a source apart from the author of the document.
Although this question of "source apart" already exists in relation to AL, and other channeled or auto-writ docs, it is also a good question to ponder in relation to Lauds.
Oh. You noticed. Will using the word homophone in public get me arrested or admired?
Although this question of "source apart" already exists in relation to AL, and other channeled or auto-writ docs, it is also a good question to ponder in relation to Lauds.
I have another word for it. Plagiarism.
I have another word for it. Plagiarism.
Perhaps you go too far in your denunciation. I believe the proper term in Librarianism is derivative.
Of course, derivatives are mentioned in copyright laws, and you can't get away with switching a few words - the courts and the lawyers are onto that one.
But in this case, the copyright has expired and the trademarks have crumbled, so anybody can do whatever they want and get away with it ... in court.
But not here.
You should get out more.
This is true - depending on the direction. For example getting out of a thread to visit a derivative in order to validate its source is not the proper direction.
Perhaps you go too far in your denunciation. I believe the proper term in Librarianism is derivative.
I 'll go even further, it is Blasphemous! "Shall not one word be changed this book, but lest there be folly"
I 'll go even further, it is Blasphemous! "Shall not one word be changed this book, but lest there be folly"
Dwtw
If you're going to quote the Book that you're not supposed to change, then please get the quote right:
"My scribe Ankh-af-na-khonsu, the priest of the princes, shall not in one letter change this book; but lest there be folly, he shall comment thereupon by the wisdom of Ra-Hoor-Khuit."
This says the scribe of Liber AL shall not change the letters. It doesn't seem to apply to others, like the Chief Editor of the O.T.O., or in the present case, אמיהנס
Litllwtw
O.L.
It seems obvious the author of the Book of the Lauds was reading a copy of Liber AL verse by verse while writing the verses of the new text, and uses the text of Liber AL as a template for chapters and verses, while transporting some of the words in the parallel verses of Liber AL into the verses of the new text; this brings into question whether the new text has any qualities at all that can demonstrate it was truly received from a source apart from the author of the document.
Dwtw
I assume when you say author you mean scribe? As the scribe, I had no need of the written text, since I have Liber AL memorized. Presumably the author knows it even better than I.
As to whether it can be proved that it came from a source other than the scribe, that's the same question that is asked of Liber AL. That has been proven to be so, or not, depending on whom you ask. I expect the same thing applies here: the proof is in the pudding; but no amount of data will convince everyone.
There are certainly a good amount of obvious numerical riddles given, which may or may not prove to have any arcana hidden therein. I'll start with an obvious one, that avoids English gematria: there are 6 Hebrew letters in the Book. What is the value of those letters spelled 'in full'?
Litllwtw
O.L.
What is the value of those letters spelled 'in full'?
That would depend on how someone chooses to spell them.
I 'll go even further, it is Blasphemous!
Well, yes, that's more like it. Would you like to file charges with The Grand Tribunal?
"Shall not one word be changed this book, but lest there be folly"
But, see, one gets around this barrier by renaming the book, issuing it under a different authority, and entering a new aeon. All this and the changing of a bunch of words and gods.
... that's the same question that is asked of Liber AL. That has been proven to be so, or not, depending on whom you ask.
If I, or anyone, asks someone who thinks it has been proven, then I (or anyone) will ask for the proof. I haven't seen any, yet.
[waiting]
That would depend on how someone chooses to spell them
... and which numbering system is used - once the spelling is straightened out.
If I, or anyone, asks someone who thinks it has been proven, then I (or anyone) will ask for the proof. I haven't seen any, yet.
You wouldn't know what proof is if someone showed it to you. Proof is what remains when the skeptic fails to disprove the evidence at hand. To disprove an assertion, one must form a cogent argument that draws from specific facts, as opposed snickering like a 12-year old and responding with sarcasm and blanket skepticism. For instance, when anyone refers to efforts at solving the puzzles of Liber Legis as noodling, what they are actually doing is antagonizing someone for making the effort to solve a puzzle, as opposed to offering a valid skeptical argument. This is why I responded to Threefold31 with specific arguments that address his claims, which you responded to with sarcasm.
... and which numbering system is used - once the spelling is straightened out.
This is one area where Crowley and C. S. Jones drove Thelema over a cliff, by mixing different alphabets and gematria systems, and even using two different gematria systems simultaneously within the same argument. It's time to start fresh, and one of the reasons why an English magical alphabet is advocated in Liber Legis.
But, see, one gets around this barrier by renaming the book, issuing it under a different authority, and entering a new aeon. All this and the changing of a bunch of words and gods.
You wouldn't know what proof is if someone showed it to you. Proof is what remains when the skeptic fails to disprove the evidence at hand. To disprove an assertion, one must form a cogent argument that draws from specific facts
Umm, no.
To prove an assertion, yes, one might well need "a cogent argument that draws from specific facts". One can indeed debunk simply with sarcasm and mockery. Because....
To say "Proof is what remains when the skeptic fails to disprove the evidence at hand" is a ludicrous inversion of the concept of "burden of proof". The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim. So it is just false as a matter of logic that "proof" consists of the failure of disproof, as you have claimed.
And of, course, what you really mean by "disprove" is "provide evidence that will convince any crank or nut True Believer in whatever crank/nut argument is at issue". There is no duty to disprove things to the satisfaction of cranks and nuts before we can say they are not true.
I am sure, as a proponent of the argument that you have made that the burden of proof lies on the those who disagree with a claim, that you will immediately agree that i have proven the claim that "Timothy Moss, once or currently of Amarillo Texas, is mostly purple in color, with large green spots on some portions of his body". I have proven this claim by making it, and you cannot disprove this claim to my satisfaction.
I should let you know in advance that any purported photographs of said "Timothy Moss" person purporting to show some skin color other that purple with green spots, or any affidavits making representations to that effect, are photoshop jobs and/or perjured (in my unshakeable opinion). I would, BTW, probably have the same opinion of any other evidence you might care to bring forward to dispute my claim. Remember the burden of proof lies on you, not me, if you disagree.
Now you might say "Well, if you want to ignore all available evidence and just assert nutty stuff, i don't think you will persuade anyone who is not nuts!", some folks might well agree with you,
Some folks, but not you- your own words say my claim is unassailable proven truth.
... that's the same question that is asked of Liber AL. That has been proven to be so, or not, depending on whom you ask.
If I, or anyone, asks someone who thinks it has been proven, then I (or anyone) will ask for the proof. I haven't seen any, yet.
[waiting]
That would depend on how someone chooses to spell them
... and which numbering system is used - once the spelling is straightened out.
Dwtw
I would like to clarify that I was not claiming anything in Liber MA has been proven; I was speaking of Liber AL. Numerous proofs of the intricate mathematics of AL based on Trigrammaton have been given over the years. Some accept these and others don't. Other systems have also offered data, which some accept and others don't. That is the fate of any attempted decoding; of Liber AL, Liber MA, or any other purported 'holy book'.
I posed the question of the Hebrew letters precisely because it has a non-controversial answer. It is true that one can use final values or not, with certain letters, but those are variations of the basic values of the letter-names. I am proposing to look at a standard list of letter-names; let's just use Liber D from Sepher Sephiroth as a basis. This contains the traditional, standard values of the 22 Hebrew letter-names of the Kabbalah. What are the names of the six letters found in Liber MA? The answer is easily found, and is rather interesting.
Litllwtw
O.L.
What are the names of the six letters found in Liber MA? The answer is easily found, and is rather interesting.
Golly, sounds fascinating.
Why don't you, rather than being all coy, tell us what are the six Hebrew letters which the "author" (who is definitely not you) of this book has inserted into the text, and what is, in your opinion, "rather interesting" about the sum of their Liber D values?
Another interesting question that you might care to answer is: Why would anyone imagine that this result isn't because the "author" (who is definitely not you) contrived to insert those letters deliberately to produce this result?
Numerous proofs of the intricate mathematics of AL based on Trigrammaton have been given over the years.
This is you making a little joke, right?
The reader is surely not intended to imagine that you are saying that your various claims re numbers, and various arithmetical calculations based on those numbers, have anything at all to do with actual, real-world mathematics, or are evaluated by most actual, real-world mathematicians as anything other than occult fantasy crank-material?
If you cannot answer "Yes, the general consensus in mathematical academia is that my claims are true and well-founded", you have a hell of nerve using the term "proofs" to describe your claims. You see, that is what a mathematical "proof" is- a claim that is accepted by all/nearly all mathematicians.
"Proving" things to your own satisfaction is no more valid WRT to your nutty claims than WRT to the even-nuttier claims of the other nutty "cypher solver" you are currently battling with in this thread.
Other systems have also offered data
Ain't no one ever offered anything that can reasonably be called "data" with regard to any QBL claims whatsoever in human history. What you meant to say is "Other systems have also made claims..."
"Proving" things to your own satisfaction is no more valid WRT to your nutty claims than WRT to the even-nuttier claims of the other nutty "cypher solver" you are currently battling with in this thread.
This is a highly constructive statement, especially coming from an Elderly American Druggie.
The redolence of your cynicism reminds me of one who is, indeed, ignant to the subject matter. There is a lot of difference between proofs of mundane mathematics and the realm of what one could term "Occult Mathematics".
I previewed this thread in hopes of finding some kind of real criticism. Like someone who has actually done some kind of REAL research and can offer argument, rather pro or con. This is obviously the work of one individual with his HGA, which is an intimate and soul retching experience. I think that the majority of so-called Thelemites are so far removed from this experience, and that such experiences cannot be quantified by any mundane science.
One does not need the consensus of mundane mathematicians to prove that which is occult or esoteric. Yet, you obviously are not an Occultist
occult fantasy crank-material
That kind of says it all.
You don't prove anything by insulting, about the only thing you prove is that you're crotchety.
You wouldn't know what proof is if someone showed it to you.
I see. You chose to be the anal sphincter muscle this morning. Maybe some clock-cleaning is in the works ...
Proof is what remains when the skeptic fails to disprove the evidence at hand. To disprove an assertion, one must form a cogent argument that draws from specific facts
Big words. Grand ideas. But does it work ?
Give me the sign of the open pi.
... opposed snickering like a 12-year old and responding with sarcasm and blanket skepticism
The sphincter widens. What a kranky fellow you are today. Such pent-up frustration, spilling over onto our tidy pages.
noodling
Since I have never used this word, I may safely bypass its tentacles. I often use the word fiddling, which is what AC taught us to do in order to prove our importance to ourselves, and <haha> others . But fiddling is where one changes or exchanges or omits or adds some letter, number, or hiero-g to the pot.
De Laurence who published books on esotericism
Note: Your replies are coming out on-screen as part of the blockquote you are responding to. You are supposed to start typing your response below the { /quote } thingy. This is a new approach that replaces the older blockquote in a boxed box ... now it's just letters and one must find the underside of the /quote thingy or be judged incompetent.
Yes, I know DeL,
very well.
DeL was a primary source of publications in the 60s.
One can indeed debunk simply with sarcasm and mockery.
But it [apparently] really urinates some people off.
The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.
Aha! The Lord Words! This is not a hypothesis - it is The Axiom. This burden has appeared before ... in courts and on threads everywhere. Some folks don't take criticism well, failing to understand that the sarcasm is utilized in order to lighten the blows.
There is no duty to disprove things to the satisfaction of cranks and nuts ...
See, there is grace, after all.
I was not claiming anything in Liber MA has been proven
I think the "proof" has shifted to MA being a cookie-cutter format using AL as the scaffold. This is obviously true, to even the most ignorant reader who can at least compare two texts and see a bold similarity.
Numerous proofs of the intricate mathematics of AL based on Trigrammaton have been given over the years.
This is true, and it is an interesting unveiling.
There is one problem in the "proof" department. Proofs, in mathematics, as you assert, are indeed a demonstration that some equation can be balanced or expressed to some end.
In my book (of QBL, Lies, and The Law) balanced or expressed means the equation can be harnessed to some thoughtform, desire, or physical component(s) in order to do practical work. As a non-materialist, I will grant that said effort may not produce electricity or steam, but may only fire up the mind.
[still waiting]
The reader is surely not intended to imagine that you are saying that your various claims re numbers, and various arithmetical calculations based on those numbers, have anything at all to do with actual, real-world mathematics, or are evaluated by most actual, real-world mathematicians as anything other than occult fantasy crank-material?
Here is where simple sarcasm becomes more biting. The real-world sanity of the proclaimer is called into question.
you have a hell of nerve using the term "proofs" to describe your claims.
The sublime moment of the nitty-gritty arrives. Does it work ?
.. no one ever offered anything that can reasonably be called "data" with regard to any QBL claims whatsoever ...
There is a great misunderstanding underway. QBL is a system for ordering the mind. Every initiate must build their own QBL.
This mathematical pyramid scheme, wherein some people attempt to impose, or at least introduce, their QBL on other minds is an aberration taught to us by AC, who started with the traditional GD/Hebrew QBL, then fiddled, then proclaimed his QBL to be proof of his viewpoint - to be adopted by "all of humanity."
This is what happens when one spends too much time in the Hod Municipal Library.
Well I thought I might as well play the game.
In the first chapter of Liber MA, verse 39 reads: "The word of the Lauds is AMVNH" which is in Hebrew text and the only Hebrew characters in the document.
Firstly, AMVNH is a Hebrew word with the value of 102 and is to be found in Sepher Sephiroth where it is translated as "Trust, truth, faith". This is evidently why verse 40 begins: "Who calls us Ammonites will not be wrong, if they count the letters of the word." Incidentally, the Ammonites are a tribe or people mentioned a few times in the Old Testament; they worshipped a god named Milcom who the Israelites regarded as an abomination.
Taking the names of the letters spelled in full and using the spellings given in 777, we get a total value of 329, or 2259 if we count the final values of the Peh, Mem and Nun. Neither of these numbers are particularly enlightening. For 329, Sepher Sephiroth has TRSNI - Angel of the First Decan of Libra, and I have nothing. The nearest I can get to 2259 is in Greek with 2260 - he eikon tou theriou, "the image of the beast" from Rev.13.15. So "the rather interesting" assertion eludes me therefore.
As for the text of the book itself, reading it is is somewhat disorientating: it is as though the text of The Book of the Law had been contaminated with a word virus and had mutated strangely, as if by the whims of Enochian Leprechauns.
There is a lot of difference between proofs of mundane mathematics and the realm of what one could term "Occult Mathematics.... One does not need the consensus of mundane mathematicians to prove that which is occult or esoteric.".
Well, then, perhaps the poster you are defending should refrain from saying things like "Numerous proofs of the intricate mathematics of AL based on Trigrammaton have been given over the years [emphasis added]"?
[Y]ou obviously are not an Occultist
If, by "Occultist," you mean "credulous mush-minded sap who will believe just any old nonsense if it's tied up with an 'ESOTERIC WISDOM' bow", you are indeed correct.
I have, however, spent more than 50 years at doing what is sometimes called "the work". You obviously haven't read a lot of Crowley's work; here's a useful place for you to get started.
[A]bout the only thing you prove is that you're crotchety.
Guilty as charged.
In the first chapter of Liber MA, verse 39 reads: "The word of the Lauds is AMVNH" which is in Hebrew text and the only Hebrew characters in the document.
Correct me if i am wrong, but isn't "AMVNH" 5 characters, one short of the
six [Hebrew] letters found in Liber MA
which we are supposed to find and add up, according to the person who is definitely not the author of this text?
Apologies for the triple post: Another issue with
the six [Hebrew] letters found in Liber MA
or at least the 5 of them found in verse 39, is that the "author" of this text (who is definitely not the OP) unfortunately does not in fact speak Hebrew, and thus does not know how to spell "Ammonites" in Hebrew.
This "author" imagines that "Ammonites" begins with an "aleph" because the English word begins with an "A", as well as making several other mistakes in creating this crude transliteration, and thus gets the Hebrew spelling entirely wrong:
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5984.htm
If i was planning on fabricating an "occult" text, and planned to plant some QBL material there as "proof", i would consider maybe using a Hebrew-English dictionary, or a Bible concordance for Biblical terms.
In the first chapter of Liber MA, verse 39 reads: "The word of the Lauds is AMVNH" which is in Hebrew text and the only Hebrew characters in the document.
Well, there is also a Cheth in verse 57 of Chapter 1.
This "author" imagines that "Ammonites" begins with an "aleph" because the English word begins with an "A", as well as making several other mistakes in creating this crude transliteration, and thus gets the Hebrew spelling entirely wrong:
It is obvious that the word Ammonites and the word AMVNH are different. I suspect that "Ammonites" is a word play, as the text suggest. Biblically, they appear to be enemies of the State, the State being Israel. And with many of the tribes that inhibited the land at that time, and according to the his-story of the Bible, the invaders wiped them out possibly. This much is unclear. Like many people of the time, they followed the god Moloch ... so they must have been dirty rotten pagans. But when you can rewrite history, the truth is probably far removed from that.
Well, then, perhaps the poster you are defending should refrain from saying things like "Numerous proofs of the intricate mathematics of AL based on Trigrammaton have been given over the years [emphasis added]"?
One aspect of Mathematics is the manipulation of number. When ever you add or subtract, you do mathematics. What I don't get is that the Order of the English Alphabet and its attribution of the Trigrams of Liber Trigrammaton to the English Alphabet is officially accepted. When it comes to EQ, it seems that everyone wants to do it their way, except this one individual, who did it A.C.'s way. And here is someone who took this work of A.C., and made it into something. Instead of embracing the possibility that he may be correct, you demean, and call it delusional. His solutions of the Riddle are based on the work of A.C.
I have, however, spent more than 50 years at doing what is sometimes called "the work". You obviously haven't read a lot of Crowley's work; here's a useful place for you to get started.
I have no idea who you are, that is one thing I enjoy about this site ... its anonymity. You could be even someone with whom I have a degree of respect for, yet again, I have no clue. I know who a couple of the people are on this site. That is all. I have read a lot of A.C., including the text you quoted, over and over again. One of my favs in fact. 50 years is only a couple years on me. Yet I am silent and feel no need for the fanfare of being an AUTHOIRTY.
Well I thought I might as well play the game.
You have been in absentia for some time. Welcome back into the game. It is presently being held in the Hod arena, with potential references to The Grand Tribunal at Geburah for blasphemy, which is not a crime in the UK or the USA, and potential anger or dysfamy brewing at Yesod.
... the whims of Enochian Leprechauns.
There is a hint of them being on the loose.
transliteration
That's the Word! Do the Bird! A derived transliteration. Or a translitereated derivative. Please save these terms for The Grand Tribunal, and be prepared for an appeal to The Aeropagus of the Illuminati [8D[.
This is obviously the work of one individual with his HGA
Or perhaps a mental fabrication that imitates someone else's work of that nature. The cookie-cutter transliterated derivative nature of the work indicates this is so.
I think that the majority of so-called Thelemites are so far removed from this experience, and that such experiences cannot be quantified by any mundane science.
Yes, we often mention the sad state and lower motivation of many self-identified Thelemites on several threads. They are, of course, noy even of Man of Earth status, and they are just kidding themselves (and us).
However, it depends on where one slums. Personally, I have never met a person under "Thelemic" overtones who was not a serious seeker. But I hear about them all the time. They are mostly associated with the mundane side of the duplex.
However, setting Thelema aside, it is difficult to find anyone anywhere under any systemic banner (Thelema, Zen, Buddha, Theosophy, Masonry, etc, who has equilibrated 5=6 interior. R.A. Wilson estimated that about 5% of the pop have received a 5=6 exterior imprint.
I think that figure is high. One out of 20 people can hit Tiphareth at will, more or less? No way, I say.
Anyway, for those who do get the connection to go through, the bulkier and more complex it is in its presentation, the more likely it is to be scoffed at by mundane science. The simpler and more direct approach needs no scientific approval as it is writ in the lingo of common sense.
The present article under the microscope is extremely complex. Go figure.
One does not need the consensus of mundane mathematicians to prove that which is occult or esoteric.
No, but if they choose to publicly publish their work, and that work is based on mathematics, then ...
please apply common sense lingo
Yet, you obviously are not an Occultist
LAShTAL is not an occult site. We are not here for occultism.
You don't prove anything by insulting, about the only thing you prove is that you're crotchety.
Um, we don't put up well with egomania here.
Your condescension precedes your re-entry to obscurity ...
It is obvious that the word Ammonites and the word AMVNH are different.
This is a really, really silly claim. Read Ch. 1, v. 39-40 of Ma:
39. The word of the Lauds is אמונה
40. Who calls us Ammonites will not be wrong...
Compare the near identical text that the "author" of Ma plagiarized/parodied/pastiched in Ch. 1, v. 39-40 of AL:
39. The word of the Law is Θελημα.40. Who calls us Thelemites will do no wrong...
Note that in each case the last word of v. 39 is the word (with "-ites" added) that isn't a wrong name for "us" in v. 40?
When ever you add or subtract, you do mathematics.
Nope, when you add or subtract you are doing arithmetic, not mathematics.
[T]he Order of the English Alphabet and its attribution of the Trigrams of Liber Trigrammaton to the English Alphabet is officially accepted.
"Officially accepted" by whom please? What is the authority by which these "officials" command me? I am not a member of any orders, and claims by long-dead folks that certain Libers are "class A" do not bind me, sorry.
The fact that the Caliphorian OTO says it's "official" will tend to persuade any sensible person that this claim is wrong.
Yet I am silent and feel no need for the fanfare of being an AUTHOIRTY [sic].
Despite your forum-name meaning "i have nothing to say", this "silence" is hard to detect just now.
If the second clause of this sentence is your feeble effort at some sort of snide reference to my humble self, i don't see where i have made any claim to "AUTHOIRTY". I am however capable of thinking clearly, and detecting the smell of bivine feces in the air.
If the second clause of this sentence is your feeble effort at some sort of snide reference to my humble self, don't see where i have made any claim to "AUTHOIRTY". I am however capable of thinking clearly, and detecting the smell of bivine feces in the air.
I have no clue who you are, that remark was not towards you, truly. Perhaps my delivery and placement made it seem so, and if you took offense, I apologize for the misunderstanding.