The letter attributions AC later offered in the New Comment seem rather tentative, like undeveloped research notes, make little sense to me, and, AFAIK, AC never made any use of them.
Shiva: "He tried. He shuffled, but nothin' come of it. He wrote that his results were "unsatisfactory." ... ? ... And yet this doc is required to be run off my mouth from memory before proceeding to the next grade.
I sorted these various comments out in the 60s, and I found this to be unreasonable, and that's when the "other" Class As were removed from the curriculum. AC wasn't the only one who knew how to fiddle."
What of the Class A stuff remained in the curriculum, and why did it remain in the curriculum?
What of the Class A stuff remained in the curriculum, and why did it remain in the curriculum?
Liber AL (period). One chapter had to be recited from memory to gain the first degree. Everybody chose Ch 1, of their own volition. No other text memorization was required.
But the "other" As were not removed from the curriculum. The Requirement for their Memorization was removed. Everybody got the prescribed Liber for their grade. I personally handed out Hear Girt with a Serpent, Lapis Lazuli, Trigrammaton, etc.
When it came to the ritualistic performances, however, the maneuvers not only had to be memorized, and the words pronounced correctly, but their combination had to actually produce subjective (group) perceptive results (sometimes objective results gave us something to talk about). For example, many neo-magi start out with wimpy pentagrams and their projected astral fire wouldn't startle a jinn. To ensure proper projection, everyone attended Karate lessons (with emphasis on how to use this in a banishi8ng).
So, I divert in order to illustrate that I/we were not against memorization in general. And now the diversion gets pointed back upon The Book of Lauds ...
Dwtw
Please use the edit function to properly contextualize the posts and your response to them or vice versa. It is a bit tedious to read through them without them being 'bracketed'.
threefold31, will "... some 'enhancements' of Liber AL"?, intended by, and derived from, its "entirely possible [...] same source", as your Book of the Lauds (= Liber MA), be that "... there is little deviation from the written and typed versions [of Book of the Lauds (= Liber MA)], whereas there are lots of differences in AC’s Liber XXXI (holograph) and Liber CCXX."?
By 'enhancements' I was referring to more emphasis being put on certain things, such as pranayama, which is mentioned in Liber AL and but emphasized more in Liber MA.
And, threefold31, is it within The Aeon of Amon, that is the book which Book of the Lauds (= Liber MA) instructed you to write about its creation, or within the latter book (= Liber MA), clearly stated which numbers that are NOT to be included, (for example verse numbers and/or chapter numbers), when calculating its gematria totals?
I ask the last question, as such clarity corresponds to "... some 'enhancements' of Liber AL", with respect to calculating gematria totals.
I posted the gematria totals earlier in this thread, and made it clear what is included and what is not. Essentially, the text itself divides into three chapters, each of which has a gematria that is a multiple of the name of the god who is speaking. That in itself is quite remarkable, as even Liber AL does not encode such a feature. When the verse numbers of Liber MA (or Liber AL) are included to get the 'global sum' of the Book, other interesting things happen.
Also, threefold31, that THE [short] COMMENT at the end of your Book of the Lauds (= Liber MA), apparently is and integral part of the of its orginal text, which THE [short] COMMENT is not with respect to AC's Book of the Law in its original form, is this among "... some 'enhancements' of Liber AL"?
As for The Comment being an integral part of Liber MA, it forms the 221st verse. This gives the Liber number of The Book of the Lauds as CCXXI = 221
Writing 221 in Hebrew letter-notation would be Resh-Kaf-Alef, whose letters equal 221 in normal value, but when spelled 'in full' they are 510 + 100 + 831 = 1441 = Greek αποκρθφοσ - Apokryphos, meaning 'hidden' or 'concealed', the same meaning as the god-name Amun.
1441 = 11 * 141, where 141 = נאמן NAMN - loyal faithful, steady; a word obviously related to the root of AMN which is the word that begins Liber MA.
Litllwtw
O.L.
I was referring to more emphasis being put on certain things, such as pranayama
An excellent point to enhance. Pranayama is the "key" action to entering the balanced state.'
Yes, first one is supposed to sit still." This is correct. Then the "key" gets applied.
Posted by @threefold31 28/07/2023 7:31 pm: "By 'enhancements' I was referring to more emphasis being put on certain things, such as pranayama, which is mentioned in Liber AL [= Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law] [...] but emphasized more in Liber MA [= The Book of the Lauds, received by you @threefold31]."
[...] Posted by: @sangewanchuck56 12/06/2023 2:20 am : "In Liber AL [= Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law], there are a set of four 'ordeals' that the Fool will go through to reach higher levels of understanding of the text. In Liber MA [= The Book of the Lauds, received by you @threefold31], there are not four ordeals, but alloys to be made with the alchemical metals of the planets." [...]
Posted by: @sangewanchuck56 17/07/2023 8:34 pm : "One could approach it this way: what is in Liber AL [= Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law] is ‘settled law’ as they say. The purpose of Liber MA [= The Book of the Lauds, received by you @threefold31] is not to overthrow it, but to further the work in terms most appropriate to the MA-ION. So, for example, in Liber AL [= Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law] verse 3:63-67, the emphasis is on the Fool gaining four levels of comprehension of the Book of the Law. In Liber MA [= The Book of the Lauds, received by you @threefold31] there is no such concern; rather it gives a very specific formula of alchemy, [...]. Liber MA [= The Book of the Lauds, received by you @threefold31] certainly refers back to Liber AL [= Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law], but it is also the last of the 14 Holy Books [...] that was received [by you @threefold31], and must also be considered in light of all of them. [...] and it is in the alchemical nature of these Books that the reader will find many of the ‘practical’ applications."
With respect to the one successfully going through the third of the four 'ordeals' mentioned in his The Book of the Law, Crowley does in his The New Comment to Chater 3, verse 66 in it, state that "The logic of the Ruach – the normal intellect – is transcended in Spiritual Experience. It is, evidently, impossible to “explain” how this can be."
"... by virtue of this third ordeal wherein, passing through the abyss, [s-]he has stripped from [her or] him every rag of falsehood, [her or ] his last complexes, even [her or ] his phantasy that he called 'I'.", is what Crowley in the same comment, states with respect to the one successfully going through this ordeal.
And in his The New Comment to Chater 3, verse 67 in his The Book of the Law, Crowley, does concerning the one successfully going through the fourth ordeal mentioned in that book, state that:
"Here is no Path that he may tread, for all is equally everywhere; nor is there any sphere to attain, for measure is now no more.
There are no words to make known the Way; this only is said, that to him that hath passed through this fourth ordeal this Book is as 'ultimate sparks'. No more do they reflect or transmit the Light; they themselves are the original, the not-to-be-analysed Light, of the 'intimate fire' of Hadit! He shall see the Book as it is, as a shower of the Seed of the Stars!"
And a question concerning, "the ‘practical’ applications", derived both from the "very specific formula of alchemy", given in The Book of the Lauds received by you , and also derived from "the alchemical nature of", the 14 Holy Books preceding it, that was also received by you threefold31:
How do they correspond with successfully going through the most advanced ordeals in Crowley's The Book of the Law, described by the latter as involving trancending "The logic of [...] the normal intellect in Spiritual Experience. [which ] It is, evidently, impossible to “explain” [...]." Also described by Crowley as both as involving "no Path that [you] may tread, [...] [and no] sphere to attain, for measure is now no more." And also described by Crowley as involving "no words to make known the Way", but "... the original, the not-to-be-analysed Light, of the 'intimate fire' of Hadit!"?
Also another question concerning, "the ‘practical’ applications", derived both from the "very specific formula of alchemy", given in The Book of the Lauds received by you threefold31, and also derived from "the alchemical nature of", the 14 Holy Books preceding it, that was also received by you threefold31:
How are they (for example the "very specific formula of alchemy") 'enhancements', of Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law, which concerns itself with ordeals that at their most advanced levels, trancend the logic of the normal intelect in "Spiritual Experience, which it is, evidently, impossible to “explain”", and involve "no Path that [you] may tread, [...] [and no] sphere to attain, for measure is now no more.", and also involve "no words to make known the Way", but "... the original, the not-to-be-analysed Light, of the 'intimate fire' of Hadit!"?
You threefold31 mention "‘practical’ applications", derived both from the "very specific formula of alchemy", given in The Book of the Lauds received by you threefold31, and also derived from "the alchemical nature of", the 14 Holy Books preceding it, that was also received by you.
On a practical level threefold31, would it not make it easier for anyone so interested, to work with this "very specific formula of alchemy", if the mentioned 14 Holy Books, were all available for free, as you state that your Book of the Lauds with the mentioned formula, must also be considered in light of all of the mentioned 14 Holy Books?
On a practical level threefold31, would it not make it easier for anyone so interested, to work with this "very specific formula of alchemy", if the mentioned 14 Holy Books, were all available for free, as you state that your Book of the Lauds with the mentioned formula, must also be considered in light of all of the mentioned 14 Holy Books?
Dwtw
Liber MA is available for free on my website/blog. As for the whole corpus of 14 Holy Books, did Crowley give all his books away for free? IIRC, he sold them in copies of The Equinox. If someone is interested enough in the material, they can pay the quite reasonable price for them.
And you still haven't answered my question about exactly what kinds of "practical applications" you're interested in. So let me ask you a different question. Can you show me what "practical applications" of Thelema can be found in Liber AL vel Legis?
Litllwtw
O.L.
"The logic of the Ruach – the normal intellect – is transcended in Spiritual Experience. It is, evidently, impossible to “explain” how this can be."
The Tibetans agree. Dzogchen, The Great Perfection, has no beginning and no end [transcendence of time], it has no limit [Ain Soph], and it is impossible to explain it or properly describe it.
"He shall see the Book as it is, as a shower of the Seed of the Stars!"
To be folloed, later by The Starseed Transmissions.
Dwtw
As you can see, wrwb still has not answered my query from July 28. And it was a simple question really, meant to expose his own question as nothing but trolling.
Since he subsequently asked another question pertaining to this book in the wrong thread, which was then resuscitated by you in yet another wrong thread, I will put my reply to your resuscitation here. My reply is strictly to Norma n Joy Conquest, and not to the other person.
One needs to contextualize this idea of a 'life-master', and this can be done using the following gematria equivalents:
- Draw ye a circle! = 118 = Ammonites = The Concealed
- Mystify it! = 102 = Emunah - אמונה
- Ring it about with mastery of life! = 290 = My power on the face of the waters
- I will give you a life-master. = 217 = Master of the Temple of A∴A∴
- With it you will heal the people; the lame shall walk before you. = 440 = Think not, o king, upon that lie: That Thou Must Die
The verse in question equates the life-master with the title whose initials spell M.A.A.T, taken from Liber A'ash: "the great day of M.A.A.T., that is being interpreted the Master of the Temple of A∴ A∴, whose name is Truth".
The real A∴ A∴ is the Theban Triad of Amun-Mut-Khonsu. The Master of their Temple is M.A.A.T. She is the universal Order, that which makes things straight. As such, her power can heal the sick and make the lame walk.
The circle is a metaphorical circle of the followers of Emunah, who are technically called Emunim and are those who have an unshakeable faith in the Truth. They draw on the power of Amun to 'mystify' their circle, imbuing it with the mastery of life (rather than the enginery of war). In doing so, they are provided with MAAT, and those who have been unable to walk the Path before will be able to do so. Thereby they will truly live, for it is a lie that they must Die.
The sum of this section is 1167. This gematria equals advice from a different book:
"Divest thyself of the nonessentials
Read carefully the texts you have been given.
Decipher them with Wisdom and all will be well."
Litllwtw
O.L.
meant to expose his own question as nothing but trolling.
Oh Lord and the 13 thieves! Are we down to that level again?
@shiva I have a private question for you. If you could please email me at threefold31 at that site for yahoos 🙂