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herupakraath
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22/04/2020 10:38 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

So, how long do you actually think that "the magical effects of the Cairo Working" actually lasted for, herupakraath; when do you reckon they should have expired, then?

Weeks, perhaps months.


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23/04/2020 1:59 am  
Posted by: @herupakraath

Weeks, perhaps months.

This tallies with my observations.

 


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Jamie J Barter
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23/04/2020 9:01 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

This tallies with my observations.

As with mine, although I would have said months (perhaps years, or the years leading up to WW1 anyway).

But I'm still not clear on why you, herupakraath, think Do this quickly was an "imperative" for AC to make his Comment whilst specifically "still under the influence of the magical effects of The Cairo Working". Do you think it was therefore made invalid by eventually being written in 1925?

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23/04/2020 9:40 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

I would have said months (perhaps years, or the years leading up to WW1 anyway).

Yeah, something changed at a certain point in your estimated chronological assumption. I will reveal it, and you will be bound to agree because you already know the story.

Aleister was wandering in Wonderland from early on, up until 1912.

During this period he did the GD thing, then AL, then 418 in the desert. He published (most of vol I) The Equinox, thus destroying GD Mathers. This all moved forward in a clean line and a clear mind until Reuss walked in the door in '12.

This is where Crowley reports a kink in time, and when he recovers from this timeline shift, his interest begins to shift away from the A.'.A.'., and to become evermore focused on the OTO and Sex.

If we do the math, 1912 - 1904 = 8 years. But the buzz didn't actually wear off. It just changed its focus.


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24/04/2020 12:08 am  
Posted by: @shiva

I will reveal it, and you will be bound to agree because you already know the story.

Yes, simply bound to!

Posted by: @shiva

evermore focused on the OTO and Sex.

In the bounds of the Order

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24/04/2020 2:01 am  
Posted by: @shiva

1912 - 1904 = 8 years

Yes, so year 8 New Aeon, which I'm going to use from now on just to be pedantic and annoying. 😆 

2020, actually its 116 N.A.


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24/04/2020 6:58 am  
Posted by: @duck

2020, actually its 116 N.A.

The "official" designation is 116 A.H.

Aeonus Horus

 

Says so, somewhere, in the Scriptures.

I see no reason why you should not experiment with Aeonus Horus numbers. You might discover the Key to something. Just don't let any more viruses loose like our Frater did in the course of harking and marketing.

 


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24/04/2020 8:30 am  

Wasn't it Aera Nova? You know, Latin...


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24/04/2020 10:02 am  
Posted by: @shiva

The "official" designation is 116 A.H.

Aeonus Horus

Posted by: @azrael2393

Wasn't it Aera Nova? You know, Latin...

Point of information: according to the "O.T.O." on their website, it's An Vvi.  (And they should know!?)

There is doubtless some convoluted explanation for this thelemic dateline although the reason wasn't given.

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24/04/2020 10:30 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Point of information: according to the "O.T.O." on their website, it's An Vvi.  (And they should know!?)

Thelemic years start from March 1904. The capital V represents 5 twenty-two year periods, and the vi shows the number of years since the start of that fifth period.

Therefore: 1904 + (5 x 22) + 6 = 2020.

https://oto-usa.org/thelema/calendar/  

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24/04/2020 9:50 pm  
Posted by: @lashtal

Thelemic years start from March 1904. The capital V represents 5 twenty-two year periods, and the vi shows the number of years since the start of that fifth period.

The formula now complexifies, reminding me of most of the works of C.F. Russell.

 


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24/04/2020 10:46 pm  

Thank you Paul for the partial explanation, but I was never clear as to why the docosades (or periods of twenty-two years) which are involved in determining "Thelemic years" came to be attributed to the Tarot Trumps, assuming that was not a purely arbitrary decision, and unless I'm missing it I don't think the ("complexified"/ convoluted) explanation is dealt with on the various (c)O.T.O.'s websites linked to either.

N Joy


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26/04/2020 3:42 am  

@jamiejbarter

Dwtw

It seems more likely that the tarot Keys (I can't call them by that other name anymore 🙁

were the reason for the 22-year cycle in the first place. Such a time span doesn't correlate with anything important from an astrology perspective, but the 11-year sunspot cycle is a convenient corollary, I suppose.

So, who came up with the idea?

 

Litlluw

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26/04/2020 7:56 pm  
Posted by: @threefold31

So, who came up with the idea?

I believe AC probably came up with the idea, in that he used this system himself.  So the question is not so much "who", as "why" then the Tarot, ahem "Keys"...?

Posted by: @threefold31

Such a time span doesn't correlate with anything important from an astrology perspective, but the 11-year sunspot cycle is a convenient corollary, I suppose.

The sunspot theory is a nice corollary, but I don't think that was it: for a start there's no explanation as to waxing or waning or the doubling of the time period.  (But if so, again why?)

"Why, o why", anybody?

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26/04/2020 8:19 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

(But if so, again why?)

I looked under "Unsolved Mysteries of Ol' Fakey" and found this entry ...

WTF?

This numerates to 21, so it's close but not the exact 22 we are looking for.


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27/04/2020 4:38 am  
Posted by: @threefold31

Such a time span doesn't correlate with anything important from an astrology perspective

I guess not though it reminds me of the Chinese Horoscope where everyone has a specific animal for the year they were born in. Now everyone can calculate what Tarot "Key" they are, if I got my maths right, mine is "The Hermit", and we're now in the year of "The Lovers".

 

Posted by: @shiva

This numerates to 21, so it's close but not the exact 22 we are looking for

It looks like the whole "..the Ox and none by the Book" conundrum again, there's 22 cards but they're valued 0-21.


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