In this document, you stated that 143 is a Fibonacci number, but it is not. 144 is, and so is 89, but not 143. Its not even a Lucas Number, though 199 is.
So why would you state this in this document?
I haven't bothered to read this latest Prophetic Posting, but one wonders why a Prophet might make Prophetic Postings and then ignore the only response.
Perhaps "the Prophet 418", aka Timothy Moss, aka @herupakraath, is ignoring your rather cogent question for three days now because you failed to tag him in your post, @sermo-nihil.
I have now rectified this omission, and perhaps He will now deign to reply and explain why He says that 143 is a Fibonacci number, despite the fact that 143 is not in fact a Fibonacci number.
I would guess that the answer lies in the "Hand-grenades, Horseshoes, and Gematria" Rule, which states that "Kinda close is good enough". After all, 143 is kinda close to 144.
@ignant666 I only LIGHTLY skimmed it in the interest that there might be, just perhaps, something or anything.
You can't horseshoe this kind of thing. In Math, it either is or is not, just that simple. And if you are going to proport to be some kind of Chosen One, it would seem that a basic understanding of math would be at least a starting point. Especially when you are using Gematria. Perhaps it does not apply to him.
If he responds or does not respond, at least my question is posed for others not to waste their time.
... and then ignore the only response.
It is possible that he was, or is, distracted or involved in some situation wherein he is preoccupied. It has come to my attention that many posters are not posting at this time, maybe not even checking in, any more. tf31 is known to offer responses delayed by a week or so.
... it either is or is not ...
Yes, there are those things called direct correspondences. This is where the (= sign) comes in. I have made attempts to follow the =s, but then one comes invariably to solutions, resolutions, or conclusions that are themselves, or based on numbers, that have been rounded-off !
Since rounding-off is not =, but might be considered an = with a ~ over it, my mind begins to break down, which might be a good thing intended by this project ... and I fail to be able to make a post.
Dwtw
An interesting thesis. I have used the strategy of 'transliterating' the Yetziratic attributions from Hebrew to English letters/trigrams, or vice versa, for many years. Sometimes the results work well, other times they do not.
Where your 'translation' of these attributions fails is in the Greek section, where e.g., you substitute the letter Beta for the letter Bet, and still attribute Beta to Mercury. No system I have ever come across attributes Beta to Mercury. It is either Aries when all the letters have different categories, or Taurus, when the 24 letters are distributed 2 each to the 12 zodiac signs (Alpha is Aries, Beta is Taurus, etc.).
In this same section, you have 8 = N = Moon = Gamma = 3, but the 7 planets, when they are attributed to the Greek letters, are always given to the 7 vowels, (the thing that differentiates Greek from Hebrew in the first place). So this does not seem like a legitimate 'translation'; you are simply substituting Greek letters for Hebrew so that the two Sigmas equal 200 less than the two Shins, thus giving you 418 instead of 618. But the 'Yetziratic' attributions are not the same in the two alphabets.
As noted above, the number 143 is not a Fibonacci number. It is, however, the sum of the first 10 Fibonacci numbers: 1 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 5 + 8 + 13 + 21 + 34 + 55 = 143. The running totals of Fibonacci numbers is always 1 less than the number that is two places after the last number in the series, in this case 144. But by itself, this appearance of 143 in the Cipher, as it relates to the Fibonacci sequence, does not mean much unless you can relate it to the sum of the first 9 Fibonacci numbers (88), or the first 11 numbers (232). Since these do not appear in the calculations, it begs the question of why 143 should be important in this context.
It is true that the last two numbers of first ten Fib. numbers, 34 + 55, equal 89, which does appear in the Cipher; and one could add the first four numbers of the Cipher: 4 + 6 + 3 + 8 = 21 to get the next number down in the series. And then of course the remaining numbers of the Cipher 2 + 4 + 3 + 24 = 33 = 1 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 5 + 8 + 13. But why this should matter is a question that does not directly pertain to the argument you're making. It does suggest using the (actual) Fibonacci number, 89 as a starting point, and working forwards through the glyphs of the Cipher, to conclude at the number 24.
As an experiment, if we do this with TQ values, and split the Cipher in half, we get:
89-R-P-S-T-O-V-A-L- 4-6-3-8-A = 195 in TQ
B-K-2-4-A-L-G-M-O-R-3-Y-X-24 = 156 in TQ
Each half of the Cipher, in this experiment, includes numbers that sum (89 +21) on the top row and (33) on the bottom row, thus matching the sums of the 10th and 9th Fibonacci numbers (89), then the 8th (21), then the first 7 Fib. numbers (33). I'm not sure why this would matter, but it does point to an interesting congruence with the trigrams.
Of the 27 trigrams in Liber XXVII, the first 19 trigrams (the elements and zodiac signs) total 195 in base 3, while the last 8 (the I Ching/planetary trigrams) sum 156. This means that the Cipher can be split in half to align exactly with the sums of the categories determined by the structure of the 27 trigrams themselves. Treating the Cipher as a cycle of 28 elements, wherever you split it in half will give different results; this particular arrangement at least has a resonance with the Fibonacci series.
Litllwtw
O.L.
threefold31: "As an experiment, if we do this with TQ values, and split the Cipher in half, we get:
89-R-P-S-T-O-V-A-L- 4-6-3-8-A = 195 in TQ
B-K-2-4-A-L-G-M-O-R-3-Y-X-24 = 156 in TQ"
What does TQ stand for, and why should anyone care about this TQ?
What does TQ stand for, and why should anyone care about this TQ?
You could have searched Google easily enough, which would have sated your curiousity:
"Another system of English Qabalah known as Trigrammaton Qabalahn (TQ) was proposed by R. Leo Gillis around 1988, and published on his website, Trigrammaton.com, starting in 1998, and subsequently released as an eBook. This system is based on one of the Holy Books of Thelema written by Aleister Crowley in 1907, called Liber Trigrammaton, sub figura XXVII -- Being the Book of the Mutations of the Tao with the Yin and the Yang. Liber Trigrammaton (aka Liber XXVII) was called by Crowley 'the ultimate foundation of the highest theoretical qabalah' "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Qabalah
As to why anyone should care about "this TQ", well the good news is that you don't need to care if you don't want to; threefold31 was merely providing information for those interested. On the other hand, if you simply want to join in with the current sport here of sneering at gematria, then be my guest.
You could have searched Google easily enough ...
... but some folks are boycotting the G and the YT. However, the same results can be found by using a non-tracking, ad-free browser, which I just did (to allow this post in case I was wrong).
sneering at gematria,
It is only sneerable when it proposes to interpret things that are suprarational. It is valuable for ordering the mind. Sneerabilty comes in with rounding off, and other fiddles that allow for inequality to become an equal [=] sign.
yes but there are secret texts devoted just to rounding off and the arts therein, for it is said that there are sects that only round off to an even number others are odd, some will apply such arts to whole numbers; thus to take an even number and round off to the convenient odd number, as the same is true with the odds who will round and odd to the convenient even number of choice....
This of course is but the beginning of the inanities....for it is said that the universe is round and likes a rounding off and thus anything to keep things going around rather than to hit the brick wall, thus these advanced rounding practices are encouraged and are claimed in prophetic text that if such rounding did not happen then we would hit a brick wall in space, for those there is an assumption that the only reason to round off, is to do just that, round it off, rather than the other taking place...
Of course this takes place is various devotees minds, and thus are of the mind, where all of the rounding off is seen as an attempt to stave off calcification, should one not round off and thus hit the not round an impact zone that makes for a spectacular bounce, but helmets are not required as there seems to be an certain implosive capability to which differentiation between madness and insanity might well find some spiritual glimmer or was it the glamor....
So has anyone made the put on the 76'th hole yet! I thought it was simple....like looking at one of those super fractal cosmic cauliflower's from the garden...
here are secret texts devoted just to rounding off
"secret texts"
A hunert years ago, this term would be mind-catching. Tody, it's a joke. You were joking, in order to avoid the trance of sorrow, right?
I round off all the time when feeding the dogs or myself. And when putting gas in the carriage. But in QBL, it's a sin. All have sinned - and fallen short ...
That's why we're still here. If we made the perfect equation, we'd be gotten out.
Of course this takes place is various devotees minds, and thus are of the mind,
Yes. Which is why an occasional call for practical application is announced ... I have no problem with sacred geometry and its universality. A guy once said that things are relative according to mass and the speed of Ra's light. "E equals MC-squared," he uttered. So what?
A few decades later (not many), a flas-bang went off in Ded Man's Journey (1945) ...
"On July 16, 1945, the "Gadget" nuclear device exploded at 5:29:45 a.m. over the New Mexico desert, releasing 18.6 kilotons of power, instantly vaporizing the tower and turning the surrounding asphalt and sand into green glass. The blast sent searing heat across the desert and knocked observers to the ground."
This is an example (on a large scale) of practical application. It demonstrates how abstract mental thoughtforms can be expressed and manifested. Anybody still left around here will easily accept practical applications of a much lesser magnitude. Why, anything at all will do.
I was joking as sometimes humor is a means of making a point, but the fact that you asked whether I was joking means that there is a sliver of belief that would seem to be needing rounded off, which requires, work, practice or maybe just magic...poof its gone...just like pressing the button on the bomb and not knowing how it came to be.
Of course we are dealing with arts of an oral tradition, that are said to have been written down, and may well have been written down, as my outline of a basic cosmological battle goes to the crux of the matter perhaps...but people can entertain the most outlandish...And who knows what has been written say in the rabbinical corpus' or be it the burnt libraries of antiquity...and why who knows what might pop up as a new topic...but you are right, a hundred years ago one could gas light to the clouds...now its all in the cloud...
At that I will thank @herupakrath for the latest offering, to which I do find an elegance in the tree with paths and attributions, and having t think about the correspondences between the English and Hebrew that do not make sense.
What interests me is this revelation from the counting program is that x is the 24th most used letter in the Book of the Law. Now certainly II.76 is replete with 2 and 4, together or the result of multiplication, which of course is the x sign...And corresponding to my work on the subject I will say that the equivalence of x to 24 is found not by counting proofs, but rather to a primal geometry of the letter X: If we take two lines: l & l and cross them we get X, and this equation is thus 2 (l & l) transforms to 4, and 4 is an x, as x is composed of these 2 that then point to 4 points or 4 spaces, thus the overt display 24 and 2 4 demonstrates a certain formula (means of transformation in thought) that is thus demonstrated by simple means.... to which one can continue the operation and thus the resultant two 4ours found in the x, by combining them, gives us 8, and also one in eight if we want to follow that caboose... and all through the (2 and 4, 24, l l into X interplay...found in the numbers and words, to which X can be substituted as a pronunciation of the letter rather than a number, and the pronunciation of X is a whole other subject...have fun!
So I thank you for the essay, to which one of the litmus tests of such offerings is how it might help establish creative work or barking up the wrong tree....so yes thanks, and rather than pondering, for again I believe that it is written that the solution would be simple and profound....but this might help the expounding of....or not even... and thus to round this off~
Well
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HG
but the fact that you asked whether I was joking means that there is a sliver of belief that would seem to be needing rounded off
Microscopic variances in anything need to be rounded off. For example, voting for or against a dog-welfare state is decided by which faction gets the most votes, and the winner is rounded off to 100%, and then everybody has to pay for the support of all dogs, whether they like it or not.
Anyway, the interrogatory regarding joviality referred to "secret docs" (of any kind), not rounding-off, which is a sin, under certain circumstances.
"On July 16, 1945, the "Gadget" nuclear device exploded at 5:29:45 a.m. over the New Mexico desert, releasing 18.6 kilotons of power, instantly vaporizing the tower and turning the surrounding asphalt and sand into green glass. The blast sent searing heat across the desert and knocked observers to the ground."
Dwtw
Indeed, then over Hiroshima a different version of the bomb was deployed, using Uranium-235, which is fissile because it has exactly 143 neutrons. No rounding 😉
Litllwtw
O.L.
In the QBL of Nine. 1+4+3 = 8. No reducing required. This is the number of prosperity (fruiting of the tree) and is mentioned ion the 8, 80, 418 line.
In this document, you stated that 143 is a Fibonacci number, but it is not. 144 is, and so is 89, but not 143. Its not even a Lucas Number, though 199 is.
So why would you state this in this document?
It was an editing mistake. The sentence was meant to be applied to the number 89, but in the course of editing the paragraph the sentence was displaced: it has since been deleted from the file.
If he responds or does not respond, at least my question is posed for others not to waste their time.
If a simple mistake dictates such choices on your part, you must live in a perfect world.
Where your 'translation' of these attributions fails is in the Greek section, where e.g., you substitute the letter Beta for the letter Bet, and still attribute Beta to Mercury. No system I have ever come across attributes Beta to Mercury. It is either Aries when all the letters have different categories, or Taurus, when the 24 letters are distributed 2 each to the 12 zodiac signs (Alpha is Aries, Beta is Taurus, etc.).
The letters Beta and Beth occupy the same positions within their respective alphabets, and have similar names, both of which provide the qualities needed to substitute one letter for another within a substitution scheme.
In this same section, you have 8 = N = Moon = Gamma = 3, but the 7 planets, when they are attributed to the Greek letters, are always given to the 7 vowels,
The letter N equates with the Moon in the Tri-key, as does the letter Gimel in the Qabalah: from there Gimel is transposed into Gamma based on the obvious similarities between the two letters.
It was an editing mistake. The sentence was meant to be applied to the number 89, but in the course of editing the paragraph the sentence was displaced: it has since been deleted from the file.
This does not seem to make sense. And it sure took you a very long time to come up with that not-very-convincing explanation for your error.
There is no mention at all of Fibonacci numbers in the revised document.
How then are we to believe that the (now-memory-holed) reference to 143 as a Fibonacci number was intended to be a reference to 89 being a Fibonacci number, when there is now no mention of Fibonacci numbers at all? This just isn't plausible.
Also amusing that the sentence "was displaced" and "has since been deleted"- apparently in each case without you doing anything at all- you are apparently just a passive observer to these edits made to your Prophecy!
If a simple mistake dictates such choices on your part, you must live in a perfect world.
When you claim to be a "Prophet", you are expected to not make "simple mistakes". When you make "simple mistakes", folks are inclined to doubt that you are, in fact, a "Prophet".
If a simple mistake ...
How about six ? Or 8 or ten ? In writing books, I now tend to go over each little section while proofing and adjusting pictures ... so they are pretty clean when I send them to my wife, the proof-reader. She then finds no less than six errors in a 24-page doc.
The editor at Teitan Press told me, "It doesn't matter how well one proofs them, typos will get through !"
There is no mention at all of Fibonacci numbers in the revised document.
We recently (in the past week) shifted onto a different timeline. All is not as if it ever was. People are being lifted up and cast down (onto and from) high places ... and low.
We are witnessing the History of Everything being re-written, and this is a fine example, laid out right here on LAShTAL. And it took a lot of time because a lot of people were stunned by the Lion's Gate configuration of the past week (a week of Sirius-Sol conjunction).
On a more practical note, the accused has stated something about the offending, garbled sentence being deleted. A chain-reaction then apparently deleted all the Fibonaccis ...
Also amusing that the sentence "was displaced" and "has since been deleted"- apparently in each case without you doing anything at all-
This is an example of practical Magick, which is the type of thing I have been calling for.
When you make "simple mistakes", folks are inclined to doubt that you are, in fact, a "Prophet".
This, apparently, is the bottom-line result in the practical hard world.
In this same section, you have 8 = N = Moon = Gamma = 3, but the 7 planets, when they are attributed to the Greek letters, are always given to the 7 vowels, (the thing that differentiates Greek from Hebrew in the first place).
The Tri-key is not Qabalah, and requires no considerations in regard to it. The only connection between the Tri-key and the Hebrew alphabet is the Tri-key also has the planets, elements, and Zodiacal signs assigned to the letters, making it possible to transpose English letters into Hebrew and vice-versa, the significance of which has been demonstrated.
So this does not seem like a legitimate 'translation';
The legitimacy is demonstrated with the success achieved. You have speculated on both my motives and actions, so I'll be more specific on how the concept emerged.
In pondering the Coph Nia cipher, I came to the conclusion it consists of English letters based on the ambiguous qualities of the letter C when treated as a Greek or Hebrew letter. In exploring ways to analyze the cipher using English gematria, it occurred to me to transpose the letters into the ideas they represent within the Tri-key, and enumerate the words with English gematria:
C: Sagittarius = 80
O: Fire = 30
P: Capricorn = 97
H: Mercury = 78
N: Moon = 28
I: Gemini = 56
A: Venus = 49
80 + 30 + 97 + 78 + 28 + 56 + 49 = 418
For the name of force of the Double Wand of Power to equal 418 is demonstrably profound based on the meaning Crowley attributes to the number. The method used to arrive at the number is alien to traditional Qabalah, given the huge gematria sums that would result from using the method with Hebrew or Greek gematria, essentially making the technique a new one. The finding was made around ten years ago, and at the same time I calculated the value of my name using the same method:
T: Aries = 28
I: Gemini = 56
M: Air = 21
O: Fire = 30
T: Aries = 28
H: Mercury = 78
Y: Mars = 34
M: Air = 21
O: Fire = 30
S: Taurus = 46
S: Taurus = 46
28 + 56 + 21 + 30 + 28 + 78 + 34 + 21 + 30 + 46 + 46 = 418
Having my name equal 418 evokes this statement made in verse III:47 of Liber Legis:
And Abrahadabra. It shall be his child & that strangely.
Despite the significance of my name equaling 418, I was convinced there has to be a way to make Abrahadabra itself equal my name, or in some way identify me. Early this year while pondering the subject, it seemed logical to take the conversion process even further, by taking the ideas associated with the English letters, and converting them into Hebrew letters using common ideas shared between the letters of each alphabet. When Abrahadabra is treated as an English spelling, and converted into Hebrew letters, the Hebrew gematria sum is 87, as is the word when treated as Hebrew letters and converted into English. 87 is the English gematria value of Key of it all, and Timothy D. Moss.
you are simply substituting Greek letters for Hebrew so that the two Sigmas equal 200 less than the two Shins, thus giving you 418 instead of 618.
You conveniently ignore that the numbers in the puzzle are converted into the letters of the three alphabets: there is no way to cheat. You have tried to argue that Beth has no correlation with Beta, Gimel no correlation with Gamma, and Shin no connection with Sigma, when the links between the letters are obvious. I wrote the software that makes the letter conversions with no preconceptions or objectives in mind.
The Tri-key is not Qabalah, and requires no considerations in regard to it. The only connection between the Tri-key and the Hebrew alphabet is the Tri-key also has the planets, elements, and Zodiacal signs assigned to the letters, making it possible to transpose English letters into Hebrew and vice-versa, the significance of which has been demonstrate
Thanks for this explanation, it helps clarify the complex. Perhaps you have written about how you came up with the English letters with elements, planets and zodiac?
the significance of which has been demonstrated.
demonstrably profound
The finding
!!!!!!!!
Why is it, would you guess, that despite all this "demonstration" of "demonstrably profound" "findings", literally zero persons not named "Timothy D. Moss" are persuaded that you have found the "Key of it all"?
And since no moss gathers on a rolling stone....the jury may be out to lunch, plus the petitioners thesis seems to be making conclusory statements, and has made an amended thesis without proper notice to the court.
Furthermore, proper names, presumably registered with the government, do not seem to fit the criteria of that which the prophet was never to know... but Timothy is one of the Gospels of the New Testament, and moss, while not archetypal, is ubiquitous to the planet that appears not to be rolling, and the letter D is a chanted ubiquitously at sporting events across America...and while the Book of the Law is given primarily in English, proper names not found in the book, except by the said "Tri-Key" it, the Tri-key, is trying to try to deny that a proper name does not need translation into something other than a sir name of a particular flesh and blood person, rather than something more archetypal or fantastic, like a second coming in the fleshy flesh.
Thus excuse the cursing heard in the back of the court....Jesus D. Christ!
Of course in these masonic gestures, of unveiling secrets publicly in this forum which is not a shrine, (though in consideration of the state of Thelema post Solar Lodge), one might remember that the parable of the stone that the builder's rejected as having some significance, though mentioning the parable is not either an endorsement by analogy or a declaratory judgment one way or the other.
Thus your objection is noted on the record, and as it has been read.... procedure... or the stone... carries ON....
... has made an amended thesis without proper notice to the court.
Is this The Grand Tribunal (VI*)or The Supreme Grand Council (VII*) court/jury/lunch to which you refer?
I use clandestine masocic emblems as a point of reference.
Or is it some "higher" court, like the oho himself (no woman ever even considered), who may say, "Oho!" and then exercise his infallible dictatorship to decide the anser?
I bring up this tedium because what is being discussed here ?
Is this a Thesis proper to Chesed 7*=4*, or is it a Class A doc issued out of Chokmah 9*=2* ?
Class As are not allowed the comfort of re-writing. A Thesis must be accepted by at least one follower, otherwise the author cannot be accepted as The Leader of a School of Thought. There is a confusion of the planes here, involving the concepts of prophet, thesis, document imprimatur, and source code.
If these matters could be sorted out, then some progress might be made.
Thus excuse the cursing heard in the back of the court....Jesus D. Christ!
This, along with the giggles, is caused by the giddiness introduced by mixing, confusing, or substituting the planes. What is needed is a simple Introduction, similat to the O.M. epistle inserted prior to some copis of AL.
Of course in these masonic gestures, of unveiling secrets publicly in this forum which is not a shrine
The Tribunal, or whatever, will decide the criminality factor.
one might remember that the parable of the stone the builder's rejected as having some significance, though mentioning the parable is not either an endorsement by analogy or a declaratory judgment one way or the other.
Yes. Very complicated, but perfect neutrality.
carries ON....
The Heliopolis Hotel awaits the neutralized.
In this same section, you have 8 = N = Moon = Gamma = 3, but the 7 planets, when they are attributed to the Greek letters, are always given to the 7 vowels, (the thing that differentiates Greek from Hebrew in the first place).
The Tri-key is not Qabalah, and requires no considerations in regard to it. The only connection between the Tri-key and the Hebrew alphabet is the Tri-key also has the planets, elements, and Zodiacal signs assigned to the letters, making it possible to transpose English letters into Hebrew and vice-versa, the significance of which has been demonstrated.
This is quite the claim. The Tri-key is NOT qabalah, but you will use the Yetziratic attributions from the Hebrew kabbalah to prove your claim, then make up your own attributions to the Greek alphabet, none of which have any grounding in the tradition. So on that point you're correct, you're not doing qabalah, you're just making things up. Yet you're claiming that because the Hebrew letter has a cabalistic attribute, that it then transfers to the Greek. This is just ridiculous. You're justifying a claim made about your own Tri-Key attributions (which are NOT qabalah) by using Hebrew kabbalah, and then inventing your own Greek attributions to substantiate your claim. You are in effect making up two categories of letter-attributions, English and Greek, and linking them with Hebrew, (but you do NOT consider this doing qabalah).
So this does not seem like a legitimate 'translation';
The legitimacy is demonstrated with the success achieved.
No, that's the Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
Having my name equal 418 evokes this statement made in verse III:47 of Liber Legis:Your obsession with finding your name in Liber AL never wavers, does it?And Abrahadabra. It shall be his child & that strangely.
Despite the significance of my name equaling 418, I was convinced there has to be a way to make Abrahadabra itself equal my name, or in some way identify me.
You are simply substituting Greek letters for Hebrew so that the two Sigmas equal 200 less than the two Shins, thus giving you 418 instead of 618.
You conveniently ignore that the numbers in the puzzle are converted into the letters of the three alphabets: there is no way to cheat. You have tried to argue that Beth has no correlation with Beta, Gimel no correlation with Gamma, and Shin no connection with Sigma, when the links between the letters are obvious.
No, I am not ignoring the conversions at all. I'm pointing out their weakness, that Gimel and Gamma do not share the same Yetziratic attributions in any traditional system. They are only similar in terms of phonetics. You are using this method solely because it gives you the 418 result you wanted ahead of time. If phonetics were that important, then why isn't the English letter G - which is clearly derived from Gamma, and Gimel - not given the same attribution of the Moon as the other two are? You want to have it both ways and that makes the claim illegitimate. You are using two different yardsticks.
Litllwtw
O.L.
You are in effect making up two categories of letter-attributions, English and Greek, and linking them with Hebrew, (but you do NOT consider this doing qabalah).
There is Standard Thelemic Qabalah (SThQ), as presented by Perdurabo. Then there is FThQ), presented mostly by Therion who used truth and illusion without distinction, which is like SThQ except it involves fiddling and sometimes make-ups, resulting in words like BafometR.
So make-up and violining have a precedent, which may be considered as AC "ridding himself of his accidents," and it leads to assorted modifications, mutilations, and multiplicities.
A euphemism for masturbation, though not widely used is, fiddling...often such fiddling is accompanied by imagery of a wish fulfillment nature, an object of desire, presumably a living and breathing object and thus a subject of desire...whom may not want to be the subject of such fiddling...
Now you say
So make-up and violining have a precedent, which may be considered as AC "ridding himself of his accidents,"
Now what accidents was AC trying to rid himself of through fiddling, or am I just confused and we are just talking about music here and maybe the arts of improvisation, that are not written down?
Now what accidents was AC trying to rid himself of through fiddling, or am I just confused and we are just talking about music here and maybe the arts of ...
Confusion, yah, yah, yeah! Just talkin', nah nah, nyah!
Perdurabo described some Chapter (in 333 ?) as being a metaphor of The Path as being "a man ridding himself of his accidents," which is a clever way to image karma.
Now, AC was uneasy about the true spelling of Baphomet, which then-currently did not fit his QBL. So he cogitated upon it and, flash-bang, an "R" (of course!) rounded out the number he was seeking, and so he R got tacked-on to the end and BafometR became the "true" spelling of the Goat/Man.
AC thus put his mind to rest on the matter, thus balancing one piece of karma, thus ridding himself of one accident.
It should be noted that this made-up addition (not even a substitution), which is possibly the biggest joke in the QBL of any lingo, is a precedent that allows candidates to do all manner of numbered letters tricks.
I personally support all efforts to develop a working English QBL, even if I sometimes make jokes in this area. The Hebrew, Greek, and Arabic stuff is currently too foreign to warrant my opinion. The grams from the I Ching (Yi King, Cantonese) are too cool and revealing of East/West mind-bridging to ignore.
I hope this (the above mono-logy) explains my esoteric references, not brought a bit more into the exoteric light, which is darkess, so go figure.
that are not written down?
Ihave cited my written-down refs and quotas, without direct links to the original sources as my brain is not yet neuro-linked to the AC Liber-ary, said links being unnecessary as everyone has read these matters, even if they can't remember where, including yourself.
Sorry to be so abstract in my presentation, but this is The Golden CifeR thread, and sometimes the linkages are way out there.
Thanks for this explanation, it helps clarify the complex. Perhaps you have written about how you came up with the English letters with elements, planets and zodiac?
I was aware that Pluto had been demoted as a planet in 2007, leaving a total of 26 cosmological ideas that could be assigned to the letters of the English alphabet. While considering verse II:16 of Liber Legis, I am The Empress & the Hierophant. Thus eleven, as my bride is eleven, and knowing the Qabalistic values assigned to the cards can't equal eleven, I concluded the statement utilizes an unknown magical alphabet. Within the Qabalah, the Empress is Venus, and the Hierophant Taurus. Astrologically, Venus is the ruler of Taurus, providing a possible clue as to how the alphabet might be constructed. By assigning Venus a value of 5, and Taurus a value of 6, and using other planetary rulerships as a construction criterion, the arrangement started taking shape. The pairs of planets and signs are arranged in a meaningful pattern, by incorporating the order of the planets from the Sun, and the traditional order of the Zodiacal signs. The four classical elements are paired with the cardinal signs of the Zodiac:
1. Sun: exalted in Aries
2. Aries: first sign of the Zodiac, and the cardinal sign of Fire
3. Fire: follows the cardinal fire sign.
4. Mercury: first planet from the Sun
5. Venus: second planet, rules Taurus
6. Taurus: second sign of the Zodiac
7. Gemini: third sign of the Zodiac
8. Moon: rules Cancer
9. Cancer: fourth sign, and cardinal sign of Water
10. Water: follows the cardinal water sign
11. Leo: the fifth sign
12. Virgo: the sixth sign
13. Libra: the seventh sign, and the cardinal sign of Air
14. Air: follows the cardinal air sign
15. Mars: the third planet, rules Scorpio
16. Scorpio: the eighth sign
17. Jupiter: the fourth planet, rules Sagittarius
18. Sagittarius, the ninth sign
19. Saturn: the fifth planet, rules Capricorn
20. Capricorn: the tenth sign, and the cardinal sign of Earth
21. Earth: follows the the cardinal earth sign
22. Uranus: the sixth planet, rules Aquarius
23: Aquarius: the eleventh sign
24. Neptune: the seventh planet, rules Pisces
25. Pisces: the twelfth sign
26 Spirit: default position.
I was aware that Pluto had been demoted as a planet in 2007
Interesting criterion.
If scientific views of "what is a 'planet'?" matter, how on earth can you justify including the Sun, and the Moon, as "planets", when they are not in fact "planets", except in astrology?
Also, if science matters, why is the planet Earth not at number 15, being "the [actual] third planet", since Mars is actually the fourth planet from the Sun, and not the third planet from the Sun, as you mistakenly say?
But ignoring those howlers, your system assigns planets, elements and zodiac signs willy-nilly, with no apparent logic or system, and certainly it is a stretch to call this "a meaningful pattern":
1. "Planet"
2. Zodiac sign
3. Element
4. Planet
5. Planet
6. Zodiac sign
7. Zodiac sign
8. "Planet"
9. Zodiac sign
10. Element
11. Zodiac sign
12. Zodiac sign
13. Zodiac sign
14. Element
15. Planet (but not the right one)
16. Zodiac sign
17. Planet
18. Zodiac sign
19. Planet
20. Zodiac sign
21. Element
22. Planet
23: Zodiac sign
24. Planet
25. Zodiac sign
26 Element
What what you have come up with is quite elegant in its simplicity, as though things just fell into place, to which relative to the verse in question, and its own riddle, is found in the fact that the ordering finds Leo at eleven, and thus on one level appropriate as AC's wedding to Rose, the Seer, Ouarda, in August, but also more archetypal is the correspondence to the New Aeon arrangement of the Tarot Trumps, for eleven, Atu XI, Lust, and thus Babylon, the consort of the Beast!
I should not forget to add that in the placement of the Empres/ Venus at 5 is appropriate considering the Venusian Pentagram!
Congratulations and thanks for sharing this intriguing discovery!
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how on earth can you justify including the Sun, and the Moon, as "planets"
"The word 'planet' has multiple origins and meanings.1 The Greek word 'plantai' means 'wandering stars' and referred to the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.0 The term 'planet' originally meant any star that wandered across the sky, including comets and the Sun and Moon. With the Copernican revolution, the Earth was recognized as a planet, and the Sun was seen to be fundamentally different. The Galilean satellites of Jupiter were at first called planets, but later reclassified along with the Moon.2 The word 'planet' has historically had religious associations, and these connections persist in the schemes for naming newly discovered Solar System bodies."
Anciently, if it moved, it was a plane-et (the solar elliptical plane). If it stayed put, in relation to the background panorama, it was a fixed star.
Almost all the problems and misunderstandings in the trending threads involve confusion of the planes or out of context issues. In this case, the quote describes 3 contextia (Greek, Copernicus, and Galileo), and anyone can easily add two more:
1. Pre-Greek (simple wonder)
2. Contemporary (highly subjective).
It is highly subjective human twits who currently decide what a "planet" is, apparently. Never mind that the Greek twits were also human. . Pluto was "downgraded" (what an esoteric joke that was) because it wasn't big enough. This only grazes the subjective, but practical, definition of Pluto ...
Pluto = the 10th (in the supracoronal triad) chakra
Look at it and it is not there
Look way and it is there
The Monad ("string" in modern science) has no dimension, no height, no width, no depth, yet ... it oscillates in ten dimensions. Ponder that.
So it seems that our peripheral esoteric inner vision can sense, perceive, and see the Monad, but to swing our direct exoteric outer eye circuits into focus, the Monad disappears. This is one excuse for why the mysteries of Kether cannot be explained, and why the twits are confused as to Pluto's planetary status or demotion.
Note that this complex singularity is directly associated with Hadit, Aiwass, the Point, and Ra-Hoor-Khuit (Re-Herakhty), who is said to be sitting there upon The Seat in the East as we speak or type with the potential Apocalypse ("revelation") around him, and The Rider on the White Horse - plus a few others. Stir gently, pour out the elixir, take a sip. See? Nothing.
The practical application of this exercise is that it can be used to confirm (or deny) that one is looking at Kether ("face-to-face" so to speak/type). If one catches a glimmer overhead and then they look directly at it and it gets brighter, then one is looking at Chokmah, which is a pretty decent feat to manifest.
elegant in its simplicity
I am a Solar and Mercurial Virgo. In the outer arena,m they used to pay me a reasonable salary for dealing with the government-money-educational interface; it doesn't get much more complex than that, unless one gets into shell corporations in the Caribbean and money-laundromating. As a wandering monk, I am well aware of the concept of simple-i-city.
Although I was able to easily grasp the overall endeavor, the details were mind-boggling due to the mixed interface(s) [the data], and the specific attributions are each questionable by devious minds that are on the lookout for intellectually fabricated vehicles of the lesser eight.
All my prudish Virgo observations remain open to review in the face of presented practical applications.
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Fascinating, I am reminded that some people are quite adept at navigating the nested bureaucratic ant farm and others machinations of logical minds outlining little mazes intended ultimately to entail dues relative to commercial transactions purposes at equity...
Occultism does have its own Byzantine fascinations, whose glamor and courting play involving chivalistic motivations to which a certain dross might be burned away and is a filtering process as much as what might need to do to get a government grant or that in the private sector...
Thus astrology can be such a system, that some people seem to just get, and in getting, proclivities in this regard easier studying, that from such work takes the tide of knowledge much further.
Upon that digression, the elegance of simplicity does not take away the fact that new attributions, with untested practical applications, or not, can serve as a nesting ground for a totally unknown flower to bloom from a new arrangement of the known elements.
The case in point example might be Achad's flipping things around and then spinning the tree into a spinning 3-D snowflake *...
And here we have also been given by @Herupakraath a new snowflake, though no two snowflakes are alike, there are some underlying vectors...
thus
* which on the keyboard is connected to 8 below it!
This is quite the claim. The Tri-key is NOT qabalah, but you will use the Yetziratic attributions from the Hebrew kabbalah to prove your claim, then make up your own attributions to the Greek alphabet, none of which have any grounding in the tradition
That you can suddenly wave the banner of tradition while relying on unique methods to arrive at the results you do, suggests a double-standard at work.
This is the truth of what the substitution key represents magically. It has been demonstrated that any idea can be placed on the Tree of Life. If someone wanted to place the Tri-key alphabet on the Tree, one way to do so consists of matching English letters with Hebrew letters that correlate to the same idea. No one can argue against process as a function of the Qabalah. What I have done is used the same exact technique, but in reverse, by placing the Hebrew letters on the Zodiacal Array, making the Tri-key not an instrument of the Qabalah, but instead, a system of reverse-Qabalah, which includes a reversal of the magical current.
So on that point you're correct, you're not doing qabalah, you're just making things up.
Your statement is demonstrably false. I have already explained the logic involved in transposing English letters into Hebrew and vice-versa. When it came to including the Greek alphabet, substituting Hebrew letters into Greek is the simplest way. There are only two ways I know to do so, either phonetically or conceptually. Using phonetics is obviously riddled with subjective choices that complicate the process. I opted to use the easiest, most superficial method, a rough correlation between letter names, which incorporates acrophonic similarities between letter sounds and names. There were five letters that had to be correlated phonetically, but with zero evidence of having applied a method that produces preconceived results:
Aleph - Alpha
Beth - Beta
Gimel - Gamma
Daleth - Delta
Heh - Epsilon (phonetic)
Vav - Digamma (phonetic)
Zain - Zeta
Cheth - Chi
Teth - Tau
Yod - Iota (phonetic)
Kaph - Koppa
Lamed - Lambda
Mem - Mu
Nun - Nu
Samech - Sigma
Ayin - Omnicron (phonetic)
Peh - Pi
Qoph - Koppa (phonetic)
Resh - Rho
Shin - Sigma
Tav - Tau
a double-standard
Double Standards (DS = 64) are the "normal state." That is, if we are living in a dual world, we are going to get a constant reference to parallel or collateral paradigms (standards). Themically wool-gathering, a few examples might include ...
0=2
Hail, ye twin warriors
There is a division hither homeward
BafometR
Kings of the Earth vs The Low Men
Other such dual viewpoint are easily conjured.
to place the Tri-key alphabet on the Tree, one way to do so consists of matching English letters with Hebrew letters that correlate to the same idea.
I would agree with this procedure, and I encourage all efforts to move the entire trainload into English.
No one can argue against process as a function of the Qabalah.
I'm sure there is someone who would (will?) dispute that claim.
What I have done is used the same exact technique, but in reverse, by placing the Hebrew letters on the Zodiacal Array, making the Tri-key not an instrument of the Qabalah, but instead, a system of reverse-Qabalah, which includes a reversal of the magical current.
Now the narrative moves into the dangerous territory of Achad-land ... or is it Achadtopia? He was my hero in my youth, certainly not Perdurabo. But P.'.'s Libers are still more practical.
It would be beneficial if the phrase, "the same exact technique, but in reverse, by placing the Hebrew letters on the Zodiacal Array," were to be explained further.
That is, for one facet, why would one wish to reverse the (a, any) current?
Nature offers a continual reversal of currents, large and small.
substituting Hebrew letters into Greek
Violation. Off-topic (from the procedure) deviation. The process is Heb to Eng. Why are Greek deviants introduced?
There are only two ways I know to do so ...
And so we end where we began, withe 64 DS.
There are 64 hexagrams in the I Ching.
I suppose that the standard between Greek and Hebrew was the Septuagint.
The dawn of Thelema has brought new means of approaching such questions through arrangements more conducive to the complexions of the new aeon.
This is quite the claim. The Tri-key is NOT qabalah, but you will use the Yetziratic attributions from the Hebrew kabbalah to prove your claim, then make up your own attributions to the Greek alphabet, none of which have any grounding in the tradition
That you can suddenly wave the banner of tradition while relying on unique methods to arrive at the results you do, suggests a double-standard at work.
Dwtw
I use some unique methods because I work within the new paradigm of the Now Aeon, which is base 3. Anyone working in the base-10, decimal system is using the paradigm of the Past Aeon. But despite some newer methods, I still incorporate the planets and signs, because they endure from one Aeon to the Next.
I notice you accuse me of a double standard, but do not deny that you are making up your own attributions to the Greek alphabet.
... If someone wanted to place the Tri-key alphabet on the Tree, one way to do so consists of matching English letters with Hebrew letters that correlate to the same idea. No one can argue against process as a function of the Qabalah. What I have done is used the same exact technique, but in reverse, by placing the Hebrew letters on the Zodiacal Array...
My issue is not with this technique, which as I said I have used myself for years with varying results. My issue is that you use an entirely different technique for the English-to-Greek translation, but relying on the same attributions from Hebrew, which do not actually apply to Greek, unless you just make them up.
So on that point you're correct, you're not doing qabalah, you're just making things up.
Your statement is demonstrably false. I have already explained the logic involved in transposing English letters into Hebrew and vice-versa. When it came to including the Greek alphabet, substituting Hebrew letters into Greek is the simplest way. There are only two ways I know to do so, either phonetically or conceptually. Using phonetics is obviously riddled with subjective choices that complicate the process. I opted to use the easiest, most superficial method, a rough correlation between letter names, which incorporates acrophonic similarities between letter sounds and names..
Your use of the phonetic 'translation' is exactly the problem. It ignores the whole raison d'etre behind the Yetziratic attributions, which are based on phonetics and letter-order. Hebrew has seven 'double letters', (with dual pronunciations); these are assigned to the planets. Greek has 7 vowels, and these are usually assigned to the planets, or in some cases to 7 different zodiac signs. In no case does the Hebrew set coincide with the Greek, for the simple reason that Hebrew has NO VOWELS.
Because the attributions ultimately are decided by phonetics and the sequence of letters, your use of phonetics to 'translate' English through Hebrew into Greek is totally flawed. Why not just go from English to Greek directly? Because that won't get you the 418 number you're after. You say that introducing Greek caused you to substitute Hebrew into Greek as the 'simplest way', when actually the simplest way is to use the same method for Greek that you did for Hebrew, as below.
Using your table, but using a traditional assignment of the Greek letters would look like this:
4 = H - Mercury = Epsilon = 5
6 = S - Taurus = Zeta = 7
3 = O – Fire = Pi = 80
8 = N – Moon = Alpha = 1
2 = T – Aries = Beta = 2
4 = H - Mercury = Epsilon = 5
3 = O – Fire = Pi = 80
5 + 7 + 80 + 1 + 2 + 5 + 80 = 180
The number 180 is full of symbolism, but it is not 418.
Litllwtw
O.L.
Thanks for this explanation, it helps clarify the complex. Perhaps you have written about how you came up with the English letters with elements, planets and zodiac?
Dwtw
Sorry for the double-post, but I missed this question before.
As Iggy noted, the pattern in the Tri-Key is not consistent; it is broken right away by Mercury, which is not connected to its Rulership or Exaltation, allowing Venus and Taurus to be 5 + 6 = 11. So, as TM stated, the pattern was initiated by this one correspondence, but that weakens the strength of the argument. Then the Earth is ignored for some reason. If Mercury and Earth followed the rest of the pattern, the result would be quite different. There is a selectivity here that only partly follows the logical pattern of the numbers.
For comparison's sake, in TQ, it is not the sequence of the numbers, but the structure of the trigrams that determines the categories:
0 Tao lines = 8 trigrams = 7 classic 'planets' plus Earth, based on distance from Sol.
1 Tao line = 12 trigrams = 12 zodiac signs, grouped by position of the Tao line into Triplicities
2 Tao lines = 6 trigrams = 4 Elements and Yang/Yin (Spirit active/passive)
3 Tao lines = 1 trigram = "Nothing under its three forms" = Zero
With Nothing at the center of a cube, the other 26 parts align with the trigram type:
8 corners, 12 edges, 6 faces, matching the categories above. These are aligned with 26 trigrams based on 13 pairs of opposites. This is the 0=2 formula in action. The opposite pairs are aligned through the center axis, where the Zero is located.
This is true regardless of the letters and categories assigned to each trigram. It is a simple fact that the decimal numbers 1-26 fit on a cube with no repeats and no omissions, using the value of the faces to determine which numbers go where:
- 2 faces meet at an edge, so the edge is the sum of those two faces
- 3 faces meet at a corner, so the corner is the sum of those three faces.
It works in decimal (or any base), but why it works is easily seen in base 3, as the trigrams intersect one another. This is not surprising, since the trigrams are in base 3, and they are being applied to a 3 dimensional object. And there is only one way to arrange the numbers to accomplish this:
The formula for the parts of a cube (faces, edges, corners) is simply (3^n)-1 = the number of topological 'parts', where n is the dimension. In the case of a 3D cube, the formula is (3^3)-1 = 26.
Cubes are built based on powers of 3, and the ternary system has digits which are the powers of 3, so the two realms merge easily here, the number theory enhancing the geometry, and vice versa. This shows the fundamental relationship of the first 27 whole numbers to each other, and reinforces AC's statement that Trigrammaton is "the ultimate foundation of the highest theoretical qabalah".
Litllwtw
O.L.
How then are we to believe that the (now-memory-holed) reference to 143 as a Fibonacci number was intended to be a reference to 89 being a Fibonacci number,
By realizing 89 is the only Fibonacci number mentioned in the paragraph.
When you claim to be a "Prophet", you are expected to not make "simple mistakes".
The only way to qualify the accuracy of your statement is to provide examples of prophets that were utterly flawless in their communications, thereby setting a precedent that supports the standard you suggest.
When you make "simple mistakes", folks are inclined to doubt that you are, in fact, a "Prophet".
I'm already hearing whispers of it in the neighborhood.
No, that's the Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
No it's not, and I challenge you to prove it.
In the case of Frater Achad, he modified the spelling of Parzival in order to make it equal 418, which is no surprise given his preferred Qabalistic techniques, and then sold it to Crowley, which speaks volumes about Crowley's choices and motives, while providing a perfect example of the sharpshooter fallacy.
Your obsession with finding your name in Liber AL never wavers, does it?
I perform gematria calculations and report the results: its others that seem to obsess over them.
Should those working with gematria avoid calculating the value of their names, for fear of becoming obsessed with themselves? The very crux of Thelemic work as defined by Crowley involves self-exploration: why am I disqualified?
Because the attributions ultimately are decided by phonetics and the sequence of letters, your use of phonetics to 'translate' English through Hebrew into Greek is totally flawed. Why not just go from English to Greek directly? Because that won't get you the 418 number you're after.
You infer deception where there is none. The software routine that was used to make the conversions, utilizes an array of 26 elements for each of the three alphabets. I spent all of 10 minutes creating the array for the Greek alphabet. I had no idea what the results would be until the software was up and running. Let's take a closer look at the specifics of your accusation:
4 = H: Mercury: Beth: Beta = 2: similar names and same letter value.
6 = S: Taurus: Vav: Digamma = 6: shared letter values, and the same sound.
3 = O: Fire: Shin: Sigma = 200: similar names.
8 = N: Moon: Gimel: Gamma = 3: similar names.
2 = T: Aries: Heh: Epsilon = 5: the two letters share the same gematria value and sound.
4 = H: Mercury: Beth: Beta = 2: similar names and same letter value.
3 = O: Fire: Shin: Sigma = 200: similar names.
2 + 6 + 200 + 3 + 5 + 2 + 200 = 418
Which letters do you think were intentionally manipulated?
Which letters do you think were intentionally manipulated?
All of them!
It is no secret that I am a supporter of the techniques developed by Threefold31. In fact, we have developed some of them together in the past couple years. But when it comes to the Greek and Hebrew Alphabets, there are long standing traditions.
In fact, Sigma and Shin are not similar names -- there is NO 'sh' sound in Greek except in the Cypric dialect. It does not exist in modern Greek.
Beta and Beth ... while they do share a commonality in sound and number, Beth is either Mercury, according to the GD system, or Luna in the more 'kosher' systems. In Greek, it is Aries.
Digamma and Vav are not the same sound. Digamma is /w/, vav is a /v/, or can be used as a pseudo-vowel for an o sound.
Heh and Eta are not even close to the same sound. Heh is usually voiceless, but can have a h sound, depending on its position in a word. Eta is long e in Classical Greek.
I am not sure where you got your information for your software, but your array is wrong. You should research things better. Do you think that just because you got 418 out of your software, it makes the software correct? Software is only as good as the programmer.
I get the foundation of your TriKey, I think it is an awesome approach to some of the Gematria Mysteries of Liber 220. Yet the English Language is elastic and ever-evolving, as language does. Yet when you go back in time and mess with the Hebrew and Greek Alphabets, all I can say is that you should really do your research.
It seems that most Thelemites forget that Crowley stated that Liber Trigrammaton was the foundation of the highest Theoretical QBLH. The rest of QBLH is then derived from the theoretical. Your claim not to be doing QBLH, and then doing it? This is very confusing. Your paper that started this whole thread is the literal definition of Literal QBLH. And your Tree Glyph? Is that not theoretical QBLH, what is referred to as "קבלה עיונית".
The whole thing is that you are not starting with Liber Trigrammaton. That is the road map that Crowley gave us. Not the Tree of Life, or anything similar to that.
he whole thing is that you are not starting with Liber Trigrammaton. That is the road map that Crowley gave us. Not the Tree of Life, or anything similar to that.
Thanks, this is a profound statement in itself....or at least worthy of thought beyond it being a reply to a particular person.
Trigrammaton. That is the road map that Crowley gave us.
As I am limited in brainpower to one language, which in my case is English, with elements of ancient, broken lingos tacked on here and there, I greatly appreciate the line ...
... obtain the order and value of the English alphabet
that is propped up by the phrase "new symbols."
Such a magnificent start, in English with British overtones, but then derailed by AC himself as "unsatisfactory." You note that he notes "theoretical foundation."
"... the foundation of the highest Theoretical QBLH."
Since the new symbols include yin, yand, and Tao as the rock-bottom, highest symbolic triad. I will now go on formal record as supportive of reaseach and development in this area.
In fact, Sigma and Shin are not similar names -- there is NO 'sh' sound in Greek except in the Cypric dialect. It does not exist in modern Greek.
Samech and Shin are considered phonetically interchangeable, making either letter interchangeable with Sigma, and your point moot. If Shin has to be substituted for a Greek letter within a substitution scheme, which the software requires in order to function, Sigma is the only choice.
Beta and Beth ... while they do share a commonality in sound and number,
Those qualities are all the software requires to function: a simple substitution.
Digamma and Vav are not the same sound. Digamma is /w/, vav is a /v/, or can be used as a pseudo-vowel for an o sound.
The software requires Vav be transposed into a Greek letter; In 777, the English equivalents for Vav are given as V or W, thus linking Vav to Digamma phonetically, and numerically, since both have a value of six within their numbering systems.
Heh and Eta are not even close to the same sound. Heh is usually voiceless, but can have a h sound, depending on its position in a word. Eta is long e in Classical Greek.
Eta is not utilized as a substitute for Heh within the Tri-key.
The proto-Canaanite form of Heh evolved into the Greek Letter Epsilon, which evolved into the Latin and English letter E. The only Hebrew letter than can be substituted for an English E is Heh, with both letters occupying the fifth position within their alphabets, and Epsilon falling into place beside them, being the fifth letter of the Greek alphabet.
I am not sure where you got your information for your software, but your array is wrong.
It's only "wrong" if you insist on applying a different scheme than what I used, and insist your method is "right," which is odd given the method you suggest is unworkable, and mine is workable, while producing significant results.
Yet when you go back in time and mess with the Hebrew and Greek Alphabets, all I can say is that you should really do your research.
I dismantled your criticisms one by one, which shows you should do a little more research yourself.
No it's not, and I challenge you to prove it.No, that's the Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
Dwtw
When you only use the results that make the point you're trying to prove, that's the TSF.
Your obsession with finding your name in Liber AL never wavers, does it?
I perform gematria calculations and report the results: its others that seem to obsess over them.Should those working with gematria avoid calculating the value of their names, for fear of becoming obsessed with themselves? The very crux of Thelemic work as defined by Crowley involves self-exploration: why am I disqualified?
You are not disqualified, it's just that you've been looking for your name in Liber AL for years. When only using gematria equivalents, it's not that hard to find one's name in the Book. As I've pointed out long ago, my last name equals 143 when transliterated into Hebrew. And 143 is the sum of the numbers in the Cipher. Does that mean they refer to me? Most likely not. Still, for the amount of work you've put into it, it's gratifying to know that your name is in there somewhere; you deserve no less 🙂
Because the attributions ultimately are decided by phonetics and the sequence of letters, your use of phonetics to 'translate' English through Hebrew into Greek is totally flawed. Why not just go from English to Greek directly? Because that won't get you the 418 number you're after.
You infer deception where there is none.
No, I don't think there is any deception. If one accepts your premise, then you can get to 418. But that premise is simply a misapplication of the principles behind the translation of one letter scheme into another.
Which letters do you think were intentionally manipulated?
I've already said that the letters are obviously similar phonetically. I'm not disputing that. But you keep avoiding the actual bone of contention, (as evidenced by your 'dismantling' statement in the last post) which is that Bet and Beta may be similar in their value or phonetics, but they are NOT attributed to the same category in the two systems. One is Mercury, the other is Aries. You used two different 'translation' schemes to get 618 and 418 out of these seven numbers. If you're okay with making up your own attributions for Greek letters, based on Hebrew, then you're all set.
Litllwtw
O.L.
Please show your proof rather than writing the same old presumptions you seem to be your habitual want regarding habitually kicking sand at @Herupakraath, who invariably has withstood the firecracker pot shots that are perhaps such an invariable constant that it is not even worth writing this...And then again:
I appreciate Herupakraath's contributions, which is not an endorsement, but what it is; and thus consider that the presentation of your evidence to be the honorable thing to do.. rather than engage in what might be out synch with the intentions found in...
Ignant666: "Oh, i do. Self-deception of the highest order is Messiah Moss' whole MO."
Yes, and a cursory reading of this thread by a generally well-read reader not familar with the subculture[-s] of Aleister Crowley's Thelema, is likely to bring "The Three Christs of Ypsilanti" to mind:
"The Three Christs of Ypsilanti [A Narrative Study of Three Lost Men] (1964) is a book-length psychiatric case study by Milton Rokeach, concerning his experiment on a group of three males with paranoid schizophrenia at Ypsilanti State Hospital[...] in Ypsilanti, Michigan. The book details the interactions of the three patients—Clyde Benson, Joseph Cassel, and Leon Gabor—each of whom believed himself to be Jesus Christ."
( Source: The Three Christs of Ypsilanti - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Christs_of_Ypsilanti )
Something reccuring in this thread is the repeated use of unfalsifiable claims, that is claims not capable of being proved false.[*]
[*] "unfalsifiable adjective un·fal·si·fi·able [...] : not capable of being proved false".
Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfalsifiable
Conspiracy theoricians for example, are searching for 'evidence' giving arguments for consporacy theories. Science on the other hand, is based on probability, and not on anything that might be possible. And with respect to the use of a scientific method, the hypothetical-deductive method can be used to demonstrate weaknesses in for example conspiratorical arguments.
But so much for "The method of science, the aim of religion.", as Aleister Crowley stated, I guess.
Something reccuring in this thread is the repeated use of unfalsifiable claims, that is claims not capable of being proved false.
Well, who on earth would have the temerity to make "unfalsifiable claims", such that we are living in the Aeon of Horus, or that there is such a thing as True Will, or that there is such a thing as a Magical Current, or that there are praeterhuman entities.
Thinking further afield, there are even those who assert that we live in an objective universe, that there is such a thing as Time, etc etc etc. I doubt that folks could get by without "unfalsiable claims".
Thinking further afield, there are even those who assert that we live in an objective universe, that there is such a thing as Time, etc etc etc. I doubt that folks could get by without "unfalsiable claims".
Nicely fielded, Michael. Or is that "afielded"?
But @wellreadwellbred is referring to Karl Popper's kind of well-accepted, well, actually, universally-accepted-among-all-modern-scientists, definition of what gets to count as a "scientific" claim, or hypothesis, or subject matter.
Two quotes to keep in mind here (and of course one is free to reject "scientific illuminism", and to go with the late Crowley "goblins and spacemen" phase):
We place no reliance on Virgin or pigeon,
The method of science, the aim of religion
As I've pointed out long ago, my last name equals 143 when transliterated into Hebrew. And 143 is the sum of the numbers in the Cipher. Does that mean they refer to me? Most likely not. Still, for the amount of work you've put into it, it's gratifying to know that your name is in there somewhere; you deserve no less 🙂
While I understand your effort to apply critical thinking and humility to the fact your last name equals 143, have you considered the possibility it could come at the expense of something revelatory, perhaps even magical? Let's see what the Tri-key has to say about it:
3 = Gimel: Moon: N = 8
10 = Yud: Virgo: U = 12
30 = Lamed: Libra: F = 13
30 = Lamed: Libra: F = 13
10 = Yud: Virgo: U = 12
60 = Samech: Sagittarius: C = 18
GYLLYS = 143 = 76
The value 76 results from transposing the Hebrew letters in your name into English letters using the Tri-key. The link between the two numbers resonates with the puzzle of verse 76, and links your name to it. The only element missing that shows you are also a prophet named in the puzzle, is to show the city and state of your birth are also represented within it. By spelling Detroit Michigan in Hebrew as DHTROYT MYChYGAN, and converting the letters into English, the value of the letters is 143, showing your name and birthplace are concealed in the numbers of the puzzle, similar to the way mine are concealed in the letters. By the way, my last name also equals 143:
M: Air = 21
O: Fire = 30
S: Taurus = 46
S: Taurus = 46
21 + 30 + 46 + 46 = 143
While I have a lot more to say about the subject above, it is perhaps the tiniest, most seemingly insignificant clue about the child alluded to in verse I:55 of Liber Legis that may carry the most weight:
The child of thy bowels; he shall behold them.
I have always been fascinated by the underlining of the word He in the verse, suggesting the very word itself may conceal the identity of the child. Other than the word indicating the child is male, the only other means for interpreting it is to treat it as the Hebrew letter Heh. The meaning of the word Heh is to behold a revelation, which resonates perfectly with the statement made in the verse. The letter Heh is pronounced HA, and can be written phonetically as Heh-Aleph; transposing the letters into English with the Tri-key, results in the initials of the child:
Heh: Aries: T.
Aleph: Air: M.