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09/12/2019 8:50 pm  

@Shiva“... I will withdraw from this thread...”  I note that the warranty on your integrity expired after only two weeks... but what a ‘Shivasplain’ of return!  “... explains all this conscious/unconscious stuff...”  Pray tell, did Aiwass personally shuffle and invert selected pages of these wonders as proof of your divinity?


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10/12/2019 1:11 am  
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I note that the warranty on your integrity expired after only two weeks...

Oh, sorry. i thought you had gone home. I didn't even notice what thread this was, simply because the off-topic discussion meandered into Horus and Set ... not you or your book. So I'll give you a brief reply and go elsewhere. If you're reading all of the elsewheres, where people are calling for you to be burned at the stake (Thelemic Heresy syndrome), I am one of your few defenders. I have publicly declared you NOT a member of The Black Lodge (subject to appeal), not an "overcharger" getting rich off your works, and appealed on multiple threads to wait and see what's in the whole (holy) trilogy ... before making any final decision as to your sanity, your work, and your expanded financial status. I can't be any fairer than all that.

 

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Pray tell, did Aiwass personally shuffle and invert selected pages of these wonders as proof of your divinity?

I do not believe in Aiwass as a separate entity from AC. There was a division in the dimensions, and AC was one of them. Inter-dimensional dialog took place. It happens all the time. This is true because it's all us and ourselves. Anyone who does not accept this responsibility is looking through a dark glass, with ripples. There was no shuffling or inverting of pages, there is no need for puzzles and riddles to read a doc and see the proof therein ... as you, or anyone else, notices that it makes sense.

When it stops making sense, without describing what is meant (such as reversal, not mentally perceivable or actionable, etc), then it's time to abandon that author (you or me or him or her), burn the books (or sell them on some auction site), and proclaim the dolt an imposter, or a fakir, or some such other term that questions their sanity.

Anyway, pardon my inadvertent intrusion into your domain. I note you poked a bit of fun when YourBorg noted me reading a thread I supposedly withdrew from. Sure, I'm gonna keep in touch with the frequency of this thread, and your work. When you publish two more books next year, on time, and reveal a sample of real practical Magick, I will be among the first to set you on the Seat in the East and proclaim your virtues.

If you fail, of course, to complete your work in a timely and productive manner, I will not be able to stop the populace from throwing you into the pit mentioned in The Revelation of St. john (written mostly in bible-speak).

There are no other warranties or recourses available, save Do what thou wilt.


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03/01/2020 10:58 am  

...so the famous Horus Toy, the solution of the AL Cypher, etc etc, is basically accepting to move on beyond gender essentialism and heteronormativity in sex magick?

Please tell me there is more than that.


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03/01/2020 12:32 pm  

@azrael2393 - ... erm, no... and yes!   Now, show me your happy, happy Horus smile .  😉

 


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03/01/2020 12:38 pm  

Given I wrote about it myself, I can agree that the Current must move on - or rather, the dinosaurs must do so. Curious to see where you will go with it.

http://www.ecclesiagnosticauniversalis.org/concerning-heteronormativity-and-gender-essentialism-in-thelemic-ritual-and-communities/


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03/01/2020 2:25 pm  

@azrael2393 - Lovely article!

I, Aleister Crowley, declare upon my honour as a gentleman that I hold this revelation a million times more important than the discovery of the Wheel, or even of the Laws of Physics or Mathematics. (Crowley, EOTG) – He was quite correct.

Abrogate are all rituals, all ordeals, all words and signs. (Liber AL,Chapter I: verse 49) – Again, spot-on the money.  Though Crowley evidently never ‘got’ that his mandate included the mountain of the stuff  he’d spend the remainder of his life churning out to bury the essential simplicity of his original, priceless, revelation...  D’Oh!

Horus says – “Dump the lot!  There’s a New Aeon in town and it comes with free balloons!”   😉

 


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03/01/2020 3:42 pm  

A linear league table of scientific or technological 'revelations' is silly as in terms of human development each one acts as a spiralling  platform for the next one to stand upon in the history of civilisation.  For example no wheel: no mill: no Crowley's Ales :no prophet.


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03/01/2020 9:21 pm  

Also curious to see where you will go with this, Richard. But I am quite sure that if you are right it won't sink Crowley's ship. In fact it will turn it into a starship and all his fiddlings will be forgiven!

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04/01/2020 12:45 pm  

@rtc

I, Aleister Crowley, declare upon my honour as a gentleman that I hold this revelation a million times more important than the discovery of the Wheel, or even of the Laws of Physics or Mathematics.” (Crowley, EOTG) – He was quite correct.

  

That statement about the wheel etc  is typical of  Crowley, it's a load of hyperbolics. 


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04/01/2020 2:15 pm  

@domThat statement about the wheel etc  is typical of  Crowley, it's a load of hyperbolics.”  - So, how do you distinguish between Crowley’s “load of hyperbolics” describing what ‘it’ does, and his “load of hyperbolics” describing where ‘it’ came from?  Is there a difference?  Why believe one, yet dismiss the other?  The Crowleyism App certainly features some pretty impressive self-defensive selectivity filters... all of which go up to 11!       

@the_real_simon_iff - Also curious to see where you will go with this, Richard. But I am quite sure that if you are right it won't sink Crowley's ship. In fact it will turn it into a starship and all his fiddlings will be forgiven! – Me, too!  If things pan out in the best interests of historical research, I feel we may well be looking at a significantly enhanced overall perspective in the relatively near future.  However, the future is shaped by the now, and solving this riddle is a collective responsibility.  So, I say again...

What is the terrifying nature of a solution compelling all who fathom it to silence?  On this point, I restate my post of 27 December - The solution inherently exposes a major conflict (possibly irreconcilable) with Crowley’s published account.  The solution is incidental with respect to its impact on the bigger picture.  I sincerely request that any person with knowledge of the solution please refute my heresy.

 


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04/01/2020 3:28 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

So, how do you distinguish between Crowley’s “load of hyperbolics” describing what ‘it’ does, and his “load of hyperbolics” describing where ‘it’ came from?  Is there a difference?  Why believe one, yet dismiss the other?

So this demonstrates your grasp of logic???

I sincerely request that any person with knowledge of RTC's grasp of logic please refute my heresy.

 


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05/01/2020 12:49 pm  

@RTC

I sincerely request that you open up a new thread where you present your solutions of II:76 and III:47

If you can't do that for one reason or another I think it is futile to await others will do it and confirm "your" solution, which I for one don't even know. Maybe I missed out on it, that's why a new thread would be great.

After failing to prove 3 years ago that AL was written later it is understandable that your own hyperbolics might be seen with a grain of salt. And this time you not only want to "sink AC's ship" but also show at some later point that he still brought us the biggest invention in history or something to that effect (your new book is still in boxes).

So: show us what you got and let's talk about it. Paul won't come to your help obviously and maybe others simply can't, that's me included.

Thanks in advance

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05/01/2020 1:29 pm  

And that thread can include RTC's startling and incontrovertible new proof, revealed for the first time yesterday, that AL was written by a praeternatural intelligence.

In the "Is that really a 'G' in "'ALGMOR'?" thread, RTC implies that the GPS/WGS 84 latitude and longitude coordinates of a sports field at the Gezira Sporting Club in Cairo are encrypted in AL.

Since the GPS/WGS 84 coordinate system was not invented until 1984, no one writing a book in 1904, or 1906, or any other time in AC's lifetime, or for decades after his death, could possibly have encrypted latitude/longitude information in this format.

Latitude and longitude was measured in degrees, minutes, and seconds, and not by degrees and six-digit decimal fractions of degrees, during AC's lifetime.

If AL includes the latitude and longitude coordinates expressed as degrees and six-digit decimal fractions of a degree that RTC says it does, it seems to me difficult to avoid the conclusion that it was written by a praeternatural intelligence able to predict things decades in the future.

I think it is incumbent on RTC to immediately come clean about this issue, since he is so adamant about demanding this of others.

Set an example, RTC- shame others into doing the same.

 


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05/01/2020 5:01 pm  

@ignant666 – See P.S....

@shiva“... one must put their explanation in kid-lingo, which means dropping down to the level of, say, a six-year old child. - See P.S....

@azrael2393I have as well moved more and more in recent years towards the idea that the whole AL reception is a fabrication. – Keep moving towards the light!  The truth will (eventually) set us all free.  😀  Crowley fabricated the reception and its mythology.  The riddle’s solution is a lingering look into the heart of that darkness.  See P.S....

@ignant666“... it is incumbent on RTC to immediately come clean... – No more so than Paul.  Yet, I hear no incumbery noises from you heading in that direction? – See P.S....  

@the_real_simon_iffAnd this time you not only want to "sink AC's ship" but also show at some later point that he still brought us the biggest invention in history – Yup, that’s about the size of it.  I think you may be right about starting an entirely new thread from the (often useful) debris now strewn across this and several others (and a panorama sooo utterly surreal as for me to check that the Wi-Fi App. on my Horus Toy™ hadn’t accidentally triggered  🤡 ).  I’ve repeatedly requested assistance from others because I do not yet have a solution of the order described by Paul, prior to his portentous plunge into the Abyss.

I only recently developed a curiosity, though have already devoted considerable time to its resolution, and will further reserve as much time as is required to complete this puzzle.  I feel that it is not unreasonable to note that all of this effort could have been saved by the grace of a sentence or two.  There are numerous hypothetical circumstances compelling Paul to silence.  However, his resolute determination to post not even a single word explanatory of his reasons convey a distinct impression of rudeness and conduct seemingly unbecoming of a Webmaster.  That being said, I shall endure with this mystery, the ‘D’Oh’ solution of which I am increasingly certain is staring me right in the face, and start a new thread with a summation of all the intriguing, tantalising strands I’ve stumbled over - In hope that someone can tie them together, neatly, or dismiss this heresy outright...  Assuming I do not.  See P.S....   

"The word of Sin is Restriction": seek therefore Righteousness, enquiring into Iniquity, and fortify thyself to overcome it.”

 

P.S. – Unrelated scan from “Geo-Praeter-Gematrica-Topo-Historical Mathephysics for Juniors;” Magazine (Dated 06 June, 06: Issue 78).

Were I Crowley, and preparing my mathematical blitzkrieg defence of how Rose knew RHK (EOTG), I’d probably caption this with “Behold! The tip of the arrow rests, dead centre, atop the very display case in which the Stele 666 is housed.  Of all the dots in all the world, you stuck your glamorised vorpal stabby-whatnot right in my portal – That’s gotta be 78,666/1, against!  One more, for the road, at the Balmoral?”   But I’m not, and aren’t, so won’t.

Make of it what thou wilt.

Must I say ‘those’ words, again?  🤪

 

666=78(no14)

 


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05/01/2020 5:49 pm  

@therealrtc : Thank you for clarifying that you have stated longitude and latitude, in that order, rather than the more conventional latitude and longitude.

When i typed the WGS 84/GPS coordinates you did your gematria on into google maps under the assumption you had stated them in the normal order, i got Soccer Field #1 at the Gezira Sporting Club. The relevance was not immediately clear.

When i reverse the order, i definitely also get a location in The Egyptian Museum. Was the Stele actually there in the early 20th century? Perhaps it was.

But, ONE MORE TIME, you still have, if you actually have found those digits encrypted in the text of AL, produced incontrovertible proof of the praeternatural authorship of AL, and that it was not fabricated by "Ol' Fakey", or any other person alive before 1984.

During the lifetime of AC, that WGS 84/GPS coordinate location would have been referred to as 30° 2' 53.1" North latitude, 31° 14' 1.2" East longitude, not by a coordinate system not invented until 1984, as the digits you say you have decrypted from the text of AL do.

Typing "DMS" ["degrees minutes seconds"] in front of WGS 84/GPS coordinates does not in fact make them degrees minutes seconds coordinates.

See https://goo.gl/maps/PbughXBHScrH1VqW9

See also https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/dms-decimal , which offers the more precise conversion of 30° 2' 53.0808" North latitude, 31° 14' 1.197" East longitude for the WGS 84/GPS coordinates you say you have discovered hidden in the text of AL

There were no navigational instruments capable of reading seconds of either latitude or longitude to even a single decimal point in the early years of the 20th century, so the very precision of the figures RTC has decrypted is another indication of praeternatural authorship.

Or, of course, it may be that RTC is either prey in the self-delusion he accuses others of, or else maybe is a great big, pants-on-fire liar. If the latter, such a person might get a nickname, like, for example, "Ol' Fakey".


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05/01/2020 6:55 pm  

Wait, i am really confused here. Actually if RTC has, in post 102397 , correctly assigned latitude and longitude to the WGS 84/GPS coordinates he gives, the location is in a park in Alexandria, and not any location in Cairo.

https://goo.gl/maps/BjjTxo9iBHPXHgf18

So he actually means that 31.233666 is the longitude, not the latitude, and that 30.048078 is the latitude, not the longitude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latitude

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitude

But the fact remains that these are WGS 84/GPS coordinates, and not coordinates that any human author could have included in AL.

I now am further confused as to how i got the soccer field at GSC out of those coordinates too.


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06/01/2020 1:51 am  

So now i see why i got confused by the WGS 84/GPS coordinates @therealrtc posted yesterday in the "'G' in 'ALGMOR'" thread:

Posted by: @therealrtc

The L/L coordinates of a location central to this mystery, are: 30. 05 43 78 and 31. 22 46 66

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/is-that-really-a-g-in-algmor/paged/3/#post-102262

I asked why he said that Soccer Field #1 at the Gezira Sporting Club was so important to the AL reception story.

Today he re-posted the coordinates, with a little cartoon/map indicating the answer:

Now, as i've pointed out, RTC has latitude and longitude backwards- but notice also that one coordinate is different from what he posted yesterday.

Both have 31.224666 as one figure (labelled "latitude" in the cartoon version), but yesterday he gave 30.054378 as the other figure. Today the other figure is 30.048078.

Of course, if we plug yesterday's coordinates into google maps we get

https://goo.gl/maps/3aNPjNaPCHG1S3XV9

Yes, folks, that's right, Soccer Field #1 at the Gezira Sporting Club. Or if we think 31.224666 really is the latitude, we get the middle of a field (the farm kind) in a rural area of Alexandria:

https://goo.gl/maps/rLXzYyoJyHprdZCfA

So it looks like RTC may have decrypted the wrong digits yesterday, realized his error, and then gone back to the text and decrypted the right digits today. Or something.

All this is irrelevant to my main point that the author of AL was not human if he/she/it was able to include any WGS 84/GPS coordinates in AL.

But it might add evidence that RTC is not a very reliable source of information about anything, or a particularly honest person.

Still no straight answer coming for two days now from RTC- i wonder if asking in this color text is the magick spell that will get the no doubt good explanation for these many issues? {do i have the color right?)


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06/01/2020 4:48 pm  

@ignant666 -

There were no navigational instruments capable of reading seconds of either latitude or longitude to even a single decimal point in the early years of the 20th century, so the very precision of the figures RTC has decrypted is another indication of praeternatural authorship. – The Victorians could not navigate to within a mile (the width of one second at the equator)?  The Ancient Egyptians managed better than that!  Besides, one does not have to physically navigate to a location, to calculate its L/L value.  That being said, it is a bit of a poser, is it not?  One could almost say ‘a beglamor.’  Before you ask... Oh yes there is!  I'd ask our Webmaster for a second opinion, but...  I do wonder if Paul’s inexplicable silence is down to an inability to stop laughing, on absorbing the punch-line of this jolly jape. 🤪 


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06/01/2020 5:21 pm  

So now that you have surfaced, @therealrtc , to make a frankly silly point, perhaps you will explain:

  • How it is that you have found WGS 84/GPS coordinates encrypted in AL?
  • Why did "ol' Fakey" not use the °/ ' /" ("degrees minutes seconds" (DMS)) system of coordinates that was all that existed during his lfe in fabricating AL?
  • Why is it that you, without explanation, gave two different sets of coordinates for the "location central to this mystery"? Both added up to 30, true, but they pointed to two different locations in Cairo.

As to your "objection" to the point i made re progress in precision of navigational instruments since AC's day, it is based on not understanding the concept of "orders of magnitude".

WGS 84/GPS coordinates like the ones you give are precise to one one thousandth of a second; there were no instruments in AC's lifetime capable of anything remotely close to that level of resolution.

Navigation within one second of accuracy is not the same thing as navigation within one tenth of a second of accuracy.

A mile (5,280 feet or 1609 meters) is not at all the same thing as a tenth of a mile (528 feet or 161 meters), nor is it at all the same thing as one one thousandth of a mile (5.3 feet or 1.6 meters).

 


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06/01/2020 5:56 pm  

Incidentally, no, apparently the Victorians could not, in fact, "navigate to within a mile (the width of one second at the equator)", according to the wikipedia article on sextants (citing Dutton's Navigation and Piloting (1972), 12th edition. G.D. Dunlap and H.H. Shufeldt, eds. Naval Institute Press, which seems like an authoritative source).

One tenth of one minute (six seconds) is the highest resolution possible with a sextant:

Professional sextants use a click-stop degree measure and a worm adjustment that reads to a minute, 1/60 of a degree. Most sextants also include a vernier on the worm dial that reads to 0.1 minute. Since 1 minute of error is about a nautical mile, the best possible accuracy of celestial navigation is about 0.1 nautical miles (200 m). At sea, results within several nautical miles, well within visual range, are acceptable. A highly skilled and experienced navigator can determine position to an accuracy of about 0.25-nautical-mile (460 m).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextant

According to you, the author of AL was able to provide coordinates with a resolution of one thousandth of a second, or 6,000 times higher resolution that was possible at that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(numbers)

Of course, you say that "[t]he Ancient Egyptians managed better [precision in navigation] than" one second, so perhaps the author of AL used these long-lost methods (unknown to archaeologists and historians)? Still a puzzler how that author used a coordinate system invented in 1984 though!


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06/01/2020 6:10 pm  

Correction: the Victorians could indeed "navigate to within a mile", and in fact under perfect conditions to within a tenth of a mile.

However, they absolutely could not navigate to within a second, let alone one one thousandth of a second, as you say the author of AL does.

Your error (well, one of your many errors) is in thinking that "a mile [is] the width of one second at the equator", when in fact (see above wikipedia "sextant" cite) "1 minute [...] is about a nautical mile". 

A navigational minute, like a chronological minute, is made up of 60 seconds, so you are off by a factor of 60 (see above wikipedia "orders of magnitude" cite).


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06/01/2020 7:18 pm  

Another proof of praeterhuman authorship of AL unearthed by @therealrtc : Modern high precision navigation/location systems are highly dependent on calculations based on Einstein's theory of Special Relativity (first publication (in German) September 1905), and also his theory of General Relativity (first publication 1907, further developed through 1915).

So the author of AL was aware of General Relativity, and practical implications of it (like high precision geodetics such as calculating locations with 5 feet/1.6 meters) before Einstein's very first publications on General Relativity, and very shortly after the publication of even his very first paper, in German, on Special Relativity, if RTC is correct that AL was fabricated in 1906. No human author in 1906 could possibly have done the math based on theories that ddin't exist yet.

Of course, if AL was actually written in 1904 as claimed, RTC has discovered some really impressive proof of praeterhuman authorship.

Alternatively,

Posted by: @ignant666

it may be that RTC is either prey in the self-delusion he accuses others of, or else maybe is a great big, pants-on-fire liar [in claiming to have found the WGS 84/GPS coordinates of the Stele in AL].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_relativity

http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/video/how-your-gps-uses-general-relativity/


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06/01/2020 7:42 pm  

@ignant666 - Of course, if AL was actually written in 1904 as claimed, RTC has discovered some reallyimpressive proof of praeterhuman authorship. – Fabulous, is it not, what wonders sheer, blind randomnivity conjures. It’s a beglamor, to be sure.  Your comments did get me wondering... If three stele deities straddled Cairo, where would the lady’s feet and fingers touch, and what would Ankhey be holding? 🤓

 


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06/01/2020 7:51 pm  

So those GPS coordinates, which yesterday were evidence AC had fabricated AL

Posted by: @therealrtc

Incidentally, for those of a gematriacally topographical bent... The L/L coordinates of a location central to this mystery, are: 30. 05 43 78 and 31. 22 46 66, or -  

3 + 0 + 0 + 5 + 4 +3 + 7 + 8 =  30

3 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 6 =  30

Now, that’s a spot that where, literally speaking, '78' and '666' meet and, let’s not forget, Crowley originally called his construct “L” (30)... That is, before he added a “1” (AL = 31) and got the spelling of Aivas right – It’s ‘93’ not ’78.’  Alas, he didn’t know that when fabricating his riddle.  Just saying...

are now a mere "wonder" conjured by  "sheer, blind randomnivity [sic]?

Nice try at recovery, but no cigar.

Your credibility is shot to hell with this one.


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07/01/2020 3:49 pm  

ignant666 to RTC: "When i typed the WGS 84/GPS coordinates you did your gematria on into google maps [...] When i[n] reverse the order, i definitely also get a location in The Egyptian Museum. Was the Stele actually there in the early 20th century? Perhaps it was."

Yes, a hint that reading the BOTL's text in reverse order, is the correct approach to eventually behold what the III:73 Cipher refers to, is a simple implementation of "III:73. Paste the sheets from right to left and from top to bottom: then behold!"


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07/01/2020 4:33 pm  

That is, "III:73. Paste the sheets from right to left and from top to bottom: then behold!", meaning;

read the text from right to left and from top to bottom: then behold!


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

read the text from right to left and from top to bottom: then behold!

OK, i'll bite- so let's see, if we do that with

4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y

x 24 89 R P S T O V A L

we get

Y 3 R O M G L A 4 2 K B A 8 3 6 4

L A V O T S P R 98 42 x

Of course! How clear and obvious! Eureka!

Um, what?


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07/01/2020 7:00 pm  

ignant666: "When i[n] reverse the order, i definitely also get a location in The Egyptian Museum. Was the Stele actually there in the early 20th century? Perhaps it was."

Which perfectly fits "III:73. Paste the sheets from right to left and from top to bottom: then behold!", meaning;

read the text from right to left and from top to bottom: then behold!

That is, read the III:73 Cipher backwards, or "i[n] reverse the order" to use your words ignant666, and behold its solution, a riddle easily solved. 


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07/01/2020 7:12 pm  

@wellreadwellbred - "...and behold its solution, a riddle easily solved."  It is! Care to elaborate?  I'd love to hear...   😜 

 


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07/01/2020 7:26 pm  

It may be, @wellreadwellbred , that @therealrtc getting latitude and longitude backwards in his "proof" that AC fabricated AL

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

perfectly fits "III:73. Paste the sheets from right to left and from top to bottom: then behold!"

It also "perfectly fits" with RTC getting latitude and longitude confused.

Still awaiting explanation is why he gave two different figures for the WGS 84/GPS longitude he said AC encoded in AL (before he said it was just synchronicity), and did his "see, they add up to 30!" exercise on both, though.

I read Liber Bogus for the first time last night. RTC is in desperate need of an editor. The book is rambling, self-indulgent, and incredibly repetitive, all of which detract from some good arguments, though not nearly as many as RTC imagines.

RTC has a pattern of extravagant and speculative claims with minimal to no evidence. Maybe i will change my mind when/if he actually makes available the claimed watermark evidence and the alleged "Horus Toy". But until then, i will think a thing less likely if he says it's so, all other things being equal.


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07/01/2020 7:50 pm  

@ignant666 - It also "perfectly fits" with RTC getting latitude and longitude confused. [...] As the OP, the OT as to the peculiar-looking "G" in "ALGMOR" has been settled to my satisfaction for ages. –  I accidentally cut ‘n’ pasted the L/L coordinates the wrong order, you soon spotted (and rectified) my glitch.  Cut me some slack, please! 😝

If I may echo the words of Lutz, my own research favours a letter “G.”

 


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07/01/2020 8:07 pm  

@frp - None!

 


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07/01/2020 8:40 pm  

@frp - Indeed!  I've marked it as 'Item 418,78' on my list of things to do... Once we get this riddle thing sorted.  😜 

 


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31/01/2020 1:06 pm  

It appears that Aleister Crowley wrote his 1904 dated The Book of the Law, with a book from 1614 titled Fama Fraternitatis or A Discovery of the Fraternity of the most Laudable Order of the Rosy Cross, in mind.

Fama Fraternitatis or A Discovery of the Fraternity of the most Laudable Order of the Rosy Cross: "Everyone may hold it out for certain, that such persons as were sent, and joyned together by God, and the Heavens, and chosen out of the wisest of men, as have lived in many ages, did live together above all others in highest unity, greatest secrecy, and most kindness one towards another."

Compare with AC's BOTL I: "10. Let my servants be few & secret: they shall rule the many & the known."

 

Fama Fraternitatis or A Discovery of the Fraternity of the most Laudable Order of the Rosy Cross: "We also steadfastly beleeve, that if our Brethren and Fathers had lived in this our present and clear light, they would more roughly have handled the Pope, Mahomet, scribes, artists, and sophisters, and showed themselves more helpful, not simply with sighs and wishing of their end and consummation."

Compare with AC's BOTL II: "27. There is great danger in me; for who doth not understand these runes shall make a great miss. He shall fall down into the pit called Because, and there he shall perish with the dogs of Reason. 28. Now a curse upon Because and his kin! 29. May Because be accursed for ever! 30. If Will stops and cries Why, invoking Because, then Will stops & does nought. 31. If Power asks why, then is Power weakness. 32. Also reason is a lie; for there is a factor infinite & unknown; & all their words are skew-wise."

Compare with AC's BOTL III: "49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men. 50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them! 51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross. 52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him. 53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din. 54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds. 55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!"

 
Fama Fraternitatis or A Discovery of the Fraternity of the most Laudable Order of the Rosy Cross: "Also we do promise more gold than both the Indies bring to the King of Spain; for Europe is with child and will bring forth a strong child, who shall stand in need of a great godfather's gift."
Compare with AC's BOTL III: "31. There cometh a rich man from the West who shall pour his gold upon thee. 32. From gold forge steel! 33. Be ready to fly or to smite! 45. Then will I lift her to pinnacles of power: then will I breed from her a child mightier than all the kings of the earth. I will fill her with joy: with my force shall she see & strike at the worship of Nu: she shall achieve Hadit."
 
 
Fama Fraternitatis or A Discovery of the Fraternity of the most Laudable Order of the Rosy Cross: "And this we say for a truth, that whosoever shall earnestly, and from his heart, bear affection unto us, it shall be beneficial to him in goods, body, and soul; ...".
Compare with AC's BOTL I: "32. [...] follow out the ordeals of my knowledge! seek me only! Then the joys of my love will redeem ye from all pain. This is so: I swear it by the vault of my body; by my sacred heart and tongue; by all I can give, by all I desire of ye all."
Compare with AC's BOTL I: "58. I give unimaginable joys on earth: certainty, not faith, while in life, upon death; peace unutterable, rest, ecstasy; nor do I demand aught in sacrifice."
 
Fama Fraternitatis or A Discovery of the Fraternity of the most Laudable Order of the Rosy Cross: "... he that is false-hearted, or only greedy of riches, the same first of all shall not be able in any manner of wise to hurt us, but bring himself to utter ruin and destruction."
Compare with AC's BOTL III: "42. The ordeals thou shalt oversee thyself, save only the blind ones. Refuse none, but thou shalt know & destroy the traitors. I am Ra-Hoor-Khuit; and I am powerful to protect my servant. ..."
 
Fama Fraternitatis or A Discovery of the Fraternity of the most Laudable Order of the Rosy Cross: "Also our building, although one hundred thousand people had very near seen and beheld the same, shall for ever remain untouched, undestroyed, and hidden to the wicked world."
Compare with AC's BOTL III: "34. But your holy place shall be untouched throughout the centuries: though with fire and sword it be burnt down & shattered, yet an invisible house there standeth, and shall stand until the fall of the Great Equinox; ..."
 
 
Said Fama fraternitatis (Report of the Brotherhood) in 1614, announced the inauguration of a new dispensation where "we do attain more and more to the perfect knowledge [...] of Nature", and where "the pride and covetousness of the learned is so great, it will not suffer them to agree together; but were they united, they might, out of all those things which in this our age God doth so richly bestow upon us, collect Librum Naturae, or, a Perfect Method of all Arts. But such is their opposition that they still keep, and are loth to leave, the old course, esteeming Porphyry, Aristotle, and Galen, yea, and that which hath but a mere show of learning, more than the clear and manifested Light and Truth."
 
("The Book of Nature is a religious and philosophical concept originating in the Latin Middle Ages which views nature as a book to be read for knowledge and understanding." (Source: Book of Nature - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Nature))
 

That is, said Report of the Brotherhood announced the inauguration of a new dispensation where the the philosophy of Porphyry and Aristotle, and the medicine of Galen, is to be replaced by wisdom gained directly from God and Nature.

 

RTC(@therealrtc), what is the point of your Horus Toy™, with respect to "The Inauguration of Aleister Crowley’s New Aeon of Horus"?

Will we access wisdom or the Holy Guardian Angel directly (from ("God" and) Nature), by plugging ourselves into this Horus Toy™, or by plugging this Horus Toy™ into us??

By the way, has anyone confirmed if the name Horus Toy has been trademarked?!?


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31/01/2020 8:01 pm  

@wellreadwellbred“RTC(@therealrtc), what is the point of your Horus Toy™, with respect to "The Inauguration of Aleister Crowley’s New Aeon of Horus"? Will we access wisdom or the Holy Guardian Angel directly (from ("God" and) Nature), by plugging ourselves into this Horus Toy™, or by plugging this Horus Toy™ into us?? By the way, has anyone confirmed if the name Horus Toy has been trademarked?!?”Fabulous post! Come April, anyone who still believes Crowley’s ‘an angel flapped in on my honeymoon suite with a Chosen One T-Shirt’ fable should band together into... The Flat Crowley-ers!

The Inauguration... outlines what is happening, and why it’s happening. The Horus Toy™ opens a door to the party, but, and it’s hugely important to keep this in mind, the fascinating guests and nibbles are merely distractions which (during Osiris) served primarily to attract our attention.  Horus has dawned and we’ve now got an invite.  Forget the small-talk and get to the door on the other side of the room – The one marked ‘Evolution.’ Incidentally, unlike the old aeonic Osiris Toy, my The Horus Toy™ is self-locating and self-inserting, so... Just relax and let The Horus Toy™ do all the work. 😵 

 


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01/02/2020 3:56 am  

Horus toy.  What is it?


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"For over a hundred years, enthusiastic devotees have rigidly trawled round and round and round the Libers (and accompanying dogma), and have collectively scoured an ever-deepening rut going absolutely nowhere. [...] Aleister Crowley glimpsed the moment when (for only the third time in its history) our species undergoes an evolutionary gear-change... and everything changes.  In mystical terms – The universal flow just changed from ‘Kether >> Chokmah’ (Osiris, the last 10,000 years), to ‘Kether >> Tiphareth’ (Horus, now)." (Source: First page of this thread - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/the-inauguration-of-aleister-crowleys-new-aeon-of-horus/#post-101367 )

Yes , RTC(@therealrtc), bickering over dogma & details will not get the work done, but you apparently claim that "Just relax and let The Horus Toy™ do all the work.", is a valid approach.

I ask the following question[-s] at the end of this posting, with the following in mind:

"Tipareth [...] receives the powers of all the other Sepiroth. Tiparteh mirrors much of the pureness of the Crown [= Kether], but on a deeper, more manifest level. [...] This sphere is a "two-way-switch" which both receives the the influxes of the emanations from above, and causes that influence to flow into all the reservoirs of blessings. [...] [Tiparteh] ... lies well within the range of human experience. The rest of the spheres from Tipareth on down can be increasingly described by the effect they have on human consciousness, [...] ... Tipareth mediates between the Godhead in Kether and the rest of the material universe. [...] ... the [...] Holy Guardian Angel, of every individual sits in Tiparteh; referring again to Tipareth as the mirror of Kether – the Divine Self." (Source: Page 66 and 67, Self-Initiation Into the Golden Dawn Tradition: A Complete Curriculum of Study for Both the Solitary Magician and the Working Magical Group, by Chic Cicero, and Sandra Tabatha Cicero, Llewellyn Publications, 2003.):

What is the point of said change of "The universal flow [...] to ‘Kether >> Tiphareth’ (Horus, now)", with respect to said "The Horus Toy™" doing "all the work."?!?

That is, does it do "all the work." including both 'The Conversation or communication from the HGA' & also 'Crossing the Abyss'?!?


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