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04/04/2020 11:07 pm  
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he took Blake's

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Do what you will

What?

'Do what you will, this world's a fiction and is made up of contradiction.'

William Blake  


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04/04/2020 11:24 pm  

Very different gist in Blake's sentence (and its variations) from that employed by Crowley. 


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04/04/2020 11:33 pm  
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Very different gist in Blake's sentence (and its variations) from that employed by Crowley. 

Really?  You don't see Blake as some sort of similarly wilful anti-christian prophet?  

https://www.williamblakeoto.org/about-thelema/#About_William_Blake_Lodge

William Blake Lodge has been continuously operating in the area since 1992 and is presently in its fourth generation of leadership. Our Lodge is named after artist, writer, poet & mystic, William Blake (1757 – 1827), whose work provides a legacy embracing the core concepts of Thelemic philosophy, although he lived and died long before the 21st century. The Gnostic Catholic Church or E.G.C., in fact, recognizes William Blake as a notable link in that historic chain transmitting the light of the gnosis throughout the ages, and recognizes him as a gnostic saint.

 Could you take this to another thread I don't want it to bog down this thread.  Thanks. 

 


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04/04/2020 11:47 pm  
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Could you take this to another thread I don't want it to bog down this thread.  Thanks. 

I don't think there is need to do this. Here's why:

You are inquiring into how Blake relates to the "Ethos of Thelema" which Crowley describes as being at (liberating) odds with the Old Aeon Book of Rules (or Record of how things are generally done). This thread has to do with the booklet (and general theme) of the Inauguration of the New Aeon. RTC gives a few examples of Ethos-Changeover in his book and Crowley was, of course, way ahead of him with his own list. The New Aeon view, for example, does not fear death but sees it as one with life. Therefore mourning is replaced with a "Feast." Freedom of sexuality is another characteristic and so on.

I DO think there are elements of Blake's view which most definitely connect to the "Ethos of Thelema." There are, of course, distinctions, as well.

In the above quote, Blake's words are in context of his full sentence and seem to carry the gist of "Whatever you do, you can't get around the fact the world you think is real is a lie." And this has to do with Blake's view of the Imaginal origin of all things. If Crowley ever cited this particular passage, I am not familiar that. I DO know Crowley loved Blake, recommended his complete work in the official A.A. Curriculum and cites him as a Brother in Liber Aleph. But I don't know that he drew DWTW at all from Blake (I'll cheerfully stand corrected, if otherwise) as there seems to be a clearer line drawn to Rabelais.   

 


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05/04/2020 1:25 am  
Posted by: @dom

'Do what you will, this world's a fiction and is made up of contradiction.'

Holy Bull!  That's what U.G. said as well.

No, that's not exactly right. He said, "Go where you will, do what you want."

 


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05/04/2020 7:33 pm  

So the real full effect of the Aeon of Horus started 2012 on the 22nd December?

 

The present virus-war is World War Three.  Makes sense in that respect.  

 

 


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05/04/2020 8:13 pm  
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So the real full effect of the Aeon of Horus started 2012 on the 22nd December?

 

The present virus-war is World War Three.  Makes sense in that respect.  

These viewpoints are subjective.

 


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05/04/2020 8:23 pm  

@dom - "So the real full effect of the Aeon of Horus started 2012 on the 22nd December?" - I think that's equally useful as suggesting a person gets the full effect of being thirteen, on their thirteenth birthday.

@ignant666 - Hey, in only a few days you'll actually be 'a part of the solution' Geddit? 😌  How cool is that!


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@dom - "So the real full effect of the Aeon of Horus started 2012 on the 22nd December?" - I think that's equally useful as suggesting a person gets the full effect of being thirteen, on their thirteenth birthday.

@ignant666 - Hey, in only a few days you'll actually be 'a part of the solution' Geddit? 😌  How cool is that!

 

I see, that's your proposal.  You perhaps view the 20th century as the child (as seen in the Aeon Thoth ATU and) as described by AC in his foreword to AL ; "we are children".  It maybe follows that here we are at puberty with all of it's rages and hormones.  This COVID19 international conflict certainly is World War Three and it's appeared a mere 8 years after 2012.    Maybe there is a parallel with the short lapse  between The Great War of 1917 coming 13 years after the inception of AL.

Freud proposed that psychological development in childhood takes place during five psychosexual stages as follows:

Oral from birth to 1 year old, anal  1 to  3, phallic  3 to 6, latency 6 to puberty and genital i.e.  puberty.  Perhaps this correlates with your Horus Toy as 'the genital phase' of puberty?

That said, if we take 1904 as 'year zero' then we have 108 years up to 2012 (108 a well known sacred number by the way).   That would mean that 108 years would be divided into 4 phases.  0 to 1, 1 to 3, 3 to 6  and 6  to 13 that is 108/13  = 8.3.

 

This would classify the progress of the 20th century as 

1904 - 1912         ORAL  

1912  -  1928     ANAL     The Great War, post WW1 up to The Wall Street catastrophe  

1928 -  1952       PHALLIC   Great Depression, rise of nationalist dictatorships, World War Two making way for The Atomic Age

1952 - 2012         LATENCY   Post Korean War and the ensuing nuclear-warhead instigated unusual period of world-peace among the great powers (mutually assured destruction rationale)  

2012 ......            PUBERTY (The Horus Toy?)   Covid19 i.e. World War 3 a revisitation of the anal phase only with raging teenage hormones.


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05/04/2020 9:59 pm  

Well hope fully we won’t turn out to be like Freud’s daughter.


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05/04/2020 10:00 pm  

OMG, RTC, you may have a convert!


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05/04/2020 10:38 pm  
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a revisitation of the anal phase only with raging teenage hormones.

We've all been there, dom. Nothing to be ashamed of.


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05/04/2020 10:42 pm  
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OMG, RTC, you may have a convert!

From Genesis P.Orridge to Carrot_Childe, pausing along the way only to genuflect to Los.

Another sinner is clasped to the bosom. Praise be the Lord CC.


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05/04/2020 10:49 pm  
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This COVID19 international conflict certainly is World War Three

At present, this is a subjective and somewhat hysterical statement. It is a different kind of war than previous "world wars."

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Well hope fully we won’t turn out to be like Freud’s daughter.

What happened? Did she run off with a traveling salesman?

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OMG, RTC, you may have a convert!

Convert Not. Convict? Yes, but Convert Not.

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05/04/2020 10:55 pm  

Thank you Ignant I'd knew you'd be impressed.

 

Freud is only being used as a reference point not as an actuality but no one can deny the phases that a well-adjusted child is supposed to go through onward towards puberty.  

 

1904 - 1912         ORAL  

 

Note the helplessness with which the suckling baby was unable to avoid the WW1 catastrophe.  It slid into it.

 

1912  -  1928     ANAL     The Great War, post WW1 up to The Wall Street catastrophe.

 

In the 'terrible 2s' toddler phase the child attempts to assert it's own boundaries, they say it is literally asking it's parents for boundaries in order to own it's own disastrous blind rage and anger.   This would be the height of the conflict of the Great Powers in trench warfare, women's votes and the  emergence of the catastrophic new society of the workers' state in Russia.  The war sent shock waves through society birthing new violent political and artistic movements whose purpose was dissent and unprecedented rejection of all established patriarchal values.   This is a crazy attempt to break away; to fuel itself.

1928 -  1952       PHALLIC   Great Depression, rise of nationalist dictatorships, World War Two making way for The Atomic Age

The catastrophic drive against father in blind Oedipal possessiveness.  Truly a war with daddy to secretly  possess mummy.  Would this describe the terrible emergence of The dumb overly ambitious Axis Powers and their conflict with all things upstanding and decent in civilization?  

 

1952 - 2012         LATENCY   Post Korean War and the ensuing nuclear-warhead instigated unusual period of world-peace among the great powers (mutually assured destruction rationale)  

Interesting that in this phase the child sublimates any prior difficult drive that may cause conflict and they become dormant.   As Maggie (Thatcher) stated we hold on to nuclear arms because they have kept peace amongst the powers (since WW2) for the first time in history.

 

Freud thought that most sexual impulses are repressed during the latent stage, and sexual energy can be sublimated towards school work, hobbies, and friendships.   That would describe the reaction against WW2 ie the hippy movement ; love, peace, cooperation and aspirations towards the brotherhood of man. 

 

Much of the child's energy is channeled into developing new skills and acquiring new knowledge, and play becomes largely confined to other children of the same gender

 

https://www.simplypsychology.org/psychosexual.html#phal

I like the fact that the anal phase  produced these all-powerful weapons or more to the point brought a sense of balance....until.......   

 

2012 ......            PUBERTY (The Horus Toy?)   Covid19 i.e. World War 3 a revisitation of the anal phase only with raging teenage hormones? 


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05/04/2020 11:13 pm  

@Shiva
Freud taught that lesbianism is always the fault of the father and is curable by psychoanalysis but failed to cure her.


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05/04/2020 11:14 pm  
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he universe of dogs, for example

I don't like dogs really.

 

Unless they are biggish.  Like Shepherds. 

 

I ate dog in Japan. It was tasty.

 

I cant stand little yappy dogs. 

My sister has two little schnoodles. 

They yap so loud. I want to kick them. But then when they sit in your lap you like them

Its quite a chore to love little dogs. 

 

They shall be food for the wicked at some point. 

 

 


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05/04/2020 11:14 pm  

Is a god to live in a dog? 

 


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05/04/2020 11:22 pm  

1952 - 2012         LATENCY  

Much of the child's energy is channeled into developing new skills and acquiring new knowledge, and play becomes largely confined to other children of the same gender

 

Add the active role of the U.N. to that period.

I guess the new nationalism (Brexit ; European Cooperation breakup) and the demise of the U.N. would represent the stirrings of the surly teenager.  The teenage phase is a higher phase of toddler activity.  Interesting that Fascism as a real threat is seeded in this period and the Toddler 1912  -  1928  post WW1 period. 


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05/04/2020 11:26 pm  

I hope the EU rots. Thats just me. 

 


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05/04/2020 11:41 pm  
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I don't like dogs really.

OMG [Oh, My Gods & Godesses"], chris, them's fightin' words!

Dogs are superior creatures whose karma is to teach us love, service, and devotion; in return, we have taught them guilt, and obedience.

"Is a god to live in a dog?" Only a very superior sort of god might be able to hope for this. It is my fondest hope to reincarnate as a dog.

Here is a picture that i could swear i posted long ago during the Los Bot Wars, but can find no trace of, of my little dog Fifi reading a book:

Fifi reading

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05/04/2020 11:50 pm  

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I can respect them.

I just dont like them.

Depends on the dog I guess.

Its very picky

 

I am drawn to cats,

horses, 

and fishes. 

 

and birds. 

 


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05/04/2020 11:51 pm  
@ignant666 - "OMG, RTC, you may have a convert!" - RTC's Church of the Greater & Lesser Heresies is like ABBA in the 70s - Everybody has the true sacraments discretely tucked away behind Floyd, Zep and Genesis.

@shiva -"It is a different kind of war than previous "world wars."" - Precisely what one would anticipate with reference to the new conditions of a New Aeon.

@dom - You'll know you have a winner when you can play stocks 'n' shares with it and, of course, once @the_real_simon_iff has approved your system. 😝

The western key-scale has just twelve notes, in total.
All songs are composed in a specific key signature, which have just seven notes.
All songs can be transposed into the same key signature.
Therefore, (a few incidentals aside) it's not unreasonable to say that almost every song you've ever heard is crafted from just seven notes - and 95% of them are in 4/4 time.
Patterns form... Meaning is apportioned...  The Song Remains The Same. 


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06/04/2020 12:05 am  

Credit where due, RTC, an excellent post, and the ABBA line made me "LOL", as the youth say.

When i had my recording studio in the early days of the new millennium, my three "ear training" songs to get bands used to the sound of my monitor setup before listening to what i'd recorded of them were "The James Bond Theme" by John Barry, "D'Yer Maker" by Led Zep, and "Waterloo" by you know who. Because everyone knows 'em.

Or did then. In January, i met a college-educated woman, a schoolteacher, in her late 20s, who had never heard of the Rolling Stones. What do they teach these kids in school these days?

Shocked and appalled, i am,

Geriatric & Far Indeed From Being Gruntled

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06/04/2020 12:08 am  
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So do you think it (the whole universe) therefore subscribes to the "Anthropic Principle"?

I must, because it's an invention of the human mind.

The assumption with this (Principle) is that there would be no other (alien, extraterrestrial) sentient life-forms in the "whole universe" apart from this "human".  Which is a big assumption, although one yet to be definit(iv)ely proven one way or the other.

I imagine that it would go against the (Sirian) beliefs of all the Typhonians, for a start.(?)

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06/04/2020 1:01 am  
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The assumption with this (Principle) is that there would be no other (alien, extraterrestrial) sentient life-forms in the "whole universe" apart from this "human".

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I imagine that it would go against the (Sirian) beliefs of all the Typhonians, for a start.

In his classic SKOOB Occult Review interview, Kenneth Grant spoke of Extraterrestrial Powers impinging upon the Planet. He was then asked if there would be any human survivors. He response was no.

Because there were no humans existing to survive anything.

The "Anthropic" is, therefore, a way to express a particularly focused aspect of Consciousness Itself, an aspect which is unveiling Itself on the Royal Road.

 

 


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06/04/2020 1:27 am  

@kidneyhawk

 

Kyle, he also had the weird idea about using that funnel of power to protect oneself from ET powers.

He was a great man.

But I am wondering what he really meant.

RE the back of the Ninth Arch.

 


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06/04/2020 2:20 am  
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Freud taught that lesbianism is always the fault of the father and is curable by psychoanalysis but failed to cure

Well, get going on the book that will expose Ol' Fakey Freud the Fakir.

But take your time, because I already knew Freud needed some screws tightened and an oil change ... so other people probably already know, so they won't buy the book.

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Is a god to live in a dog?

Anubis?

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the new nationalism (Brexit ; European Cooperation breakup) and the demise of the U.N. would represent the stirrings of the surly teenager

So far, so good.

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I hope the EU rots. Thats just me. 

Positive thinking, please. Projection of decay upon sentient beings is unworthy of the noble mind.

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hem's fightin' words!

See if he likes cats. You see, there are dog peopple and cat people. Usually one doesn't like the other's pets. Some are bi-pet. Some hate all animalia. But mostly it's dogs vs cats (animals and peoples).

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I am drawn to cats,

Lots of AHA! moments these days as confessions rise to the surface. The witness has confessed. I rest

... my case.

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The assumption with this (Principle) is that there would be no other (alien, extraterrestrial) sentient life-forms in the "whole universe" apart from this "human".

That's the spirit. Below the Abyss anything, really - just absolutely anything (A.'.A.'.) - can, and probably will, be percepted as other, or alien, or whatever, even a dog.

It is in samadhi, generally attributed upstairs from the Grand Canyon, that one perceives such otherness as part of one's (higher) self. This works really well in Aikido, where this can be demonstrated on the physical plane. It also works well in moments of ego-loss due to meditation or other spontaneous insights.

I will grant you that the me-ego vs it-other dilemma is pretty much established in our outlook. That's what makes the Libers and the Practices (or the libationism of short-cutters) come into play as we attempt to reach the goal. All roads do not lead to Mecca, Jerusalem, or New York. They lead to samadhi. And that might be the only thing these different roads have in common.

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the back of the Ninth Arch.

Nirvana.

 


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06/04/2020 9:36 am  
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In his classic SKOOB Occult Review interview, Kenneth Grant spoke of Extraterrestrial Powers impinging upon the Planet.

That's what I meant ("I imagine that it [the Anthropic Principle] would go against the (Sirian) beliefs of all the Typhonians, for a start.")

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He was then asked if there would be any human survivors. He response was no.

Because there were no humans existing to survive anything.

Do you think then he was inferring it would be a "praeter-human" existence?  Or just "other"?

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the new nationalism (Brexit ; European Cooperation breakup) and the demise of the U.N. would represent the stirrings of the surly teenager

Ain't this ultimately just going back to the old nationalism?

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I hope the EU rots. Thats just me. 

Positive thinking, please. Projection of decay upon sentient beings is unworthy of the noble mind.

Is the EU a sentient being?  (It can't organically rot, that's for sure...)

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this can be demonstrated on the physical plane.

Where the Anthropic Principle's concerned, on the physical plane here on Earth carbon-based human beings happen to be in the 'Goldlilocks are[n]a', so other (silicon-based?) beings aren't/ can't be.

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All roads do not lead to Mecca, Jerusalem, or New York. They lead to samadhi. And that might be the only thing these different roads have in common.

But leaving samadhi aside (or above, or beyond), we (humans) are therefore alone?

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even a dog.

Well, you know what they say: "Solve the first arf of the equation..."

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06/04/2020 10:18 am  
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Nirvana.

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Keep up Shiva we were talking about ABBA and The Rolling Stones.


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06/04/2020 10:49 am  

In order to grasp my analysis of the 20th century as related to the psychological stages of the child you won't appreciate it if you have no basic sense of modern history.


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06/04/2020 11:04 am  
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Is a god to live in a dog?

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06/04/2020 3:24 pm  
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the (Sirian) beliefs of all the Typhonians

Posted by: @christibrany

Is a god to live in a dog?

Sirius-ly. 🙄

No! 

 

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dog

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06/04/2020 3:43 pm  

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Don't know why he messed up the "o" like that. "The chance shape of the letters" I guess, maybe it has some hidden meaning.


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Don't know why he messed up the "o" like that. "The chance shape of the letters" I guess, maybe it has some hidden meaning.

Crowley's uppercase G's are also part of the discussion involving II:76. Chance shape having significance in automatic writing and with the choice of scribe is reasonable within the framework.

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06/04/2020 6:18 pm  
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we were talking about ABBA and The Rolling Stones.

They too, of course, will get around to nothing.

 


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