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Jamie J. B.: 

"Wellreadwellbred (or any other "butters-in" such as you-know-who), do you think people can accept everything (else) AC wrote about the philosophy of Thelema,  as in "discovering and doing one's true will" (and in so doing describe themselves as Thelemites), whilst at the same time choosing to ignore as 'unacceptable' parts or altogether the contents of The Book of the Law?"

Yes. (Though I think ignoring "as 'unacceptable' parts or altogether the contents of [AC's]The Book of the Law", is a rarity among self-identifying Thelemites.) 


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Correction:

Yes. (Though I think ignoring "as 'unacceptable' [...] altogether the contents of [AC's]The Book of the Law", is a rarity among self-identifying Thelemites.) 


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Yes [...]

Well, (Well, Well) this being the case, the number of adherents of Thelema (or 'Thelemites') worldwide would actually be in the millions, wouldn't it, since it (= "the discovering & doing of one's true will") is basically the same thing as "Know[ing] Thyself" and finding out the reason & purpose for one's existence here on the planet - both of these identical stated goals being incorporated as they are into almost the whole of the present-day international extremely popular (so-called) "New Aeon Age" movement.  (And not therefore taking into any account The Book of the Law.)

Q.E.D., - but as was said before, who's counting?

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@shiva

 

I Keep telling you all, he's a bot, man.

 

Scandinavians aren't like that. 

 

My Google fone keeps wanting to correct me.

 

@jamiejbarter

Yes, James I have read those Starfire articles and as you already knew, hence your latter elucidations I think Michael should write something like Remembering Kenneth Grant.

 

 

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Yes, James I have read those Starfire articles and as you already knew, hence your latter elucidations

But No, Chris I didn't "already knew" that!

Denyingly yours whilst sitting on the hence,

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But No, Chris I didn't "already knew" that!

Can you prove you didn't knew?

Any sort of proof will surely dew.

Then we can all start again, a-gnu.

And I'll be happy to not be yew.

 

... because it's supposed to be impossible to prove a negative. whew!


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Jamie J. Barter: "... this being the case, the number of adherents of Thelema (or 'Thelemites') worldwide would actually be in the millions, wouldn't it ..."?

Only if the Thelema derived from AC and/or Aiwass' The Book of the Law (and The Vision and the Voice), is identified with groups and individuals not self-identifying as Thelemites. And only if this Thelema is not treated as a word with certain meanings according to said The Book of the Law (I: 40.), as "Who calls us Thelemites will do no wrong, if he [she, or whoever] look but close into the word For there are therein Three Grades, the Hermit, and the Lover, and the man of Earth. ...". And only if this Thelema instead is treaded as a so called floating signifier, a signifier that absorbs rather than emits meaning, also known as an 'empty signifier'.

(Source:  Oxford Reference  [...] overview[:] floating signifier- - - https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095824238   )


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Only if the Thelema derived from AC and/or Aiwass' The Book of the Law (and The Vision and the Voice), is identified with groups and individuals not self-identifying as Thelemites. And only if this Thelema is not treated as a word with certain meanings according to said The Book of the Law

"Only if", OKeyledokely then: after all, I did say

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

(And not therefore taking into any account The Book of the Law.)

Also

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

And only if this Thelema instead is treaded as a so called floating signifier, a signifier that absorbs rather than emits meaning, also known as an 'empty signifier'.

you agree with the basic premise that, even so, this would still make the number of adherents to/ followers of Thelema (as formulated by Crowley) in the millions then?

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... because it's supposed to be impossible to prove a negative. whew!

What to do - could it be "if only" I were yew

I'd be so clever and able to address this too ?

As it is though, your response stinks like some big pooh

so maybe it's time to look at things fresh anew:

I really must ask some other nearby guru

Just what is a poor sole meant to do

and not end up in the stew?

Significantly-floatingly-by yours,

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jjb: "you agree with the basic premise that, even so, this would still make the number of adherents to/ followers of Thelema (as formulated by Crowley) in the millions then?"

 

Such an agreement about the said basic premise, being the case, is no mean feat in itself, for what its worth with respect to there currently being millions of "mere" adherents of Thelema, more or less in line with what was formulated by Aiwass and/or Aleister Crowley and/or whoever and/or whomever.

( In hushed voice: ) But, but, but Mr. Barter, would not such an agreement, irrespective of that it is pathetically based on weakly treating as a so called floating signifier or empty signifier, one Aiwass and/or Aleister Crowley's distinct and particular interpretation(-s) of the word thelema, potentially be very upsetting to one RTC (@therealrtc)??? Especially as the latter has taken upon himself to shoulder the almost Atlas like responsibility of – ("the Mantle of the Prophet", with respect to) – getting things going for the subject matter of this thread: The Inauguration of Aleister Crowley’s New Aeon of Horus???

([The Mantle of the Prophet - - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcpztlTiXkM ])


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

And only if this Thelema instead is treaded as a so called floating signifier, a signifier that absorbs rather than emits meaning, also known as an 'empty signifier'.

I've always had this nagging feeling that something was amiss with my life as a Thelemite, something that was virtual rather than real. Now, I realise that I am floating signifier. Even worse, I'm a SO-CALLED floating signifier - I couldn't even get THAT right!

Doubtless I'll just have to carry on somehow, absorbing rather than emiting meaning - an eternal recurrence the prospect of which would have devastated even the most hardened disciple of Nietzsche.

 


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I'll just have to carry on somehow

You hope.

What with all the signifying so-called monkeys, conditions, prerequisites, signing, not-signing, texts required, and obviously incorrect self-identifications, with links to references made by mad men, I find it difficult to grasp the actual, true significance of anything being written.

 


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Aiwass' above mentioned statement in The Cry of the 30th Æthyr within the part of The Vision and the Voice written in Mexico 1900, has recemblance to the King James Bible's Genesis 3: 15.:

"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.".

Though the serpent is not explicitly identified in the Book of Genesis, he is identified with Satan in Aleister Crowley's favorite book in the Xian Bible (King James Bible translation) (a (favorite-)book much used by Aleister Crowley both in his book The Vision and the Voice, and in his The Book of the Law): 

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. [...] . . . He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, ... (Revelation 12: 9.; 20: 2.)".

 

RTC(@therealrtc), early in this thread you wrote "Early next year [2020], in “666, Sex and the New Aeon of Horus,” I shall include a sampler of the toy in the form of an elementary (small battery) ‘try it at home’ exercise.  From this material, it is within the scope of anyone (and especially those with an occult grounding) to adapt the methodology and incorporate bigger batteries, with a correspondingly larger... splash.  Later next year [2020], in “The Paranormal Decided,” and in the plainest language, I shall release a full description of the toy, of how and why I believe it works as it does, and its function as a factor of global evolution.  It is not overly tongue-in-cheek to suggest that the book comprises one sentence of practical instruction and 200 pages of exceedingly good reasons why the instruction should not be actioned.  Oh, and a page absolving me of any and all responsibility, liability, etc. if someone does and matters get... out of hand [...]

Early in the new year [2020] “666...” offers a practical application – From which the “mental giants” populating LAShTAL should have no difficulty in deducing myriad variations.  Later next year [2020] “The Paranormal Decided” maps it out for the benefit of all lost souls bereft of a grounding in Crowley’s priceless insights (i.e. the Banker, Pugilist, Navvy, Grocer, Factory Girl etc..)

@Shiva – Go on, try it. You know you want to.  It’ll be like a vigorous spiritual enema. Mmmmmmm... Cleansing." 

(Source: Page 1 and 2, this thread: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/101429/ and https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/101461/   )

RTC(@therealrtc), when will you release 666, Sex and the New Aeon of Horus" ,and when will you release The Paranormal Decided???

These posts of yours are difficult to read, well, in fact to be honest, I've  hardly read any for that reason alone.   Could you use the 'quote' facility that we have when replying to someone? 

 

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Barry "Nikolas Schreck" Dubin's assumed last name is "Schreck" [German for "fear/scare"], not "Shrek", but, like WRWB's recent "Fustian", maybe you are onto something with this apparent typo.

Dubin/Schreck now claims to be a Buddhist, and has renounced Satanism, and Nazi ideology; probably a better fit for a nice Jewish boy from Encino, Ca. Not, of course, that he had much choice after his former Nazi pals discovered he was a Jew.

Why on earth would Michael, or anyone else with a lick of common sense, care what idiots like him, his ex-wife, Aquino, or other Set/Satan cultists babble about?

Jewish?

Hahaha what a wacko. 

 

I thought Michael might be interested in the sort of people that are/were attracted to The Temple of Set.  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @dom

Could you use the 'quote' facility that we have when replying to someone? 

Good advice question.

 


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Such an agreement about the said basic premise, being the case, is no mean feat in itself, for what its worth with respect to there currently being millions of "mere" adherents of Thelema, more or less in line with what was formulated by Aiwass and/or Aleister Crowley and/or whoever and/or whomever.

Thank you for therefore agreeing with me well that there are in effect millions of Thelemites around the world (= 'New agers' that have the identical goal of 'Knowing Thyself' and discovering and fulfilling their life purpose without the aid of The Book of the Law).  You may therefore adjust your belief (system) accordingly (and 'you are most welcome' to do so...)

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( In hushed voice: )

No need for hush (You can shout it from the rooftops if you like).

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

But, but, but

No need for hesitation.

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Mr. Barter,

No need for formalities (unless purely for purposes of assonance?)

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would not such an agreement, [...] potentially be very upsetting to one RTC (@therealrtc)??? Especially as the latter has taken upon himself to

What possible relevance to your original contention is it being 'upsetting' to uncle Richard all of a sudden?  When this, your original point (now disproved, see above) was that

"this Thelema appears to have failed sorely with respect to its number[-s] of "mere" [self-identified] adherents or "mere" [self-identified] devotees,now over a Century after its prophet Aleister Crowley started writing its sacred scriptures." ?

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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Thank you for therefore agreeing with me ...

I read his quote of agreement three (3) times, and yes, he seemed to be inclined to admit some thing related to the works of Aiwass and the puppet Crowley, but I don't think it was clear enough to win a judgment in court.

See if you can get him to write, "Yes, you are right. By loftier definitions there are millions of Thelemites everywhere." The part about the other half of the millions trying to kill us or steal our bread need not be addressed at this delicate, preliminary stage.

 


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[djedi posts a pic]

I don't think dom is part of a gang of three who are attempting to assassinate (hashishinate) our defenseless icon. I guess they weren't teaching white folks the martial arts when he visited the Orient.

Anyway, it's a proxy debate now, and I propose that some fellows have not been able to distinguish (make a difference) or otherwise discriminate in the true sense of the word, between Frater Perdurabo, the Demon Crowley, Ankh, and the Minister of Hoor-paar-kraat. They also do not understand The Book of Lies, and they have failed to have been caught as the dummy in The Universal Joke. Their practice in wu-wei is deficient.

I submit these three tokens (distinguishment, 333, LOL) in evidence of depth of perception, non-emptiness, and lack of humor.

One-third of the accusators maintains a traveling show that promotes the falsehood of the heroic Cairo Working, while hinting that the ringmaster holds the true secret of immortality (or something). This agent is apparently overshadowed by Apep, the serpent who is bent on swallowing the Solar Egg of Ra.

The second third of the accusators sustains a vigorous flow of quotes with the constant presentation of a hypothesis that states Thelema must be bunk because it's not popular enough - by some ill-defined standard of measurement that is self-defined but somehow capable of being measured objectively. This agent, or channel, or medium, you know, is influenced by Crock-head Sebek who, being an alley gator, wants to consume the fruits of the vehicle of whatever influenced Ankh.

The third third, as depicted in the picture, is as yet unidentified, unless I missed someone. It is not dom, because dom has testified to the fact that he does the work. So, regardless of certain positions he takes from time to time, he does not assume the stance of defilement of The Lamp of the Invisible Light, that he cannot see, because he can tell the difference between P. and demon C.

But since trouble always comes in threes, your pic has tested positive for archetypal accuracy. Let's keep an eye out for number three.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

[djedi posts a pic]

I don't think dom is part of a gang of three who are attempting to assassinate (hashishinate) our defenseless icon. I guess they weren't teaching white folks the martial arts when he visited the Orient.

 

I think he's trying to get an emotive reaction out of me i.e 'wind me up'.  

 

However I did recently write in the ' https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/we-dont-need-no-compulsory-education-what/#post-108943   thread that 'there's a fair amount of bullshit in the Commentaries' so I can see why an AC devotee would mistakenly think I'm an AC/Thelema hater.  

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Posted by: @dom

However I did recently write in the ' https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/we-dont-need-no-compulsory-education-what/#post-108943   thread that 'there's a fair amount of bullshit in the Commentaries' so I can see why an AC devotee would mistakenly think I'm an AC/Thelema hater.  

I think you're being a little over-the-top here, dom. It was just a cartoon. I didn't think the poster was thereby intending to depict you as a Crowley-hater. Nor do I think that he is an "AC devotee".


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I think you're being a little over-the-top here, dom. It was just a cartoon. I didn't think the poster was thereby intending to depict you as a Crowley-hater. Nor do I think that he is an "AC devotee".

That's good to know Michael.

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I think he's trying to get an emotive reaction out of me i.e 'wind me up'.  

Woah. Don't let my prior attentions narcissize you. I only needed a third assailer for the image, after I thought of the (as @shiva described) much more castigatory @wellreadwellbred and @therealrtc, and you seem lucid enough to understand why I chose you to nibble on AC's digit, there.

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an AC devotee

If I were so zealous, would I have depicted him in such a humorously compromising position?

I'm just trying to lighten the mood via pictorial reductio ad absurdum.

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It was just a cartoon.

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If I were so zealous, would I have depicted him in such a humorously compromising position?

ERROR!  You have never been depicted by me as such a zealot. You have seen beyond the Horizon (Horus Zone), I don't know how or when, so any confusion about you being a zealous defendant are unwarranted. Perhaps I did that mind-mumbling thing.

Maybe we can get Ignant to evoke the true third third of the antagonistic triad to visible appearance. Dom is just an innocent bystander in this Cosmic Drama at The End of Time.

 


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The gratuitous picture of violence is rather disturbing particularly as all the assailants look like the victim, except for skin tone, subjectively defined.......uh oh....no they are all too human, and as AC described, the species at cross purposes to itself...


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Jamie J Barter: "Thank you for therefore agreeing with me well that there are in effect millions of Thelemites around the world (= 'New agers' that have the identical goal of 'Knowing Thyself' and discovering and fulfilling their life purpose without the aid of The Book of the Law).  You may therefore adjust your belief (system) accordingly (and 'you are most welcome' to do so...)" [...]

your original point (now disproved, see above) was that

"this Thelema appears to have failed sorely with respect to its number[-s] of "mere" [self-identified] adherents or "mere" [self-identified] devotees,now over a Century after its prophet Aleister Crowley started writing its sacred scriptures." ?"

 

According to the late AC the secret chiefs considered "the present danger to mankind so great that they are prepared to abandon their traditional policy of silence, in order to enlist in their ranks the profane of every nation." Also according to the late AC, they entrusted him with Thelema "... which can be accepted by the whole human race." 

(Source: Magick Without TearsChapter VIII [= 8]: The Three Schools of Magick (3), by Aleister Crowley - - - https://hermetic.com/crowley/magick-without-tears/mwt_08

Within Keith Readdy's book One Truth and One Spirit Aleister Crowley's Spiritual Legacy, the following is mentioned:

"... it is important to say that the idea of self-initiation is not affinitive (= closely related or associated) with how the Great Order functions (page 290).", "our core mission of making Initiation into Thelema accessible and operational [...] (page 291)", "the two orders are one Order. The A.'.A.'. working on the inner plane, and the O.T.O. working on the oute plane (page 292).", the Secret Chiefs "... chose the person best suited at the right time to lead the two orders (page 300).", and "Gunther expresses a great deal of enthusiasm going forward: [...] I think what we see now is a period of great success before us." 

Hmmmm, why is a senior instructor of A.'.A.'. in the self-identified "Great Order" authorized by the Secret Chiefs (see quotes about this Order above), which presents itself as working both on the inner and outer plane, in line with the secret chiefs, that entrusted Aleister Crowley with Thelema, talking about "... a period of great success before us.", if there are already "in effect millions of Thelemites around the world"???

Has he and his Great Order not been informed about this by the aforementioned extremely knowledgeable Secret Chiefs???


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That making Initiation into Thelema accessible and operational  is a core mission of this Great Order, but the idea of self-initiation is not affinitive (= closely related or associated) with how this Great Order functions, might indicate that it would not be be accommodating to any notion[-s] about there already being "in effect millions of Thelemites around the world"??


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

That making Initiation into Thelema accessible and operational  is a core mission of this Great Order,

Rather than quoting this or that passage, wellreadwellbred, could you please say in your own words what you consider "Initiation into Thelema" is?


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

According to the late AC the secret chiefs considered "the present danger to mankind so great that they are prepared to abandon their traditional policy of silence, in order to enlist in their ranks the profane of every nation." Also according to the late AC, they entrusted him with Thelema "... which can be accepted by the whole human race." 

It doesn't matter which book this was written in. It only matters that this is AC operating in OTO mode, which is the application of spiritual force to material ends. It assumes the existence of certain "secret chiefs," which is in the "Aiwass" department of scrutiny. We all want our leaders' advisors to be adepts of the highest, most benevolent kind. This is a pitch for a one-world gov, which is commonly called The New World Order (as introduced by Pres Bush Jr).

A one-world gov would be ideal ... if and when 51% of the incarnated dorks have been converted to their Binah self. Even then, the 49% of unconverted dorks may cause problems. Until such time as world leaders are selfless, or will at least listen to their selfless advisors and act accordingly, the world is not ready for a one-world gov.

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Within Keith Readdy's book One Truth and One Spirit Aleister Crowley's Spiritual Legacy, the following is mentioned:

This re-source is suspect, because this source is the major trumpet source and external voice of The One True Order and All the Rest of Us are Fakirs. Which is to say, "This source is influenced by sectarian, exclusive interests."

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Hmmmm, why is a senior instructor of A.'.A.'. in the self-identified "Great Order" authorized by the Secret Chiefs ... a period of great success before us.", if there are already "in effect millions of Thelemites around the world"???

You ask why? I will tell you. They count Thelemites as dues-paying members. Jamie suggested a "Thelemite" was someone seeking/doing their Will without formal One True Order affiliation.

Personally, I think there are millions who are interested in discussing expanded self-awareness, but they don't do the work hard enough. They may be considered "Advanced Humanity," but not Thelemites.

There are probably hundreds of thousands who are doing some form of inner work (as opposed to religious observations), and they might be a couple million or more, and these would be called Probationers in the true sense, and they are only one step away from being a Man of Earth in the formal Thelemic grading system, the Records of which are not kept by The One True Order of Duplexville.

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Has he and his Great Order not been informed about this by the aforementioned extremely knowledgeable Secret Chiefs???

There are no mysterious Secret Chiefs. When seven sit in unity, they synchronize with the septenate. So there's archetypal synchrony with all manner of sevens. No, they have not been so informed. They are not interested in heretical, self-propelled stars; they are exclusive; they recognize those who sign up and support the duplexity; the rest of us are Fakirs.

 


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Hmmmm, why is a senior instructor of A.'.A.'. in the self-identified "Great Order" authorized by the Secret Chiefs (see quotes about this Order above), which presents itself as working both on the inner and outer plane, in line with the secret chiefs, that entrusted Aleister Crowley with Thelema, talking about "... a period of great success before us.", if there are already in effect millions of Thelemites around the world"???

Because, being (arguably) a greedy bastard, he was thinking in terms of the (even) higher millions, rather than the lower millions of which there already are?

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That making Initiation into Thelema accessible and operational  is a core mission of this Great Order, but the idea of self-initiation is not affinitive (= closely related or associated) with how this Great Order functions, might indicate that it would not be be accommodating to any notion[-s] about there already being "in effect millions of Thelemites around the world"??

It might well. (Or even: it might, Well.)  It would all depend though on whether you really believe this is actually a true manifestation of The GrateGreat Order (in duplicitous duplex form), and how much "Authority" the apparently anonymous "senior instructor" you quote from being within it has.  Do you in fact believe him/her/them, then? And, leaving aside your quotes, are you yourself trying to put forward a (independent) case for discounting those self-initiated in terms of my estimation of there being millions of "de facto" (as distinct from "de jure") Thelemites active around the planet?

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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Do you in fact believe him/her/them, then?

You are asking a personal and pointed question. Such obvious bringing the candidate into a point can be dangerous. Sometimes the explode when asked a direct and honest question. Others may continue to quote authorities everywhere.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

You are asking a personal and pointed question. Such obvious bringing the candidate into a point can be dangerous. Sometimes the explode when asked a direct and honest question.

Although I hadn't read it before then, it would also actually have been implied by your own independent assessment of the situation, namely

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This re-source [to which wrwb is referring] is suspect, because this source is the major trumpet source and external voice of The One True Order and All the Rest of Us are Fakirs. Which is to say, "This source is influenced by sectarian, exclusive interests."

Given that, asking that "direct and honest question" was logically just the next step. (n.b., not The Next Step, as publicised and promulgated by A.C.)

So, still waiting for the relevant answer/ explosion, then...

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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

So, still waiting for the relevant answer/ explosion, then...

But will it come first ... or will The End prevail, saving the need to make a choice?


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