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27/09/2020 12:07 pm  

Below is from the foreword of Liber AL.

 

Tell me, does this not apply directly to the present (necessary/unnecessary?)  Draconian restrictions that are dealing with the latest strain of the flu virus (i..e Covid19) which may, the way things are going economically lead to 1930s like street soup- kitchens in our major Western cities to keep the new masses and masses of homeless and unemployed from starving to death?    

 

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Democracy dodders.

Ferocious Fascism, cackling Communism, equally frauds, cavort crazily all over the globe.

They are hemming us in.

They are abortive births of the Child, the New Aeon of Horus.

Liberty stirs once more in the womb of Time.

Evolution makes its changes by anti-Socialistic ways (i..e presumably anti state-inteference not necessarily rights for all ~ david/ Dom) . The “abnormal” man who foresees the trend of the times and adapts circumstance intelligently, is laughed at, persecuted, often destroyed by the herd; but he and his heirs, when the crisis comes, are survivors.

Above us today hangs a danger never yet paralleled in history. We suppress the individual in more and more ways. We think in terms of the herd. War no longer kills soldiers; it kills all indiscriminately. Every new measure of the most democratic and autocratic govenments is Communistic in essence. It is always restriction. We are all treated as imbecile children. Dora, the Shops Act, the Motoring Laws, Sunday suffocation, the Censorship— they won’t trust us to cross the roads at will.

Fascism is like Communism, and dishonest into the bargain. The dictators suppress all art, literature, theatre, music, news, that does not meet their requirements; yet the world only moves by the light of genius. The herd will be destroyed in mass.

The establishment of the Law of Thelema is the only way to preserve individual liberty and to assure the future of the race.

In the words of the famous paradox of the Comte de Fénix— The absolute rule of the state shall be a function of the absolute liberty of each individual will.

All men and women are invited to cooperate with the Master Therion in this, the Great Work.

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28/09/2020 9:31 pm  
Posted by: @dom

does this not apply directly to the present (necessary/unnecessary?)  Draconian restrictions ... ?

Yes it does. There is a medical viewpoint and there is a social viewpoint. That is where the necessary/unnecessary factor comes in.

Crowley's (O.M.'s) Foreword is something I have read countless times. He essentially shoots down all known forms of government (just like he likes to shoot down all forms of religion, except Taoism) in favor of The Law of Thelema

That Law is a philosophical concept. It does not provide structural details for extending the Law into a global civilization, except in a magickal and military way, which is higher plane stuff, but not society. 

So The Grand Master Baphomet, an esoteric Freemason of the higher calling and degree, the bearer of the secret key of the ancient mysteries, which is sexual magick, stepped in to provide the scaffolding for a plan to raise humanity above petty politics. He defined it as "aristocratic communism."

I am currently finishing up an Appendix for Hot Zones devoted to The OTO Constitution of 1917. So my mind is running along those lines. This system has not worked out well and when applied, it seems to lead to the same evils as are found in any other political or religios structure. This aristocratic communism system looks pretty good on paper, but it neglects the human factor that cannot resist temptation for sex, power, and gold.

As a political system, the Baphomet version of OTO will only work out if there is work required in order to earn advancement. Personally, I see nothing wrong with a naturally-skilled, or previously self-trained, person from buzzing through a grade, or skipping a degree, as long as they can pass the test. In Academia, these are known as challenge examinations. All historical forms, with their many revisions, indicate advancement by favoritism.

The present OTO is based on a legal corporate constitution and thus is not a subject of my comments, mainly because I have no idea what the current constitution is like, but I must imagine and conclude that some basic changes have been made from the archaic documents under consideration.

Everybody knows the secret of the IX*, but let me give you the final, ultimate, supreme secret that underlies and upholds all the historical OTO Constitutions: There are two primary factors involved in everything. They are both yin and yang, obviously outgoing and incoming, with these two factors perfectly balanced under the semi-visibility of a dangling sexual carrot. In the plainest possible English language, these are those two commandments ...

The OHO personally approves or denies everything
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28/09/2020 11:32 pm  

Sweden; no masks, no social distancing no government-instigated rerun of the Great Depression and no hospitals burdened with Covid19 cases..    Maybe that's the way to go i.e. herd immunity a natural mass vaccine, get everyone infected naturally and therefore attain mass immunity and subsequently there is less of a chance of putting the vulnerable in peril?  The latter should be isolated not everyone else.  That is Thelema i.e Darwinism as AC said (a few times in The Comment) "christians to the lions".  That sounds callous and fascistic but I don't think it is.

 

Normal flu has always  "killed" thousands in any one year i.e. dying people contract flu but flu didn't kill them.   Likewise Covid19.   Maybe the figures are not what they seem.

Crowley's derisive use of the term "socialism" in the OP  means dumb patronizing government- interference and a denial of the laws of Nature.  The present minority of nutters marching against the lockdown will pretty much be joined by the rest of society before Xmas I'd say.  In the UK, Conservative MP.s are getting sick of Johnson bringing in lockdown measures with no parliamentary consultation.  I tested positive for the virus I was a little bit ill for a week then fine. Most people are likely to be asymptomatic anyway. 

 

How much longer are governments going to dole out millions of dollars etc for locked-down indolent workers and small business people?   Is everyone going to be unemployed like the 1930s where the government or charities feed the newly-made destitute masses in the street with soup twice a day?    If Swedish hospitals are inundated with Covid cases and their health syatem collapse the way Italy did in March /April then yeah this is just a rant, we'll see. 

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28/09/2020 11:53 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Sweden

has COVID-19 death rates rivalling those of USA and Brazil...

Higher even than Airstrip One/Borisland, i believe.

COVID-19 is about to reach the 2,000,000 killed worldwide mark; flu hasn't done that since the end of WW I.

Sensible governments will continue to shell out money to sustain their citizens until this health emergency is over, since many/most folks can't go to work until it's over.

Your right-wing government, and mine, most likely won't (though Boris has been more generous to the UK working class by far than his USA hairsake (is that the correct term for someone with the same hair, like "namesake" for folks with the same name?) has been to US workers.


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29/09/2020 12:39 am  

Half of Sweden’s deaths occurred in care homes i.e. they messed up there like the British did.  All of Europe has recently experienced sharp increases in infection rates but Sweden hasn't. 

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29/09/2020 12:52 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

COVID-19 is about to reach the 2,000,000 killed worldwide mark; flu hasn't done that since the end of WW I.

Can this be correct, when all of the publicity emanating from the John Hopkins University (etc) is pointing to a one million figure (which is bad enough)?  What is your source here, ignant?

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29/09/2020 12:56 pm  

Fatigue and/or stupidity?

Sorry, of course you are correct and the correct figure is ONE, and not yet two, million. Flu still hasn't done that since WW I, and of course the number climbs every day. Probably won't hit two million til March or so.

As the late Senator Proxmire said of spending, a million here, a million there, pretty soon you're talking a serious number of deaths.


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29/09/2020 8:51 pm  

It might be noteworthy to observe that these "million" figures are when a patient dies of anything, and Covid is suspected, it gets tagged a +positive. Also, the entire chain of patient custody will tend to check the Covid box in relation to death, because they get extra funding from the universal pandemic allocation bureaucracy.

On the other hand, be it right or left, the people who die already have some known or unknown condition that craps out completely when overwhelmed by the unusually high immune system response. So it's not unfair to check the Covid box, because if this little bugger hadn't gotten in one of the respiratory portals, the patient would still be living.

 


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It might be noteworthy to observe that these "million" figures are when a patient dies of anything, and Covid is suspected, it gets tagged a +positive. Also, the entire chain of patient custody will tend to check the Covid box in relation to death, because they get extra funding from the universal pandemic allocation bureaucracy.

 

Yes is what I said.   Dying people contract flu and/or Covid.  The media will do anything to viciously maintain itself via the instigation of mass hysteria.  Once folks slowly understand that the Great Depression mark 2 is underway we will have mass protests.  Until then we have all of the people some of the time.   I dunno in crisis situations the word "communism" tends to return so the dumb Establishment is shooting itself in the foot.

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30/09/2020 1:21 pm  

All this money that governments are doling out for their newly made locked down unemployed is running out apparently.  Maybe we could tax those 32 individuals (or was it 22) who own 90% of the world's money.

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I can't dispute with this.  Crowley as always, hits the nail on the head.


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01/10/2020 8:02 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Evolution makes its changes by anti-Socialistic ways (i..e presumably anti state-inteference not necessarily rights for all ~ david/ Dom) .

Thank you for your enlightened commentary to A.C.'s Introduction, david/Dom.  May we be able to expect some more pearls to come?

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That is Thelema i.e Darwinism as AC said (a few times in The Comment) "christians to the lions".  That sounds callous and fascistic but I don't think it is.

That'll do. 

As OP then, please explain or expound in a few lines what you do think it is (i.e., what A.C. means/ sounds, and how you think it might not be callous and/or fascistic), and exactly where he states "Thelema [is] christians to the lions" (i.e.= religious or cultural genocide) - especially whereabouts so "a few times" in The Comment itself (which as we all know is only a few lines long).

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01/10/2020 11:50 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

he states "Thelema [is] christians to the lions"

You have failed to Capitalize the Capital C in Christians.  The lions don't need a Capital. Once I get elevated from Arch-B to Card #1, I'll spend church funds to promote a project on Capitalism.

 


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exactly where he states "Thelema [is] christians to the lions" (i.e.= religious or cultural genocide) - especially whereabouts so "a few times" in The Comment itself (which as we all know is only a few lines long).

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New Comment  https://hermetic.com/legis/new-comment/chapter-ii

2:21   Third paragraph

2:49   First paragraph

2:59   Very first line.

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New Comment

I am glad you seem to have spent at least some of the hours intervening productively searching for sources (and to have come up with several such sterling stirring examples), david?Dom.  Splendid!

You seem to have meant "New" Comment rather than "The" Comment, then: I'm glad we've managed to get that sorted out.  You had me worried there for a moment.

You are even proofreading a little better than you used too, to.

But... you have left the first half of the equation paragraph completely unattacked:

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

As OP then, please explain or expound in a few lines what you do think it is (i.e., what A.C. means/ sounds, and how you think it might not be callous and/or fascistic)

Nor is it revealed if you have ever read any Crowley biographies other than the one by C. Wilson?...

We now edifyingly hear from our sponsor resident grammar nazi expert and Grand ArchProofReader Supreme (which really ought properly have been addressed to you, Dom/david, as its originator here rather than me):

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You have failed to Capitalize the Capital C in Christians. 

What the hell!?

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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

What the hell!?

Yes, christians is properly spelled Christians, as all words pertaining to God, his Sun, and probably Abe, Yesu, and Moe. The spell-checker widget-demon even says so.

thank god, christ, and moe that it's only a minor infraction, not punishable by any law in any first word [sick] country, because I do it all the time. A loT!  I catch such infractions ninety-three percent of the time with my poor proof-reading skills. The 7% that gets through to printed letters or digital display is the source of all evil in the world, and I am working on it, like hercules ... in the, you know, stables.


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03/10/2020 7:39 am  

 

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@jamiebarter

But I don't appreciate the religions of the Old Aeon so by leaving out the capital letter I mock them y'know like in Liber Al.  It's a habit I picked up from Genesis Orridge.

Jamie I have read the Regardie bio.  That's all I need the Wilson one and the Regardie one as why buy three bios?  Look if I buy a bio on e.g. Norman Collier that'll do me why do I need a frickin book shelf of bios on one person?

More later on your questions raised.

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03/10/2020 9:05 am  
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so by leaving out the capital letter I mock them

Oh, in that case, forget I mentioned the C/c subject.

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why do I need a frickin book shelf of bios on one person?

Indeed. I enjoyed The Spirit of Solitude ( 6 vol) and The Great Beast. I perused a couple other, but found them uninteresting. That has been sufficient for my needs.

However, The Great Beast was biased against AC, but at least fairly accurate in the story-line. S.'.S.'. (later dumped out as Confessions) is great), but a lot is left out and other authors sometimes fill-in some very interesting details that others have missed ... or mist-interpreted, or put in their book due to hearsay, which is a heresy in the eye of the reader.

 


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03/10/2020 10:36 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

As OP then, please explain or expound in a few lines what you do think it is (i.e., what A.C. means/ sounds, and how you think it might not be callous and/or fascistic), and exactly where he states "Thelema [is] christians to the lions" (i.e.= religious or cultural genocide) - especially whereabouts so "a few times" in The Comment itself (which as we all know is only a few lines long).

N Joy

Why is herd immunity not fascistic?  If those with underlying conditions are protected/isolated then we can get everyone else (most people probably already have the virus but are asymptomatic) back to work, college, football matches i..e back to normal.   Now some people like me (i had the virus i was tested) might get a bit of discomfort but i got over it in about a week and was then immune hence 'Christians (christians) to the lions"  

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Western Society was originally designed to favour individual freedom. A government that had limited powers and whose function was to protect the rights of the individual.  Guys like Lock and Mill gave us this. 

I think that AC using the term Communistic in nature is refering to the move from individualistic to collective soviety. Ayan Rand discusses these principles. 

Laws are hemming us in. The individual cannot bring out his full potential .

I will note. Hey AC? Wars have alwsys killed indiscriminately. Armies, either civilized or tribal have done rotton things to the populace. 

He got that wrong.

 

 


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Western Society was originally designed to favour individual freedom. A government that had limited powers and whose function was to protect the rights of the individual.  Guys like Lock and Mill gave us this. 

I think that AC using the term Communistic in nature is refering to the move from individualistic to collective soviety. Ayan Rand discusses these principles. 

Laws are hemming us in. The individual cannot bring out his full potential . 

 

Yeah imagine if someone now nonchalantly  wrote in their bio, as a prank,  that they killed a cat in the name of scientific investigation, the consequences would be massive.  This is a great example of political correctness stifling every aspect of our existences and people's careers have been ruined for it.   Apparently the term 'master bedroom' is sexist so companies who sell beds can no longer use this term. 

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03/10/2020 6:17 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Jamie I have read the Regardie bio.  That's all I need the Wilson one and the Regardie one as why buy three bios?  Look if I buy a bio on e.g. Norman Collier that'll do me why do I need a frickin book shelf of bios on one person?

You don't necessarily have to buy a bio - you might obtain one on a pdf, or could borrow a copy from a library or someone.  The point is to get a wider perspective and different opinions, maybe from an unfamiliar angle (as AC himself recommends in Liber E & elsewhere). You might learn something!

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[...] hence 'Christians (christians) to the lions". [...] That sounds callous and fascistic but I don't think it is.

The implication is that Christians are to be thrown to the lions as in the Roman Coliseum (such was the original reference).  It is certainly callous and if not exactly fascistic, would at least certainly partake of a policy of religious or cultural genocide, as I have earlier remarked.  Are you therefore saying you would be in favour of this?  (And if not, where is the "line drawn" - if any?)

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The implication is that Christians are to be thrown to the lions as in the Roman Coliseum (such was the original reference).  It is certainly callous and if not exactly fascistic, would at least certainly partake of a policy of religious or cultural genocide, as I have earlier remarked.  Are you therefore saying you would be in favour of this?  (And if not, where is the "line drawn" - if any?)

N Joy

So you think that AC actually advocated a revival for Roman- style capital punishment?   Hey he killed his cat for science so maybe you're right (sic).

 

I can't work out if you think it's a load of symbolic(s) or not.

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Why is herd immunity not fascistic?

So-called Herd Immunity is not anything political? It is a biological state wherein 60 to 70% of any given population has been infected and has recovered ... thus they do not go around spreading the disease.

The other 40-30% are NOT immune; they are simply less likely to catch the CoV because fewer people are spreading it around.

"Herd Immunity"{ is one of those "False Facts" in that ...
(1) Those who had it and recovered may get hit with a viral mutation on the next round.
(2) Those who didn't get it can still get it (or it may get them).

The politicizing of herdus immunis is just some notion in someone's mind. It has nothing to do with the vectors of infection, except to alter them to bring more or less illness and death.

Posted by: @q789

Laws are hemming us in. The individual cannot bring out his full potential .

This is correct. Therefore, the individual needs to forget about bringing out his or her potential and turn to the cultivation of wu-wei. Because everything else is doomed to failure. Says so in the book called Anicca ("impermanence").

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

And if not, where is the "line drawn"

The Line is drawn at the Lion part.

There is the Bapho-Lion ...

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There is the Hrumachis two-Lion emblem ...

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There is my ground-based family Coat, in which The Line is clearly drawn ...

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And there is the line of combat, drawn in the dust on the Colosseum floor ...

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Posted by: @dom

I can't work out if you think it's a load of symbolic(s) or not.

It's getting so deep that I'll post just one more pic, then get out'a here ...

This is how to deal with Bulls or Lions ...

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See it happen at ...

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I don't think the 'infection rate' is going up, the testing rate is though.  SHOCK HORROR LATEST NEWS STORY!! 

 

Everyone's got the virus, it's not like some rare virus so the media announces that infection rates are going up but how do they know?  They don't.  It's like testing a 1000 racists for racism , they all are found to be (tested for) what they are i.e racist and we're then told that racism has suddenly shot up.   

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Posted by: @dom

So you think that AC actually advocated a revival for Roman- style capital punishment?

No.

Posted by: @dom

I can't work out if you think it's a load of symbolic(s) or not.

Well what do you think, then?

Posted by: @shiva

Therefore, the individual needs to forget about bringing out his or her potential and turn to the cultivation of wu-wei.

Yes.

See it happen at ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euPiir-uBCI

Holy cow bull! What happened to its horn there (at 0:38-9)?  What had the poor brute ever done to precipitate this (shocking to some) act of seemingly unprovoked aggression towards it?

Posted by: @dom

Everyone's got the virus,

Isn't (wasn't) that the most important and necessary pre-requisite for herd immunity, though? - "Job done"??

Format skewishly yours

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I don't think the 'infection rate' is going up, the testing rate is though.  SHOCK HORROR LATEST NEWS STORY!! 

Um, we (in the Colonies and their territories) watched that LATEST NEWS two or three months ago.

Posted by: @dom

racism has suddenly shot up.

Mixing the plains with the races leads to confusing the planes.

 


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I beg to differ. Each star should seek their true nature,  true potential. Goethe and Nietzsche mention a 'Passion'.

Another perspective of

Doing your true will.

On another note. The concept of Wu-Wei is mentioned in Liber B Magi.

 


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The concept of Wu-Wei is mentioned in Liber B Magi.

I just did a "Find" expedition into and through Liber B for wu, wei, and wu-wei. There are no such heathen words in the B-book.

Perhaps you mean the concept or characteristics of wu-wei are described or alluded to, in English, in that Liber? This may be the case. I have neither memorized said book, nor searched it for what you are describing, so you might be right (in English).

Since this concept of "doing without effort" is described in Liber AL, in English, without copyright attribution or "fair usage" deflection,  I suppose we should expect to see it from time to time in the lesser Libers.

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I beg to differ.

It is uncertain which point(s) you are begging about. There have been several statements up the line to which you might beg. It helps when you first embed a quote of the heresy to which you have alternative views.

 

 


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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lift-coronavirus-curbs-and-go-for-herd-immunity-urges-coalition-of-scientists-3599v25n3

An international group of scientists have signed an open letter supported by 44,000 members of the general public calling for lockdown to be ended in favour of a herd immunity strategy.

Titled the Great Barrington Declaration after the US town where it was written, it says that those who are not vulnerable “should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal” and that maintaining any lockdown policies would cause irreparable harm.

In the news today a diverse group of scientists (as oppose to the small circle of idiots who have been feeding info to the governments)  are writing to governments to get everyone back to work etc and attain to herd immunity. 

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@dom

 

Apparently the numbers have just about quadrupled in just one day. 

 

https://gbdeclaration.org/#read

 

Medical & Public
Health Scientists

4,888

Medical
Practitioners

9,274

General
Public

128,400

 

 


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08/10/2020 7:20 pm  

They can't even get "Me Doctors" to sign in any substantial numbers, fewer than 5,000 "medical and public health scientists" (or essentially zero for a worldwide petition), and 128,400 ordinary folks in the whole world (pop. 7.8 billion)?

Can you say "fringe nut-bar cuckoo-pants silly people"? i thought you could!

This attempt to revive the "Woo-Woo Ideas about COVID" thread won't fly, kids.


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Yer prolly right but I am interested to see where it goes.  

I don't have a horse in any race because I don't know shinola. 

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08/10/2020 9:21 pm  
Posted by: @dom

In the news today

I'm still interested in reading your explanation/justification, david/Dom, of your earlier remark and your response to my query below:

Posted by: @jamiejbarter
Posted by: @dom

Everyone's got the virus,

Isn't (wasn't) that the most important and necessary pre-requisite for herd immunity, though? - "Job done"??

I'd also be interested in reading Shiva's explanation/justification of posting the following:

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

This is how to deal with Bulls or Lions ...

See it happen at ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euPiir-uBCI

Holy cow bull! What happened to its horn there (at 0:38-9)?  What had the poor brute ever done to precipitate this (shocking to some) act of seemingly unprovoked aggression towards it?

Just sweeping up

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08/10/2020 10:03 pm  
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They can't even get "Me Doctors" to sign in any substantial numbers, fewer than 5,000 "medical and public health scientists" (or essentially zero for a worldwide petition), and 128,400 ordinary folks in the whole world (pop. 7.8 billion)?

Can you say "fringe nut-bar cuckoo-pants silly people"? i thought you could!

This attempt to revive the "Woo-Woo Ideas about COVID" thread won't fly, kids.

The asthmatics, the obese, those on immunosuppressants, the very old and frail, those who have had pneumonia recently....etc....get them to shelter...everyone else who just gets a cold when the virus gets in them...get them back into work and restaurants and soccer matches etc.   All we are saying is give rationality a chance.   

See Sweden.  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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08/10/2020 10:08 pm  
Posted by: @dom

See Sweden.  

Thats a 'trigger' word.

 

They will say, look at the deaths.

 

Fact is death rate is slowing down and case rate is up.

 

It used to be flatten the curve to save lives. stay at home the hospitals will be overrun (never really happened).

Then it was just a few more weeks, we have more cases (yes because more testing, which is faulty)

Now it's, I will lock you down when and where I want to, see Victoria AUS, now NYC,  or London Calling.  NO justification. 

Its cases its not illnesses.

I don't want any of our friends , families, or venerable members here to die but the science is not supporting the political movements. 

 

PERHAPS I am wrong but so far the data is saying otherwise.  

But who is to say when the data is being skewed on both sides.

The earth in 2020 sucks. 

 


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08/10/2020 10:11 pm  

And once again what does this have to do with Thelema?  

Is this a fresh fever from the skies? 

 

Not SKY news. Yes I used to live 'abroad'

 


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08/10/2020 10:11 pm  
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Posted by: @dom

Everyone's got the virus,

Isn't (wasn't) that the most important and necessary pre-requisite for herd immunity, though? - "Job done"??

I think the infection rate is higher than what the media say it is and most people who test negative are immune because they had it in the past and recovered with no alarming symptoms.   Does that answer your question? 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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08/10/2020 10:22 pm  
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The asthmatics, the obese, those on immunosuppressants, the very old and frail, those who have had pneumonia recently....etc....get them to shelter.

"The obese" are 42% of Americans, asthmatics about 8-10%, diabetics 10.5%, those over 60 about 16%. Of course there's lots of overlap among those very high-risk groups.

78% of Americans over 55 have one or more chronic health conditions; that's 55 million people right there.

Gonna need some pretty big shelters.


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08/10/2020 10:27 pm  
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Posted by: @dom

The asthmatics, the obese, those on immunosuppressants, the very old and frail, those who have had pneumonia recently....etc....get them to shelter.

"The obese" are 42% of Americans, asthmatics about 8-10%, diabetics 10.5%, those over 60 about 16%. Of course there's lots of overlap among those very high-risk groups.

78% of Americans over 55 have one or more chronic health conditions; that's 55 million people right there.

Gonna need some pretty big shelters.

Hey what are you saying?  Burger and glucose-addicted folk who can't be bothered to work up a sweat and burn the glucose off now and again are heading for the way of the dinosaur?  

 

I hear that a virus (not an asteroid) ended the dominance of our lizard ancestors. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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08/10/2020 10:40 pm  
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I think the infection rate is higher than what the media say it is and most people who test negative are immune because they had it in the past and recovered with no alarming symptoms.   Does that answer your question? 

Not really.  That the infection rate is "higher than what the media say" is entirely different from your earlier assertion that "[E]veryone's got the virus".  And just because "most people who test negative are immune because they had it in the past and recovered" doesn't mean at all to say they mightn't catch it again a second (or third, fourth...) time down the road or that Covid doesn't just simply mutate to a stronger strain.  Which of course if so would completely trash the whole concept of any so-called 'herd immunity'. (Not to mention possibly large swathes of humanity in the process too).

Trying to remain cheerfully yours,

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08/10/2020 10:51 pm  
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Not really.  That the infection rate is "higher than what the media say" is entirely different from your earlier assertion that "[E]veryone's got the virus".  And just because "most people who test negative are immune because they had it in the past and recovered" doesn't mean at all to say they mightn't catch it again a second (or third, fourth...) time down the road or that Covid doesn't just simply mutate to a stronger strain.  Which of course if so would completely trash the whole concept of any so-called 'herd immunity'. (Not to mention possibly large swathes of humanity in the process too).

Trying to remain cheerfully yours,

N Joy

Prepare for possible mutation?  Yeah of course but how can we prepare now when we're in a overly restrictive economic hole?  

 

@christibrany

 

What does this have to do with Thelema?  Read the OP. 

 

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08/10/2020 10:57 pm  
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I hear that a virus (not an asteroid) ended the dominance of our lizard ancestors. 

What's your Deep State Throat source, Dom/david?


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08/10/2020 11:11 pm  
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Posted by: @dom

I hear that a virus (not an asteroid) ended the dominance of our lizard ancestors. 

What's your Deep State Throat source, Dom/david?

So tempted to say "your mother" (for a laugh) but some people are a bit sensitive about such things.  

 

What are the trusted governmental advisory science-team's source?

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08/10/2020 11:17 pm  
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Your mother.

I don't understand.  Your turn to explain now, please.

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08/10/2020 11:21 pm  
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Your mother.

I don't understand.  Your turn to explain now, please.

N Joy

It's an American joke, if you want to make a joke about my mother then go ahead whatever.  

 

T o keep it OT, speculation and analysis is my source. 

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08/10/2020 11:43 pm  

@dom

You have committed the cardinal sin of updating/editing your post while someone (=me) was in the process of responding to your previous version.

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It's an American joke, if you want to make a joke about my mother then go ahead whatever.  

But you're not American, and I don't know your mother. (Is she like you?)

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T o keep it OT

I don't think there's much chance of that - without scrolling back I can't even remember what it was.  What was it all about again?

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speculation and analysis is my source. 

What are you talking about??  This is flannel.  I asked you, quite simply, to state the source from where you got that dinosaurs were wiped out by a virus rather than, as commonly accepted, an asteroid.  Not an incredibly difficult query to answer (or so I would have thought).

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09/10/2020 12:43 am  
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@dom

 

What are you talking about??  This is flannel.  I asked you, quite simply, to state the source from where you got that dinosaurs were wiped out by a virus rather than, as commonly accepted, an asteroid.  Not an incredibly difficult query to answer (or so I would have thought).

N Joy

Oh I misread you.  Here;

https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/59/5/446/297679

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6foKZYiBBw

 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/disease-and-the-demise-of-the-dinosaurs-122975049/

 

https://www.hivplusmag.com/treatment/2016/8/26/did-hiv-kill-dinosaurs

 

i.e. google "did a virus kill the dinosaurs?"

  

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09/10/2020 2:23 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

This attempt to revive the "Woo-Woo Ideas about COVID" thread won't fly, kids.

No fecal matter. 

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Just sweeping up

Keep sweeping.

Posted by: @dom

get them back into work and

How about getting this thread back to something Crowley-related?

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What does this have to do with Thelema?  Read the OP. 

Oh, crappola with orange juice. You mentioned Crowley once and have been runnibg your brain mouth keyboard on nothing but your ideas about the virus, which is about the same percentile as the Vision Quest understanding.

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speculation and analysis is my source. 

No comment.

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But Posted by: @dom

T o keep it OT

I don't think there's much chance of that

But it's such fun visiting the inmates in the asylum. Be sure to wear your Haz-Mat suit, because masks don't protect the innocent. They only slow down the viral ouput from the gulty's respiratory system. Sometimes they tear their masks off in the Farm. Haz-Mat, lo less!

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where you got that dinosaurs were wiped out by a virus

There must be a source, because I've read that one. It's all speculation ... not a lot of anal-isis. There are many theories. I like the one where the Big Lizzes and Humanoid Peoples lived and fought together each other. Source: Film: Jurassic Park. Film: One Million, BC.

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