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Posted by: @q789

I note the Liber B Magi section 0 

Refers to Idappaccayatā

Let's see ...

"0. Yet the Magus hath power upon the Mother both directly and through Love. And the Magus is Love, and bindeth together That and This in His Conjuration." - Liber B

Um, I canna (n't) see your funny word, or even the wu-wei (which is invisible, but I still looked).

Posted by: @q789

I am at a loss with sections 19 and 20.

"19. And woe, woe, woe, yea woe, and again woe, woe, woe unto seven times be His that preacheth not His law to men!"

Chokmah is Yang. It requires external action. Some Magi don't want to go on the Evangelical Journey. They are warned here that it will be unpleasant if they refuse to preach.

This goes back to my post of a few moons ago, wherein I disclosed the supreme secret, and that covers why a Magus might want to balk.

"20. And woe also be unto Him that refuseth the curse of the grade of a Magus, and the burden of the Attainment thereof."

If a Magister is told to stop being Silent and encouraged to take to the streets with a megaphone or a magazine, he better do it or he will become (insert your own bad word).

 

So, I cannot find the funny word or the way to woo. 19 & 20 seem simple enough in plain flat English. Have I mixed the numbers? Are we talking about the same Liber? Please enunciate.

 


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Shiva,

 

Upon reading your words i realised what he was saying,  i was looking too deep.

I recant my Wu Wei suggestion as this refers to a warning

I believe that section 0 refers to the 'this that' concept.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Q789


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So let me get this straight. AC invokes some magick spell, jerks off in a cup, drinks it, writes this drab in Old English under the influence of god knows what combination of drugs...and now 100 years later it's supposed to mean something to us? And cause something in us? Man maybe my job is just to call bullshit on this entire charade. What a crock. When was this garbage written?

https://sacred-texts.com/oto/lib1.htm


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Posted by: @elitemachinery

...and now 100 years later it's supposed to mean something to us?

Oh, it has always made (some) sense to me. It is a Class A doodad that explains Chokmah. Such things never make (much) sense to the human mind. The final secrets about the End of the Path are described. What else do you want?

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Man maybe my job is just to call bullshit on this entire charade.

You seem to be cranked-up sideways today. I would not agrue with you about ALL of this being in a crock, but this doc may come in handy for you in a few annums or deadents.


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Posted by: @shiva

Oh, it has always made (some) sense to me. It is a Class A doodad that explains Chokmah. Such things never make (much) sense to the human mind. The final secrets about the End of the Path are described. What else do you want?

Class A? Oh well I get an F for the day.

Perhaps 1% of Crowley's work is worth it's salt in our present day world. We'll see I guess. Maybe I'll change my mind. The man was clearly a professional idiot or savant. And an asshole. But aren't all Thelemites assholes? Well yes they are and that includes me I guess.

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You seem to be cranked-up sideways today. I would not agrue with you about ALL of this being in a crock, but this doc may come in handy for you in a few annums or deadents.

Yes i'm a bit feisty today. No dis-respect intended. It makes perfect non-sense to me. Another riddle. If you're the Magus speak up...or don't speak up. If they tell you to shut up shut up but then speak up. FFS. Well I just did. But I'm clearly no Magus. Nor am I interested in becoming one.

AC is the last person who should be advising us on political ideals.

Tune in turn on drop out.

Do what thou wilt!


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Posted by: @elitemachinery

Oh well I get an F for the day.

No you don't. Your under an Oath of Chastity, which will get you a C.

You know how these Class A docs go, right? Sometimes they have these coded messages in them, or maybe a number puzzle. I have seen Class A stuff channeled in perfect English, without the need to inert ?s all over the place.

This all has to do with the concept of "Protecting the Secrets from the Profane," and while it was cautionary in the dark times, today everything is revealed ... by Crowley ... whose abstract mind still filters information through the ancient, secret society spin to cause headaches.

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Perhaps 1% of Crowley's work is worth it's salt in our present day world.

I adopted the same heresy in 1984, the year of Big Brother. But then when students came knocking, I had no curriculum for them but martial arts, The A.'.A.'., and OTO.

OTO had not quite become (c) yet, but not far away. That didn't matter because I swore off OTO in 1972, promising myself to not repeat the error.

So I used the A.'.A.'. curriculum, because it works. As far as I'm concerned, that, plus the Class Ds (practices) might be the 1% you mention.

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If they tell you to shut up shut up but then speak up.

Um, here it is in plain Southern California Pasadena lingo...

Binah, the boudoir of the Magister Templi, has as it's key word: SILENCE. This is a very abstract realm. It is maintained by SILENCE. Mental Silence. No thoughts. No ideas. No forms.

In the Outer Order (you were there - DOME), the aspirants are ALWAYS running their minds and their brains. You know how you have to yell in those rituals and mumble the words of the Mantra? This is pushy, yang stuff. Forward March to take Heaven by storm ... or at least haste.

In the Inner Order (I speak of the real deal, not the temples on the physical plane where important high-up Adepts gather after chasing out the Outer Orderers), one only progresses though passivity or receptionism. This is all done to quiet, the mind, and as it (the mind) slows down (in measurable brainwave frequency) one gets to visit the inner planes, resulting in a library card to the Akashic Records at 7=4.

The next step (Binah) is accomplished by stopping the Mind. Of course the whole concept of a mind does not stop. Something keeps the heart beating. But the word-mind, where we have a voice or two running non-stop all day. And the movie theater that shows pictures, even archetypes. These two must have their switches flicked. This is the "shut up" you referred to. It gets you to Binah - Yin.

Then, every now and again, a Magister gets tagged to go Yang. He (maybe She) moves over to the Chokmah Bed & Lunch Emporium. Now the 9=2 doodad is emblazoned upon your brow. Here comes the Evangelist. If he's playing by Crowley's Book of Rules, he must evangelize, promote, or reveal Thelema - the Word of the Aeon - to keep in sync with the current 93 current. This is the part where you must speak up, or write a book, or storm a government agency with an empty hand. My Word is AGAPE, which is nicely synced with Thelema, but I [oh, no shit, gasp, shriek] changed the curriculum. During the Hot Zone known as the Atomic Age (AA)(Atomic is based on Atmic, an adjective that gets Atma involved), I had the burning tip of a Tibetan Empowerment lineage brought right to my Seat in the East (that's a flowery expression). worked my way up to the level of Initiator, which happens to be the 9th degree.

Oh, look. I just wrote all this crap, with (some) real pictures, not cartoons, but a lot of them, in full color on handmade expensive photo-suitable paper. While your waiting to get your hands on ALL those Crowley books, that are, according to expert opinion, 99% worthless, do I need to  send you a copy by wire satellite? It is the whole ball of wax. It goes post-Crowley. It cites the changes we are now experiencing, and their abstract cause.

I am now, today and for the past 3 months or so, preparing a new Epistle for Apostles. It reveals the true nature of the Aeons, and even a simpleton will agree it is true. It quietly discredits the 2,000 Aeon theorem. It addresses the conclusion of the duel. You know, Horus and Unky Set. It lays out the geography and qualities of life beyond the next pylon, the final gate. And this will be Appendix IV of the bigger book that describes the Hot Zones of ... .      which I have promised to offer free of charge (with only 3 years of indentured labor) to readers here at LAShTAL.

If any of my lingo seems to have gone symbolical, I assure you that everything in the above paragraph will become evident with the pdf in your computer. If you cannot read, the (rather higher-level version) pictures will guide you easily enough.

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Nor am I interested in becoming one.

Nobody is. It is thrust upon you. That requires taking up the curse, which is sometimes called a big-mouth or a troublemaker. But you have to become a Magister first. Everybody wants that, because it's involved with, you know, Liberation.

I recently revealed the secret of a Magus. Right here on these threads. Nobody argued about it, so I guess it makes it true <haha>  If you missed it, just let me know.

horus sm 1.14h

 

 


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Tomorrow is election day in the U.S.  I have voted for Donald Trump by absentee ballot.  Democrats and their sub-human rabble will destroy the last great nation on earth.  


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Tomorrow is election day in the U.S.  I have voted for Donald Trump by absentee ballot.  Democrats and their sub-human rabble will destroy the last great nation on earth.  


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Thank you for your idiotic and offensive comments.

It may surprise you to learn that some of us are "Democrats and their subhuman rabble", and that we will be voting against your God-Emperor because we love our country.

If you truly believe the US is "the last great nation on earth", you should get a passport and travel. I mean, as soon as Americans can go to other countries again, after the Trump Pandemic clears a up a bit, and other countries start letting Americans in once more.


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Posted by: @shiva

No you don't. Your under an Oath of Chastity, which will get you a C.

Thanks for your comments and compassion. I will read them in more detail later today. I'm a bit frustrated with lockdown right now. Stuck in a shithole country...USA...for now. I don't care who wins this election just that this lockdown ends and 'we the people' can live semi normal lives again.

America sure as hell aint GREAT right now.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Tomorrow is election day in the U.S.  I have voted for Donald Trump by absentee ballot.  Democrats and their sub-human rabble will destroy the last great nation on earth.  

Please keep the fucking politics out of threads that are not specifically labelled, "Politics."

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America sure as hell aint GREAT right now.

I believe all, or at least most, of the countries are in the same sinking canoe ... with leaks.

You speak as if you are now in the USA. Please state your country of residence (not citizenship).

 


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Posted by: @shiva

You speak as if you are now in the USA. Please state your country of residence (not citizenship).

I'm currently stuck in USA right now. I had to come back temporarily even though I knew i'd be stuck here for some time. I'm tying up a few loose ends and perhaps will never return once I am able to leave. I plan to leave again as soon as I am permitted. I enjoy being an American citizen but I no longer desire to live here in USA. Land of the free is no longer free.


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@shivaThe only sinking boats are in Europe.  America is great right now because we are not bending over to the EU and hopefully never will. If the Democrats win, we will be a socialist wreck like Great Britain. 


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@elitemachineryYou are nuts.  What's not free about the U.S.?  If you want to leave, good riddance.


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Europe is a wreck because it is bending over for the European Union, made up of... the nations of Europe?

You seem very confused, toadstoolwe. How is the weather is Moscow anyway?


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

You are nuts.  What's not free about the U.S.?  If you want to leave, good riddance.

I may be nuts but that's beside the point.

Bye!

Travel restrictions by State:

(this is gonna get worse im afraid..soon u will need a visa to visit another State)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffwhitmore/2020/10/29/united-states-travel-restrictions-by-state/

Minnesota to Require Name Address Phone of Restaurant Patrons:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/michigan-bars-restaurants-will-require-customers-names-and-phone-numbers-starting-monday

Expats live much happier cheaper and freer lives abroad while so-called Patriotic Americans argue about non-sense like Tranny bathrooms and fight in the streets.

I'm sorry sir but I am a proud American but my America only exists in thought and idea these days. Keep working and slaving away to your Chinese masters while I collect social security! 🙂

Here is me saying the Pledge Of Allegiance:

https://youtu.be/06Wf6nRHNCU?t=4667

The promise is "Liberty and Justice for all"

#FAIL

And please! AC could hardly keep a roof over his head in his later life. Don't look to AC for political advice on communism or socialism or what works and what doesn't or how societies need to be structured etc. He was a madman who freed many of us with 'Do What Thou Wilt.' Not a governor or expert in such matters as politcs. He was a divine kook! A dropout!


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@elitemachineryThe Covid hoax has restricted many rights.  That's why we need a leader who will put the people over the quacks who seem to be running things now.  I don't look to Aleister Crowley for "political" leadership, although his insights into politics were and are amazing.  Liberty and justice are for those who deserve it.  It's not and never was a given.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

What's not free about the U.S.?

Sex, drugs, but rock 'n' roll is still free ... if you can hear and somebody else plays the music, or just go to youtuber.

Posted by: @ignant666

How is the weather in Moscow anyway?

It'll be getting cooler these days. Lots of whiteout coming soon.

Posted by: @toadstoolwe

although his insights into politics were and are amazing.

Amazingly stupid and ineffective. His political solution was the OTO Profess House System. It can be made to work, because I did it (with an added twist to ensure it worked). However, AC's OTO was a miserable failure. At the end of his life, his last letter to Germer had a p.s. that read, "The Profess House sysyem will not work. You will have to find some other way to bring in the new age." Then he died.

I guess you're going to keep on with the fucking politics, even though you stated position regarding AC is so far off base you might need to take medication(s).

 

 


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@shivaMedications?  That's a laugh considering the drug use of you Thelemites.  If you hold Aleister Crowley in such scorn, why do you adhere to his philosophy?  Anyway, I have a right to believe whatever I like.  What makes you the final authority on Aleister Crowley?  Crowley hated pomposity and so do I.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

That's a laugh considering the drug use of you Thelemites.

Well, yes, it's a laugh because we often have to remind people whose ball of yarn is unraveling.

"You Thelemites" is delivered with an underhanded twist and you may need to have your Clock cleaned (CC). Here you are, making a separative statement, diving "us" and "you." And you are not even properly informed.

There has been some some very recent discussion about a Post-Thelemic State on some other thread. Maybe you missed it? Maybe you missed the parts (all over the place)  where I do the Post-Thelemic Sermons? Maybe you missed the lecture where Strange Drugs and Tranquilizers are differentiated?

When we recommend taking your meds, it is the calming variety we mean. Well, strange legal drugs may be recommended for people who are not "getting it" in any way ... but they're usually  just confused, but not raving.

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If you hold Aleister Crowley in such scorn, why do you adhere to his philosophy?

No scorn. I cut my teeth on his Class Ds, and I continue to uphold and praise the A.'.A.'. curriculum. There is no scorn. I have merely written the truth. Around here, we don't hold with Crowley Lies, errors, or Misconceptions.

His philosophy is astounding clear in many places, and complicated by his own psychological fantasies.

Me? "Adhere to his philosophy?" Were you asking me that question? Where is it written, by me, that i adhere to his philosophy. You seem to think you're talking to some high-ranking Thelemite, or pretender thereunto. I wonder if you have read a single book of mine? If not, I will pdf you one ... one that is suitable to your misconceptions.

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Anyway, I have a right to believe whatever I like.  What makes you the final authority on Aleister Crowley?  Crowley hated pomposity and so do I.

It's the belief systems that get you cranked about. But, yes, it's your choice.

I am not the final authority on anything, except maybe a medical diagnosis. I used to be, but i gave that up.

In these forums different belief systems clash. It's call "debating." You have already fallen from debating a point to casting person delusions. You have entered the Octagon, and you better have your Clock in your hand, or it won't get properly cleaned.

 


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@shivaI apologize for questioning your profound knowledge of Aleister Crowley.  I am going to read the book:  Aleister Crowley and the temptation of Politics by Paul Marco Acumen.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

Aleister Crowley and the temptation of Politics by Paul Marco Acumen

I think you will do better with the book of the same name by Marco Pasi, published by Acumen Publishing. It is superb. Maybe you will learn something.


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Posted by: @shiva

You know how these Class A docs go, right? Sometimes they have these coded messages in them, or maybe a number puzzle. I have seen Class A stuff channeled in perfect English, without the need to inert ?s all over the place.

I know Crowley does hidden coded stuff in his writings. But this is obviously way over my head and 3 levels deeper than my current levels of comprehension and education.

Posted by: @shiva

This all has to do with the concept of "Protecting the Secrets from the Profane," and while it was cautionary in the dark times, today everything is revealed ... by Crowley ... whose abstract mind still filters information through the ancient, secret society spin to cause headaches.

I understand why he did it. It's frustrating and sometimes feels pointless. I'm too quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Posted by: @shiva

Um, here it is in plain Southern California Pasadena lingo...

Haha that's where i'm from! Duh, ooops you're talking about my dumb ass..:)

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Binah, the boudoir of the Magister Templi, has as it's key word: SILENCE. This is a very abstract realm. It is maintained by SILENCE. Mental Silence. No thoughts. No ideas. No forms.

Ok.

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In the Inner Order (I speak of the real deal, not the temples on the physical plane where important high-up Adepts gather after chasing out the Outer Orderers), one only progresses though passivity or receptionism. This is all done to quiet, the mind, and as it (the mind) slows down (in measurable brainwave frequency) one gets to visit the inner planes, resulting in a library card to the Akashic Records at 7=4.

The closest i've gotten to this is TM (Transcendental Meditation) which is the only thing that has given me some peace and clarity and I still use daily.

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The next step (Binah) is accomplished by stopping the Mind.

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Then, every now and again, a Magister gets tagged to go Yang. He (maybe She) moves over to the Chokmah Bed & Lunch Emporium. Now the 9=2 doodad is emblazoned upon your brow. Here comes the Evangelist. If he's playing by Crowley's Book of Rules, he must evangelize, promote, or reveal Thelema - the Word of the Aeon - to keep in sync with the current 93 current.

Ok now this is making sense. Out of the silence one can be called or compelled to speak. Thank you for the clear explanation.

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Oh, look. I just wrote all this crap, with (some) real pictures, not cartoons, but a lot of them, in full color on handmade expensive photo-suitable paper. While your waiting to get your hands on ALL those Crowley books, that are, according to expert opinion, 99% worthless, do I need to  send you a copy by wire satellite? It is the whole ball of wax. It goes post-Crowley. It cites the changes we are now experiencing, and their abstract cause.

Yes i'm interested. I will gladly order this from lulu or wherever I can get it. I'm in book buying mode. Clearly i'm having a problem with the Olde English texts and need things explained in 20th century dude-speak. I have bought many of your books. Is this book out yet?

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I am now, today and for the past 3 months or so, preparing a new Epistle for Apostles. It reveals the true nature of the Aeons, and even a simpleton will agree it is true.

Sounds like exactly what is needed. For me and others. No one else is even trying to sift thru and explain things. Bravo.

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which I have promised to offer free of charge (with only 3 years of indentured labor) to readers here at LAShTAL.

I've got time. 3 years is nothing!

Posted by: @shiva

If you cannot read, the (rather higher-level version) pictures will guide you easily enough.

Perfect for numskulls like me!

Seriously this is appreciated.

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I recently revealed the secret of a Magus. Right here on these threads. Nobody argued about it, so I guess it makes it true   If you missed it, just let me know.

I missed it. Or if I did read it I don't remember it. Please link to it or repeat it.

Apologies for my asinine behavior.

Thank you for providing some clarity.

 


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Posted by: @elitemachinery

The closest i've gotten to this is TM (Transcendental Meditation) which is the only thing that has given me some peace and clarity and I still use daily.

(Almost) Any (AA) meditation form will work ... as long as it gets you centered, aka balanced, aligned, zeroed, etc.

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Is this book out yet?

I imagined you still in the Oriental Orient with those little people, so I was going to zip you a pdf, but no, you escaped and are trapped again. Oh well ...

https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/frater-shiva/outside-solar-lodge-inside-the-law-hardcover/hardcover/product-196jrpq8.html

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Sounds like exactly what is needed. For me and others. No one else is even trying to sift thru and explain things. Bravo.

Yeah, well, Bravo to M Staley for his Achad research and long interesting thread. I made some comments there, rather long-winded of an epistle, and I put them in my Appendix section in the new book that brings Initiation and Degrees down to Earth. Then, when I started to write it, I never looked back at the original text. It's still there, tailing on the end.

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I missed it.

Oh, okay. Well, AC encountered a "secret" in his Magus initiation. It was so terrible that he wondered how his ancestral Magi Brethren ever got through it. He refused to continue for (some number of) days. Then he either got sick or whipped back into action. But he never revealed what the dreaded "secret" was.

I encountered it a while ago. Then all this rambling made sense. Then I found where he did give away the secret. It was in Liber B, a Class A doc where he was forbidden to lie (hopefully that condition applies, because the Demon Crowley is lurking everywhere) ...

"One is the Magus: twain His forces: four His weapons. These are the Seven Spirits of Unrighteousness; seven vultures of evil. Thus is the art and craft of the Magus but glamour. How shall He destroy Himself?"

Did you like that one? It sets the scene. Here is the ultimate secret revealed. Remove the children, let the dogs go outside ...

"By a Magus is this writing made known through the mind of a Magister. The one uttereth clearly, and the other understandeth; yet the Word is falsehood, and the Understanding darkness. And this saying is Of All Truth."

You see? He is telling us outright that this shit is ALL MADE UP. And people believe in it, and they run around trying to convert other people into believing it too, and it's all illusion in the first place.

I like to clarify this point with my recent Manta, a long one, that I learned from the Dzogchen guys, up in Lhasa and ladies too, they have what are called "consorts." Very Thelemic, but more Buddhist and less Beast. So here ...

There are nine vehicles of liberation.
The lower 8 are all intellectually fabricated.
Only the 9th, the state without concepts, is true.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

(Almost) Any (AA) meditation form will work ... as long as it gets you centered, aka balanced, aligned, zeroed, etc.

My luck has increased tenfold since starting TM in late 2017. The outer physical world has become much more stable in all respects. Gone is the fear and panic that sometimes overtakes me. The meditation is simple and powerful.

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I imagined you still in the Oriental Orient with those little people, so I was going to zip you a pdf, but no, you escaped and are trapped again. Oh well ...

https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/frater-shiva/outside-solar-lodge-inside-the-law-hardcover/hardcover/product-196jrpq8.html

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Yes I have this book. I ordered it months ago but it just came into my possession recently upon my visit to USA. I started reading it two days ago and got through the first two chapters.

If it matters I have the early "Insude the Law" version of the book that will someday be worth millions. So if you added the info in a later edition I may not have everything. But i'm guessing I do.

Posted by: @shiva

Yeah, well, Bravo to M Staley for his Achad research and long interesting thread. I made some comments there

I will find the Achad thread also. I don't follow every thread and disappear from the forums for long stretches.

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You see? He is telling us outright that this shit is ALL MADE UP. And people believe in it, and they run around trying to convert other people into believing it too, and it's all illusion in the first place.

Ok I understand. This is the place I get to when reading stuff written in Olde English from 100 years ago. I start saying to myself,

"This is bullshit. It's all made up. Why are we reading this 100 year old document and making it important when we can just make it all up again and write it in a manner that current day humans can understand?"

So you see I get a bit cynical. But there are lessons to be learned. And my reaction is in part a defensive posture due to lack of understanding. I need to look over everything (all the writings) at least a few times. And grasp the gist. Hence the book buying.

Crowley was a bit of a practical joker too. He could be pulling our leg (or pulling our teeth--dentist speak) at any moment.


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@ignant666 I read the reviews.  Aleister Crowley certainly was a complex character, whose politics seem inconsistent at best.  The Magus who composed the Manifesto, the Rights of Man, Liber OZ, was also an admirer of Adolf Hitler, who he claimed had read Liber AL (via Martha Kunzel) and had been influenced by it.  Hitler read it, and immediately outlawed the O.T.O. throwing Karl Germer into a concentration camp.  (So much for that!)


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Yes; the attempt to appeal to Hitler was after the initial attempt to appeal to Stalin had failed.

Reading the Pasi book, you will learn AC supported pretty much every imaginable political position, often several contradictory ones at the same time. Anyone basing their politics on those of AC is a boob.


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@ignant666 I don't base my politics on Aleister Crowley, but I understand where he was coming from.  Absolute Power is intoxicating.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

America is great right now because we are not bending over to the EU and hopefully never will. If the Democrats win, we will be a socialist wreck like Great Britain. 

Some of your points may be valid. Some may be hallucinatory. But none of them seem to relate to AC or the purpose of this site. Yet you keep running on, and on. If you don't shape up and start making sense, I will call the men in white coats to take you to the Vatican.

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politics seem inconsistent at best.

Aha! You have found the truth of the matter. But it seems like you are basing your observation on "reviews." It's a step in the right direction, but you need to read the source material in order to formulate a firm opinion based your own direct reading.

Yes, AC flip-flopped on how the world should be run, and by who. Essentially, he wanted to run it (the world) and the OTO was supposed to bring it (the world connection)  to his throne. Baphomet (spelled BafometR). Jupiter in Capricorn. It didn't work out.

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was also an admirer of Adolf Hitler, who he claimed had read Liber AL (via Martha Kunzel) and had been influenced by it.  Hitler read it, and immediately outlawed the O.T.O. throwing Karl Germer into a concentration camp.  (So much for that!)

We don't really know that Adolf read it. Germer went to camp for being a Freemason. Crowley later dismissed his "wishful thinking" and cursed Adolf. Flip. Flop.

 


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@ignant666 I just call them like I see them.  I have been to other countries.  No one any where beats the United States.  If you are so miserable, why don't you leave?  As for me, I voted for President Trump.


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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

No one any where beats the United States.  If you are so miserable, why don't you leave?

Yeah, we're at the top of the pyramid. Even pyramids are subject to crumbling. Ignant leaves the country at times. Before he was fully grown he visited Afghan on his way to the Khyber Pass and India. he has vast extraterrestrial extraAmericana experience. He is not miserable. He is at home wherever he might be, even if it means mortal combat. He will correct me if I am in error.

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As for me, I voted for President Trump.

Keep it up. Keep pounding your past achievements in political wisdom up on the Notices board in the central square. Get a megaphone. Keep pounding your political views in a personal struggle on these pages, where a decade from now necromancers can resurrect your views.

 


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@shiva Necromancers will resurrect my views?  Awesome!


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From Liber Legis Foreword;

 

Heru-Ra-Ha, a combination of twin gods, Ra-Hoor-Khuit and Hoor-Paar-Kraat. The meaning of this doctrine must be studied in Magick. (He is symbolized as a Hawk-Headed God enthroned.)

He rules the present period of 2,000 years, beginning in 1904. Everywhere his government is taking root. Observe for yourselves the decay of the sense of sin, the growth of innocence and irresponsibility, the strange modifications of the reproductive instinct with a tendency to become bisexual or epicene,

 

Yes I confess I had to consult a dictionary for the meaning of the word 'epicene'.

 
 
 
epicene
/ˈɛpɪsiːn/
 
adjective
  1. having characteristics of both sexes or no characteristics of either sex; of indeterminate sex.
     

This then does not appear to be about mere lesbian/gay rights but is also inclusive of trans-rights which presently plays out on a battlefield (Aeon of Horus , God of War,  geddit?)  particularly in the Confederate States of the USA were conservative (read as Black Lodge; read as anti- Thelema/RHK) values hold sway. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @dom

Heru-Ra-Ha, a combination of twin gods, Ra-Hoor-Khuit and Hoor-Paar-Kraat.

Oh, no!  Even the guy in the Seat is faced with his own psychological duality. When do we get to someone higher, who is a unity, or a balanced naught?

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This then does not appear to be about mere lesbian/gay rights but is also inclusive of trans-rights

The epicene trance is a state (of consciousness). Extension of this concept to include physical surgery is a violation of the Take What has been Given to You principle.

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particularly in the Confederate States of the USA were conservative (read as Black Lodge; read as anti- Thelema/RHK) values hold sway.

Why are you picking on US? I'm sure you can find lots of deviants, devils, and do-gooders in your own country.

 

 

 


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Posted by: @dom

This then does not appear to be about mere lesbian/gay rights but is also inclusive of trans-rights

The epicene trance is a state (of consciousness). Extension of this concept to include physical surgery is a violation of the Take What has been Given to You principle.

In other words you totally disagree that trans-people and their instinct to surgically change is some sort of Horusian phenomenon?   

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In The New Aeon each star is in charge of their experience free to experiment and change their mind as long as they come to know themselves; beyond the mere straight, gay, lesbian, trans, agenda lies another trance.


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Posted by: @shiva

OTO had not quite become (c) yet, but not far away. That didn't matter because I swore off OTO in 1972, promising myself to not repeat the error.

But if HB (BB) had offered to accept Solar Lodge as a legitimate part of the Order (history), a pioneering effort in difficult times, even - no longer "clandestine" or "irregular" but as a formally recognized unit, would your approach not have been different (and actively more interested) then?

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Ok now this is making sense. Out of the silence one can be called or compelled to speak. Thank you for the clear explanation.

Yes, it's quite simples.

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I don't follow every thread and disappear from the forums for long stretches. ...

So you see I get a bit cynical. But there are lessons to be learned. And my reaction is in part a defensive posture due to lack of understanding. I need to look over everything (all the writings) at least a few times. And grasp the gist. Hence the book buying.

But in doing this you might run the risk of missing out on something of importance/relevance to you (perhaps in relation to your former identity).  Not every thread sticks to the OT, as you must know, and there may be nuggets of apparently unconnected information squirreled away waiting to be discovered which you might not otherwise see.

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In other words you totally disagree that trans-people and their instinct to surgically change is some sort of Horusian phenomenon?   

I believe the word is "Heruvian"?

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In The New Aeon each star is in charge of their experience free to experiment and change their mind as long as they come to know themselves; beyond the mere straight, gay, lesbian, trans, agenda lies another trance.

We've had Shiva speaking (=writing) for you, is this now you writing (=speaking) on Shiva's behalf?!  With all of the profundities hidden away in your posts dang me if it's not getting harder to tell the two of you apart... are you a Magus too? (2?)

Without a single mention of the 'p' word (to do with politics),

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Somehow duplicated the previous post - apologies!

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would your approach not have been different

I don't think so. My rejection was (specifically) of OTO due to the nature and result of the rites it presented. I refer specifically to the I*, II*, III* and VI*. I will address the III* and VI* right now, because both portray the C.'. being capyured and killed. If the rites really take hold, the the C.'. is going to have problems with The Establishment.

In other words, "they" are going to come and capture the C.'., inflicting (at least) restraint. I don't know of anyone who was killed outright, so that takes the wind out of my sails in this confession.

This sentiment was echoed by McM asking RAW, "Why is the Gnosis always getting busted?" So I'm not the only one to note this cause & effect phenomenon.

You may now ask, "So why aren't the current camps and lodges being busted?" This would be due to the fact that OTO, in its historical aspect was a Hot Zone, while somewhere around 1986 it became a Warm Zone. Hot zones never last very long, while Warm Zones go on for a long time. In '86 a new "childe" took the reins. The Constitution was abandoned in favor of an acceptable  non-profit Constitution and By-laws. The profess house system was discontinued. Etc. In fact, today it qualifies as a Cool Zone, which means individual progress is stifled by Guru-Lord domination, with lots rules that cool off the heat.

I just finished proof-reading The Hot Zones of A.'. last night. The distinction is explained therein. The proofing is not complete yet because the next proofer will find the little errors that I never seem able to find (Like Insude the Law on the title page of my most recent publication). Please do not deem this an ad to get folks to buy the book, for it will be available, here, soon, more or less, for free.

In '89, Master M. Motta offered me the Directorship of his Org in California. What an opportunity. Unfortunately, he required absolute obedience, and if he told me to "jump off a cliff," he expected me to do so. This merely cemented my rejection of group endeavor.

It's not so much a rejection of OTO operations, but of group (horizontal expansion) formations. This in favor of vertical (A.'.A.'.) ascent. In '72, I resigned and kept moving on without the interference of a Guru in the member's person lives. I have not looked back since then, and I have not joined or formed any group approach. Group functions, such as ceremonies (and nothing else) have been performed, lots'a times, but only with independent functionaries who temporarily unite for that purpose, then disband with having to pay dues in advanced (no dues due at ny point) or to take orders from someone in charge.

I could go on a lot more, but really, further details won't make it clearer.

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Not every thread sticks to the OT, as you must know, and there may be nuggets of apparently unconnected information squirreled away

This is true. But, you see, Frater Micro has also graduated. He did his time in group dependency, and he moved on. LAShTAL, as a whole, is a reflection of the group endeavor (without the Guru micromanaging everybody). If one actually graduates, as opposed to "running away," they are not likely to join, or (ever) be dominated again. Since whatever info the person needs is fed in from their own source, they don't need to get horizontal input.

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I believe the word is "Heruvian"?

I thought it was Whorish.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

In '89, Master M. Motta offered

He died in '87.  Possibly you meant '79 or '80?

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me the Directorship of his Org in California. What an opportunity.

... an opportunity to later stab him in the back, like nearly all his other 'Directors' (basically Xth degrees) did? (there may have been an exception).

It's surprising that the intricacies of betrayal/treachery weren't ever more conspicuously dealt with in the OTO initiation rituals beyond Saladin's warning to newcomers in his tent.

One wonder how the history would have  been different had he possessed a less "abrasive" personality, and generally got on quite well with his peers... there would have been no mass defection over to the Caliphornians, for a start, and Motta probably would have won his subsequent court case over McMurtry.  Whether this would have been a better outcome in the long run is a moot point however, and it is sometimes forgotten that it was he that who first went on the offensive rather than McMurtry & the Caliphornian OTO, who only went on to develop Motta's predilection for legal action after they had first initially tasted success against him.

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Unfortunately, he required absolute obedience, and if he told me to "jump off a cliff," he expected me to do so.

Although a more pragmatic revised version of this would be to tell & expect his membership to (in a phrase reminiscent of Bob Geldof), "Gimme your money" (aka 'place all of your resources unquestioningly at my disposal')...

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Group functions, such as ceremonies (and nothing else) have been performed, lots'a times, but only with independent functionaries who temporarily unite for that purpose, then disband with having to pay dues in advanced (no dues due at ny point) or to take orders from someone in charge.

Ideally this should be the case at all times.  But as AC said (quite later on I think, and I paraphrase) "Get four or five people together in the name of [something] and the usual trouble starts."  By which he meant fractious and politicidal squabbling at the personality-level.

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Since whatever info the person needs is fed in from their own source, they don't need to get horizontal input.

Well if that is the case (=it is being fed in), then this is "true".  Though it suggests synchronicity as a given, and is rather like saying they will get precisely whatever is necessary for them at the time to interpret the action as a particular dealing between the Creator and his (her) soul.

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Posted by: @jamiejbarter

He died in '87.  Possibly you meant '79 or '80?

'79 would be correct. So many decades; so many Aeons. I freely admit to my errors, and relish the fact that I am no longer accountable for precision work.

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... an opportunity to later stab him in the back,

I would not have hesitated to face him head-on.

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and Motta probably would have won his subsequent court case over McMurtry

Regarless of the multiple personality conflicts, or their resolution, McM did have a note from parent Crowley/BafometR putting him in charge. That was the key to him, McM, winning the court battle.

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Ideally this should be the case at all times. 

Thank you for not correcting my two typos that reverse the point I was making. That is, the participants get to depart without paying dues in advance.

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Though it suggests synchronicity as a given, and is rather like saying they will get precisely whatever is necessary for them at the time to interpret the action as a particular dealing between the Creator and his (her) soul.

Yes it does. However, I don't think our little one-time stand group ceremonies included such an exalted assembly of Magisters. But they were advanced enough so that the synchronizing cut in, and I know exactly what you are talking about.

 


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Regarless of the multiple personality conflicts, or their resolution, McM did have a note from parent Crowley/BafometR putting him in charge. That was the key to him, McM, winning the court battle.

One of the major points though was not the 'Emergency letters' but the fact they were from the OHO-before-last and not from the OHO as immediate predecessor: and although Crowley was the last leader bar-one of the OTO, Germer had arguably more "authority" than he did, being the last one.  And the case of the plaintiff revolved around the fact that Germer had decreed Motta to be his "follower" (i.e. to succeed him) in this respect - and that it was overall Germer's overriding desire for him to be the favoured candidate for OHO-ship (that, and the fact that he considered McMurtry himself to be "a big MINUS").  Starr himself has affirmed this since and if he had said so at the trial it may have made a critical difference.

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Thank you for not correcting my two typos that reverse the point I was making. That is,

Yes, understood.  One cannot waste too much time addressing what would clearly (or intuitively) be typos.

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However, I don't think our little one-time stand group ceremonies included such an exalted assembly of Magisters.

However I thought originally we were specifically talking about elitemachinery/'Frater Micro' (or if not him, then at least LAShTAL; I didn't realize you were referring to your own group ceremonies):

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But, you see, Frater Micro has also graduated. He did his time in group dependency, and he moved on. LAShTAL, as a whole, is a reflection of the group endeavor ...

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And the case of the plaintiff revolved around the fact that Germer had decreed Motta to be his "follower" (i.e. to succeed him) in this respect - and that it was overall Germer's overriding desire for him to be the favoured candidate for OHO-ship

Yes. I heard that one. And then studied all the pertinent docs and interpretations. It gets very subjective. Motta was never an OTO initiate, not even Minerval, and Germer never gave him a "Note," a Charter, or any kind of Paperwork that authorized any sort of succession or authority.

McM, on the other hand, had such a note, as required by the rules of Masonry, the Oath of the III*, and courts of law, and it was sufficient for him to win, on the physical plane, where it ultimately counts, in matters of holding the fort on Malkuth.

Although our entire discussion is theoretical, pertaining to a "parallel universe," or "what if," the best part of wisdom is to accept things as they are, then move on from there to make your own changes. Let me recite the litany, as perceived by me, so as to present an example of impermanence ...

1. Kellner, Reuss, et al, got The Order of the Temple into motion, and it was a good idea. You know, all that confusion amongst the Masons, all that fragmentation.

2. Crowley came along and did the interior decorating, arranging everything along the lines of The Tree of Life, all the while praising Jesus and exalting INRI.

3. Crowley then stole The Order from Reuss, by apparently making false accusations about his dementia, followed up by re-vamping The Order into a Thelemic vehicle. Since the Council of Masters (after Reuss's death) ratified BafometR's claim to OHO, he got away with it, on the physical plane, where these matters count.

4. Crowley then drifted away from the duty-free zone of A.'.A.'. to place more and more emphasis on The Temporal Order, where dues are paid in advance. Throughout his life, it appears he never administered even one rite of initiation (into the Order). He collected the dues and fees for the first 3 degrees, and then handed over the papers (of those rites) and took the new Master Magician to lunch.

[Uh,oh. I sense the color Black creeping in]

5. Other folks, starting with Achad, X*, W.T. Smith, Jane Wolfe, Jack Parsons, took up the burden of actually doing some work. They collected the dues in advance and sent them to BafometR as proof o his independent Retirement Agenda (IRA). A few years before his The End, BafometR gave H. Alpha a written note to "carry on."

6. After The End (of BafometR), Germer (Saturnus by name, no less - who never formally received initiation into The Order) was legally in charge of The Order. He essentially was the mortician and funeral director for the whole deal. He eventually performed euthanasia and closed the thing ... dead.

7. Grant, a IX*, resurrected the name of The Order, but not the same rites, constitution, etc.  Solar Lodge resurrected The Order and did really well, 'til it hit a Phoenix Phirestorm on The Burning Ground, and McM was right there waiting to pick up the pieces, which he did. Both the Lodge of the Sun and the McM (c)The Order continued with the original rites and rules. There was/is a Swiss branch, but their rules were probably not BafometR's constitution.

8. McM's version ran on well enough under the old rules. He was challenged by Motta who had no papers, no notes, no initiations, Motta lost on the physical plane, where it counts. McM was a drunk, a well-known fact, but he was not insane. Motta was also a self-conessed alchoholi, and he suffered, along with his students, from paranoid schizophrenia.

9. After McM died, a Council of IX degrees democratically elected a new leader. "Democracy is a fatal folly" - OM).

10. The new leader changed the rules, very fair at first. Then The Order began a withdrawal into a secret society that did less and less work, until it became the crystallized concretized edifice it is perceived to be.

Anicca, annica - Everything passes Away

I believe the above is the official summary of the history of The Order as manifested on the physical plane, where it counts, and "what ifs" are merely a break in concentration, and I will not hesitate to make copy of it, for posterity, and to keep with me in the afterlife of eternal, monotonous bliss, or in the burning pit.

It's funny how people tend to think hell is a place where people go or are sent, when it's really a zone everyone must pass through, either as part of their path while alive or after their demise.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

It gets very subjective

Yes it does, very.

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Germer never gave him [Motta] a "Note," a Charter, or any kind of Paperwork that authorized any sort of succession or authority.

McM, on the other hand, had such a note

Motta had one too; unfortunately it came from Germer's missus, his proxy, and it came after his (Germer's) death and too late to do him [Motta] any good.  And she was never a member of the One True Order either...

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Let me recite the litany, as perceived by me, so as to present an example of impermanence ...

I thought, at first hurried glance, you'd written "impertinence" there - which would never do (my misreading, of course!)

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Throughout his life, it appears he [Crowley] never administered even one rite of initiation (into the Order).

Apart from taking a very few members "through" the first three degrees (i.e. going through the text with them and answering any of their questions, I suppose) and passing on the IXth by various means but excluding anything uniformly ceremonial - it depend how far and to what extent one interprets "administer"...

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He [Saturnus] essentially was the mortician and funeral director for the whole deal. He eventually performed euthanasia and closed the thing ... dead.

"... and died screaming" - as McMurtry was apparently quite gleefully fond of repeating (even though he wasn't there at the time), detailing Germer's botched genital surgery performed for his prostrate cancer where the scar had traced the mark outlined by the masonic initiatory penalty sign ("May I be mutilated and no longer a man") - on account of his "failing of [to name] an heir" as bidden not so to do by Authority, on pain of invoking the most direful consequences attendant upon his breaking the bonds of the Order (- enough to send the kiddies off to bed with nightmares...)

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It's funny how people tend to think hell is a place where people go or are sent, when it's really a zone everyone must pass through, either as part of their path while alive or after their demise.

Yes, hell is not a place but a state (of mind), as is Heaven.  In fact Nuit declared "I am Heaven" (AL I:21), which in effect means it's omnipresent & everywhere.

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genital surgery

Yeah, and W.T. Smith died of prostate cancer. I have wondered about those diagnoses.

 


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