the verse numbers have nothing to do with Aiwass'
Say, that's (one of) the first thing(s) that one finds out about AL. The original was writ without numerals denoting the "lines." The "line-numbers" were inserted "after the fact."
@shiva Well call me crazy (please) but that's one of the foundational principles of the K'rla Cell book, and thread I posted.
Somehow they did the math and not just Gematria fingering but actual hard math ( 😉 inadvertent ) and they saw that the numbers of the verses did actually represent Fibonacci spiral, and golden mean etc.
So that's pretty amazing to me.
To Be Honest
It's extra amazing for the BOTL because SINCE Crowley added those numbers after receiving it, the fact that the correspondence of this 'new' finding RE the added numbers, still works out to those hidden meanings, is nothing short of miraculous in my opinion.
What is the other sentence adding up to 143 in Liber L? It must be SUPER meaningful by proxy.
Thanks
Similar patterns of hidden messages have also been found in the Bible, "Moby Dick", and the poetic works of Vanilla Ice.
If you look obsessively enough, you too will find your name, and birthplace, and all sorts of mathematical coincidences "proving" divine authorship in literally any text. Phonebooks work fine (if they still exist).
And of course the methods of "ordinal" qabala will produce very similar results across any English-language text, since the letter frequencies will always be very close across texts of any length. And the properties, and possible permutations, of the numbers 1-26 will remain identical across texts.
i hope we will not be treated to new displays of obsession, and mathematical ignorance, every two days now. Though i suppose it is a good sign for any early end to this nasty winter.
i hope we will not be treated to new displays of obsession, and mathematical ignorance, every two days now. Though i suppose it is a good sign for any early end to this nasty winter.
We are all just buying time until April 1!
And of course the methods of "ordinal" qabala will produce very similar results across any English-language text, since the letter frequencies will always be very close across texts of any length.
Sorry for double posting.
I agree, but I have to admit that in my "Lutz Lemke, Cypher Solver" solution based on the Tri-Key method and the band members of Queen, Motörhead, Abba and Police, I actually put the combined lyrics of each of their greatest selling hit singles to the test and counted the letter frequencies, and the result was very slightly different to the Tri-Key method (in two instances to be exact. Maybe I should have tried ALL of their lyrics as a basis)
Love=Law
Lutz
P.S. btw, I still have to see proof that Timothy Moss, born in Armarillo is real. I posted my birth certificate
[T]he result was very slightly different to the Tri-Key method (in two instances to be exact[)]
Note that i said "very similar results", not "identical". And over texts of "any length".
AL is fairly short; the "Greatest Hits" of Queen, Motorhead and Abba combined, while probably longer than that, are somewhat shorter than, say, War And Peace.
Somehow they did the math and not just Gematria fingering but actual hard math ( 😉 inadvertent ) and they saw that the numbers of the verses did actually represent Fibonacci spiral, and golden mean etc.
So that's pretty amazing to me.
Can you expand on this? I feel it is fingering only but I am ready to be corrected. Hope you can, since it seems amazing to you.
Love=Law
Lutz
Thanks for your chiming in and work on this. I havent had time to comb through it myself but on passive reading I really do think there is a lot of merit in regards to the Golden Ratio encoding RE the verse numbers etc, regardless of if they were added later.
@christibrany Well, I do hope I am not the only one combing through it. I am baffled though what Fibonacci is doing in THIS thread because @herupakraath 's post isn't really about that, though I have questions for him also. Have you combed through the II:76 solution of the (K'rla Cell) book? Or is it all just amazing and meritful? I mean, solving the puzzle is quite a bold statement, in this thread as well as in the K'rla thread. I know there isn't an obligation on a public forum to answer, but it IS frustrating that nobody seems to be interested in defending their cause.
Love=Law
Lutz
So the author is AC. As shown many times the verse numbers have nothing to do with Aiwass' (alleged) dictation:
Crowley is named as the chosen priest and apostle of infinite space, as as such, certainly the forces responsible for the text could have also guided his hand in assigning the verse numbers--it's not like the concept is far-fetched within the context of The Cairo Working.
What is the other sentence adding up to 143 in Liber L? It must be SUPER meaningful by proxy.
The sentence is verse II:71: But exceed exceed! = 143.
It is meaningful, as it shows the chances of the other sentence equaling 143 at random are highly unlikely. Using relative frequency to determine the chances of verse II:71 equaling 143 at random, the chances are 1/208, which is typical of a random sentence or phrase. The chances of What meaneth this, o prophet equaling 143 at random, are 1/450,000. The chances of the five letter groups in the puzzle equaling the values they do at random, are 1/380 million. Accordingly, the chances of the seven appearances of 143 appearing in the puzzle as they do at random are calculated as 380,000,000 x 450,000, or around 1/170 billion.
Crowley is named as the chosen priest and apostle of infinite space, as as such, certainly the forces responsible for the text could have also guided his hand
"Certainly" and "could" tend to produce an oxymoron.
It is meaningful, as it shows the chances of the other sentence equaling 143 at random are highly unlikely.
It does NOT show "the chances of the other sentence equaling 143 at random are highly unlikely. It merely shows that it adds up to 143 ... I do not see any "showing" of any "likeliness," which is your subjective opinion.
The chances of What meaneth this, o prophet equaling 143 at random, are 1/450,000.
450,000 is not a really high number when it comes to stat anal(ysis). But the first wonderment is - How does the 450K number get invented?
1/170 billion.
It really doesn't matter one twit, does it? As long as there's any chance at all, somebody always wins the lottery.
It does NOT show "the chances of the other sentence equaling 143 at random are highly unlikely. It merely shows that it adds up to 143 ... I do not see any "showing" of any "likeliness," which is your subjective opinion.
What meaneth this, o prophet? = 143 is the most singularly unique gematria equation I have seen out of many thousands of them. The sentence was significant enough just by following a puzzle that contains numbers that add to 143, but now that the six instances of 143 in the puzzle groups have been demonstrated, the fact that only one gematria system in every 450,000 can make the sentence equal 143 makes the equation stand out like Mount Everest in Kansas. (Relative frequency, I mentioned it.)
I have played the lottery thousands of times; the best odds I have beaten to win are 1/1100. Based on my experience, the chances of my winning a prize that beats odds of 1/450,000 or higher, are highly unlikely. You can argue there is still a mathematical chance I could win on a bigger scale, but my assessment of the situation is accurate and realistic based on my experience and the numbers involved, and there is no conceivable reason why you would disagree with me. My position on the sentence that equals 143 is no different, and no less realistic--it is your thinking that is skewed by exercising an obvious double-standard.
Why not be honest and admit it: you have never seen anything like the coincidences demonstrated: multiple clusters of the same gematria value that occupy the same space in the puzzle, while matching actual numbers in the puzzle that also occupy the same space.
It really doesn't matter one twit, does it?
If the objective is determining the probability of an event, yeah, it does matter.
As long as there's any chance at all, somebody always wins the lottery.
There is always a chance of someone winning, and yet most lotteries are not won, they roll over to the next drawing, which ironically, demonstrates the improbability of someone winning the lottery, while supporting my position.
the chances of my winning a prize that beats odds of 1/450,000 or higher, are highly unlikely.
https://www.lotto.net/new-york-lotto/prizes [winning odds 1 in 22,528,737]
https://www.lotterycritic.com/lottery-odds/powerball-odds-math/ [winning odds 1 in 292,201,338]
People regularly win both, but according to you this is impossible, or "highly unlikely"?
Well, yes, it is "highly unlikely", that is in fact what odds mean, but yet and still folks win.
there is no conceivable reason why you would disagree with me.
The massive arrogance here is impressive, when you have proven nothing, shown nothing, demonstrated nothing, except your very considerable powers of self-delusion.
Why not be honest and admit it: you have never seen anything like the coincidences demonstrated [?]
Yes, i will admit that i have never seen anything like your efforts.
But again, you have demonstrated nothing, except an obscurantist writing style, a poor understanding of mathematics, and your truly epic powers of self-delusion, and your total unfamiliarity with the concept and practice of critical thinking.
Why not be honest and admit it: you have never seen anything like the coincidences demonstrated
Cypher Trump has finally arrived. He has the best solutions. Nobody has better solutions. Thanks Aiwass!
Well, yes, it is "highly unlikely", that is in fact what odds mean, but yet and still folks win.
Oh, good. I had become convinced that I was wrong and nobody ever won anything, even though I have personal experience of winning, and we read about big winners from time to time. But your research indicate that I have been mislead ("bad plumbum") and I can look forward to winning again.
The Numbers Solution dismantles the puzzle of Liber Legis, thus demonstrating its purpose and authorship.
Would you be so kind and upload this again? I haven't saved it or can't find it. Thx.
There is no point at this stage of the work. I'll eventually include most of it in a publication in the future, but as of now there are better ways, and more important things to demonstrate.
There is no field of interest or endeavor that I can think of that does not require a steady perfection of the effort involved, whether it be art, music, craftsmanship, or anything else that requires experimentation and a process of trial and error. There is no valid reason to treat the study and interpretation of Aleister Crowley's works any differently. My past efforts example that I am driven to engage in such activities, and will never stop. Contrary to the prevailing attitude, my efforts have always been sincere, and I'm confident that fact will be proven in the near future.
To the owner of Lashtal: I am also very disappointed in the contentiousness my contributions seem to generate, and for that reason I will no longer engage in any discussions about my efforts; although I feel I owe no apologies to my detractors, I do apologize to you.
To everyone else: try to be good to each other, and imagine if you will a Universe in which there are divine messengers that not only have an interest of the human race, but are determined to prove that humans are not alone in it.
I'll be back on April 8th.
@herupakraath Well, that's disappointing. I saved all your work except this one, it seems. Your publications have been announced for decades and didn't appear, so that's not a real relief. I am aware that this is an ongoing project and you might deem this document unworthy, but if anyone here has downloaded it, please feel free to send it to me at lutz(at)lutzlemke(dot)de
I'll be back on April 8th.
I knew that, because everything will be so much more "important" then.
I am also very disappointed in the contentiousness my contributions seem to generate, and for that reason I will no longer engage in any discussions about my efforts; although I feel I owe no apologies to my detractors, I do apologize to you.
Well, you might want to reread you big promises, condescending and "threats" you made over the years here and in your "publications" (PDFs). Maybe that is what generated all of that. But even if you from now on will not engage in discussions of your findings, I am sure we will.
I will no longer engage in any discussions about my efforts
Perhaps this is best. You see, anybody who claims to be somebody special, or different from the others, especially in an important or meaningful way, really needs to demonstrate this distinction by doing or showing something special ... unfortunately, numbers, letters, and talk-talk won't qualify.
I am sure we will.
Can you prove this ?
I will no longer engage in any discussions about my efforts
How sad for the world. Still, i expect we will, some of us, somehow, summon up the strength to go on.
I'll be back on April 8th.
Why, one wonders?
As far as i can recall, you have never actually participated in this forum as a community. You have solely exploited it as a place to publicize your "work".
You never, or virtually never, post in any thread that is not one that you have started, and never, or virtually never, post about any topic not related to the AL cypher and your "work". You, based on your posts here, appear to have zero interest in any aspect of AC's work that does not involve "finding" your name and birthplace encoded in it.
So if you "will no longer engage in any discussions about [your] efforts", what will you post on 4/8, and why?
Or do you simply mean that you will continue to exploit the lashtal forums to publicize your "work", and intend to do so again in three weeks, but will no longer attempt to defend your "work", when it attracts inevitable criticism?
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i have recently been switching back and forth between various Macs running Ubuntu linux, and my one actual Mac OS mac, which means switching key combos to copy and paste, etc. (Ubuntu uses "control key" + "C" to copy, Mac uses "Mac key" + "C" for the same thing eg). Which means errors when i fail to "code-switch" after machine-switching.
When i attempted to copy & paste "will no longer engage in any discussions about my efforts" the second time above, i instead pasted in "They’re Coming to Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa!" because the author of that 1966 novelty hit about being hauled away to the "funny farm" (released under the pseudonym "Napoleon XIV") just died, and i guess i wanted to hear the song, so i copied the title from dude's obit.
Some folks might call this "synchronicity".
@ignant666 Thanks for the trip down memory lane. I was 9 years old in 1966, and this song was number one on the playground and the school bus.
what will you post on 4/8, and why?
Oh, please don't stir up the future before its time has come. Tomorrow is the Equinox, and Spring Birds will soon be tweeting. RTC is due for his annual blowby on April Foolish Day. Good grief, can 2023 ev take the load?
Some folks might call this "synchronicity".
I had the same thought before I read where you typed the word.
Uh-huh.
I'll be back on April 8th.
Not so far anyway, but it is only 1:02 pm right now in Amarillo, so perhaps he will yet post the earthshaking revelations promised for today.
In another thread, he said he would post his revelations on 4/10, not today.
Or perhaps there will be 2 revelations, one today, and another one on Monday? Or do we have to face the possibility that we have another RTC on our hands, promising much, but delivering zero?
I will return on April 1, in one of the next ten years. Please mark your calendar(s) each April Fool through 2034. I will reveal either a doc never seen before, a concept never thought before, or the solution to a card trick involving a rabbit and a hat.
Other than that, I now make a motion for a recall to sanity, wherein nobody promises anything in the future without a cash deposit in case of futuristic failure, and nobody promises proof that they don't have.
It's funny, but the future of humanity may rest in the fulfillment of these conditions.
A Happy Easter to All! No matter what you believe, or don't believe., The Crucifixion of Christ and his supposed resurrection was the beginning of a new Aeon.
Perhaps I should explain. By "new" Aeon, I meant new for the date of Christ's resurrection, 2,000 years ago. It was new for his advent. It is now the old Aeon, and the New Aeon of Horus will last another 2000 years. Either way, they are pivotal moments in history. SO MOTE IT BE!
Perhaps I should explain. By "new" Aeon, I meant new for the date of Christ's resurrection, 2,000 years ago.
Thank you. The crucifixion was ~2k years ago. The resurrection is still a matter of debate.
and the New Aeon of Horus will last another 2000 years.
You are quoting OM's description of the 2000-year Aeons, which has now been proven to be questionable.
Today is April 10. Last chance for any Sring Birds to chirp and tweet on the holy days of '23.
Thank you. The crucifixion was ~2k years ago. The resurrection is still a matter of debate.
It would require faith to accept the literal truth of Christ's resurrection. I'm not sure I have it. But as a metaphor for cosmic re-birth, it is undeniable. Just like the psychopomp of Osiris being constituted by Isis. Did Crowley really receive the revelations from Aiwass on April 8th,9th and 10th 1904? Or did he fudge the dates? Does it really matter? No, not to me.
The forces of resurrection are a truth of human nature attuned to truths of natural law which is also spiritual law...Consider the term meters and the way that Schwaller de Lubicz explicated the term to life...Of course Gerald Massey provides an understanding of what the Egyptian gnosis was about as his writings about Horus speaks concerning resurrection....It was St. Augustine that said that Christianity had been around for millennium and proclaimed "Love God and Do what thou wilt"
Cruxifixction, or rather murder by judicial tribunal serving the interests of various mobs, be they secular or religious mobs, is with us to this day, and certainly Plato's Trial of Socrates is the cognate to the Passion, and finds the more philosophical reality of the immortality of Socrates...
"The Murder of Christ" is the title to one of Wilhelm Reich's books and speaks to the murder of the life force by human armoring against natural loving energy, entrapped by mechanistic reductionism one pole and mysticism on the other. His discovery of the Orgone in as sense speaks to Rudolf Steiner's understanding of Christ resurrected in the ether, and that such perceptions was vital in mankind's coming to be free the grips of forces that seek to enslave mankind...The burning of Reich's books by the U.S. Federal Government was such evil...but normal for the hegemon war bot it became for the same principalities and mobs of yore....
Spirits of resurrection might also carry a spirit of revenge, for Good Friday in 1904, well "it must have been the First of April" was April 1st and in the Orthodox Church Good Friday was on April 8, with April 10th being Easter. Pesach had ended on the 7th...and Ra Hoor Khuit comes on thusly through Liber Legis in defense of the glad word of the resurrection of the primal gnosis so outlined in Chapter I, II, and III~~~
Glad Tidings!
HG
@hadgigegenraum That is a lot to absorb. Wasn't Reich debunked as a fraud by the FDA for his "Orgone accumulator"? I have read his book the Psychology of Fascism. His belief that the swastika was symbolic of intercourse, therefore, a life-giving symbol was intriguing to me, given my interests in the subject. Didn't Jung write that Hitler embodied the soul of Wotan?
Did Crowley really receive the revelations from Aiwass on April 8th,9th and 10th 1904? Or did he fudge the dates? Does it really matter? No, not to me.
Dwtw
April 8-9-10, 1904 was Orthodox Easter weekend
April 1-2-3, 1904 was Catholic Easter weekend.
Whether he fudged the dates or not, the first chapter was received on Good Friday, and the third chapter was received on Easter...according to one tradition or the other. Both of those traditions presumably becoming obsolete at that time, although it would have been a little more apropos to have chapter 3 on Good Friday, when Jesus was on the cross, in order to have his eyes pecked out. But hey, you can't win 'em all.
Litllwtw
O.L.
Whether he fudged the dates or not, the first chapter was received on Good Friday, and the third chapter was received on Easter...according to one tradition or the other. Both of those traditions presumably becoming obsolete at that time, although it would have been a little more apropos to have chapter 3 on Good Friday, when Jesus was on the cross, in order to have his eyes pecked out. But hey, you can't win 'em all.
I respectfully disagree. The traditions would not be obsolete for another 1,874 years. From Approximately 30 AD to 1904. I will ignore Crowley's childish blasphemy. It was Judas who hanged himself and rotted until his entrails spilled from his body. Let that be a warning!
It would require faith to accept the literal truth of Christ's resurrection.
There are two types of faith. Blind faith, to which you point a pointed finger, is the one recommended by The Church, in its various dispersions. It involves no proof, just do what I say.
The other format, Knowing faith, is based on experience, so it doesn't apply to the fiest few decans of the Aeon, as none of us were there
Did Crowley really receive the revelations from Aiwass on April 8th,9th and 10th 1904?
Of course he did. You don't want to face charges of blasphemy, do you? In addition to your lack of faith ?
Or did he fudge the dates?
?
Does it really matter?
No.
Wasn't Reich debunked as a fraud by the FDA ...?
Of course he was. Nixon also proclaimed Dr Leary "the most dangerous person in America." Tesla slipped by with only a case of terminal poverty (like AC).
People who deal with cutting edge breakthroughs often suffer for their efforts. Others get bought off, or paid off, with or without stock options or retained/quit positions of pseudo-authority.
The real question[s] should be,
"Did his machine really produce Orgone?"
Is Orgone the same as Chi, Prana, and/or Vril ?
Is Orgone merely air with charged ions of oxygen ... or some other ion ?
The truth is usually found in the patient data. Did his patients, in general, benefit from Orgone treatments?
the swastika was symbolic of intercourse, therefore, a life-giving symbol
Say now, he and AC
would simply agree,
to see sex in a tree
or a rock, don't you see,
it's ALL sex - for Eternity
Let that be a warning!
Um. Just as a matter of jurisdictional inquiry, or is it inquisitional wondering (?), you aren't a closet Christian come among the wolves bearing swastikas and tales of Wotan obsessing poor Dr Jung, are you ?
Also Wotan is Odin, isn't he? I'm not in reflexive mode when it comes to the northern tribe.
Um. Just as a matter of jurisdictional inquiry, or is it inquisitional wondering (?), you aren't a closet Christian come among the wolves bearing swastikas and tales of Wotan obsessing poor Dr Jung, are you ?
My relationship with Christianity has run hot and cold over the decades. However, I majored in theology at Xavier University, Cincinnati which obviously gave me a pretty good understanding of Church history. I, myself am not a Catholic, nor had I had any interest in converting. But the readings concerning St. Francis of Assisi, Roger Bacon, Meister Eckart, and Maurice Eliade are of great interest to me. I am fairly knowledgeable about the Bible, OT and NT I got interested in the occult and magic because the Xavier Library had a great collection of books on the subject. The first I read was "Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition" by Butler. And a spattering of Aleister Crowly, et al. Aleister Crowley was no stranger to Christain doctrine. I think he had a love-hate relationship with it.
Also Wotan is Odin, isn't he? I'm not in reflexive mode when it comes to the northern tribe.
Wotan, the name, was invented by Richard Wagner, combining two Old High German, Woutan, and Old Low German, Wodan. (Not unlike Crowley with his inventions of names and terms, for ex. BABALON vs. Babylon, and ABRAHADAMBRA vs. abracadabra. According to Jung, Hitler was "Archetypal.Ergriffenheit, Mystical union, National rebirth.
My relationship with Christianity has run hot and cold over the decades.
The Wheel of Whoa. Cyclic repetition of the same old thing ... for decades, no less, does not shine light on progress.
However, I majored in theology at Xavier University
Oh, that explains it. You need say no more.
I got interested in the occult and magic because the Xavier Library had a great collection of books on the subject.
This Xavier sounds like a Secret Chief.
I think he had a love-hate relationship with it.
Of course he did. This relationship was instilled with pointed punctuation properly provided constantly in his teeny-weeny childhood by the Plymouth brothers, accompanied by cruel applications of pain when he erred from their idea of correctness.
This gave rise to the Legend of The Beast and Jesus, no, Jesus and The Beast (I haven't written it yet, and do not intend to do so in the near future - perhaps you would like to take up this task?) ...
(Not unlike Crowley with his inventions of names
Um, the old rites are black now.
Please throw out the junk.
Save what is serviceable, and polish it.
Then people will understand.
People who cling to the old, junky, discarded poop will suffer pain and indignities at the hands of the Plymouth brethren, all in the name of Perdurabo.
Old High German and Old Low German
My question referred to "Odin" and his relationship with Wowoutan, who has as many variations as Amun, Amen, Amon, Amoun, etc.
Of course he did. This relationship was instilled with pointed punctuation properly provided constantly in his teeny-weeny childhood by the Plymouth brothers, accompanied by cruel applications of pain when he erred from their idea of correctness.
I would bet that Aleister Crowley was as familiar with St. Augustine as he was with writings of Rebelais , "Gargantua and Pantagruel, or Bauldelaire. Yes he had pent-up feelings of hostility, but he owes Christianity a debt of gratitude for setting him on his intellectual and spiritual adventures.
My question referred to "Odin" and his relationship with Wowoutan, who has as many variations as Amun, Amen, Amon, Amoun, etc.
Wotan's relationship to Odin, is that he a character based on Odin. Wagner, probably wanted to Germanize the name to fulfill the Romanticism of the Pan-Germanic movement, to help solidify the newly united country. Remember, Germany had just been a loose confederation of Kingdoms, not a united nation with one identity.
Remember, Germany had just been a loose confederation of Kingdoms, not a united nation with one identity.
Ah, yes, I remember it well. I just finished writing the section on The Holy Roman Empire ...
Anyway, we're steering toward adolphus, atrocity, and the ongoing German Empire, again, so maybe we better look at The Numbers Solution, the title of this thread ... which starts out by making a Bold Assertion ...
The Numbers Solution dismantles the puzzle of Liber Legis, thus demonstrating its purpose and authorship.
... and it is followed by a link that (presumably) led to The Numbers Solution, so I went there go gather proof (evidence), but the Borg told me ...
This Page Does Not Exist
("It may have been removed")
And, you know, with this being April 11, the Magick Day, it might be noted or noticed that HPK has not forthwithed on the 8th or the 10th, so it's too late to catch the current for this year.
... and it is followed by a link that (presumably) led to The Numbers Solution, so I went there go gather proof (evidence), but the Borg told me ...
So did I. And yes, the borg also told me that the page no longer exists. Would not have helped me, I'm terrible with numbers, so I just accept what I read at face value. If it equals 418, heh that's alright with me.
