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newneubergOuch2
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29/04/2020 4:00 pm  

Just caught up on pages and pages of this thread.

now to digest them.

‘No further comment your Honor’


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29/04/2020 6:33 pm  
Posted by: @duck

Everyone's complaining about him but most of the activity here seems to be devoted to him.

After you (anyone) has seen the three-ring circus (England-Cairo-North Africa), the barker at the entrance to the Sideshow is very loud through his mega-phone ("big voice")("yelling").

RTC is actually quite familiar with the terminology, and he promises amazing revelations with boxes of evidence. He is also insulting towards people's tendencies to find cracks in his foundation, and so he provokes arguments on a personal level.

Since he has chosen the Crowley persona and The Cairo Working to dissect, he gains the attention of all the archeologists and watermark sleuths from all the threads.

I don't know how many books will actually be run through the laser printer and the circuitous FedEx-USPS marriage system, but people better get their rare collector's item quick, before Lulu gets all those complaints and stops the presses.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

RTC himself seems unwilling/unable to corroborate this very issue

I, personally, self-verified as me, do indeed remember the subject of Rose's diary surfacing back in the Bogus days, when things were different and everybody got along. I therefore certify that the Rose Diary thing was a real point of conversation (it still is). RTC will NOT, as I have predicted and prophesied, engage you on this subject with any given thing that is tangible, weighable, or definable.

You know that green, leafy stuff that grows out of the end of the orange carrot? That's where the string (known as an eLGMOR) is tied. The diary is also green. Thus they are One. They are None, which is good.

Posted by: @xon

if the best part of eLGMOR  is about the formation of religions it might inspire others to take up the study in regards to Thelema.

There is always that small hope. But what if it inspires others to form their own new invented religion? This could be contageous and spread rapidly.

 


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29/04/2020 7:10 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

I, personally, self-verified as me, do indeed remember the subject of Rose's diary surfacing back in the Bogus days, when things were different and everybody got along. I therefore certify that the Rose Diary thing was a real point of conversation (it still is).

Yes, I also remember the subject of Rose's mythic(?) diary from way back being a real point of conversation.  What I have difficulty remembering with any degree of certainty is RTC himself stating that he had it and its contents were explosive enough in themselves to blow AC's "reception story" away.  Or words to that same effect. 

The two things somehow seem to have got tied together and @therealrtc has no desire to separate them, maybe thinking to benefit from al the "glamor" deriving from the associated confusion.  I may be quite wrong, and would be happy to be conclusively proved so if it would clear this matter up, which is why I am asking if anyone has any evidence around Richard's link/s with the diary and which at the moment as a reality is as tenuous as Rose's shrink's "casenotes". 

This shouldn't be so hard to come up with, should it, if such (the relevant post) really exists?

N Joy


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29/04/2020 8:31 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

What I have difficulty remembering with any degree of certainty is RTC himself stating that he had it ...

That is called "poor memory." I suffer from the same affectation. Don't worry about the nits; just call him a liar and see what he says (he will not give you any satidfaction).

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

This shouldn't be so hard to come up with, should it, if such (the relevant post) really exists?

One would think so, wouldn't they. Somehow you seem to be playing this game with a sense of honour and fair play. This will not work. Read Chapter III and come up with something that works.

 


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29/04/2020 8:43 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

There is always that small hope. But what if it inspires others to form their own new invented religion? This could be contageous and spread rapidly.

Some might toy around with it in their sandbox. Moistly, if it were effective, it would only be dangerously contagious to those with a messiah complex and a Cluster B disorder. No healthy individual would want to be a cult leader. Now, if the toying around led people to establish their own religion without trying to impose theirs as the ultimate truth or feel threatened by the spiritual truth of others that could be a healthy creative endeavour of self-discovery. That even sounds a lot like some interpretations of finding true will. In a grander sense, a spiritual leader of many people wouldn't need to toy around nor have the egocentric problems and control issues a cult leader would have.


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29/04/2020 8:47 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

That is called "poor memory." [...]

I'm not so sure.  I'm beginning to think more and more it might be a manifestation of the so-called "Mandela Effect" (q.v.).  And increasingly curious, if nobody is able to come up with something conclusive on it (i.e., Rose's diary).

Posted by: @shiva

Don't worry about the nits; just call him a liar and see what he says (he will not give you any satidfaction).

So that won't work either, then.  No, with Richard the best approach I think - and I hope he doesn't mind me saying this, and I don't greatly give an enormous hoot even if so! - is "softly, softly, catchee monkee".  Except that by revealing this it will probably not work any with him anymore.  (Oh, Darn!)

Posted by: @shiva

[New paragraph]

Somehow you seem to be playing this game with a sense of honour and fair play. This will not work.

But there's nothing wrong with starting off with this approach, is there?  As in, one ought always to at least bow in the dojo before maiming one's opponent in the testicles (as it were.  Shouldn't one?!)

N Joy


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29/04/2020 9:22 pm  
Posted by: @xon

Moistly,

How moist? Most women hate that word. 

 

Just like they hate when you crunch your chips/crisps loudly. But to me that is half the joy. 

WTF is a cluster B disorder? 

You do seem strangely pre-occupied with 'equality' and 'justice' 

Is that so, and why? 


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29/04/2020 10:26 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

nobody is able to come up with something conclusive

Maybe nobody is looking. Maybe everyone is so disgusted that they don't want to poke around in the smelly garbage pit of past waves of incredible (not creditable) distortions.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

(Oh, Darn!)

Watch the potty-mouthing, please.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

But there's nothing wrong with starting off with this approach, is there? 

Let's be logical. It didn't work, so there must be something wrong involved.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

(as it were.  Shouldn't one?!)

In my dojo, we don't do that bowing stuff. At the end of each class, I bow once, slightly, to the students and say, "Thank you."

 

 


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30/04/2020 4:37 am  
Posted by: @christibrany

You do seem strangely pre-occupied with 'equality' and 'justice' 

Is that so, and why? 

Aeon of Maat? 🤨 


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30/04/2020 12:49 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany
Posted by: @christibrany

You do seem strangely pre-occupied with 'equality' and 'justice' 

Is that so, and why? 

Aeon of Maat? 

Golly, you walked into that, didn't you Chris?


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30/04/2020 2:07 pm  

@michael-staley

 

The Duck is right! :


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30/04/2020 5:30 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

The Duck is right! :

The Duck is Left!  He is generally nice to all people, even ravaging trolls. His posts are usually very liberal: He allows numbers to be rounded off in order to make everyone happy. He uses terms like maybe, close, sort of, could, might, which are not Right (like must, exact, certainly, absolute, undeniably).

However, do not be fooled. He is neither Right, Wrong, or Left. He is really Independent.


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30/04/2020 6:24 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

He uses terms like maybe, close, sort of, could, might

🙂 lol, is it that obvious? You can blame RAW for that, he was an influence when I was a dumb youngster. Either that or I'm just using his "maybe-logic" as an excuse for my fuzzy thinking.

I try to be nice mostly but forgive me if I get a bit irritable, I'm trying to manage nicotine-free these days though I still have the urge to reach for my vape pipe.


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30/04/2020 6:27 pm  
Posted by: @duck
Posted by: @christibrany

You do seem strangely pre-occupied with 'equality' and 'justice' 

Is that so, and why? 

Aeon of Maat? 🤨 

Aeon of Maat.....Exclamation Point!


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30/04/2020 6:46 pm  
Posted by: @christibrany

WTF is a cluster B disorder? 

Cluster B disorders come in four categories: Antisocial, Borderline, Histrionic, and Narcissistic personality disorders.

There is a link between Conduct Disorder(violent and disruptive behavior as a youth) and Cluster B disorders. Conduct Disorder is violent or disruptive tendencies such as bullying, fighting, cruelty, theft and vandalism. Although it should be noted that Conduct Disorder doesn't necessarily result in a Cluster B diagnosis.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/exploring-link-between-conduct-disorder-adolescence-and-personality-disorders-adulthood

Lee N. Robins, PhD, MA, gave us the first large-scale study on adults who displayed deviant behavior as children. She concluded that almost all adults with chronic antisocial behavior have shown conduct disorder symptoms as children, but only about one third of children with conduct disorder go on to have antisocial personality disorder as adults.

As research has repeatedly demonstrated, there is a strong correlation between childhood conduct disorder and a wide range of adverse psychosocial outcomes— including crime, substance use, relationship problems, and poor mental health. Other possible outcomes include other personality disorders and Axis I disorders, particularly psychoactive substance use disorders and mood disorders.

There's a lot of information out there and courses you can take if you want to learn more.

 

Posted by: @christibrany

You do seem strangely pre-occupied with 'equality' and 'justice' 

Is that so, and why?

There's a lot of effort being made to maintain inequality and injustice in the world. Where even the subtext of equality and justice is a threat that needs to be confronted and suppressed.

 

Every man and every woman is a star.

Equality and justice for all peoplekind.


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30/04/2020 7:33 pm  
Posted by: @xon

Every man and every woman is a star.

Equality and justice for all peoplekind.

Well said

93

Johnny


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01/05/2020 4:09 am  
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Posted by: @xon

Every man and every woman is a star.

Equality and justice for all peoplekind.

Well said

The Star part is fine. I can understand the Justice part; it's like karma. It's where people interpret things and apply what they feel is a proper application of the law of karma. It gets complicated, because they don't even begin to understand karma on its own level, but the intent is there to keep the field level.

Can someone define this "equality" thing? I know how it (supposedly) works out in society (poorly), but with everyone a no-difference Star up top, and everyone all different down below, I wonder which planes are what, and what plains are flat. Can someone define this "equality" thing?

 


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01/05/2020 4:59 am  
Posted by: @shiva

Can someone define this "equality" thing?

It's a delusion resulting from the first psychosis, the attribution of selfhood to those things which are not the self. The germ enters the mind when the ghost in the machine looks at other machines and supposes they have their own ghosts, or something the ghost thinks is itself but not itself (this terminal recursion how you know the ghost's notion is crazy).

It first afflicts when an infant is born and sees its own reflection in its mother's eyes. And after all, mother is the first other.


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01/05/2020 6:33 am  
Posted by: @shiva

Can someone define this "equality" thing?

Equality in context of Justice:

Impartiality, equal rights and equal opportunity. Equal liberty for life to realize love under will in the light and before the law.

Posted by: @shiva

I know how it (supposedly) works out in society (poorly),

It's working out pretty well out in Canada with equal opportunity for education, health, a social safety net, the same human rights. That's not to say there's not still lots of problems in the system or in dispute. The offices and forms for interpreting and dispensing natural justice still have many flaws, but improving. There is some resistance to change. Everyone has an opinion and given the same opportunity to express it and empower it with political will to bring it into fruition through parliamentary democracy. With that in mind it's understood that, like other artifacts of the physical plane, the societal forces that operate the metaphorical scales of natural justice have to maintain those scales. While it may be modeled after undiminished ideals of Justice it is understood that the peopled chambers aren't imperishable existing in a final perfect untouchable form in this world. There's no assumption 'the system is good enough' or that 'the institution will  always be safe'. These are monitored, protected and improved to prevent corruption and to encompass a developing civilization as people and society changes and integrates. All equally safe and protected with the same opportunities to grow into a flourishing future.


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01/05/2020 7:23 am  
Posted by: @djedi

mother is the first other.

In many cases, this is true. Some neonates catch the first glimpse of other in a doc or a nurse or a midwife.

Posted by: @xon

Equality in context of Justice:

Aha!  Got it!  "All men (etc) are born equal" ... under the law. Yes, that's the interpretation I was taught. I haven't found it to be applicable in the Malkuth court system, not usually, but it's a fine goal to endorse.

Equal access to healthcare would take a burden off of society's back. "All patients are created equal" ... under their legal rights. But once the get seen, there's something different to be seen in each honorable (and slovenly) patient. Unity with diversity.

Posted by: @xon

Equal liberty for life to realize love under will in the light and before the law.

I wrote Outside the Law (an international high-speed chase, with libations and ceremonial magic), and I just finished Inside the Law (a boring tale of self-delusion, with details). Now you place Before the Law before me for consideration.

Posted by: @xon

There is some resistance to change.

And object at rest tends to stay at rest (tamas) ... unless acted upon by some external force.

In this case (equality/justice) the outside force is groups that can bring pressure to cause change (magick, if the will is involved, not just programmed bias). You make a good point; what we need is a big bunch of more Paperwork Reduction Acts. This will come about to a great extent when we all get our microchips, tattoos, or branding marks.

Posted by: @xon

bring it into fruition through parliamentary democracy.

I don't know about B.C., or even New Mexico, but California and Oregon (plus many others - maybe all) have this "Initiative" thing whereby if you can get 100,000 sigs of registered voters, anything can go on the ballot. And then the majority of people who go to the polls will decide if this anything is a good deal.

A few recreational cannabis state  laws were thrust upon the hesitant parliament/legislature in this manner. This is the Dzogchen of political change, the "direct" path.

Posted by: @xon

prevent corruption

This is the greatest fly in the civil ointment. Third world countries seem to run on bribery and the corruption is so obvious that everyone (except first world tourists) accepts it as a natural function of their culture).

We, all of us here, know that the same game is played in the USA (it's called Lobbying). Down there (Mexico being a likely generic model for many others) it's open and on top of the table. Up here, it's all under the table. We the people get to see under that table from time to time.

 


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01/05/2020 8:08 am  
Posted by: @shiva

I don't know about B.C., or even New Mexico, but California and Oregon (plus many others - maybe all) have this "Initiative" thing whereby if you can get 100,000 sigs of registered voters, anything can go on the ballot. And then the majority of people who go to the polls will decide if this anything is a good deal.

A few recreational cannabis state  laws were thrust upon the hesitant parliament/legislature in this manner. This is the Dzogchen of political change, the "direct" path.

In B.C. establishing recreational laws were more serpentine than direct, both in political winding and the social normalization. Legislation isn't always like that though, there are doves that fly through to the Crown.

Posted by: @shiva

Now you place Before the Law before me for consideration.

Genesis device.


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