nobody ever finds a reason to visit this thread again?
The Day of the Lord, you know, the 23rd, comes (cometh) as a thief in the nighttime. The Threads shall pass away with a great noise, and the wicked shall be destroyed.
@the_real_simon_iff - I know you're excited, but the drooling is most unbecoming...
@thearthuremerson – My hearty congratulations to the only member populating this thread with balls enough to tackle the question.
You played the ‘Red Right Hand, by Proxy’ defence. So... Imagine you are interviewing Nick about his recent release, of which the artiste replies “I only received a copy of the single two years after its release and am in no way responsible for any of the songs on the album.” Allowing for creative idiosyncrasies, you’d rightly think the man a complete idiot!
Thankfully, he actually suggested “... sit on the piano, take a pen and paper, that’s it. The rest is up to God or inspiration.” This, I agree, is an adequate illustration of ‘the creative process’ in which Mr. Cave acknowledges the presence of his physical person, and participation.
The distinction is that Crowley unequivocally separates himself from Legis by stating that he is in no way responsible for a document which he did not come into possession of until over two years after its creation.
This declaration cannot be seen as a short-lived mental meltdown, because Crowley persevered with it across several years (Title/Cover page/folder and two sets of proofs). My solution is simple. Crowley originally hoped to pass this text off as the work of another (an Egyptian Adept named "Big Beast" in his diary). What other rational explanation is possible?
So, would anyone else like to suggest what notion Crowley was attempting to convey, other than the bleedin' obvious?
Hey, i have an idea, @therealrtc - this is a thread about your new book that you wrote, and hyped very heavily.
Howzabout if you were to discuss your claims in your new book specifically, and maybe even answer some of the many questions posed here by folks who have read your new book?
You know, your new book that everyone else keeps trying to discuss, while you, for some reason, keep changing the subject.
I think several of us are pretty familiar with your claims about Crowley generally.
Anyway, Arthur has provided you with the exceedingly obvious answer to your exceedingly obvious question.
Why don't you now pick one of the many open questions that have been posed to you, and answer it?
@the_real_simon_iff - I know you're excited, but the drooling is most unbecoming...
@therealrtc Dear Richard, I am not drooling, in fact, what I will publish tomorrow is so terribly boring, that no-one will even lose a drop of spit about it. Since it is clear that you have given up to defend your thesis and try to derail this thread into one of those many already existing curiousities that no-one is denying, why not open up a new thread about AC being in no way responsible for Liber L? Without any "Magickole Heir" and without your preconceived timeline and without anybody disagreeing with you being called a Crowleyite! And not forgetting that in his infamous unpublished prelude to "the Works" he also mentions two Crys of the Aethyrs which he is not responsible for.
But I digress. eLGMOR is a stillborn wreck of a theory. This is indeed your last chance to say "sorry, I have been taken away, I was wrong" (those things happen) or to probably never be taken seriously again. Or to answer all those questions posed at you and show us how stupid we are.
And okay, yes, just that my post tomorrow will not be too boring and too short I also will finally finish your watermark shit-thing, okay?
Can @therealrtc offer some explanation of why he absolutely refuses to discuss the contents of his new book, and responds to any attempt to discuss it with derailing, and changing the subject, other than the bleedin’ obvious?
I'd be far more interested in seeing @therealrtc responding to some recent fairly detailed questions addressed directly to him in relation to his claims.
Sure, but it's a far more magnanimous optimism than mine that thinks Cole either capable of or interested in doing any such thing.
@ignant666 – “... when you make a controversial/ iconoclastic argument, you do so knowing that you are expected to prove, and defend, your claims, by showing evidence, and knowing that your claims may not meet with universal, immediate adulation, and that you may even face some skepticism.”
– Given this reasonable scenario, it is taken as read that judge, prosecution and jury will be acquainted with the particulars of the case – Yes! So what place here for one who has not read the work in question and whose only contribution has been that of whooping sarcastically at every post tweaking his agenda. Seriously, @michael-staley, if you insist on getting perpetually lemon, at least have the common courtesy to read the book you’re pissing on, eh!
Incidentally, the “0°” axis is defined by the placement of the ‘Cross and X.’ There is nothing fanciful or meaningless about either the elegant mapping described, or the solution as a whole - As you are aware. The resistance you are creating is directly proportional to your fear of the content. In contrast, the other two solutions currently airing have not raised your ire, because they do not threaten your fantasy of Crowley’s fantasy.
@lashtal – An elegantly phrased post, with hardly a whiff of incendiarising polycarbonates.
Glad to hear that Lutz provided you with a source. I posted Yorke’s transcript (rather than Crowley’s original OS27 jobbie) precisely to see what sort of reaction it provoked. ‘Predictable’ is a good encapsulation.
The page 33 scan is what the cipher characters originally looked like as per Crowley’s MK1 Master of the Universe Scheme. Any decent scan will reveal the alterations, though I suspect that hi-quality scans of the MS leaves will not be forthcoming as such will make Crowley’s fakery easier to notice.
The remainder of your queries will be answered with the unleashment of “The Governing Dynamics of Thelema.” I hoped to have this ready this year, but the inclusion of two unanticipated titles may well push this back to 2021. Incidentally, the Horus Toy™ diminishes Bogus, eLGMOR and even Governing Dynamics to afterthoughts.
Think that’s everything. All that remains is to await Lutz busting a Thelemic cap in my lardy ass, tomorrow, and we will never speak of this again. It’s been... emotional.
The remainder of your queries will be answered with the unleashment of “The Governing Dynamics of Thelema.” I hoped to have this ready this year, but the inclusion of two unanticipated titles may well push this back to 2021. Incidentally, the Horus Toy™ diminishes Bogus, eLGMOR and even Governing Dynamics to afterthoughts.
You provide a non-answer to one of the many points i made, and also admit that the cipher you are "solving" is one you have invented through your fanciful alterations, and you think that is an adequate response?
The 0 degree axis you arbitrarily chose does pass through the x, that is true, but so do uncountable other possible "0 degree lines" you might have chosen instead.
"Elegant mapping? You are joking again, right? Extensive fudging is more like it.
And your "grid page" "solution" is literally totally meaningless, as in devoid of meaning: A list of four places in Cairo. Even less meaningful than your solution to the cipher that you have invented.
Can you comment on why you believe Crowley is responsible for the location of the Egyptian Museum?
@ignant666 – “... when you make a controversial/ iconoclastic argument, you do so knowing that you are expected to prove, and defend, your claims, by showing evidence, and knowing that your claims may not meet with universal, immediate adulation, and that you may even face some skepticism.”
– Given this reasonable scenario, it is taken as read that judge, prosecution and jury will be acquainted with the particulars of the case – Yes! So what place here for one who has not read the work in question and whose only contribution has been that of whooping sarcastically at every post tweaking his agenda. Seriously, @michael-staley, if you insist on getting perpetually lemon, at least have the common courtesy to read the book you’re pissing on, eh!
Incidentally, the “0°” axis is defined by the placement of the ‘Cross and X.’ There is nothing fanciful or meaningless about either the elegant mapping described, or the solution as a whole - As you are aware. The resistance you are creating is directly proportional to your fear of the content. In contrast, the other two solutions currently airing have not raised your ire, because they do not threaten your fantasy of Crowley’s fantasy.
@lashtal – An elegantly phrased post, with hardly a whiff of incendiarising polycarbonates.
Glad to hear that Lutz provided you with a source. I posted Yorke’s transcript (rather than Crowley’s original OS27 jobbie) precisely to see what sort of reaction it provoked. ‘Predictable’ is a good encapsulation.
The page 33 scan is what the cipher characters originally looked like as per Crowley’s MK1 Master of the Universe Scheme. Any decent scan will reveal the alterations, though I suspect that hi-quality scans of the MS leaves will not be forthcoming as such will make Crowley’s fakery easier to notice.
The remainder of your queries will be answered with the unleashment of “The Governing Dynamics of Thelema.” I hoped to have this ready this year, but the inclusion of two unanticipated titles may well push this back to 2021. Incidentally, the Horus Toy™ diminishes Bogus, eLGMOR and even Governing Dynamics to afterthoughts.
Think that’s everything. All that remains is to await Lutz busting a Thelemic cap in my lardy ass, tomorrow, and we will never speak of this again. It’s been... emotional.
@therealrtc The real funny thing is that somewhere in this rambling YOU YOURSELF FINALLY hit the point so very much to the extreme ... that right now it is really hard to wait another day! This really is the most perfect good-bye post you ever could have given. Because you yourself pointed out just what to do. (good-bye not for you of course, but your book)
The resistance you are creating is directly proportional to your fear of the content.
People who answered questions like this in court in the olden daze were either burned at the stake or carried down to the dungeons. Today, they start by prescribing Prozac(R). They may move up to Lithium (public domain). Electroshock Therapy comes next.
I posted Yorke’s transcript (rather than Crowley’s original OS27 jobbie) precisely to see what sort of reaction it provoked. ‘Predictable’ is a good encapsulation.
April Fool's Day rolls on to encompass the entire month. Perhaps the year or [gasp] The Aeon?
The remainder of your queries will be answered with the unleashment of “The Governing Dynamics of Thelema.”
Here we go, folks! Hang on for the ride. The Cole-fueled choo-choo train is getting ready to head out into futureland, a division of Disneyland(TM), Anyone going along for the ride does so ar their own risk and peril.
So... I asked my girlfriend, who was raised in Lebanon and reads and speaks fluently both Classic Arabic and the Lebanese dialect, to check out the arabic name the @therealrtc translates as "Big Beast" in "The Race to Conquer eLGMOR".
She reports that it transliterates as "Ajeeha" and doesn't mean anything in particular. Surely not "Big Beast".
@azrael2393 - Of course! I also consulted professors of middle eastern languages at Manchester, Leeds and Bradford universities, who all agree with Churton. But what do they know, eh...
@azrael2393 - Of course! I also consulted professors of middle eastern languages at Manchester, Leeds and Bradford universities, who all agree with Churton. But what do they know, eh...
@serpent252 - Tell me about it. There's a right draft blowing up the trap-door on this gibbet and I don't think that rope has been properly sanitised. Uugh...
I suppose, RTC, you could pass the time by answering some of the many questions that have been posed to you about your new book, the one this thread is about, you know, the book you refuse to talk about?
Can @therealrtc offer some explanation of why he has claimed for the last several years to have incontrovertible proof that the Pirie watermarks proved AL was not written in 1904, but now admits he has no such proof, other than the bleedin’ obvious?
Can @therealrtc offer some explanation of why his new "cipher solution" depends on fanciful substitution of characters in the cipher to generate a meaningless message, other than the bleedin’ obvious?
Can @therealrtc offer some explanation of why his new "grid page solution" depends on angles calculated from a totally arbitrary 0 degree line to generate meaningless "results", other than the bleedin’ obvious?
Can @therealrtc offer some explanation of why he thinks Ol' Fakey is responsible for the location of the various places in Cairo the GPS coordinates of which encode deep Qabalistic meaning (according to his new book), other than the bleedin’ obvious?
You could start with these four questions.
Oh, and can you offer some explanation of why you have claimed for the last several years to have the Rose Crowley diaries that you very clearly don't have and never did have, other than the bleedin’ obvious?
@ignant666 - Okay, I have a few minutes before my last supper...
1 - See TheGoverning Dynamics of Thelema
2 - "fanciful substitution" my arse. Look with an even keel and you will see the adjustments, but you'll never see anything from the old aeon crusties bench.
3 - Erm... angles as specified by Crowley (the... uhem... punctuation marks thing).
4 - Don't understand what you mean...
5 - See 1.
Any hope of you taking a stab at a simple question which seems to be proving unanswerably problematical for everyone...
“This MS,which came into my possession in July 1906[...]I am in no way responsible for any of these documents.”
Translations from the Cole in italics, my comments in normal type:
1) I was lying about this.
2) I am delusional, or lying, about this;
3) "Angles as specified by Crowley", maybe; but angles calculated from an absolutely arbitrary 0 degree line, that very definitely isn't parallel to "Crowley's line", as you falsely claim it is in eLGMOR.
And the "results" are literally totally meaningless- the best you can do in the book is to claim these four locations would have played some fake role in Ol' Fakey's fake March 1906 plan, if that had happened, instead of not happening.
And my great aunt Gertrude would have been an Olympic figure skating champion, if she had ever been born, instead of not ever existing.
4) In eLGMOR, and many posts here, you read deep Thelemic numerological significance into the sums of, and last few digits of, the six decimal place "digital degree" latitude and longitude coordinates of various Cairo locations. Do you understand that Aleister Crowley is not responsible for the locations of any of those places, and that your "findings" are thus coincidence, delusion, or evidence of praeterhuman authorship of AL?
5) I was lying about this.
You obviously have difficulty distinguishing truth/facts/evidence from what you wish were so, and are equal parts con-artist/liar, and deluded True Believer.
You are the first, and best, mark for your own con. And it looks like the only mark too.
Thank you for the response. Could I please have publication details of this book, and from where I may obtain it, because otherwise of course I cannot procure a copy to read.
You seem to be nit-picking about an off-topic topic. I said, "or Both," implying that there is/was/were a CHOICE OF TWO DIFFERENT BUT SIMILAR things. Now, we really need to be watching the RTC Heresy Trial.
However there's no reason why Both could not have been done (that is, discussion of the off-topic and on-topic, as you yourself have done many times in the past Shiva!)
Please stop bothering me. I am watching the trial. There WILL be a crisis event connected with 5=6 Outer shifting to 5=6 Inner. It is called an imprint. It can take many forms
But it would have been less specific and more 'universal' and clearer, if you had put "had their own crisis event" instead of "their own Cairo Epiphany".
Not responding (to queries arising from one's own statements made while in the course of a debate) is clandestine irregular, but on this occasion, and since you also said "Please", I will
What happened to your claim to possess Rose's alleged diary
Further clarification is needed; although I remember @RTC making a reference to Rose, I can't recall him actually making a specific allusion to a lost diary of hers revealing the truth behind the events in Cairo, etc. Speculation at the time also included it might have been the rediscovery of her doctor's case notes taken from when she was admitted into the asylum and in which she would have been candid about what had gone on while with the Beast and the part she played in his shenaningans operations, etc. What is it you actually have there, Richard?
Any decent scan will reveal the alterations, though I suspect that hi-quality scans of the MS leaves will not be forthcoming as such will make Crowley’s fakery easier to notice.
Sorry, for the delay. Have been working until now.
As I already said yesterday it was quite nice to read RTC's latest ramble because somewhere in there he hit the nail for me (see the quote) and gave me an elegant start for my "review". What can I say? Super hires color scans from Liber AL indeed exist and I was able to obtain them. Of course not the whole book, just the part with II:76, but that's all I need, because it shows clearly what I suspected all along. Not one of those alterations Mr. Cole bases his whole solution on were ever made. The whole "flow", the "rhythm" of the pen, the pressure and subsequent darkness of the ink, it all shows clearly this was written in one session. There never was an "e" or "l" where clearly the "a" is, of course there never was a question mark or anything else. Of course it is also totally unconceivable that AC managed to keep the pen and ink for a period of one to three years. But again, even if he had, there clearly was no alteration. And that's about it. I wanted to say some more about RTC's "line and circle" solution, but ignant666 already pointed out the sheer ridiculousness of it. Only this: AC traced the Nile, but of a mirrored map of Cairo, and that is why the circle is on the other side of the line in his "solution". The strange part is that the direction of the Nile, though mirrored, hasn't changed.
And that is absolutely all I have to say. I am in no way affiliated with any organisation and was told that I am free to show the part of the scan. And while I was not sure if a big "we want hires scans" whining would follow, I decided to show it.
Here it is:
Love=Law
Lutz
P.S. This is not even half of the scan resolution, but I guess it is more than enough.
Thank you for the response. Could I please have publication details of this book, and from where I may obtain it, because otherwise of course I cannot procure a copy to read.
@michael-staley If you send me your post adress to lutz@lutzlemke.de I will send you my spare copy and you don't have to wait for Lulu to print it.
Sounds like you have unorthodox ventriloquists operating round your parts.
Well, I must admit to being a puppet, because I have written in books and scribbled on forums that I am a puppet, although I have never used the word "Poopit" "puppet," and not even the word"dummy."
But I have used words like Dork, and Vehicle, and Lower Self. And these all mean the same thing. The only question is ...
Who is the Ventriloquist ?
We can chose from Higher Self, V5, Angelic HGA, Aiwass, a (any) Master/Magus, Guru, Adept, Lodge Master, Immediate Superior A.'.A.'. Line of Ascent, One's Mother, Father, or Stern Guardian, The Girl Next Door, Mental Hackers, The Borg, Evil Magicians, Agents of The Black lodge and its (c)incorporated and adopted stepchild The Deep State which also sponsors Moloch child-eating ceremonies, and (you know) the list can go on.
I am sorry to see that in your randori demonstration that you have been overwhelmed. The failure to answer a (any) specific question, by bouncing back a question, or deferring to some future that is only imaginary at this time in The Cosmic Changeover, is the same as being dumped to the mat or your tap of submission on the mat.
And I haven't even gotten to the Iff Revelation of the 23rd April Fool, yet.
However there's no reason why Both could not have been done (that is, discussion of the off-topic and on-topic, as you yourself have done many times in the past Shiva!)
Many have sinned, but few are chosen. Yes, we both, like many others, are guilty of wandering. In this case I had not yet followed developments in the blasphemy capital felony tribunal case, and I wasn't up to dealing with nit-pickery about something I said that was clear. Did you know that I (and Tiger) write in secret codes, and that (almost) everyone know exactly what we mean ... except for you, and you know who?
Let my apologize for my brevity and reproof and return to the off-topic topic that was not off-topic because RTC called people Crowleyites of some similar hate-crime term. Thus ...
You (anyone) may pick or reassemble any dual choices of any kind, including the option of BOTH being eith true or false, according to your own intuition and reference to my works. Welcome to the 4th dimension.
I was not sure if a big "we want hires scans" whining would follow
I'll try not to whine about it. This one pic of the cipher is more than enough for now.
My brief analysis on what I see in this pic: It looks like AC wrote a "crap" 6 in the 4638 and extended it to make it less "crap". I can remember many instances of doing something similar when jotting down numbers, occasionally one of the numbers you write is "crap" and you correct it so there is no ambiguity when you need to read it in future. I believe this could be the same thought process that lead him to put the "brackets" on the 24 and 89.
Translations from the Cole in italics, my comments in normal type:
1) I was lying about this.
2) I am delusional, or lying, about this;
3) "Angles as specified by Crowley", maybe; but angles calculated from an absolutely arbitrary 0 degree line, that very definitely isn't parallel to "Crowley's line", as you falsely claim it is in eLGMOR.
And the "results" are literally totally meaningless- the best you can do in the book is to claim these four locations would have played some fake role in Ol' Fakey's fake March 1906 plan, if that had happened, instead of not happening.
And my great aunt Gertrude would have been an Olympic figure skating champion, if she had ever been born, instead of not ever existing.
4) In eLGMOR, and many posts here, you read deep Thelemic numerological significance into the sums of, and last few digits of, the six decimal place "digital degree" latitude and longitude coordinates of various Cairo locations. Do you understand that Aleister Crowley is not responsible for the locations of any of those places, and that your "findings" are thus coincidence, delusion, or evidence of praeterhuman authorship of AL?
5) I was lying about this.
You obviously have difficulty distinguishing truth/facts/evidence from what you wish were so, and are equal parts con-artist/liar, and deluded True Believer.
You are the first, and best, mark for your own con. And it looks like the only mark too.
It is the SUMMATION, the closing argument of the prostitution persecutionprosecution. It did not call for burning or torture, not even a fine. No jail time recommended. Maybe some mirror gazing as a community service. You know, The Confessions of a Magicole Hare. I would recommend about 500 online hours of streaming Confessions.
Thank you for the response. Could I please have publication details of this book, and from where I may obtain it, because otherwise of course I cannot procure a copy to read.
@michael-staley If you send me your post adress to lutz@lutzlemke.de I will send you my spare copy and you don't have to wait for Lulu to print it.
"The Governing Dynamics of Thelema" is a forthcoming title not yet available.
I had thought it unpublished, considering the response from Carrot_Childe just another example of his ignorant trolling, and thus was surpised when you suggested it was available. Never mind; I'd still like to take you up on your offer.
