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Jamie J Barter
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24/04/2020 9:53 am  
Posted by: @serpent252

So, if I may borrow the expression from you, enjoy.

You may certainly do so, of course!  Ideally though, the suggestion is meant to slip past consciously registering with the 'censor' & act/imprint subliminally

Posted by: @threefold31

Are we done now?

So, has all that countdown come down to naught then? (pun unintended)

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24/04/2020 10:54 am  

I believe Marvin Gaye said God wrote the "What's Goin On"' album at the time.  AC said he wasn't responsible for AL.  In fact AC went down on record as saying that initially he didn't like a lot of the content of AL which suggests he saw it as separate from himself.

Likewise Cave has said about his early Birthday Party lyrics, words to the effect of "I don't know what possessed me to write what I did".  Cave has also said that when he releases an album he wants to move on and forget about it as if it's some sort of disease.  In fact he may've explained that he gave up responsibity for it.  I don't have the magazine sources sorry.

AC was a romantic poet whereby the notion of Daemon or Muse as totally separate from the ID would've been de rigueur.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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24/04/2020 1:55 pm  

Apologising for double post but anyone who knows the basics of the inception story should be familiar with the separate nature with which AC viewed Aiwass.

In the Equinox of the Gods he refers to Aiwass as "the speaker....a tall,dark man in his mid 30s,well-knit, active and strong..etc".   

He went to great pains to profess that Aiwass was entirely separate from him possessing far more Cabbalstic knowledge "to my own".  That led him to write "we are forced to conclude that the author of The Book of the Law is an intelligence both alien and superior to myself."

In conclusion it would be highly appropriate then, in such a case, for AC to admit that he had no responsibility for the production of those relevant documents.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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24/04/2020 2:12 pm  

And AC, especially during the "scientific illuminism"/A.'. A.'./Equinox period, engaged in a whole lot of deliberate mystification around who exactly wrote what. He wrote almost the entire contents of the Equinox, but under a great many names and identities. He published many literary and occult works under many names. He delighted in "cosplay" and pretending to be various things he was not, including an English gentleman, a Scottish laird, a Persian prince, an Irish revolutionary, etc.

"The Master Therion", "V.V.V.V.V.", and "Aleister Crowley" were supposed to be three different people. He did this out of sheer childish play-acting, and also to make it appear that the "terrestrial" A.'. A.'. was actually a real organization with more than a few members, led by mysterious Secret Chiefs.


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24/04/2020 2:22 pm  

@the_real_simon_iff – I am surprised that the single pertinent point raised by Lutz’s party-line nuke has been overlooked.  For years, decades, individuals, groups, researchers and all with an interest have called for the release of hi-res scans of the Legis manuscript.  Indeed, the Home Page of this resource reproduces a petition seeking this very aim... All to no avail.  Yet, yet... When it is perceived that such may prop-up Crowley’s (profitable, for some) fiction, what do you know...

Super hires color scans from Liber AL indeed exist and I was able to obtain them

Once again, the guardians of the status quo demonstrate both a ‘private larder’ mentality with respect to Crowley material, and a comprehensive unsuitability to manage his legacy.  A select elite, prepared to defend the official line, gorge themselves on secret treasures whilst everyone else sucks seventy-year old crumbs. Can I ask, Lutz, were the hi-res scans of Legis part payment for your sterling work defending a change (F/K) that was wrong in both letter and spirit?

Am I alone in feeling repulsed by these practices?


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24/04/2020 2:25 pm  

Yeah but he never described Perdurabo or V.V.V.V.V. etc as wholly separate entities in the same stark manner that he did with regards to Aiwass as stated.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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24/04/2020 2:45 pm  

@dom - "... highly appropriate then, in such a case, for AC to admit that he had no responsibility for the production of those relevant documents."

- A variation of the 'Red Right Hand by Proxy' defence, and equally invalid.  Ignoring the inconvenient fact of Crowley unequivocally stating that he was "in no way responsible for any of these documents," he also stated that Legis only "came into my possession in July 1906." So, which version of the lie do you prefer?


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24/04/2020 2:47 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

Am I alone in feeling repulsed by these practices?

Am i alone in being impressed at your relentless "DEFLECT! DEFLECT! DEFLECT!" response to all criticism of your shoddy work?

Lutz' post definitively demonstrates that your "cipher solution" is a wholly fanciful solution to a wholly fanciful cipher that you have invented out of your fevered imagination, and desperate desire to "get the goods on" Ol' Fakey.

There simply were no manuscript alterations to the cipher characters. This is plain as day, and utterly indisputable, after viewing the hi-res image he posted.

Your cipher solution is utterly and totally discredited.

But what you want to talk about is fevered conspiracy claims about how Lutz is getting secret scans from the (c)OTO as payback for his kill/fill services. And can you please clarify why on earth you would care if Ol' Fakey's fake book that he faked is altered in ways that are "wrong in both letter and spirit?

That is, after you admit "I was dead fucking wrong about Ol' Fakey altering the cipher, because we can clearly see that he did no such thing."


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24/04/2020 3:15 pm  

RTC's lame attempts at "defending" the indefensible remind me of the old lawyers' maxim "When the law is on your side, pound the law. When the facts are your side, pound the facts. When the law and the facts are against you, pound the table."


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24/04/2020 3:50 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

Am I alone in feeling repulsed by these practices?

Certainly not. I too am repulsed by your inability to answer points raised by ignant666, Lutz, and Paul Feazey, amongst others, concerning your latest publication which was supposed to not only solve II.76 but also prove that Crowley fabricated the Caiiro Reception. Once again, you fail utterly to prove your claims; once again, you are all mouth and no trousers; once again, you have no credibility whatever.

There are many people on this website, I think, who are open to the possibility that Crowley fabricated the Cairo Reception, and would concede the point were convincing evidence to be brought forward. However, despite your loud and repeated claims over the years - reminiscent of a demented parrot, the ruder amongst us might think - you have brought no such evidence. Instead, you thresh about to twist this, that, and the other to "prove" your point, to no avail. Whilst most people here are open minded, your mind is closed, to the point of obsession. 

Seriously, mate, it's getting to be a bit much.


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24/04/2020 4:14 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

There are many people on this website, I think, who are open to the possibility that Crowley fabricated the Cairo Reception, and would concede the point were convincing evidence to be brought forward. 

There are even some of us who are certain that, at the very least, AC's "official version" leaves really a lot out.

I think the most likely explanation for the many well-known gaps/contradictions in the record are that "the ritual [was] of sex", and AC did not want to go to prison for having sex with men, or suffer social obloquy for having three-ways with men of color and Rose on his honeymoon, or have her brother kill him for the same reason.

But RTC is obsessed with his Bogus story and Ol' Fakey having faked this fake thing that nonetheless is a super-important revelation that leads to the all-powerful "Horus Toy", for which we wait with less-than-bated breath. As a result, he is among the least useful critics/observers of AC's gaps/contradictions, because he sees everything through this delusional "Ol' Fakey" lens so totally as to fabricate/invent evidence, possibly without even understanding that he is doing so.

I have been for some time unable to make up my mind exactly where on the delusional/con-man scale RTC falls. With eLGMOR, and his responses to criticism of it, it is clear that RTC is a delusional wack-a-loon par excellence. He just makes stuff up, and then fervently believes it is true.


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24/04/2020 5:06 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

The only thing of any possible interest in the book i did get is that the "Horus Toy" is a physical device.

Did you ever see that crazy Charles Bronson movie '10 to midnight' about a Hispanic serial rapist who is after Branson's nurse daughter?  There is a scene where Bronson,a cop, questions him and throws a 'jacking-off machine" on the table, it was retrieved from his ( the killer's )flat.   I'm beginning to think that rtc has in his possession that very machine.  

Any Brits here remember Channel 4's Eurotrash? It looks like  rtc is heading there with all this.  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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24/04/2020 5:24 pm  

Well, we know so far that it is a physical device, and has something to do with "jerking off", and may induce androgyny. And is all-powerful to change reality, except when it isn't.

They used to tell young boys that masturbation would lead to insanity, and hair growing on their palms. We have some evidence as to the former with eLGMOR.

Inquiring minds want to know: Does @therealrtc shave his palms, or use a depilatory?


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24/04/2020 6:25 pm  

@ignant666

Hahahrr!

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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24/04/2020 8:37 pm  
Posted by: @dom

"we are forced to conclude that the author of The Book of the Law is an intelligence both alien and superior to myself."

Quantum (8th) Neurocircuit. Binah and all stations upward. "Alien" is a key phrase of 8th circuit encounters.

"Myself" implies the "thinking mind" (egocentric), while "superior intelligence" implies the "mind" in its pure state.

I am citing terms from The Great Perfection, a coffee-table (large size) hardback book(let) of only a few pages, with many coloured illustrations, on Dzogchen, which resolves any differences between any one system/path and any other.

As a courtesy to LAShTAL readers, who don't need another damned book, but want to know the intricate secrets of the 2=0 maneuver, I will be posting a free pdf, in full, living color, on its own thread, so I believe it's time to pull the tractor back on the tracks of ...

eLGMOR.

Posted by: @ignant666

"The Master Therion", "V.V.V.V.V.", and "Aleister Crowley" were supposed to be three different people. He did this out of sheer childish play-acting, and also to make it appear that the "terrestrial" A.'. A.'. was actually a real organization with more than a few members, led by mysterious Secret Chiefs.

Say, this sums up a multiple-personality disorder diagnosis rather well.

 In all this schizophrenia, I have found one, consistent delineation, and I have (for a very long time) advised people that in understanding Crowley, one must determine the level from which it was written.

Thus we have either the signature of the officer (i.e. O.M. 7=4), or the Class of Publication (A, B, C, D) ... with an interesting addition of Class E in The Blue Equinox, of which I have seen no definition, but obviously means A message from the Magus unto Humanity.

Posted by: @therealrtc

Am I alone in feeling repulsed by these practices?

My god, my god, why hastethest thine Toy(TM) forsaken me?

 


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24/04/2020 9:16 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Don't you dare come whining around for more, later.

I'll do my best not to, but there's only so much I can contain myself knowing what quality scans are available (...with purple "stops" can you believe it?).


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24/04/2020 9:23 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Am i alone in being impressed at your relentless "DEFLECT! DEFLECT! DEFLECT!" response to all criticism of your shoddy work?

These are called BLOCKS. As you well know, a well-defended opponent presents an opportunity to demonstrate how to get through a barrage with a single, well-aimed blow.

Posted by: @ignant666

your "cipher solution" is a wholly fanciful solution to a wholly fanciful cipher that you have invented

This is more to the point.

Posted by: @ignant666

Your cipher solution is utterly and totally discredited.

And this is the point.

Loss of accreditation, or credibility, may follow as a karmic penalty resultant.

Posted by: @ignant666

"I was dead fucking wrong about Ol' Fakey altering the cipher, because we can clearly see that he did no such thing."

This would be the beginning of the 500-hour streaming Confessions I mentioned earlier.

Posted by: @ignant666

He just makes stuff up, and then fervently believes it is true.

I cover this in my upcoming. Forms automatically arise in the pure mind. Sentient beings notice these forms and become dependent originations, who are bound to illusion as their source. For context, the opposite is Buddha-nature.

 


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24/04/2020 9:40 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

@the_real_simon_iff – I am surprised that the single pertinent point raised by Lutz’s party-line nuke has been overlooked.  For years, decades, individuals, groups, researchers and all with an interest have called for the release of hi-res scans of the Legis manuscript.  Indeed, the Home Page of this resource reproduces a petition seeking this very aim... All to no avail.  Yet, yet... When it is perceived that such may prop-up Crowley’s (profitable, for some) fiction, what do you know...

Super hires color scans from Liber AL indeed exist and I was able to obtain them

Once again, the guardians of the status quo demonstrate both a ‘private larder’ mentality with respect to Crowley material, and a comprehensive unsuitability to manage his legacy.  A select elite, prepared to defend the official line, gorge themselves on secret treasures whilst everyone else sucks seventy-year old crumbs. Can I ask, Lutz, were the hi-res scans of Legis part payment for your sterling work defending a change (F/K) that was wrong in both letter and spirit?

Am I alone in feeling repulsed by these practices?

@therealrtc Maybe I am just a nice guy? I saw even without hires scans that the alterations you supposed to have happened were bullshit. I am way too lazy to do Gematria, I also lost all overview on the line and cross thing, and for years I never checked the stele typo. But still I wanted an easy way to disprove your solution, not for personal reasons (we two also have "worked" together for quite some time), but for - heaven's sake! - "A Beglamor? RSVP to L". That's it? Nooooo! So, what to do? I don't know any of these guys, I am not OTO, I just love to do a little research. So I wrote them, "Hey, I would like to disprove this clown, are there hires scans of Liber AL, I would be satisfied with the riddle only, even with the letters in question only. Thank you, Lutz". And you know what? 10 minutes later I have a dropbox link in my mail. Of course I am overwhelmed and of course my first guess is "Why don't we all have those?". But it is as it is and it is all I need, case closed. eLGMOR is a joke, a hoax, a big mistake at best. Is this because I have been helpful in finding some Kill instances that have been overlooked then? Maybe. I'll never know probably. My guess is the "silence the clown" part was more important - and would this come as a surprise really? But you are free to revisit the old threads about Fill/Kill and see that I always stated that to me personally the "Kill" has been always more fitting than "Fill". You know, like in simply having different taste. Had nothing to do with OTO, but if it makes you happy, you are free to believe whatever you like. I am quite disappointed that you try to take a trump-ish turn here and call me member or friend to "a select elite, prepared to defend the official line, gorge themselves on secret treasures" because this was never about an official line to be defended. This was just about you defending your alternative timeline, which of couse you can't. To prove that you are as wrong as anyone can get doesn't mean that I (or they) are as right as it gets. It was just about proving you wrong, not about proving some other thing right. To think otherwise is a serious logical problem, I hope you get that. Of course I knew that some people would just be doing this whining thing ("We want hires scans!") and I even told them so, but they said I am free to do what I want with the file. So I am grateful they gave me the opportunity to stop this eLGMOR madness quite elegantly. And I have to admit, you are probably not alone in feeling repulsed by the fact that the OTO does not do what many people what them to do. But that is their business alone. I am also convinced many people feel repulsed by your practices. That's a thing with people. They feel like this sometimes. It is in the people really, not in the thing they might feel repulsed by.

Anyway, this was done to get rid of eLGMOR, and I think some day you will glad it went so smooth, there is  still a lot of webspace left here to discuss other Liber AL oddities, but you might want to get rid of your agenda first to discuss these sensibly. If not, I fear, there will be quite the same amount of unfriendliness until "666, Sex and the New Aeon of Horus", "The Paranormal Decided", "The Governing Dynamics of Thelema" or "The One Hour Tarot Hammer" are published, is the Horus Toy thing in one of these by the way or is it a fifth title?

It is no wonder that you did not answer any of the questions thrown at you, because clearly this eLGMOR thing was an abortion from the start (just like the watermark and the Rose diaries), and you tried to carry it as long as you could, which means not a week.

Let's close this silly thread and move on.

Love=Law

Lutz

P.S. I still think Kill sounds better...


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24/04/2020 9:41 pm  
Posted by: @dom

AC went down on record as saying that initially he didn't like a lot of the content of AL which suggests he saw it as separate from himself. [...] In conclusion it would be highly appropriate then, in such a case, for AC to admit that he had no responsibility for the production of those relevant documents.

But this is more or less the same thing that Arthur was saying just the other day in this same thread a couple of pages back, wasn't it?

Posted by: @therealrtc

A select elite, prepared to defend the official line, gorge themselves on secret treasures whilst everyone else sucks seventy-year old crumbs.

But what "secret treasures"? Grant and Yorke already copied all the most important (treasurely) stuff which went to Germer (and then on to the (c)O.T.O./ the Warburg) after Crowley's death...

Posted by: @shiva

with an interesting addition of Class E in The Blue Equinox, of which I have seen no definition, but obviously means A message from the Magus unto Humanity.

But in that case wouldn't that make Liber Legis (as Class A) interchangeable with Class E as well?

However though, Class E is also defined elsewhere in several places rather more prosaically/banally as "consisting of public announcements and broadsheets".

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24/04/2020 9:44 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Quantum (8th) Neurocircuit. Binah and all stations upward. "Alien" is a key phrase of 8th circuit encounters.

"Luckily for you, I'm an eighth degree imaginationist."

Posted by: @shiva

"Myself" implies the "thinking mind" (egocentric), while "superior intelligence" implies the "mind" in its pure state.

Posted by: @shiva

Forms automatically arise in the pure mind.

'Automatically,' deriving from the Greek αὐτός which means 'self'. How can anything occur automatically in the 'pure mind' if it is possessed of no outward magnitude to give rise to action? Is this where white scholastic ethics begins to combat black scholastic theory?

Not to distract from the topic of this thread, but it really seems to me as though it's in a downward spiral, anyway. I hope the 'Horus Toy' comes in crimson.

 


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24/04/2020 9:50 pm  
Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

is the Horus Toy thing in one of these by the way or is it a fifth title?

The Horus Toy is not a mere book, but is a "jack off machine" that confers superpowers, such as self-delusion.

See also "orgone accumulator"; "orgone cannon"


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24/04/2020 10:21 pm  

@therealrtc I nearly forgot about the watermark thingie. Well, what you tried to sell us in Liber Bogus is so wrong on all levels that it qualifies as a fake, doesn't it? The coat of arms is so totally wrong in every detail, the "Standard Typewriting" font is outlined, not filled, and of course there is no date between the crown (which is also horribly wrong in your book) and the coat of arms. People just look at the attached pic. I also phoned with the nice people at Aberdeen University these days, who hold all the papers of Pirie and Sons, and there is still no-one who can identify or even date this watermark. Unfortunately the collection (especially the patents and trademarks) is still not digitised and I am always welcome to study it in person. You are welcome.

grafik

If there are doubts, RTC's fake is on the left


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24/04/2020 10:32 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666
Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

is the Horus Toy thing in one of these by the way or is it a fifth title?

The Horus Toy is not a mere book, but is a "jack off machine" that confers superpowers, such as self-delusion.

See also "orgone accumulator"; "orgone cannon"

I've found it, danger you may damage yourself with excessive laughter on watching this scene (from movie 10 to Midnight) whereby cop Bronson throws the killer's 'jacking -off machine' on the table in the police interview room;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONhA915mkSI

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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24/04/2020 10:35 pm  

I was wondering what happened to that. You'd mentioned you were going to post something about watermarks.

RTC's photoshopped fake has lines that are much too narrow to be a real watermark, and way too much detail. Watermarks are an innately super low-resolution format that is hard to fake convincingly with digital software.

Thanx so much for this too.


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24/04/2020 10:46 pm  

Rare close-up photo of an early prototype of the Horus Toy™ "jack off machine", from clandestine film captured by Special .'. Agent .'. david:

Horus Toy

Not shown: Special XI "Alice Is HOT At Home Tonight!"™/"Members whose names are never disclosed" Deep-Penetration Attachment. Remember, this is an androgynous/post-gender "jack off machine".


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24/04/2020 11:29 pm  
Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

I am way too lazy to do Gematria

Excessive Gematria depletes the Spleen Chi and leads to disorders in the thinking principle. The wise man pretends laziness to obscure his conservation of engy (Chi).

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

But in that case wouldn't that make Liber Legis (as Class A) interchangeable with Class E as well?

Yes. In some theoretical dimension beyond my present capacity.

No. Aiwass authored AL. An Ip.
Therion chanted the Class Es. A Magus.
Different levels and editions,
according to the traditions.

Posted by: @djedi

Automatically,' deriving from the Greek αὐτός which means 'self'. How can anything occur automatically in the 'pure mind' if it is possessed of no outward magnitude to give rise to action? Is this where white scholastic ethics begins to combat black scholastic theory?

Yes, it's a great mystery, the explanation of paradox at the deepest (highest) levels by olde Tibetan scholars, not me, in the on-its-way free pdf, with opportunities to purchase a picture-text book to impress your guests. This mystery is printed therein, and I'm actually right now way too busy to copy and paste the proper section, which is my usual trick.

If there is any last single person who wishes to speak up for defendant Cole Hair, who stands (seemingly) convicted of incredibility by the Tribunal, before he is sentenced, rebuked, or dismissed by reason of insanity, you better move fast and get your post in

 


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25/04/2020 12:05 am  
Posted by: @shiva

If there is any last single person who wishes to speak up for defendant Cole Hair, who stands (seemingly) convicted of incredibility by the Tribunal, before he is sentenced, rebuked, or dismissed by reason of insanity, you better move fast and get your post in

Don't be afraid, my buddies in McOTO will have this thread locked soon enough...


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25/04/2020 1:06 am  
Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

@ignant666 That's a shame, I had hoped you can chime in as soon as possible. So to not have this discussion alone with Richard (not that anybody thinks this is a personal thing) I thought I'll just leave some food for further thought on a matter we have already discussed or at least mentioned: the buttons!

From the book: "Crowley's inclusion of the curious (sic!) 'inverted brackets' above and below the numerals '24' and '89' seemed indicative to me that he intended to convey a meaning other than purely numeric. The 'frames' suggested 'rotation.'"

Are those brackets "curious"?

For your consideration here are some examples what Crowley did when he wanted to make sure that letters belong together and should not be adressed seperately (and please admire his sensationally good eyesight in the fifth and seventh example in the pic with the words "leaf" and "Shall", this is really concentrated proofreading):

grafik

That's by the way is in my opinion a reason to decline solutions that use "4638" as a 4-digit number.

Love=Law

Lutz

That provides us with the method that AC used when he wanted to make a series of letters gel as one word or entity.  There's  a lot of evidence there for 24 and 89 to be taken as separate entities. 

Case closed right there basically.     

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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25/04/2020 2:04 am  
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So AC used a very slow plan to topple Mathers?  The defence-mechanisms of 'y'all are just religionists' is, well, present .   The following point(s) raised by Ignant need to be addressed properly i.e.  I am the warrior Lord of future GPS coordinates lol.   I guess you haven't come up with an adequate explanation for that yet.   How much more time do you need?
Posted by: @ignant666

Alright, i have now completed my first read-through.

Short review: Just laughably bad, much worse than my low expectations.

An "unquestionable" solution" this ain't, nor is it marked by "the most sublime simplicity", or indeed any trace of any simplicity. "Mindbogglingly convoluted mystical mathematics" is more like it (a phrase RTC uses to critique other solutions- pot/kettle?). As to "immediate conviction"- oh, please.

This book isn't going to convince anyone of anything, nor will it shake anyone's faith in Ol' Fakey one iota. His solutions to both the cipher and grid page are heavily dependent on special pleading, giant leaps of logic, and make zero sense anyway. He still has no straight answer as to the whole Aiwass' GPS issue, and can't even accurately quote the title of the wikipedia article that supplies the total of his knowledge here.

 

It is very hard to imagine that @therealrtc can possibly think anyone will take this utter nonsense seriously. The only answer i can think of is: Maybe this is some sort of very elaborate prank?

Longer review to follow. Will have to wait a couple days to recover.

 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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25/04/2020 4:54 pm  
Posted by: @shiva
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But in that case wouldn't that make Liber Legis (as Class A) interchangeable with Class E as well?

Yes. In some theoretical dimension beyond my present capacity.

No. Aiwass authored AL. An Ip.
Therion chanted the Class Es. A Magus.
Different levels and editions,
according to the traditions.

No.  Except that Class E didn't mean anything of the sort (="A message from the Magus unto humanity"), and you don't think Aiwass was an independent, external praeterhuman entity/"author" anyway but a much higher aspect of AC's intelligence/ mental consciousness.

Yes.  Except that technically the Ip doesn't "speak"/ reveal himself but instead would devolve (?) that transmission to the Logos/ Magus (=and as in Crowley never signed himself 10=1, only 9=2)

Posted by: @therealsimoniff

Super hires color scans from Liber AL indeed exist and I was able to obtain them

I must say, these "super hi res scans" don't seem much more super hi res or detailed than other ones which I've seen.  And "Purple stops"?

N Joy


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@ignant666

Apparently Cole has seen Rose Kelly's diaries or was it Jamie Barter who said no in fact Cole has seen other related relevant documents?   How I'd love to know.  Does this sound like a shrewd/sneaky(?) tactic akin to the (murky geddit?) water-mark claim?  As discussed by belmurru in this thread;

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/evidence-in-richard-t-coles-liber-l-vel-bogus/        posted at 09/01/2016

 

where his (belmurru's) auctioneer-friend stated that is was almost impossible to determine which company used what papers a century ago, it's just almost certainly lost to history like finding a needle in a haystack.   Convenient that isn't it?    

 

Anyway back to your review of Cole's book;

 Cipher Solution

I am not going to say much about RTC's cipher solution(s). They are ridiculous, and the results silly. The idea that this "A beglamor?" nonsense was the best Ol' Fakey could come up with as proof that he had met this "Egyptian Adept" and been give that Prophet's New Bible is just plain silly.
 
Beglamour
VERB (transitive) 

 

 

 

to endow with glamour?
 
To endow who or what with glamour?  Glamour in what context?
 
 
RTC's solution is not to the cipher as it exists on the manuscript page, but to a cipher of his own invention,......
 
He claims that Crowley made five changes in this cover-up:
 
  1. The "6" in "4638" "has been replaced with larger example of the same number" This is a bit like the claim that Shakespeare's plays were not written by him, but by another man of the same name.

I suppose Cole's point is that well if he went back and made the '6' more elongated then he therefore went back and changed a few things more. 

  1.  
  2. It is "self-evident" that the "A" in "ALGMOR" was originally a lower case "l" or possibly an "e". Not to me, and if it is so "self evident", why aren't you sure what it was originally? Ridiculous and obviously wrong.

 

An idiosyncratic habit to scrawl notes for oneself using lower and upper case letters in the same word?  Why not?  I'm havving that as a lower case 'a'.  

  1. The "3" after "ALGMOR" "began life as a "?" Even more ridiculous, and even more obviously wrong.

If anyone in human history ever wrote a number '3' it was then and there.

 

  1. The "Y" immediately after is actually an "I" or possibly a "1". Doesn't look like it to me at all, but possible.

There are experts who study how and why people write each letter the way they do however thus far Cole's theory is falling apart there. 

 
So he does not in fact present a solution to the cipher. Even after he makes all his desired changes, the "solution" is just banal and silly and totally pointless and meaningless:
 
414 2 418 24 03 1906
A beglamor? RSVP to L
 
How would this convince anyone that AC was the Destined Holy Errand Boy Of The Beast? Or convince anyone of anything?
 
 
Endow with glamour and then "RSVP" (which comes from the French expression répondez s'il vous plaît, meaning "please respond." If RSVP is written on an invitation, it means the host has requested that the guest respond to say if they plan to attend the party)...so ..please come to the party to 'L''?   I don't know. 
 
 
Grid Page Solution
 
It is impossible to exaggerate the totally arbitrary nature of the methods used in RTC's grid page "solution", or to exaggerate the utterly trivial nature of the results produced.
 
Remember Graham Hancock?  He made a comfortable living making books about the Giza Pyramids and how they were built as a mirror of Orion's Belt.  The BBC blew him out of the water by providing the obvious facts that pyramids are all over the Nile and that Texas sharp shooters can derive any terrestrial map from any heavenly body they want.   How did he protest?  He said the BBC were, wait for it, 'uncharitable' in their analysis.  Kind of bringing a whole new dimension to the term 'special pleading'.   Maybe that shoud've been 'special 
pleiading'.
 
 
To get to the punchline first, the grid solution is ultimately the Balmoral Hotel, Al Galaa Square, the Egyptian/Boulaq Museum, and the El Gezirah/Shepeard's Hotel. Um, so what?
 
Well, you see, RTC figures all these locations might well have played a part in Ol' Fakey's original fake plan to return to Egypt in March 1906 and pretend to receive AL from The Big Beast And Prophet, if only that had happened, instead of not happening, you see.
 
You religionists just don't you get it?  One night AC found some 'rough trade' (the Big Beast) at a well-known Cairo 'gay haunt' (the English Bridge) and they agreed to meet up at a hookah-bar at a later date ( Al Galaa Square).  The B.B.  would go on to 'initiate' AC  with the Horus Toy jacking-off machine (as used in the Bronson movie 10 to Midnight )  at no less than three seedy locations over the course of the next few weeks, namely  the El Gezira Palace Hotel, the men's toilets in the Egyptian Museum and last and least a point in the middle of Soccer Field the Zamalek Sporting Club.  The police-station connection?  Well, they both got busted for messing around at midnight in the middle of the soccer field and were later questioned at said station.     
 
 
His methods make no sense either.
 
He begins by saying the the line on the grid page was reproduced by AC from a line on a map of Cairo.......
 
Let's break this down a little:
 
  1. Why not simply trace the line onto the page, which doesn't "inherently generate a mirror image", and is faster, easier, and far more accurate?

 

Yeah i always carry a mirror with me when i do a bit of cartography, don't you?    Haha this is crazy.  In fact even Texas sharp-shooting does not involve mirrors, maybe if the shooter was tripping on MDMA or acid then yes maybe.  

 

  1. What "three crucial holes"? My best guess is that he means the ends of the line, and the center of cross in the circle. What is the point of doing this? How is this better than just tracing the line, and marking the point?

It's looking odd maybe we should stop here.

 
After we apply the reversed grid page to the map of Cairo, we see that the line exactly matches the contour of the Nile along Zamalek Island (except in the places where it doesn't, of course), with the "x" right over the Egyptian Museum! "Holy synchronicities, Batman!"
 
Ah a Texas sharp-shooting ploy perhaps?   How many hours would all that take i wonder?  
 
So then, we get rotating.
 
Ok now we are beyond reason but I have some questions about Cole's allegations.
 
As is well known, the proofreader's marks over the 24 and 89 in the cipher indicate that in solving the "grid page" problem, we are to rotate that many degrees counterclockwise on the map of Cairo. This counterclockwise rotation on the map is indicated by the proofreader's marks in the cipher being made in a clockwise direction, one of Crowley's subtle blinds, no doubt.
 
Lutz has produced several or more incidences whereby AC uses brackets to gel figures or words that were separated that needed to be unified but is it possible that that was a moot point?  Does Cole really need 2489 as a four digit figure because he wants an exact 24.89 degree anti-clockwise rotation?  Would not a separate 24 and an 89 have sufficed for him in AC's alleged manipulations anyway? 
 
 
The line allegedly drawn is bendy and any architect or mathematician etc does not work with bendy lines but we're well through The Looking Glass at this stage anyway.      
 
 
So what are these significant results? The 113 degree line (89 + 24 = 113) intersects Al Galaa Square, and goes kinda sorta near the "English Bridge"!!!!! "Ooky spooky!" as the late lamented S.'. H.'. Fra Dr Los 8=3 PhD was wont to say. Um, so what?
 
Ok I'm confused, have I got this right, Cole needed 113 degrees?     
 
 
 
RTC's explanation of the Aiwass GPS issue barely rises to the level of ludicrous. He still doesn't understand anything i said about this in many lashtal posts.
 
Phew!

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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25/04/2020 8:00 pm  
Posted by: @dom
 How much more time do you need?

Apparently, from his written affidavit (somewhere not too far above), a couple of new projects have inserted themselves into the timeline leading from the here-and-now to the "later this year" future predictive of revelation wherein certain embarrasing questions will be addressed.

But these new projects, a couple no less, will now demonstrate what The New Age Legends refer to as a "timeline shift." In this case, it means Cliffhanger Marketing Protocols are being employed to keep readers hooked and wondering, "What odd thing will he come up with next?" as if such a thing had any merit or were merited "authentic" by the noble mind.

In short ... Maybe 2021.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Except that Class E didn't mean anything of the sort (="A message from the Magus unto humanity"),

That was and is its meaning to me. Such an hallucination was engendered by my reading of the Class E texts and finding them to be written by The Master Therion, a Magus, in the plainest possible lingo designed to appeal to the common masses, without cryptocism. So, to me and myself, and maybe another person or two, my definition of Class E stands as an empirical standard. That is, it is descriptive of the Class and is not some quoted definition out of some dogmatic discourse.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

you don't think Aiwass was an independent, external praeterhuman entity/"author" anyway but a much higher aspect of AC's intelligence/ mental consciousness.

This is correct. Please see my constant references for a decade throughout many forumi, the latest being within the last couple days, wherein I state that the key to understanding Crowley is to determine from what level he is speaking/writing/pontificating/joking. Thus we avoid mixing or confusing the planes (a 747 is not a 777).

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

these "super hi res scans" don't seem much more super hi res or detailed than other ones

The purpose of hi-res is for anal-ists to be able to zoom in on the microcosmic figures in order to determine if defendant Crowley, accused of fakery, altered the style of any letters or numbers. It is not a document prepared for the hard-of-seeing, although it could be used for that purpose. It is a forensic artifact for folks with microscopes and test tubes. It is a Manifesto against Manufactured Malignancy Made Macrocosmic by Muddled Madness (M7 - The Cosmic Imperative).

 


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25/04/2020 8:03 pm  

Once again, Special .'. Agent .'. david spills the beans!

Posted by: @dom

You religionists just don't you get it?  One night AC found some 'rough trade' (the Big Beast) at a well-known Cairo 'gay haunt' (the English Bridge) and they agreed to meet up at a hookah-bar at a later date ( Al Galaa Square).  The B.B.  would go on to 'initiate' AC  with the Horus Toy jacking-off machine (as used in the Bronson movie 10 to Midnight )  at no less than three seedy locations over the course of the next few weeks, namely  the El Gezira Palace Hotel, the men's toilets in the Egyptian Museum and last and least a point in the middle of Soccer Field the Zamalek Sporting Club.  The police-station connection?  Well, they both got busted for messing around at midnight in the middle of the soccer field and were later questioned at said station.    

Report to Duplex World Headquarters ASAP for debriefing, interrogation, and penance.

Bring ALL STOLEN SECRET DIARIES with you, or the consequences will be SEVERE. This is your FINAL warning.


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25/04/2020 8:45 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

I must say, these "super hi res scans" don't seem much more super hi res or detailed than other ones which I've seen.  And "Purple stops"?

@jamiejbarter Well, as I said, I reduced them down to a third of the original size. Also, I think the exakt density of the ink is way better to see in them. But in the end, you are right. The scans in Magick are enough, they were enough for me to see that there was no altering the letters. But nobody seemed to have looked at it or everybody too RC by his word, and I wanted something more spectacular as a showstopper. And the purple stops are something, aren't they?


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26/04/2020 2:46 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

don't seem much more super hi res or detailed than other ones which I've seen

Download the pic a view it in an image viewer to get the full effect, its pretty good.


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26/04/2020 7:08 am  

I made an anim out of this nice new cipher scan:

cipher layers anim 5fps

 

10fps one for subliminal brainwashing purposes:

cipher layers anim 10fps

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26/04/2020 8:34 pm  
Posted by: @dom
Kind of bringing a whole new dimension to the term 'special pleading'.  Maybe that shoud've been 'special pleiading'.

Possibly one of your finest puns yet, dom!?

Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Except that Class E didn't mean anything of the sort (="A message from the Magus unto humanity")

That was and is its meaning to me

OKay, okay then! - do what thou wilt, each to their own self & with decisive appeal only to the writings of Aleister Crowley Ankh-af-na-khonsu...

Posted by: @shiva

The purpose of hi-res is for anal-ists to be able to zoom in on the microcosmic figures in order to determine if defendant Crowley, accused of fakery, altered the style of any letters or numbers. It is not a document prepared for the hard-of-seeing, although it could be used for that purpose.

I see.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

And the purple stops are something, aren't they?

They're wonderful, Lutz - Purple beyond purple, in fact... practically higher than (my failing) eyesight!

@rtc, O Magicole Heir/Hair, hast thou foresaken us, questions and appeals unanswered (at least until the time of the next marketing campaign)?

N Joy


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26/04/2020 8:52 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

OKay, okay then! - do what thou wilt, each to their own self & with decisive appeal only to the writings of Aleister Crowley Ankh-af-na-khonsu...

At those words, Jamie became enlightened.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

(at least until the time of the next marketing campaign)?

The wise man or woman cannot go wrong if they but follow the ancient oracle that rings down to us through the Ages ...

One'st burned. An odd phenomenon.
Bogus

Twice stewed. A repeating pattern.
eLGMOR

Thrice incineration? It further one to not cross the great water.
Falcon Plaything

It is my professional indecision that author/marketer Cole is either:

(1) Severely insane without adequate medication'

(2) Pulling our legs for profit and joy ("joy" must be overriding, because who can see any profit in such an item?)

In a hypothetical category (3), we find the "He thinks this is true" category, and should be filed under (1) above.

Further inquiries will be denied.

 


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26/04/2020 11:16 pm  

Fear not, my brethren, for the Magicole Hair is amongst you...

LS nose3

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........................   expectant hush   ........................

(stroke, tumbleweed drifting?)

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Posted by: @therealrtc

Fear not, my brethren, for the Magicole Hair is amongst you...

Mommy! Mommy! Come Quick! It;s the Hair again, and he's frightening me.

 


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27/04/2020 7:59 am  

RTC(@therealrtc):

"... Lutz’s party-line nuke [...] Super hires color scans from Liber AL indeed exist and I was able to obtain them".

RTC(@therealrtc):

"Fear not, my brethren, for the Magicole Hair is amongst you..."

 

Magicole Hair, RTC(@therealrtc) ! 

A threefold question to you:

1) Will the Horus Toy™ be more poten and have an impact by far superseding the aforementioned "Lutz's party-line nuke"?

2) Would you have authored The Race to Conquer eLGMOR, if you knew about this "nuke" before you wrote said book?

3) As I like your creative and artistic skills, and you in this very thread not only have complained about "these old aeon emoticons", but by the Hair of your Magicole have also manifested "the first emoticon of the New Aeon..." (*), I wonder if you by the Hair of your Magicole will manifest for us the emoticon of the New Aeon for the Dweller in the Abyss in the system of AC's Thelema, Choronzon ?

(*) "... the first emoticon of the New Aeon...":

Skjermdump fra 2020 04 27 08 52 18

Source: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/107393/ )


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27/04/2020 8:57 am  

Correction & and elucidations :

["] 1) Will your Horus Toy™ be more potent and have an impact by far exceeding (BOTL II: 70 & 71. 70. "There is help & hope in other spells. Wisdom says: be strong! Then canst thou bear more joy. [...]." [...] 71. "But exceed! exceed!") the aforementioned "Lutz's party-line nuke"? ["]


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27/04/2020 10:54 am  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Correction & and elucidations :

Why do you want to encourage him, wellreadwellbred? He'll be back soon enough, pursuing yet another angle from which to demolish the "Cairo Myth"; in the meantime, let's enjoy the respite. The Horus Toy will manifest in due course - or not, as the case may be (my money's on the latter, but then I'm a cynical old bastard).


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27/04/2020 7:54 pm  

@shiva - Be ALfraid, very ALfraid, for the Magicole Hair is amongst you and senses a swelling disturbAL in the sphinxter...

@michael-staley - They encourage the Magicole Hair because it is sensed that destiny calls me (as it did Moses) to lead my brethren out of the thick, dark crust of a century and into the cleansing light of a New Aeon.

There can be no respite.  Each second spent as a cynical old bastard wandering the wasteland, and a dweller on the threshold of the New Aeon, is another moment of unimaginable joy squandered.  Soon will come the next cleansing cycle in the form of a lush pasture named "666, Sex and the New Aeon of Horus." Verily, when the Horus Toy™ is laid upon you the oily tentacles of those diaphanously be-thong'd space squid will fall from your comfort-webbing. Then, you will be free to openly savour the one true sacrament of the New Aeon. Mmmmmm.

@wellreadwellbred - Your successful insertion of the requisite 'machine-oilery' into the Magicole Hair's Inner Portal has manifested a single-serving of the sacred wisdom-fluid, as once flowed down the beard of our Ron.

Here it comes...

It is arguable that the eLGMOR project was an exercise in unveiling both the existence of hi-res Legis manuscript leaves (a resource that has been widely requested, and withheld, for decades) and spotlighting the visible tip of a certain collective actively maintaining a false (if not profitable) position, with all other considerations rescinded to a dot on the horizon - I believe this technique is currently alluded to as the 'Scottish Ball Skin Re-Story Nation Protect.' (Hey, @the_real_simon_iff, have you booked a room, yet?  I hear they're being snapped-up faster than Lite-Cakes at a Go Sis' Mast... and the Inner, Inner Sect get free rides on the monster!)  Thirdly, it also exposed a chronic apathy amidst members of this resource, many of whom are - allegedly - keen to access hi-res scans, or not.... as the sheep-like silence suggests.

The solution presented in eLGMOR is coherent, interlocking, relevant and dove-tails seamlessly with the alternate timeline presented in Liber Bogus.  Crowley faked it.  Ultimately, the comprehensive failure of anyone to get Thelema up-and-running is unquestionable proof of this (Jury is out on the 'partial functionality at higher echelons' theory posited by @shiva, though, to my mind, this notion seems akin to keeping a broken carriage clock on the mantle-piece, because it looks pretty). 

P.S. Meet CHOR-Z19, who is currently manifest in a street near you. 

LS nose4

@ignant666 -  Whilst I am loathe to separate you from the convulsive froth in which you are clearly wallowing, I must note that Horus Toy™ does not resemble a portable, Wi-Fi, Orgasmatron in either form or function - Sorry... As I have mentioned (repeatedly), unlike the previous two aeons, the New Aeon Current (Kether to Tiphareth) is asexual - Hence the flowering of a gender-fluid, non-binary species.  The Horus Toy™ does not utilise sexual energies.  Thankfully, your tendency to hear only that which soothes your old aeonic crust (an unfortunate by-product of exposure to ol' Fakey's mythology) is correctable with regular application of the Horus Toy™.  Incidentally, had ol' Fakey not been so Hell-bent on fabricating his Cairo Pantomime Box Set, he may have noticed the Horus Toy™ Alas, he didn't, but I did... So there!


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27/04/2020 8:35 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

The solution presented in eLGMOR is coherent

It absolutely is not. 

Would that the proper authority were to issue you the license to depart and put an end to this fucking clown show. Good grief. 


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27/04/2020 8:37 pm  

@thearthuremerson - Oh yes it is!  Glad to hear that you agree with all other points. It is an encouraging sign that the New Aeon may yet take root in most unpromising soil...


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27/04/2020 9:01 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

The solution presented in eLGMOR is coherent, interlocking, relevant and dove-tails seamlessly with the alternate timeline presented in Liber Bogus.  Crowley faked it. 

If theres one thing that I have established to my own satisfaction, its that your psychotic ramblings about the provenance of the reception of Liber Al Vel Legis have no basis in fact. Primarily because you manipulate the evidence, falsify data and then waste everybody's time attempting to defend your position.

Once again, i'd like to see Rose Crowley's diary or any other real evidence (watermarks?) that would make me think differently


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27/04/2020 9:26 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

The solution presented in eLGMOR is coherent, interlocking, relevant and dove-tails seamlessly with the alternate timeline presented in Liber Bogus

Yes, your cipher "solution", and grid page "solution", do "dove-tail seamlessly" with your Bogus timeline/claims. This is hardly surprising, and really the least we could ask from your fabrications.

The problem is that it your cipher "solution" is WRONG. The hi-res scans make it obvious you have solved a fanciful and invented cipher, not the cipher contained in the AL ms.

Your grid page "solution" depends on an entirely arbitrary 0 degree line, to produce results that are literally devoid of meaning: four places in Cairo.

You seem at times in your last post to be going in the direction i suggested a while back: claim this was all just a big prank:

Posted by: @therealrtc

It is arguable that the eLGMOR project was an exercise in unveiling both the existence of hi-res Legis manuscript leaves

I recommend you pursue this line, as the only possible way for you to salvage any credibility at all. Still probably won't work.


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27/04/2020 9:46 pm  

@frater_anubis - So, best put you on the 'still undecided but definitely open-minded' bench, eh.  That is, until we unleash the Horus Toy™ on you. 

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