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The HGA of a Duck
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24/03/2020 7:39 pm  

OK, so a little discussion was trying to form in a less appropriate thread, so I'll give it its own thread to see if it wants to develop. I'll "import" the relevant quotes

Posted by: @shiva

There is a second beast who arises in the Rev of John. He causes everyone to worship the writings or the first beast. I haven't seen anything here on Therion #2. Is he involved in code-breaking? How will he get humanity (everyone) to read the Libers and do the practices? I never identified with Beast #2, so I don't have the answers. I'm just thinking out loud.

 

Posted by: @elitemachinery

This is the quote I think you are referring to coming from the King James version Revelation 13:

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

Posted by: @xon

There's the Man of Sin from 2 Thessalonians 2. After discovering the abomination of desolation in relation to this character back in my early bible studies it drew me into making a brief identification. Reading the passage now it seems the man of lawlessness could be interpreted as being about aspects of humanity.

On a Thelemic individual basis Beast #2 could start small to get humanity reading the Libers by following the example of Beast #1. Set ordeals of initiation upon those that falsely claim and are improperly recognized as authorities having attained exalted spiritual grades in Thelemic Orders. Miraculously clean and order the houses as it were. Being open regarding and successfully fulfilling those ordeals with code breaking would set recognition. To get things really going though would require something along the lines of willed and recognizable reincarnation.

 

To this I can add my "take" (which might be a bit rubbish):

For a start, why should we even care about this "old aeon" nonsense? AC identified with this "bible stuff" as he was the "threshold" of the old and new aeons, we are now free to close the door on the old aeon with him. All the writings of the old aeon are "skew-wise" now, for example 666 is creepy and scary to Christians, to Thelemites it is positive and a symbol of the Sun.

That would be one way of looking at it, personally I still find value in old aeon writings. With "John" (or whoever actually wrote Revelation), he comes across as a "Magus", he seems to be speaking from "above" the Abyss. What he's saying seems to be a mix of "true" and "false". I don't take any of it literally, reading it can itself be a meditative "practice", similar to reading the Tibetan book of the dead, and similar Buddhist "mumbo-jumbo".

So I have no idea who "Beast 2" is or if he's anyone at all. If  AC was "Beast 1", maybe "2" is just the effect of reading "Beast 1". (The Beast "with us"). 🙂 🙂


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24/03/2020 9:21 pm  
Posted by: @duck

maybe "2" is just the effect of reading "Beast 1"

No, no. Neti-neti. The second Beast will force everyone to obey the orders of Beast #1. That takes time. I'm working on it.

 


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25/03/2020 1:31 am  

@shiva

Maybe that is not so different to what I'm suggesting: the "second Beast" is this effect of being "forced" to "obey" these "orders" rather than an actual person. Like I said, I don't take these old aeon writings literally (particularly not Revelation), and I'm guessing you don't either. If you want an actual "Beast 2" in the form of a real person, fair enough, I just think we've had enough of these "prophets" and other lunatics (AC can be the last one as far as I'm concerned). I think we can manage on our own now and its time to move on.

 


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25/03/2020 10:59 am  

@duck

 

Yes didn't you know?  I thought everyone knew that The 2nd Beast is Uncle Al Jourgeson;

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4TuQ8MQNRs


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25/03/2020 3:47 pm  

The HGA of a Duck: "So I have no idea who "Beast 2" is or if he's anyone at all. If  AC was "Beast 1", maybe "2" is just the effect of reading "Beast 1". (The Beast "with us")."

 

Well, The HGA of a Duck, I don't know if you as ignant666 does, actually believe that Carmen saeculare written by AC in 1900, is just only "... the typical Swinburne-imitating poetry that he churned out with so little success in so many books for so many years." (Source: Was the HGA also the actual initiator in the Order in which AC started on his path as an initiate? - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/105371/ )

 

AC takes an early prophet test run in the said text, and provides you with his own peculiar answer to your question:

 

"O Gateway of the admirable East! [= Constantinople [now Istanbul, Turkey], location for the throne of the in 1900 contemporary 26th Ottoman Caliph.]

Hold fast thy Faith! Let no man take thy Crown!

The Birds of Evil, that were keen to feast,

(Fools cried) but herald thy renewed renown.

Mad Christians see in thee the Second Beast, [= Abdul Hamid II, 26th Ottoman Caliph, and 34th Ottoman Sultan (Emperor). (Source: Abdul Hamid II From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Hamid_II )]

But shall not shake thee down.

 

Therefore reign thou, saith God, august, alone,

White-winged to East and West, and albatross,

“Abdul the Damned, on thy infernal throne!”

Allah can wed the Crescent and the Cross!

According to the wisdom thou hast shown

Mete thou thy gain and loss!"


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25/03/2020 3:52 pm  

Which part of what you quote isn't AC's "typical Swinburne-imitating poetry that he churned out with so little success in so many books for so many years"?


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25/03/2020 4:05 pm  

My point is that the poetic texts by AC quoted by me in the thread titled Was the HGA also the actual initiator in the Order in which AC started on his path as an initiate?, are more than mere examples of "typical Swinburne-imitating poetry that he churned out with so little success in so many books for so many years". Particularly with respect to names/figures/concepts and/or prophetic/apocalyptic style used by him in his later poetic text The Book of the Law.


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25/03/2020 4:18 pm  

Yes, his pre-AL work is full of "names/figures/concepts and/or prophetic/apocalyptic style" that pre-figure AL, and i said in that thread that if AC made up a prophetic text for a new religion, it would have come out a lot like AL (such things as commanding his new wife to have more three-ways come to mind), BUT AL still has a different quality and tone to it from anything else he ever wrote, just as (in a different way) TBOL does.

When i mention low-budget Swinburne retreads, i am referring to the style, rhyme, and metric scheme etc of the work. All of AC's poetry is full of mythological, religious, apocalyptic, and sexual imagery. As a self-conscious Decadent/Romantic poet, that's what he thought was cool.

Maybe Aiwass chose his messenger carefully, selecting a vessel that would be emotionally attuned to the message he had for humanity; maybe AC fabricated the whole thing as a honeymoon gag to impress Rose, or a few years later to impress Jones, or a few years earlier to impress Mathers, or whatever. Or maybe AC wrote down these words in conditions that we simply can't know, because there is no reliable evidence.

No matter what approach we take to reading AL, we are left with this text, and these words, to do with them what we Will.


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25/03/2020 5:13 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Yes, his pre-AL work is full of "names/figures/concepts and/or prophetic/apocalyptic style" that pre-figure AL, and i said in that thread that if AC made up a prophetic text for a new religion, it would have come out a lot like AL (such things as commanding his new wife to have more three-ways come to mind), BUT AL still has a different quality and tone to it from anything else he ever wrote, just as (in a different way) TBOL does.

When i mention low-budget Swinburne retreads, i am referring to the style, rhyme, and metric scheme etc of the work. All of AC's poetry is full of mythological, religious, apocalyptic, and sexual imagery. As a self-conscious Decadent/Romantic poet, that's what he thought was cool.

Maybe Aiwass chose his messenger carefully, selecting a vessel that would be emotionally attuned to the message he had for humanity; maybe AC fabricated the whole thing as a honeymoon gag to impress Rose, or a few years later to impress Jones, or a few years earlier to impress Mathers, or whatever. Or maybe AC wrote down these words in conditions that we simply can't know, because there is no reliable evidence.

No matter what approach we take to reading AL, we are left with this text, and these words, to do with them what we Will.

@Ignant666 Thank you and relevant across threads...

I do though appreciate @Wellreadwellbred  bring this up, these presages from the passages, endless waves of passages, of overblown poetry...but The Book Of The Law is something completely different Beast...

One of the presages to L is the March 23 1904 Invocation~

Very powerful I must say, especially this time of year, before an open window to the north or east....

Perhaps our chorus of thalamic, I mean Thelemic scholars, pundits, hacks, pretenders, scoffers, quacks and number punchers, toy hockers and the like, we the second beast ...well might have some comment on the invocation...if only to perhaps repeat the stations of a circle squared in its failure....(oops the threads are weaving)....

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25/03/2020 7:32 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Yes, his pre-AL work is full of "names/figures/concepts and/or prophetic/apocalyptic style" that pre-figure AL

Right. This was the part of his Path known as "The Labor of Preparation." It is when the aspiring Adept is gathering up all the instruments/concepts that he or she will use in "The Great Experiment." In low magic terms, it is whhere the witch or warlock or sorcerer in dumping assorted mice, frogs, herbs, and secret elixirs into a giant caldron under which a fire has been kindled, and the cauldron is beginning to heat up.

Everything written in the (^above^) paragraph is precisely synonymous with the overall task of anyone's outer order.

Posted by: @ignant666

AL still has a different quality and tone to it from anything else he ever wrote, just as (in a different way) TBOL does.

Right. And this was always AC's point that he made. I agree that Lies was also different, but he didn't make a lifelong reference to it ... except for the visit by Reuss and the Date of Publication discrepancy.

 


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25/03/2020 10:44 pm  

@duck

 

Why is Beast 2 necessarily a person?  Maybe Beast 2 is a mammoth international phenomenon.   Maybe it is a combination between COVID-19, the state-surveillance war against it and the radical economic results.   That would be three horns of A Beast perhaps.    

Physical cash may be banned soon as the virus can remain on physical things such as, well, cash.   


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27/03/2020 7:53 am  

In all struggles between Good and Evil the Good eventually assimilates enough of the Evil to defeat it. It must become Evil to defeat Evil. And Evil influences the end result enough to feel justified in its actions.

If Evil was to ever win completely life would cease to exist. It's the cycle of life death rebirth.

The Book of Revelation in my opinion is telling the tale of the end of the Christian era. Goodness wins, but Christianity ends. But the new goodness is much different than the old. The battle has transformed both parties.

I do get the feeling that AC knew on some level that in order for a new era to dawn that biblical prophecy had to be fulfilled on some level so that people could move on. Hence, his enthusiastically taking on the role of The Beast.

If a second Beast is to exist. Perhaps it would be to point to the important parts of AC's work, and help fulfill the necessary prophecies in a way that makes sense and is practical in the world. Henceforth the world can then move on.

I think that possibly the struggle between Michael the archangel and Satan in the Book of Revelation is speaking of the final choice in all of us between Good/Evil and the struggle to make that choice.

We may see evidence of this happening outside in the real world. But the struggle is internal.

Ultimately we choose the light and life force or we perish. But in the process and through this struggle we transform and a new era is born.

The problem with the bible is it's very old and vague and open to interpretation. Hence people use it to their own ends and try to scare sheeple with it. The bible is written in metaphor. People take it too literally.

Same can be said for Liber AL.


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27/03/2020 8:08 am  

In The Bible humanity is a the failed product and result of sinning against its deity.
In the Book of the law you are a Star !


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27/03/2020 10:48 am  

Has anyone heard about the nutjob New Age theory about the 2nd Beast and the mark on the forehead or wrist and if you refuse to receive a mark then you can't buy anything?

Some interpret this as a move towards a cashless society ie digital money only.  

Seeing as viruses are transmitted on physical objects such as cash maybe this is the next step.

Now,how some schizophrenic peasant from 2000 years ago or whenever can predict economic and technological changes to such a degree is something you and your Ruach may have to wrestle with.


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27/03/2020 3:58 pm  

@dom

I used to listen to a lot of conspiracy/UFO stuff a few years back, more as a form of entertainment than anything while playing Minecraft 😊 . This theory seems poplular with Christian "conspiri-tards" and the David Icke/Alex Jones types.

It does sound eerily prophetic today when all the pieces of the theory seem to be in place with recent technological developments. We all use credit/debit cards which now have RFID tech in them, so it would make sense to just put this chip in your hand which would be scanned to make your payment. Some form of cryptocurrency (probably not Bitcoin itself) would then be the "one world currency". All your information would then be on this blockchain and you'd be "locked out" of the system if you didn't have the chip.

I don't know if now is the time for the "cashless society" but it looks like technology will continue to develop in that direction.

On this forum most of us (I think) see "the Beast" and a possible 2nd one as positive, so in theory a "Mark of the Beast" should be positive too? It seem to me that a lot us here find this "Mark" as something negative, like being forced into the "Borg" system. So there appears to be some "cognitive dissonance" going on.

AC himself has nothing to do with this "Mark" so how are we to interpret it?

 


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27/03/2020 4:36 pm  
Posted by: @duck

AC himself has nothing to do with this "Mark" so how are we to interpret it?

Mark is common legal substitute for signature:

mark

 

How did AC sign his name? What was his "mark"

666 93 93/93 was one I believe.

 

Number of the Beast:

Six Threescore & Six = 666

 

Mark of the Beast:

666 93 93/93

 

There were other marks AC used maybe others can add?


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27/03/2020 5:19 pm  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

If Evil was to ever win completely life would cease to exist.

The Tai Chi revolves, and whenever Yin becomes excessive to the extreme, it will turn into Yang (and vice-versa). This can be seen in the weather and in the cycles of life.

Posted by: @dom

Has anyone heard about the nutjob New Age theory about the 2nd Beast and the mark on the forehead or wrist and if you refuse to receive a mark then you can't buy anything?

If I'm not mistaken, anybody who reads anything on any of these threads has heard about the second Beast, and probably several nut job interpretations. I like the one where this is all a metaphor, and the "Mark" of the Beast is either a Visa(TM) or a MasterCard(TM) logo. Try buying or selling without an account, and you'll be limited to dark alley dope deals ... as long as the cash remains in circulation.

Posted by: @dom

Some interpret this as a move towards a cashless society ie digital money only. 

Yes, that is the direction the Powers seem to be taking.

Posted by: @duck

so it would make sense to just put this chip in your hand which would be scanned to make your payment.

No, no. Net-naughty. I want my chip right at the ajna spot. Forget the corona-hand swipe. I plan to beam my transactions out of my fourth eye.

Posted by: @duck

you'd be "locked out" of the system if you didn't have the chip.

Yes. You have seen the plan.

Note that all of one's medical and criminal history will also be recorded in the chip. Evil people will seek out retrofit hackers who will alter their chip to display the image of an Angel that did not fall.
- Fallen Angels and Their Angles (c) 2023 by Me

Posted by: @duck

a lot us here find this "Mark" as something negative, like being forced into the "Borg" system.

Well, yes, there's always that factor. The only way to survive assimilation is to "Be in the Borg ... but not of it." It's a James Bond approach.

Posted by: @duck

so how are we to interpret it?

Be sure to pay your bill, or at least the "minimum payment." If you pay the bill in full, you are "not of the Borg." If you accept a "credit loan" and make the "minimum payment," you will have become "of the Borg," at 30% interest.

Pay now or lose everything (230% in Brazil).

 


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27/03/2020 6:56 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

The Tai Chi revolves, and whenever Yin becomes excessive to the extreme, it will turn into Yang (and vice-versa). This can be seen in the weather and in the cycles of life.

"the day destroys the night, night divides the day" - The Doors

Posted by: @dom

Has anyone heard about the nutjob New Age theory about the 2nd Beast and the mark on the forehead or wrist and if you refuse to receive a mark then you can't buy anything?

Charles Manson would certainly qualify as one for the four beasts of Revelation. He saw himself as a Christ/Satan like prophet and put his "mark" an "X" on the foreheads of his followers. He played the role of the very scary Beast that Christians would be expecting and frankly scared the Jesus out of everyone at the time.

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Posted by: @dom

Some interpret this as a move towards a cashless society ie digital money only. 

Posted by: @shiva

Yes, that is the direction the Powers seem to be taking.

Not only the powers that be but also the crypto community. Also as everyone uses smartphones these days many apps have a  digital money feature. The scariest version of these systems seems to be the ones I hear that China is using. Whereas you have a social credit score and if it is low you cannot get on a plane or a train and lose many privileges in society. According to some this is already in place.

Another idea I ran across yesterday is that the reserve currencies of the world have a lifetime of about 100 years. In this scenario the almighty U$D US Dollar has about 10 years left and will be replaced by Bitcoin. Seeing that we are now about to print a few trillion more dollars to deal with the corona virus the fall of the U$D is not out of the question.

Personally, I would rather the new reserve currency be Bitcoin rather than something implemented by a govt agency as it is worldwide and no one entity controls it.  So far attempts to duplicate it have failed.

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28/03/2020 12:48 am  

@elitemachinery

 

Haha yeah Mike he was certainly a little terror for a while even into the 1970s when one his nuts tried to do President Ford?    For most of his existence he was a caged beast though. 

 

@duck

AC himself has nothing to do with this "Mark" so how are we to interpret it?

 

You're talking as if these schizoid ramblings of John the Divine are real scientifically verifiable observations.   How would prophecy even work? 


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28/03/2020 1:48 am  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

There were other marks AC used maybe others can add?

I believe this is the symbol AC used as his "Mark of the Beast".

ac mark beast

If we are to think of AC as the "Beast", then this would literally be the "Mark of the Beast" and that chapter of history is over and done, none of this RFID nonsense, we can now move on. But this myth still persists separate to AC, even among Thelemites it seems.

Posted by: @elitemachinery

the day destroys the night, night divides the day

Nice one.

 

Posted by: @dom

How would prophecy even work?

My initial thoughts were that its just "old aeon" nonsense, we could just "close the door" on it. But this myth seems to still have a lot of power. Maybe the Thelemic position is to "dismantle" this prophecy so it never comes about. 🤨 


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28/03/2020 2:02 am  
Posted by: @duck

I believe this is the symbol AC used as his "Mark of the Beast".

This symbol proves, beyond any shadow of doubt, that AC was definitely not obsessed with penae and sea men, as some cynical folks have asserted.

 


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28/03/2020 2:04 am  

@duck

 

My initial thoughts were that its just "old aeon" nonsense, we could just "close the door" on it. But this myth seems to still have a lot of power. Maybe the Thelemic position is to "dismantle" this prophecy so it never comes about

 

No one gets to buy anything without a mark on their wrist or forehead, it is a bizarre thing to write in 6AD I believe.   Any nut with a bit of poetic talent could scrawl anything down and anyone in the future employing confirmation bias can freak himself out with it by applying those verses to events happening around him.     Has everyone ever been so constrained in the way they can buy goods though since 6AD?  Well, no not until nowadays perhaps.


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28/03/2020 2:26 am  
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But this myth seems to still have a lot of power.

There seems to be a lot of unsubstantiated generalizations floating around at the moment.  Might I just enquire by means of clarification, "a lot of power" in precisely what substantial way, concerning exactly which particular (prophetic) "myth" and amongst whom (in any significant numbers)?  

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28/03/2020 2:46 am  

@jamiejbarter

For clarity:

The "Mark of the Beast" prophecy which seems relevant today with technological developments related to buying/selling.

Amongst whom: it seems mainly among conspiracy minded Christians, but also "Occult" types who have some interest in "the Revelation".

 

@shiva

This interpretation may be relevant to Mr @elitemachinery given what I have read about his "adventures" in some of his posts. 🙂 


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28/03/2020 4:27 am  
Posted by: @duck

I believe this is the symbol AC used as his "Mark of the Beast".

ac mark beast

If we are to think of AC as the "Beast", then this would literally be the "Mark of the Beast" and that chapter of history is over and done, none of this RFID nonsense, we can now move on. But this myth still persists separate to AC, even among Thelemites it seems.

This wouldn't qualify as a "mark" but would qualify as a "seal" or "stamp" used to emboss a document or the back of a letter.

A "mark" is a substitute for a signature. It can be simply an "X" or your initials perhaps or something else unique to you but it must be written in your hand, hence "mark."

seal
Posted by: @dom

You're talking as if these schizoid ramblings of John the Divine are real scientifically verifiable observations.   How would prophecy even work? 

Christianity probably has another 800 years left. These things don't happen overnight. If you read some of @Shiva 's work he talk about the ebb and flow of these "ages."

Prophecies don't necessarily happen in an exact literal way on a certain date. Overall it does look like money is going digital. Does this mean that gold and silver coins will be outlawed? Of course not. Did TV kill radio? No. Did the Internet kill cable TV? No. Did Skype kill regular phones? No.

The part about not being able to buy and sell is one paranoid man's interpretation. It's certainly a possibility. Ever had your VISA card declined? All this tech stuff can be convenient but also can enslave us. I don't think we have anything to worry about. The Bible is a book and much of it is written for dramatic effect so that seats at the local church can be filled on Sundays.

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My initial thoughts were that its just "old aeon" nonsense, we could just "close the door" on it. But this myth seems to still have a lot of power. Maybe the Thelemic position is to "dismantle" this prophecy so it never comes about.

A case could be made that a lot of these things have already happened. For example if Manson was a "second beast" (a scary figure who put a mark on the forehead of his followers) then also around this time in the mid-60s was when there was a big revival in the interest and work of Aleister Crowley.

The Beatles put AC on the cover of Sgt. Pepper. Many volumes of his work were published for the first time. Other works were edited and re-published. Rock bands were influenced and inspired by him.

Since the time of the radical 60's the legend of AC has only grown bigger. New biographies continue to be published to this day.

 

 


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28/03/2020 5:23 am  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

Rock bands were influenced and inspired by him.

Do you happen to know if Jim and the Doors were at all influenced by him? I wouldn't be surprised but I haven't found any real connection. Jim's "Prophet" seemed to be Arthur Rimbaud (another "Sorceror" of another kind).


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28/03/2020 5:44 am  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

"a lot of power" in precisely what substantial way, concerning exactly which particular (prophetic) "myth" and amongst whom (in any significant numbers)?  

Hi Duck. Welcome to the exam I promised you with other members of the inquisition inquiry panel.

Posted by: @duck

The "Mark of the Beast" prophecy which seems relevant today with technological developments related to buying/selling.

Amongst whom: it seems mainly among conspiracy minded Christians, but also "Occult" types who have some interest in "the Revelation".

Okay. Pass.

But we'll need a footnote relating to the term, Power.

Posted by: @elitemachinery

Prophecies don't necessarily happen in an exact literal way on a certain date.

AC had strict definitions. In Without Tears, I think. I can't remember the whole deal, but I think it included.

1. The prophecy must be uttered/written before the event.

2. The prophecy must make no (rational) sense before the event.

3. After the event, the prophecy will be crystal clear.

 


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28/03/2020 6:03 am  
Posted by: @shiva

AC had strict definitions. In Without Tears, I think. I can't remember the whole deal, but I think it included.

1. The prophecy must be uttered/written before the event.

2. The prophecy must make no (rational) sense before the event.

3. After the event, the prophecy will be crystal clear.

Thanks for this. The biblical prophecies are so old and some of them are somewhat vague. Others are more exact for example the mark on the forehead prophecy:

Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

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Hopefully the Manson family is the closest we get to that prophecy being fulfilled. The cult stuff is so 60s-70s old fashioned but you never know it could come back I sure hope not.

As for the buy & sell part VISA is doing a pretty good job of fulfilling that prophecy but there are many others now like Paypal and Bitcoin and the Cash App and LINE pay and more. I would say that this part of the prophecy is also fulfilled enough to consider it a real prophecy.

bitcoin chip

There are people implanting chips in their right hands so that they can pay for things using Bitcoin. Others are voluntarily using it to track pets or put personal data and health info inside etc etc.

Posted by: @duck

Do you happen to know if Jim and the Doors were at all influenced by him? I wouldn't be surprised but I haven't found any real connection. Jim's "Prophet" seemed to be Arthur Rimbaud (another "Sorceror" of another kind).

The 60's revived just about every spiritual path not just AC and Thelema. Jim Morrison was very smart and well read and influenced by many famous authors. But The Doors did give a nod to Aleister on the back of the "13" album:

Doors Crowley

 


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28/03/2020 6:44 am  

I really should go to sleep now but I'll post this first:

Posted by: @shiva

But we'll need a footnote relating to the term, Power.

Without sounding too "cheeky", having a quality that certain people who should know better just can't seem to let it go. 😜 

 

Posted by: @elitemachinery

back of the "13" album

Yes, I've heard that too and I sort of wanted it to be true but it turns out that its actually Beethoven:

http://www.getty.edu/art/collection/objects/129110/edmund-teske-the-doors-american-1970/

I found a higher res pic:

symphony

I think they chose it 'cos it looks a bit like Jim. 🙂 

If you come across any more info I'm always happy to hear it.


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28/03/2020 8:12 am  
Posted by: @duck

Yes, I've heard that too and I sort of wanted it to be true but it turns out that its actually Beethoven:

http://www.getty.edu/art/collection/objects/129110/edmund-teske-the-doors-american-1970/

I found a higher res pic:

symphony

I think they chose it 'cos it looks a bit like Jim.  

If you come across any more info I'm always happy to hear it.

That is a good explanation coming directly from the photographer. Another AC rumor debunked. Thanks for finding that. So i'm guessing the Doors never got the AC bug like some other bands did. I do not remember AC's name coming up in any of the Doors bios I've read. Like I said the 60s revived just about every spiritual system. I know the Doors members did do transcendental meditation (except Jim) but Jim went to a TM meeting and used the Maharishi's words for the song Take It As It Comes:

maharishi

Gary Lachman's book mentions the above story about Doors/AC but your link clearly refutes it.

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28/03/2020 12:14 pm  

@elitemachinery

 

That is a good explanation coming directly from the photographer. Another AC rumor debunked. Thanks for finding that. So i'm guessing the Doors never got the AC bug like some other bands did. I do not remember AC's name coming up in any of the Doors bios I've read. Like I said the 60s revived just about every spiritual system. I know the Doors members did do transcendental meditation (except Jim) but Jim went to a TM meeting and used the Maharishi's words for the song Take It As It Comes

 

They were preoccupied with Hindu mysticism, TM and LSD, (drug shamanism/indigenous American rites) weed and probably lots of other meds.   It is known that Morrison was preoccupied with The Goetia as an alcoholic teenager but he probably just read about it.   The Doors were generally more well-read than your average acid-rock caveman. 

I heard an interview with Manzarek were he was describing meeting Morrison for the first time on the beach and he said 'We were being infused with the energy of the Sun' and that may imply that Manzarek did some sort of Hindustani Resh-ritual as part of his TM path, maybe anyway.   

 

So yeah they were into sex, drugs and 'rock n roll' as religion ie they were 'Crowleyan' even if they never read a word of AC's writings.


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28/03/2020 12:53 pm  

doors of perception aldous huxley

read was by them the Doors influence


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28/03/2020 1:07 pm  

read was by me your post

adopted was band-name title Huxley book from

I think i can speak Tiger now!

The Doors' appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show on 9/17/67 made a great impression on the 8 year old ignant, watching on a black and white TV in great-grandma's kitchen. They might not have been Crowley fans, but certainly are a manifestation of the "93 Current".


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28/03/2020 1:57 pm  

dom: "No one gets to buy anything without a mark on their wrist or forehead, it is a bizarre thing to write in 6AD I believe."

Njet, nein, no, dom! It was not "a bizarre thing to write" at that time. The Roman empire had many illiterate inhabitants, and was a brutally horiffic society based on slavery, where many were permanently marked as a kind of crowd control, with indelible inscriptions on the skin:

"... an allusion to the marks, which were made by punctures rendered indelible, by fire or by staining, upon the hand or some other part of the body, signifying the state or character of the person, and to whom he belonged. The slave was marked with the name of his master, the soldier, of his commander; the idolater, with the name or ensign of his god: Στιγματα επιγραφομενα δια των στρατευομενων εν ταις χερσιν· "Punctural inscriptions made by the soldiers on their hands." [...] See Rev. xx. 4 [= Revelation 20:4]; Spencer, De Leg. Hebr. lib. ii., cap. 20." (Source: CLARKE'S COMMENTARY OT, VOLUME 4 by Adam Clarke - - -  https://www.ccel.org/c/clarke/commentary/vol4.txt   )

Revelation 20:4​: "King James Bible

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." (Source: Revelation 20:4 - - - https://biblehub.com/revelation/20-4.htm )


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28/03/2020 2:22 pm  

Beings with Divine status controlling the going ons in the hood, the yard, and THE GARDEN from the beginning to the end.


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28/03/2020 4:47 pm  
Posted by: @duck

For clarity:

The "Mark of the Beast" prophecy which seems relevant today with technological developments related to buying/selling.

Amongst whom: it seems mainly among conspiracy minded Christians, but also "Occult" types who have some interest in "the Revelation".

Thank you for clarifying the matter ducky.

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Welcome to the exam I promised you with other members of the inquisition inquiry panel. ... Okay. Pass.

My er, ahem "fellow invigilator" Shiva appears to have jumped in before me but yes, a most honourable pass (although possibly not quite cum laude)

I don't think it is very widespread and "a lot of power" is not brought out by the small numbers involved of "conspiracy-minded Christians" & the "Occult types" concerned - and even if there were (the numbers) their beliefs would still not generate "a lot of power" (=the power to affect things) in spite of the long period they seem to have been around.  Although I would be open to correction should you happen to have any strong evidence to the contrary, your drakeness!

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28/03/2020 6:23 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter

cum laude

And asonishingly, on another thread, Jamie remarks about someone being potty-mouthed!!!

You couldn't make it up, could you???

Pass the sick-bag, Alice.

 


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28/03/2020 6:49 pm  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

or the number of his name.

Oh, darn, and other potty-mouth or heretical synonyms. This means, among us, Ignant666 is to be the quartermaster. The Thelemic Stock Exchange (TM)(R)(C).

Posted by: @elitemachinery

Others are voluntarily using it to track pets or put personal data and health info inside etc etc.

Let me entertain you (all) in your lonliness and isolation ...

Quoted from Avatara Terrestrialis
The year is 2032 e.v.

Children who were born in a third-world environment usually didn't get a hospital-birth protocol, and the infant mortality rate was really high. Only one out of five survived to reach their third birthday. After that, the average lifespan was about twenty-five, which is comparable to the average lifetimes in Ancient Aegypt.

In my case, as with all hospital births, I was judged to be alive, my orifices were cleared, I was washed with antiseptic-antibiotic solution, dried off, and immediately placed in an oxygen-infused incubator. After an hour or so, a blood sample was drawn and I was injected with a standard all-purpose immunization vaccine and my microchip was embedded.

A microchip is a small, electronic cell enclosed in a glass cylinder that is about the size as a grain of rice. The microchip itself does not have a battery - it is activated by a scanner that is passed over the area, and the radiation emitted by the scanner activates the cell. The cell then transmits an identification number to the scanner, which is linked to a computer, which is tied in to the global database.

The microchips only contain identification numbers, but the data associated with any number indicates a person's name, date of birth, nationality and visa status, genetic markers, immunization records, health issues, criminal violations, and political affiliations.

A microchip was not a GPS device and therefore could not track a person, although that function was under research and development at the time of my birth.

Microchip scanners were routinely used by all doctors, border control agents, military and police officers, courtroom officials, veterinarians, spies, and many criminals.

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People who survived childhood in most third-world zones usually did not have microchips, and they had to rely on old-fashioned paperwork.

Anyone who had a microchip also had a built-in passport.

There were, of course, counterfeit microchips. But if an assigned number failed to produce data in the global computer system, then they were subject to interrogation, intimidation, and investigation. A few folks had phony microchips who had also been hacked into the system, but this was rare.

Every microchip bearer was required to report to their doctor, local city hall or tribal council chamber, or police station on an annual basis for confirmation and updating.

Please check this in 2032. If true, nominate me for Prophet status

 

Posted by: @duck

Without sounding too "cheeky", having a quality that certain people who should know better just can't seem to let it go

The term "Power" is understood on my end. But your use of the word immediately raises a question, because the "type" and "magnitude" and "application" of this (your) use of "Power" is ambiguous, vague, or otherwise unclear. It is like an incomplete sentence.

You must submit your data in complete sentences that make sense to the Committee members. In fact, when you get around to making your ideas understandable by 100 "common," "normal" people, drawn at random off the streets (after the plague passes on), we will all have attained Dzogchen (rDzogschen).

Do you know why the (rDogs) has an "r" up front? Is this pronunciation? I really don't know ... I've just seen it that way many times.

Posted by: @ignant666

adopted was band-name title Huxley book

And AC was said to have introduced Saint Huxley to mescaline (unproven, but potentially true).

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

My er, ahem "fellow invigilator" Shiva appears to have jumped in before me but yes

It is interesting how this works. You and the Mallard are in UK. For some reason, Duck is posting into the wee hours, perhaps near dawn. He complains about having to get to sleep, but making one more post.

You, JJB, appear to come on line late in the UK evening, weekends variable.

So here I am, still awake, 7 or 8 hours after you're in bed, except for Duck who stays up late.

Now, shift scenes to us, the PhD or DSc Doctoral Examing Committee, sitting at a long table, with the candidate (bound and hoodwinked) is standing before us. You ask the C.'. a question, requesting clarification of some minor points of his outstanding, but absurd, proposition.

He replies, and is followed by ... Silence.

The entire room, filled with 33 dignitaries and observers looks to you for a response. Only to find that you are ... asleep!

In order to save the degrading dignity of our little charade, and with the c.'. having answered your inquiry in the common language, I naturally intervened. Pardon my bug-ridden insolence, and I can assure you that this will happen again if you ever dare to fall asleep at the wheel again.

When we all get microchipped, instant comm will be possible, even in sleep, so this awkward situation cannot possibly occur.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

I don't think it is very widespread and "a lot of power" is not brought out by the small numbers involved

Right. This is why I enquired into the term Power, but I only got a dom-type flippancy in return. We may have to torture c.'. to get a straight answer.

 


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28/03/2020 10:11 pm  

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Njet, nein, no, dom! It was not "a bizarre thing to write" at that time. The Roman empire had many illiterate inhabitants, and was a brutally horiffic society based on slavery, where many were permanently marked as a kind of crowd control, with indelible inscriptions on the skin:

 

I get it, thanks, well that explains it it has nothing to do with digital cash. 


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28/03/2020 10:39 pm  

@dom

The wearing of bible verses on the arm or forehead in the form of a scroll in a phylactery (Tefillin) was an ancient Jewish practice -- some of the scrolls at Qumran were recovered from phylacteries. It is still observed by some Jews in ritual settings. Some biblical scholars think that this verse may be an allusion to and/or an appropriation of that practice.

 

See also, Deuteronomy 11:18, a text composed much, much longer ago than Revelation.

“You shall therefore lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.

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28/03/2020 11:11 pm  

@thearthuremerson

 

The cube on the forehead. 

among 'theorists' the cube of Saturn.  

 


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28/03/2020 11:13 pm  

@shiva

 

Let's all do some pushups. 

And drink some water.

 

I was a premie.

 

It all helps right. 

 

PUSH 

 


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Posted by: @thearthuremerson

@dom

The wearing of bible verses on the arm or forehead in the form of a scroll in a phylactery (Tefillin) was an ancient Jewish practice -- some of the scrolls at Qumran were recovered from phylacteries. It is still observed by some Jews in ritual settings. Some biblical scholars think that this verse may be an allusion to and/or an appropriation of that practice.

 

See also, Deuteronomy 11:18, a text composed much, much longer ago than Revelation.

“You shall therefore lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.

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Yes, sounds about right. 


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Posted by: @elitemachinery

That is a good explanation coming directly from the photographer. Another AC rumor debunked. Thanks for finding that

I get the sense of "Gonzo Journalism" from your posts, which I like, this could be your "contribution to Thelema", I don't know. Its good to see you care about sources and accuracy. I fell for this myth when I was younger and only recently checked to see how truthful it was. As I've got a bit older, I've got a bit more "boring" and care about accuracy more. Before I didn't really care if something was true or false if it sounded "cool".

The "new-agers" have a term, "Indigo Children". There's a lot of nonsense behind it but a more mundane explanation of it is people who somehow escape all the neurotic conditioning we all develop during childhood and so are free to "do as they will". This may be what Jim was. He didn't necessarily need a guru to teach him, he was his own guru from the start.

 

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

I don't think it is very widespread and "a lot of power" is not brought out by the small numbers involved of "conspiracy-minded Christians" & the "Occult types" concerned - and even if there were (the numbers) their beliefs would still not generate "a lot of power" (=the power to affect things) in spite of the long period they seem to have been around.  Although I would be open to correction should you happen to have any strong evidence to the contrary, your drakeness!

Yeah the "lot of power" was a bit vague and could cause confusion. I didn't mean the belief in the theory would generate any "power" rather that the "evidence" (the tech developments) for the theory could be "powerful" enough to make someone believe in it. The tech developments do seem to be going in a certain direction, and there are the "technological singularity" types (transhumanists) who want it to go in this direction.

 

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I enquired into the term Power, but I only got a dom-type flippancy in return

I can tell you now, I am definitely not smart enough for these flippancies. It seems to be a misunderstanding caused by my habit of trying to communicate with as few words as possible.

I had to look up the definition:

flippancy: lack of respect or seriousness; frivolousness

any "lack of respect" would be a misunderstanding. I may say things in a "cheeky" way sometimes, but it is meant with "respect" (that is if you even want or need anyone's respect, or are "above it all").

 

I'll now have to spell it out clearly:

Posted by: @duck

Without sounding too "cheeky", having a quality that certain people who should know better just can't seem to let it go. 😜 

By "certain people who should know better" I meant Shiva, and by "can't seem to let it go" I meant can't let go of the "Mark of the Beast" theory.

If this theory is real, then we are still in the "old aeon". Shiva seems to accept AC as the Beast, but this "Mark of the Beast" is not AC's. If we believe in this "Mark of the Beast" then AC was not the real Beast! Hence the old aeon is still "real" and the real beast hasn't arrived yet. If the old aeon is real then we should accept the whole of Revelation and become Christians!

So this theory is kind of a "mess" that needs to be sorted out here on this thread. In the OP I gave my "solution": to just "let it go" and "close the door" on the old aeon. Though I admit this is difficult with the "technological evidence" mentioned. That's all I can really say for now, I hope others have some "solutions".

 

Posted by: @shiva

For some reason, Duck is posting into the wee hours, perhaps near dawn.

Yes I have been staying up late and have been preparing my "drawings". With talk of "The End" I hope to play a small part and will post on that particular date next week. 🙂 


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29/03/2020 5:33 am  
Posted by: @duck

If this theory is real, then we are still in the "old aeon". Shiva seems to accept AC as the Beast, but this "Mark of the Beast" is not AC's. If we believe in this "Mark of the Beast" then AC was not the real Beast! Hence the old aeon is still "real" and the real beast hasn't arrived yet. If the old aeon is real then we should accept the whole of Revelation and become Christians!

The Bible speaks of four beasts. The bible is written in metaphor and supposedly relates visions and dreams by the authors. Have you ever had a dream where a dragon appeared and devoured a mountain? And then millions of people lay dead in a valley and clouds formed and rain poured down and all those people came to life again? Ok maybe not. But remember:

IT'S FUCKING DREAM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!

Sure these "prophecies" may come true to a degree. We are still in the Christian era in the Western world. So many people (my mother included) are looking for these things to come true. They are constantly searching for evidence.

It does look like many things are coming to a head. But if these prophecies do come true, they could span hundreds of years instead of one year or a few weeks like we humans tend to want.

We really can't verify things until much further down the road. For example when a stock price bottoms out it bottoms out. But no one knows it right away. It isn't until years later that people realize that that was the clearly the bottom.

bottom

In hindsight it looks like many prophecies have already come true.

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AC could well be one Beast. Manson could be another. I don't see many other candidates unless we start labeling people Beasts who would rather not be titled as such.

Also, consider the source. The bible has been written and edited with an intention to strike fear into those listening and fill seats on Sunday. The same story could be told in quite another way by someone with a different point of view or intention.

Quote:

Daniel 7 King James Version (KJV)

In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.

17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.


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29/03/2020 5:48 am  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

"one like the Son of man"

= Manson?


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Posted by: @duck

I may say things in a "cheeky" way sometimes

Yes, you already admitted that. Or that you didn't want to appear cheeky ... but ...

This is a British term. Nobody uses it over here, but we read it and see it in the movies. Please be advised that you are not being persecuted or inquisited, even if such words are sometimes used for dramatic effect. Not one person on LAShTAL has ever been actually tortured or maimed (physically) by participating in the octagon.

Well, there have been some mental meltdowns. You probably just witnessed the Australian episode.

You are doing just fine, providing hours of entertainment for shut-ins, while we pluck at your tail feathers saying, "Quack, quack!" On the other hand, you are familiar with Dzogchen, so I (at least) know you're not to be taken unseriously.

Posted by: @duck

Shiva seems to accept AC as the Beast

I accept AC as To Mega Therion, The Great Beast, as his magickal name ... in the same way that I accept myself as Shiva, the Lord of Destruction. These are convenient names, and they may reflect our inner aspirations.

But Beast was given to AC by his mommy, and Shiva was thrust upon me by my guru. My own inner landscape and visual library have little to do with Shiva, being pre-mortally installed with a different paradigm.

At a certain level, I accept AC as the Beast from Rev, because it fits in with the Thelemic legend, and somebody has to clean up the HRCC and all those Protesters, and even the Independent Christians, who offer "middle man" services with rewards all being post-mortem.

At another level, the whole, holy scenario is an archetypal script from The Hall of Hallucinations.

Posted by: @duck

So this theory is kind of a "mess" that needs to be sorted out here on this thread.

Or disregarded as illusionary indulgence. But, since we all have so much time on our hands, I agree. Let's dissect Rev and AC and compare the notes and the numbers.

Posted by: @duck

"close the door" on the old aeon.

We are, right now, in the eternal here-and-now, in the "hot zone" of a transition period between two Aeons, as defined by AC. I subscribe to the Aeon Demarcation System, with reservations about how long they last. We cannot just close the door, because we're still, as you say, thoroughly entrenched in the old deal, even as the new deal is being forced upon us. Of course, we want to be on the winning side, so we pick Horus (individuality) over Osiris (fishy slavery). Then we come to LAShTAL to talk about it and makes jokes about Osirians.

Posted by: @elitemachinery

We are still in the Christian era

 

Jeez, I could have said that and saved writing a lot of words. But you certainly illustrate my point with a simple observation.

 

 

 


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29/03/2020 7:53 am  
Posted by: @elitemachinery

Have you ever had a dream where a dragon appeared and devoured a mountain?

Yes, recently. Not exactly devoured, rose out of the side of it causing the mountain to collapse before descending into the valley. Vivid, detailed and intense to all the senses. The dragon didn't bother with the village I was in and its rising caused little damage to the village, even though we were right beside the mountain. It raged right past us. Not to imply it was defending or sparing the village. We just weren't its target. Though there was an unspoken understanding in the village as we observed the spectacle that this dragon was sacred to us(its rising destroyed a community altar to it), even if we may not have been regarded the same by it.

I felt compelled to post this dream on lashtal after waking, but there wasn't a good opportunity at the time. Thanks for providing.

Posted by: @elitemachinery

IT'S FUCKING DREAM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gates_of_horn_and_ivory

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29/03/2020 8:15 am  
Posted by: @shiva

I subscribe to the Aeon Demarcation System

Don't forget we have the Aeon of Maat as well now, which to be honest, I like the sound of a bit more than that of Horus. The "Aeon" concept is a bit of a mess, and were thinking of it in a linear way (1 dimensional), I like to think we can do better than that and expand this "mess" into a few more dimensions to make sense of it. Who knows? 🙂


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29/03/2020 3:27 pm  
Posted by: @duck

Don't forget we have the Aeon of Maat as well now, which to be honest, I like the sound of a bit more than that of Horus. The "Aeon" concept is a bit of a mess, and were thinking of it in a linear way (1 dimensional), I like to think we can do better than that and expand this "mess" into a few more dimensions to make sense of it. Who knows? 

According @shiva these ages overlap by hundreds of years and flow in and out. I tend to agree. Time moves slow and people are stupid.

Maybe we can speed up the process by convincing Christians all their prophecies have already come true? Probably not. But it'd be fun to try.


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