@katrice Thank you for your NO BS approach to Thelema. I will try to retrieve your comments about Indulgence and Transgression in Magic(K) Unless you wouldn't mind reposting them in this thread.
Exactly the methodology of the corrupt the youth, 'sex, drugs, and rock n roll' pseudo counter-culture seeded and steered by Tavistock and Langley for the central banks and corporations, and now nothing but bland mainstream schlock muzak of anti free speech tyrants pushing mass genocide, get the shot, and world war III...a mass initiation into literal hell...but a racially integrated hell so that is all that matters as depicted in this view of Philadelphia near the Badlands....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi1Kf-1qd6Y
I couldn't agree more. Only a Nuclear Holocaust will, on a massive scale, "Tear down, and rebuild a new social order" The present leftist Woke politicians are turning the last bastion of humanity (The United States) into another poverty-stricken tyranny. If ever we needed a Third World War, it is now. No Bible, Quran, or Book of the Law will change that.
the last bastion of humanity (The United States)
Tell me that you have never in your life had a passport, without telling me that you have never in your life had a passport.
I am sure that all the lashtalites from all the "poverty-stricken tyrannies" (ie, all countries that are not the USA) will agree with these very sensible pro-nuclear holocaust views.
Tell me that you have never in your life had a passport, without telling me that you have never in your life had a passport.
Of course I have had a Passport. I have travelled to Germany, Itlay, Russia, Turkey, and Egypt.
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II am sure that all the lashtalites from all the "poverty-stricken tyrannies" (ie, all countries that are not the USA) will agree with these very sensible pro-nuclear holocaust views.
I am just acknowledging the realty of a coming nuclear holocaust. IF the U.S. government keeps supporting the tin-horn dictator Zelensky, then President Putin will no choice.
Poor put-upon "President Putin", his imperial ambitions frustrated by evil Ukrainians, will have "no choice" but to use nuclear weapons (which i thought you favored?). He will destroy the poverty-stricken tyrannies of Europe. And Philadelphia.
Got it.
What any of this has to do with the life and legacy of AC, or "The Secret Sexual Teachings of Aleister Crowley According to J. Edward Cornelius", is a mystery, but then i have made the mistake of replying to a right-wing crank replying to a LaRoucheite. And it is all just fantasy material anyway.
@katrice Thank you for your NO BS approach to Thelema. I will try to retrieve your comments about Indulgence and Transgression in Magic(K) Unless you wouldn't mind reposting them in this thread.
Here's a thread about it:
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/magick/indulgence-and-transgression-in-magickal-practice/
'sex, drugs, and rock n roll' all have an important thing in common, the ecstatic state, which takes us beyond the boundaries of the ego when applied under Will, rather than as empty indulgence. Transgression, while certainly an rejection of limits, can also be an acceptance of what lies beyond those limits, and can show that limits imposed from without and, at least as important if not more, from within, are equally illusory.
"bland mainstream schlock muzak" is the unfortunate result of the that which is dangerous to the status quo being co opted,watered down, and sold for profit as a way of diluting that danger, promoting empty, illusory rebellion that accomplishes nothing.
Thank you, I'll enjoy reading it.Here's a thread about it:
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/magick/indulgence-and-transgression-in-magickal-practice/
@ignant666 "And it is all just fantasy material anyway" Yes, just like Utopian Socialism., and Wokeism in general.
Would never have thought that you, of all people, would join ol' Karl Marx in his critique of "Utopian Socialism", but we learn new things every day.
You would be SHOCKED to know that I took a philosophy course on Marx's early writings when I attended Xavier University. It was about the time I started taking a rudimentary interest in Magic and the Occult. No doubt, you will argue that my grasp of any of this is greatly flawed.Would never have thought that you, of all people, would join ol' Karl Marx in his critique of "Utopian Socialism", but we learn new things every day.
Excuse the diversion off topic, though @katrice properly understands the dangers of mass marketing of indulgences can have disastrous effects on the population not trained in yogic methods and context...
no my diversion, other than to make a point, did have the intent of making sure that @Ignant666, the self confessed drug dealer, had not succumbed to Donald Trump's Department of Defense's Operation Warp Speed clot shots tattooed into his DNA...such that he can make absurd excuses for nazi warmongers. Remember it is the U.S.A. that has a thermonuclear first strike policy, not Russia...and where it is now proven fact that the west never wanted to negotiate peace, per Minsk, but rather has always been the aggressor in World War III started by Obama the puppet in 2014...
Now back to Jerry Edward Cornelius's book, it is important that Jerry notes that 'Sex Magick' only works as regards potentially being able to effect one's creative capabilities, and not for some material desire after having shined the magic lamp....And where he champions thus the content of Energized Enthusiasm, a wonderful essay that makes one think why it was never issued on its own accord as a separate volume...?
It is always helpful to be reminded of the USA's shameful aggression in Ukraine, and Russia's saintly restraint in defending itself (as it must!) from those horrifying attacks.
By invading Ukraine. Again.
Which i had of course forgotten about due to being vaccinated. Um yes.
I am sure that all the lashtalites from all the "poverty-stricken tyrannies"
There is a misunderstanding hither homeward ho, accompanied by a mis=statement ...
The USA is not "the last bastard of humanity," but it is the Tip of The World Order.
What any of this has to do with the life and legacy of AC, or "The Secret Sexual Teachings of Aleister Crowley According to J. Edward Cornelius", is a mystery
Please look up the words: deviant, diversion, dispersion, divergent, divided, deviator. As you well know, we must be on constant guard against the fluctuations of Choronzon, who successively incarnates in somebody every day, who then runs off at the oral cavity about something else.
it is all just fantasy material anyway.
You are now revealing the terrible secret of a Magus, which is so bad that the Mag must stop and consider whether it's worth going on, to which nobody has has responded. Your revelation of 7 words can easil be trimmed to 4 words, which will earn you some sort of prize.
I notice that the complete inner structure of the higher 3 degrees, not generally available in exoteric, or even esoteric, literature, has just been revealed, and instead of intelligent commentary, we get cucumbers and nuclear war. This is an example of what happens when the condensations of oysters are placed in the porcine pen.
"And it is all just fantasy material anyway" Yes, just like Utopian Socialism., and Wokeism in general.
You see what happens when the Magus slips out the final secret?
Please try to refrain from polluting threads with external mumbo-jumbo that is not related to the sinful restrictions of the site.
You would be SHOCKED to know that I took a philosophy course on Marx's early writings when I attended Xavier University.
Please subit the accreditation status of Xavier. Then proceed to return to JC, sex, AC, and the Secrets. Thank you.
no my diversion, other than to make a point,
Abaddon! The Opening of the Gate of Destruction. The thread is shot, the minds scrambled and dispersed. I will now go chop water and carry wood.
It is always helpful to be reminded of the USA's shameful aggression in Ukraine, and Russia's saintly restraint in defending itself (as it must!) from those horrifying attacks.
$18.2 Billion has been given to the Ukraine by the U.S. alone. What possible advantage is that to us? Let the EU bankroll Zelensky who is every bit the tyrant that the west claims Putin is.
The advantages gained by the USA in spending very nearly 2.3% of the $816.7bil US annual Defense Budget on arming Ukraine to resist Russian aggression include
1) using up stocks of outdated, and soon-to-be outdated, weaponry and ammo that would otherwise be scrapped or sold for pennies on the dollar as surplus;
2) gaining in-depth, up-to-date tactical and strategic intelligence about the military of one of the US's principal international adversaries;
3) thwarting the first invasion of a country in Europe since the end of WW II (it is in the US's interest to avoid war in Europe, see WWs I and II, and the NATO treaty to which the US is a signatory);
4) preserving the right of Ukrainians to democratically decide their own lives and destinies, rather than having those things dictated to them by a Russian dictator in Moscow.
These obvious facts of course have zero to do with the thread topic, or any concerns of this forum of the ACS.
Democracy my eye! The Ukraine is a dictatorship that suppresses a free press. The Ukraine was part of Russia and belongs to Russia. How about the U.S. preserve the rights of its own citizens to be free from FBI tyranny? What about citizens illegally arrested after the January 6 demonstration who are still in jail? The heck with the Ukraine. But I digress, this is about Aleister Crowley of course.4) preserving the right of Ukrainians to democratically decide their own lives and destinies, rather than having those things dictated to them by a Russian dictator in Moscow.
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Brandolini's Law states that "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it."
Thus, i will decline to continue the ever-more-OT conversation here.
I have noticed a pattern* with our Toadstool Comrade: demonstrate massive ignorance of a topic, have this massive ignorance pointed out, act all hurt and claim "of course i knew that"; lather, rinse, repeat.
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*Besides the obvious general total slackness/sloppiness, lack of proofreading, poor spelling, lack of punctuation, format issues, etc etc etc. What they teach these kids in librarian school is a mystery to me.
Seeing that the we have determined the nature Jerry's book has to to do with the male fleshy appendage known as a penis, and we have a comedian as head of state who once did copulate a piano, Voldomor Zaleski, and who now has been given billions and billions of dollars to now murder the population of his own said country in a suicidal meat grinder of the new "Russian Front", to which it has been estimated that 450,000 Ukrainian men and mercenaries from other countries have died for his no surrender bravado in trying to recapture provinces of peoples who wanted to self determine their fate and not be murdered as has been the sport of the Ukrainian's since the American coup in 2014....
All this factors into demonstrating that a certain insanity, demonstrated by the piano copulator, finds it easy for drug dealing lawyers excuse a certain senseless slaughter, but it has come to pass though the twitter files that the Russia hysteria was just a hoax from a Rep. Schiff and company, to which the bulging eyes of Rep. Schiff suggest a certain build up of pressure from a misuse of sexual energy akin to the issues observed with the piano copulator Zalenski.
Will the content of Jerry's book help these deranged demagogues and murderers, or do Americans just need a Bullshit Meter relative to support this World War Vietnam.
Why I bet a certain ignant666 was against Vietnam at one time, but like Lyndon Johnson is all for the slaughter because it is only costing a fraction of the bloated Pentagon money laundering operation
Don't worry...join the Marines and that sex change operation will be paid for by taxpayers...
Anyways it was Israel Regardie who thought that people interested in Magick should undergo psycho analysis, which Regardie did, and relative to his time as the Great Beast's secretary....Regardie would go on to train as a psychiatrist and worked along the lines of Wilhelm Reich, in directly working with the character armor of blocked eros where ones perceptual distortions are so marked that copulating with a piano is thought to be funny, but rather is representative of an idiot and morally deranged fool and egotist who has no sympathy for human suffering.
Like most lefties, Iggy666 is a hypocrite and a war monger who thinks spending billions to a corrupt little bastard is some sort of sign of moral superiority. But woe unto him who dare disagree, another left-wing trait.Why I bet a certain ignant666 was against Vietnam at one time, but like Lyndon Johnson is all for the slaughter because it is only costing a fraction of the bloated Pentagon money laundering operation
While it is nice listening to you two fellate Putin, and abuse me, do you boys have anything at all to say about the OT, or is this thread now just a private right-wing little boys' circle-jerk?
The Cult of Jesus Penisism.
or is this thread now just a private right-wing little boys' circle-jerk?
It is.
And I am pretty sure Paul would just love to take this site down because of these imbecile conspiracy nuts. I wouldn't blame him. It's what "social media" does to us. Living with this BS. Listening to it. I personally just take it as a hint whom to take seriously. But then on the other hand, I had the jab. What do I know? And I also live in a country that would experience their World War wish.
Even Jerry, whose book this thread is about and who is not known as a leftist, would probably be ashamed.
is this thread now just a private right-wing little boys' circle-jerk?
I did try to at least redirect it to the broader topic of sex magick in general, but it seems that's just not as interesting.
I was certainly interested in Jerry's book when it was first announced. As I recall, it hinted at some secret crucial to success in sexual magic hitherto unknown to the masses...or at least those attempting to follow after Crowley's instruction (being the highly successful sexual magician he was).
The initial reviews indicated that no such addendum was delivered-but hardened Lashtalians are accustomed to a field of publication where the menu tends to be more impressive than the meal.
What WAS delivered (according to the reviews) was a guide to “sanctifying sex” as a sort of permanent discipline or devotion for the penis-people. The comments were not without interest but lacked any sort of OMG Lightning Bolt Revelation.
The discussion around Christianity in the innermost Sanctuaries of the Crowley Cultus was also of interest, I thought. But at this point, I'm wondering if I'm commenting on the correct thread. It seems that somewhere along the line of discussing Spiritual Aspiration and Lancing a Lot, there entered the idea of how nuclear devastation is requisite to cleanse society of its bullshit-and then Team Russia vs. Team Ukraine became a theme.
I think Covid vaccines have also entered the fray.
I suppose bombs and needles ARE symbols of the thrusting of the lance. Jaz Coleman of Killing Joke fame alludes to the parading of warheads in this context in his stirring Courtauld Talks. Robert Anton Wilson observes the back and forth of missiles as akin to primates throwing feces at one another (I believe that's from Cosmic Trigger Vol. 2).
Perhaps we may observe the same with the ping-pong of postings?
Is there anything else to say about Jerry's book? Or is that a wrap?
@toadstoolwe
when you feed it;
the clandestine, unseen, undisclosed, hidden, aspect;
allows the secret seed substance to flow out
from where it has been confined.
The mark, sign, emblem, characteristic, symptom, evidence, proof,
of the outward symbol of the force of the Formless Reality,
erupts into ardency of the Primordial Matter.
Nature's passage of birth, labor, sustenance, and cycle of renewal reawakens.
The limited boundaries of the confined defined Self are transcended.
Spawned, a new suckling.
I was certainly interested in Jerry's book when it was first announced. As I recall, it hinted at some secret crucial to success in sexual magic hitherto unknown to the masses...or at least those attempting to follow after Crowley's instruction (being the highly successful sexual magician he was).
Though sex magick has certainly developed from that point, and from a phallocentric, spermognostic point.
What WAS delivered (according to the reviews) was a guide to “sanctifying sex” as a sort of permanent discipline or devotion for the penis-people.
Which leaves me unqualified, unless you count occasional use of external accessories.
The comments were not without interest but lacked any sort of OMG Lightning Bolt Revelation.
The biggest disappointment is that seems to be the case. Maybe there really are no secrets left and we need to look to the future now.
The discussion around Christianity in the innermost Sanctuaries of the Crowley Cultus was also of interest, I thought.
Is there anything else to say about Jerry's book? Or is that a wrap?
Maybe Christianity in the innermost Sanctuaries of the Crowley Cultus was the Secret? It was news to me, but I have little involvement with the OTO.
an OTO thing.
The OTO thing about the VIII* being political has now been demonstrated to the world. The Connection, in this thread, may be acausal. I would backtrack upstream to see where the exact shift came, but that would be so anal.
Further up The Line in Roman Numerals, we find the King, who has nothing to do with sexual techniques (as a degree). This position is administrative.
There is then inserted, by bisexual BafometR, an XI*, which is the mirror image of a IX, and it's the same thing, but with a member of the same sex.
There's only one OHO, but the presents decided to number it XIII, or XII ... I always get confused about adding numbers to a closed system - then I remember that this is (almost) always done to either gain further prestige or to sell more degrees (at a higher and higher level).
Oh, yeah. Here's one last final secret, and I then don't have any more to sell: In terms of the curriculum, Price of the Royal Secret "is where the nature of the final secret is first openly disclosed." Princedom is bestowed as an addendum to the VI* (Templar).
Note that if VI were Geburah, and VII was Chesed, that Princedom would lie along the path of At XI.
Prince of the Royal Secret is the 32* of Freemasonry.
Then comes the VII*, equivalent to, and based upon, the 33* of Masonry. In the curriculum, the new Very Illustrious Sovereign Grand Inspector
General ... and ... Member of the Supreme Grand Council ... finds him/her self having been tricked into an Oath of Chastity.
Yes, OTO offers all the luxuries of a speedy Path of Liberation: An Oath of Obedience, an Oath of Chastity, an Oath of Poverty, all under the umbrella Tent of Secrecy. Oh, yeah, one gets to pay, rather heavily as tempus fugits,
Maybe there really are no secrets left
You have, of course, disclosed The Final Secret of The Illuminati, as well as The Final Secret of Anything, and your will need to get down to HQ to take the usual Obligations of Secrecy. Please bring cash.
You have, of course, disclosed The Final Secret of The Illuminati, as well as The Final Secret of Anything, and your will need to get down to HQ to take the usual Obligations of Secrecy. Please bring cash.
The true "secrets" or "mysteries" are within, of course. How much "revelation" is really anamnesis?
The true "secrets" or "mysteries" are within, of course.
Aha! I see you know the real secret behind the many secrets, of which there are none. What?
Artificial secrets include rites, passwords, grips, signs, and a revised viewpoint on reproductive anatomy and physiology, etc. Since they are artificial (i.e., made-up), they are just vulgar (common) secrets.
Real Secrets include how to get out and into the astral, shifting from normal mode into wu-wei, reading Tarot accurately, talking to Angels, all the siddhis that are unteachable, but people manifest them, anyway, etc.
It should be noted that in many cases a person may exhibit a siddhi, but nobody else can do it, and the siddhist cannot write out instructions that work for anybody.. But if one were to go and be in the personal presence of this Saint, and he/she demonstrated some siddhi, then talked you through it, while you did it, all very casually, no big deal ... and it worked!
Yeah. the "real" secrets cannot be revealed, because they are unrevealable - they just don't register properly when writ.
At a higher level, states of consciousness are transmitted. In Dzogchen, the student (even before doing any practices) is introduced to the Void-state right up front. The teacher just transmits it, the student gets it. Then it wears off, and the student becomes an aspirant ... and he/she has the advantage of knowing what the goal is.
The Thelemic literature (found in the Liber-airy) does not seem to describe doing it this way, at all. I wonder how it was that we utilized this method back in the 50s?
Yeah. the "real" secrets cannot be revealed, because they are unrevealable - they just don't register properly when writ.
The rational can point the way to the transrational, but the transrational itself is beyond language and therefore beyond the rational. Thus the real mysteries can never be profaned.
the real mysteries can never be profaned.
Profaned. Is that the word we use for books that [claim to] reveal the mysteries?
As far as the Mysteries of this thread go, in relation to the Custodian of the secret sexual lineage, I believe "they" only have one card left in the hole: A few unpublished docs, including the full-length [so-called] Confessions, and some diaries. I suppose the diaries will publish along with RTC's copy of the Rose diary.
Profaned. Is that the word we use for books that [claim to] reveal the mysteries?
Evidently. I've seen people freak out about that and "casting pearls before swine". Any "mystery" that can be endangered through translation in to language is not a true mystery.
As far as the Mysteries of this thread go, in relation to the Custodian of the secret sexual lineage, I believe "they" only have one card left in the hole: A few unpublished docs, including the full-length [so-called] Confessions, and some diaries.
and Liber Collegii Interni, Liber Mysteriorum and The Utterance of the Pythoness, if they actually exist
I suppose the diaries will publish along with RTC's copy of the Rose diary.
And Amado's Book of Desolation? 😉
Any "mystery" that can be endangered through translation in to language is not a true mystery.
Uh-oh! There goes the last wrappings on the secret of the ninth, upon which rests the entire mysterious secret core of the whole Ordo.
The true "secrets" or "mysteries" are within, of course.
What about the greatest secret of all, the secret of Kentucky Fried Chicken's 11 herbs and spices? You notice it is 11, not 10, not 12, but 11! The master number. ABRAHADABRA!
What about the greatest secret of all, the secret of Kentucky Fried Chicken's 11 herbs and spices? You notice it is 11, not 10, not 12, but 11! The master number. ABRAHADABRA!
Oh but that secret 's been online forever!
Makhashanah!
Yes, in a very general way. BUT! do you know the exact measurements and proportions needed? Not unlike doing a magick ritual, to know the hidden gestures and utterances. So far, no one has replicated the formula for the chicken, if they had, KFC would have gone out business years ago. It's pure culinary alchemy.Oh but that secret 's been online forever!
What about the greatest secret of all, the secret of Kentucky Fried Chicken's 11 herbs and spices?
Please get a grip on your mind and your keyboard. Your reply is what is known as a break, as in broken. I believe it was you who derailed this thread by suddenly, as a break in focus, veered off into contemporary politics and landed in Ignant's Repository for Political Breakers.
It's pure culinary alchemy.
And pure off-topic bullshit.
Posted by: @shiva
I'm sure this will go over well at the Thelemic Ladies Aid Society.
What they need is a good Fixin.
These men.
I will go to the church
take a dump
and then do the working,
and draw out
the secret practical wisdoms
hidden in the good book.
O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.
psalm 94
bring them down into the pit of destruction:
psalm 55
May burning coals fall on them; may they be thrown into the fire, into miry pits, never to rise.
psalm 140
Maybe someday when i get older.
Get a sense of humor grandpa.
Your humor is way off-topic.
Get a sense of what's going on. You have pulled two derailments in this thread, rather recently. , political and culinary. The next one will get you reported to the office.
Now it's one thing when the threads are in the doldrums, and only a few hang on, probably being silly or off-the-thread-title, but it's another thing when a thread is disintegrating, with several people complaining about the disintegration. This is not social media.
I have no grandchildren. No children at all. I'd like to see you exercise that same tone in the dojo.
@shiva Heh, no disrespect intended, I am 65 years old, you can call me gramps too. I don't take offense, being on the edge of my "golden years" I take pride in my new incarnation.
I have no grandchildren. No children at all. I'd like to see you exercise that same tone in the dojo.
I'll bet you could kick my ass without any problem!
Now it's one thing when the threads are in the doldrums, and only a few hang on, probably being silly or off-the-thread-title, but it's another thing when a thread is disintegrating, with several people complaining about the disintegration. This is not social media.
Several people? I don't recall anyone complaining. (At least not in this thread, maybe there is a secret website where members rat on each other.) Anyway, I got your message, I'll play nice from now on.
Paternity is the sex secret amongst those who have had children, that is a fact of nature I do not know if Jerry speaks about...
Paternity ... I do not know if Jerry speaks about
JC has a childe ... named Faustus. I do not know if this is a dirty trick to play on your kid, or not.
Faustus is now a yong adult - getting older each day. JC has, over the years, posted Faustus quotes, activities, and pictures.
Paternity is not a secret anymore ... they have Pater DBA Tests.
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