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"gurugeorge" wrote:
It's an interesting thought. 

If I were writing an "occult history" though, I'd put it differently......... , which wouldn't have been so bad in and of itself, except that for a confluence of reasons, that hardened into orthodox, then Catholic Christianity. 

Dr Leary had a good take on this.  See what you think.  He said, words to the effect of, that the monotheisms had to happen as they were  some sort of DNA-directive (i.e. a tool).  That is, in terms of the (very, very) long-term goal of humanity of creating an empire in space, the many isolated communities had to be forced together in massive monolithic states otherwise the essential industrialization and technological achievements couldn't happen.  This was achieved via the crushing of polytheisms in a harsh centralization in an intolerant "catholic" universal church (protestanism was just a mere tweeking  of that structure).  Here we are as a bi-product of that in the 21st century instantly communicating from different parts of the globe.  Why?  Primarily due to Stalinism, Nazism, war-mongering "armoured" lunatics and medieval witch-hunts (McCarthy and Hopkins alike.)  Of course this completely coloured Leary and Wilson's analysis of what Liber Al  really was about and I'm sure you can find lots of relevant phrases in Liber Al that back this up. 

In this paradigm of Leary's we have e.g. highly educated imbeciles nowadays who are against genetic modification as a means of disease-prevention on "ethical" grounds.  That is, mindlessness and ignorance like this was needed but it is now, at this time obsolete as is the dodo.  Maybe that is what the aeon of Horus is about.  Horus is  a god of warfare and warfare always invests in and accelerates technological advancement.  It has to.  Maybe that's what "God" (i.e. "the gods" i.e. DNA) wants.  The best example of this was the British code-cracking of WW2 which necessitated intense developments in information technology.  Likewise Nazi rocket science was directly employed for the Moon landing project and this could not have happened without computers.   

Maybe Crowley, who had a knack for seeing trends happening (i.e. as a magician he was closer to the "DNA directive") "intuited" all this and was aware in 1904 that war and revolution and technological intensification would happen that would point towards space migration.  Didn't he even muse in his Diaries that "we" would be migrating to Venus or some such planet? 


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"Shiva" wrote:
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... it's not actually Islam that's bent on conquering the world, only the minority who take Islam absolutely literally.

The Qur’an contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with infidels. Some passages are rather violent, containing commands to chop off heads and fingers and to kill nonbelievers wherever they are hiding. Muslims who do not join in this conflict are called “hypocrites” and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the massacre.

Admittedly, it was probably "the minority" of Christians who set off on the Crusades back in the middle ages. It's not so much a matter of what's written in the so-called "Holy" books of any religion. It's the fact that anybody at all is undertaking aggressive action against his/her neighbors over religious differences. Take away the religions and then they'll be fighting over territory. Settle the territorial issues and they'll be fighting over natural resources. Et cetera ad nauseum. People are aggressive and not likely to change ... ever.

But right now, today, it's the Islamic State and their shadows (Al-Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, and other funny names) who are pointing their swords at us (the western world, the Great Satan ;D). Next in the line of aggressors are the godless communists (who now have refound religion and will imprison you for singing anti-Putin songs in church).

It's true that all religions have dubious-to-nasty stuff in them, but there are quite substantial differences between religions - as Sam Harris puts it, you'd have to work quite hard to justify terrorism out of Buddhist texts.  Whereas with Islam it's easy, and also with Christianity (although to a lesser extent).

I remember reading the Koran in my early 20s and being shocked at how much of it was just weird, insane ranting - I'd read some Rumi and stuff, and read Crowley talking about the "nobility" of Islam, so I expected some good stuff.  And there is some good stuff there, without a doubt.  It's just a question of the proportion of insane ranting to good stuff that's variable, on a continuum, across religions.  Some religions just give more hostages to fortune than others.

Liber AL too, has the same mixture - heartrendingly beautiful stuff cheek-by-jowl with insane ranting.  Probably about in equal measure, actually.


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"david" wrote:
"gurugeorge" wrote:
It's an interesting thought. 

If I were writing an "occult history" though, I'd put it differently......... , which wouldn't have been so bad in and of itself, except that for a confluence of reasons, that hardened into orthodox, then Catholic Christianity. 

Dr Leary had a good take on this.  See what you think.  He said, words to the effect of, that the monotheisms had to happen as they were  some sort of DNA-directive (i.e. a tool).  That is, in terms of the (very, very) long-term goal of humanity of creating an empire in space, the many isolated communities had to be forced together in massive monolithic states otherwise the essential industrialization and technological achievements couldn't happen.  This was achieved via the crushing of polytheisms in a harsh centralization in an intolerant "catholic" universal church (protestanism was just a mere tweeking  of that structure).  Here we are as a bi-product of that in the 21st century instantly communicating from different parts of the globe.  Why?  Primarily due to Stalinism, Nazism, war-mongering "armoured" lunatics and medieval witch-hunts (McCarthy and Hopkins alike.)  Of course this completely coloured Leary and Wilson's analysis of what Liber Al  really was about and I'm sure you can find lots of relevant phrases in Liber Al that back this up. 

In this paradigm of Leary's we have e.g. highly educated imbeciles nowadays who are against genetic modification as a means of disease-prevention on "ethical" grounds.  That is, mindlessness and ignorance like this was needed but it is now, at this time obsolete as is the dodo.  Maybe that is what the aeon of Horus is about.  Horus is  a god of warfare and warfare always invests in and accelerates technological advancement.  It has to.  Maybe that's what "God" (i.e. "the gods" i.e. DNA) wants.  The best example of this was the British code-cracking of WW2 which necessitated intense developments in information technology.  Likewise Nazi rocket science was directly employed for the Moon landing project and this could not have happened without computers.   

Maybe Crowley, who had a knack for seeing trends happening (i.e. as a magician he was closer to the "DNA directive") "intuited" all this and was aware in 1904 that war and revolution and technological intensification would happen that would point towards space migration.  Didn't he even muse in his Diaries that "we" would be migrating to Venus or some such planet? 

Speaking in "occult history" terms, I think one of the key areas of subtle influence was on the birth of science-fiction and the superhero concept (earlier Nietzsche, then Crowley's presence in the USA, and later the Agape lodge, Parsons, etc.). 

The vast, vast difference between our modern mythology (s-f and superheroes) and those of the past is its future orientation, and the way it's boostrapping us into the future it predicts.

At the end of one of the Aethyrs, there's a bit about a comet-tail of "wonders" that reminds me very much of the "Gernsback Continuum" type of s-f future that was so prevalent in the mid-20th century.

But I think it goes beyond just "colonizing the stars".  I think that's more of an interim goal, though probably likely the main achievement of the Aeon of Horus - the goal beyond that is more in the area of what's been called the Singularity, except it's a bit further ahead than enthusiasts probably think, with a lot more groundwork to be done.  The Aeon of Maat is probably about as far beyond our current capability of understanding as our lives now would be to a chimp.  (Actually maybe a bit like the "future selves communicating backwards" thing of Interstellar - and maybe that's what the Secret Chiefs actually are! 🙂 I'm also quite fond of the Terence McKenna idea that fungi actually are the hyper-advanced alien "spaceship" all around us, and psychedelics in particular are their "message" to us.)

Interestingly though, it's not all win-win or a linear progression - some things are lost, as well as some gained.  But hopefully there's a net gain.


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