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Set-Tetu-Ra
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05/02/2020 1:55 pm  

"This Line Drawn is a Key"

93!

For the record this is me reworking something I read elsewhere, I did not discover this.

AL III,47: "This book shall be translated into all tongues: but always with the original in the writing of the Beast; for in the chance shape of the letters and their position to one another: in these are mysteries that no Beast shall divine. Let him not seek to try: but one cometh after him, whence I say not, who shall discover the Key of it all. Then this line drawn is a key: then this circle squared in its failure is a key also. And Abrahadabra. It shall be his child and that strangely. Let him not seek after this; for thereby alone can he fall from it."

In the original manuscript we can see this line drawn across the page at the time of writing. This line covers/creates the following letters:

s(h) t B e t i s a y f a

When we separate these two "words" based on capitalization we get "s(h)t" and "B e t i s a y f a".

S(h)t = SET = שׁט = atu XX + atu XI = 31.

B e t i s a y f a = בהטישׂאיפא
= 2+5+9+10+300+1+10+80+1 = 418 = Abrahadabra

"And Abrahadabra [is also the key]"

Without Zeros
2+5+9+1+3+1+1+8+1 = 31 = SET

Thus we have a solution to the identity of Aiwass: SET = Abrahadabra = SET.

To add, Set was originally the sole/main son of Nuit, and was the "midnight sun" who ruled the night as the Imperishable Stars while defending Ra from Apep.

"There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son. The ending of the words is the Word Abrahadabra."
Set-Aiwaz, AL III:74-75

93, 93/93!

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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Behemoth
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05/02/2020 10:03 pm  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

"This Line Drawn is a Key"

For the record this is me reworking something I read elsewhere, I did not discover this.

To add, Set was originally the sole/main son of Nuit, and was the "midnight sun" who ruled the night as the Imperishable Stars while defending Ra from Apep.

"There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son. The ending of the words is the Word Abrahadabra."
Set-Aiwaz, AL III:74-75

93, 93/93!

 

I think the majority of folks posting here on Lashtal are familiar with these Keys being ShT, Set, 31, AL, LA, Not etc. I also myself started a thread of pestilence not long ago that talked about the ShT/AL/31 connection and RPSTOVAL.

 

The word "B e t i s a y f a" has popped up in some old Lashtal threads I've found from time to time and on some other thelemic forums, but even if the word does add up to 418, I still don't understand it constituting much of a key if it is just a word that happens to add up to 418.

 

You mentioning Set as defending Ra from Apep is a familiar scene, especially the deciption in the style where he is on board of the Sun boat of RA.

 

This also reminded me one of my own futile "line drawn" solutions I tried to work out years ago, but the degrees did not quite add up with the line drawn in Liber Al's grid page. I might as well share it anyway, it having some relevance to this topic.

 

My attempt at "the line drawn" was to try fit it with other keys and especially regarding the 31/AL/LA Key, of which Crowley claimed to Frater Achad in a telegram: "Your key opens Palace" & "all solved" (regarding the line drawn, circule squared and abrahadabra).

 

I think personally all of these must have some sort of a reasonable connection with the line drawn and relevance with each other if some sort of a definite solution for the line drawn will be found some day.

 

The Sun's Boat, usually decipted as Crescent Moon, especially called that by the Egyptians, is sometimes decipted as lunette/crescent.

 

In latitudes of about 30 degrees and that cover Egypt especially, the crescent can assume the following shape (remiscient of a "boat of the sun" in terms of symbolism ):

 

The Book of the Law and circumstances surrounding it's receiving were described as Crowley as the "Equinox of the Gods". There is a highly eccentric book called "The computation of 666: And its relation to antichristian systems, but having reference to a person, the coming Antichrist, who is to be overthrown by the Sun of Righteousness" which was released in 1891, and from which I got some of my ideas trying to solve the line drawn mystery.

 

I must quote some concepts from it to point out the circle squared in it's failure which also is featured on the grid page:

(if we are to regard the circle squared as something other than simply the pi equation of Crowley and perhaps having some relevance to the line drawn. The Quartered Circle (or Circled Cross) having also much relevance for the four solar stations or four seasons/four cardinal directions or division of time and seasons itself):

 

There are not thirty exact days in a month, nor are there twelve exact months in a year. Still less does a year, that is, the true solar year, consist of exactly 360 days. Still less does a year, that is, the true solar year, consist of exactly 360 days. There are fractions over in each case. These fractions were entirely avoided by the ancients. Fractions were not necessary for their calculations. The cycle was viewed as dying in the fractional period, and rising again, till after so many repetitions of the original cycle a new entire cycle had been made up of the franction.

 

Much interests, therefore, arises out of balancing-point of these two great forces. The great principle of gravitation is founded on the fact that there are in nature two great forces - Repulsion and Attraction. We see this illustrated in the course of a bullet fired straight from a rifle into the air; it speeds straight along until, by the resistance of the atmosphere, its own force is exhausted, and yielding to the attraction of the earth, it falls. The two are equalised at the equinoxes. This equalisation was called the Balance, and has given its name to the sign, "Libra" (the Balance).

 

Crowley viewed LA/31/NOT as one of the Keys to Liber L and it was the very addition of Aleph / 1 that was the key so that even the title of the book was changed from Liber L to Liber AL.

 

My own "attempt" with the "Line drawn is a key" was somewhat inspired by the motion demonstration of the book I quoted above and especially if we are to consider the Libra/Balance (or Lamed) and what the addition of 1 does to such Balance.

 

The book goes on to describe/demonstrate:

As the sun occupies 6 signs on each side of the equator, his entry into the 7th is the Balance. And who can deny that at that moment a vital change takes place on the earth? If any doubt this, let him compare the condition of vegetation in the months between spring and autumn with that which exists in the mouths between nutumn and spring. Dupuis recognised this, and saw in it the great basis of the week. He thought it was the origin of the sabbath. And he is so far right that it forms one great basis in nature for the week; for 7, the number by which all vital functions are regulated, is the emblem of completion and of rest, and the very though of rest implies that there has been previous labour, previous movement.

 

 

But to illustrate this thought or the cross or balance, let us take a balance, first premising the simplest of all its forms, the Tau, or T, itself. Let us suppose a perfectly even rod, A C B D, exactly poised upon the line E F at F. Now impart to it a gentle motion by pressing it down at one, say, B D, and let it swing. The end, A C, will swing up into the air, and the end, B D, which has been pressed will fall downwards until 7/12ths of the rod be on the side of the balance you have pressed, and 5/12ths only on the other.

 

That will bring the points, E F, and G all into a straight line.

 

Thus:

 

At this point the movement will be reversed, the scale will commence to readjust itself, and the rod will osicillate till the original force of the pressure be quite exhausted and teh equilibrium be restored.

 

Thus 7, and not 6, is the number expressing movement. The sun's entrance into the seventh sign completes the action both ways. The system of the ancients took full account of all this. This addition of 1 arising out of movement was carried through the whole. Thus the 6 signs became 7; the 12 signs became 13; the 18 signs visible at a time became 19.

I've also included in the post the "line drawn" from Grid Page of Liber Al for reference next to the description of the picture demonstration from the book:

Why I am bringing this up some may ask? Because it was the simple addition of 1 to L and AL/LA being the so-called "master" Key of Liber Legis.

 

Motion & Rest are the keywords here. For example, in the Book of Lies Chapter 31 that deals with the concept of LA or "Not" (that is the Key of Al), the opening lines are: "IT moves from motion into rest, and rests from rest into motion. These IT does alway, for time is not. So that IT does neither of these things"

 

This is also the first chapter where we encounter the concept of "IT" in the Book of Lies and this chapter also described Crowley as to refer to the Hebrew word LA, which means "not".

 

Sadly, if I remember correctly (as it was few years ago), trying to work out the (not so perfectly straight) line drawn in Liber AL grid page did not fulfill the demonstration of Balance/Libra or even imply Equinox or such turning point from rest to motion or motion to rest, even though the line does begin from row 1 and ends up on row 7. Then again, the grid itself was superimposed on the page years after the original writing/dictation and line drawn without the grid numbers and alphabet.

 

Crowley also sent Achad the mysterious telegram after receiving Frater Achad's 31/LA revelation. "Your Key Opens Palace", so what did Crowley mean by that? "Thou knowest Not, your Key opens Palace".

 

I personally have never seen any other Thelemic writers or commentators bringing this connection up in regards to the "Palace of the 4 gates" mentioned in Liber Legis. In the book "The computation of 666" where most of the material of this post is from, such palace of the 4 gates is also mentioned, or the descriptions of the royal city and of its wondrous Palace of Righteousness. (The writer also makes it have some sort of connection with the Abracadabra triangle)

 

The following quotes are from the Buddhist text MAHÂ-SUDASSANA SUTTA that details the The Great King Of Glory. The Great King of Glory most likely refers to the Sun and deals with the Sun Myth in Buddhist flesh or context, so to speak:

 

To the royal city Kusâvatî, Ânanda, there were Four Gates. One gate was of gold, and one of silver, and one of jade, and one of crystal. At each gate seven pillars were fixed; in height as three times or as four times the height of a man. And one pillar was of gold, and one of silver, and one of beryl, and one of crystal, and one of agate, and one of coral, and one of all kinds of gems.

 

The royal city Kusâvatî, Ânanda, was surrounded by Seven Rows of Palm Trees. One row was of palms of gold, and one of silver, and one of beryl, and one of crystal, and one of agate, and one of coral, and one of all kinds of gems.

 

And whoever, Ânanda, in the royal city Kusâvatî were at that time gamblers, drunkards, and given to drink, they used to dance round together to the sound of those palms when shaken by the wind.

 

The ground-floor, Ânanda, of the Palace of Righteousness, in height as three times the height to which a man can reach, was built of bricks, of four kinds. One kind of brick was of gold, and one of silver, and one of beryl, and one of crystal.

Contrast those descriptions with the description of the Palace from Liber AL I, 51:

There are four gates to one palace; the floor of that palace is of silver and gold; lapis lazuli & jasper are there; and all rare scents; jasmine & rose, and the emblems of death. Let him enter in turn or at once the four gates; let him stand on the floor of the palace. Will he not sink? Amn. Ho! warrior, if thy servant sink? But there are means and means. Be goodly therefore: dress ye all in fine apparel; eat rich foods and drink sweet wines and wines that foam! Also, take your fill and will of love as ye will, when, where and with whom ye will! But always unto me.

 

Both have precious gems, four gates or entrances, floor of silver & and of gold. Even some drunkards! Also the emblems of death are relevant for the MAHÂ-SUDASSANA sutta itself deals with the death of Buddha, or sinking of the sun by some interpretators.

 

Probably coincidence, but Crowley also mentions Buddha's attendant Ānanda (who the sutta is dedicated to begin with) in his new commentary to the verse AL I,51 where the Palace of the four gates is mentioned: "By Paul sat Buddha smiling, Ananda's arm about his neck"

 

One of the first translations of this texts into English describes it as:

Turning now to the Sutta itself, we find that the portion of the legend omitted in the Gâtaka throws an unexpected light upon the tale; for it commences with a long description of the riches and glory of Mahâ Sudassana, and reveals in its details the instructive fact that the legend is nothing more nor less than a spiritualist's sun-myth.

 

It cannot be disputed that the sun-myth theory has become greatly discredited, and with reason, by having been used too carelessly and freely as an explanation of religious legends of different times and countries which have really no historical connection with the earlier awe and reverence inspired by the sun. The very mention of the word sun-myth is apt to call forth a smile of incredulity, and the indubitable truth which is the basis of the theory has not sufficed to protect it from the shafts of ridicule. The 'Book of the Great King of Glory' seems to afford a useful example both of the extent to which the theory may be accepted, and of the limitations under which it should always be applied.

 

It must at once be admitted that whether the whole story is based on a sun-story, or whether certain parts or details of it are derived from things first spoken about the sun, or not, it is still essentially Buddhistic. A large proportion of its contents has nothing at all to do with the worship of the sun; and even that which has, had not, in"

 

MAHÂ-SUDASSANA sutta also has an interesting ending in regards to IT/LA/NOT that deals with the concepts of rest & motion:

 

"How transient are all component things!
Growth is their nature and decay:
They are produced, they are dissolved again:
And then is best, when they have sunk to rest!"

End of the Mahâ-Sudassana Sutta.

 

 

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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Set-Tetu-Ra
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27/02/2020 2:55 am  

So I wanted to update this as we've been discussing it in another, more scattered thread. We just discovered an even further connection to Set in this riddle, a solution that incorporates all aspects: the line, the letters, the circle, and Abrahadabra as a key. 

To summarize in whole:

The letters touched or, in the case of T created, by the line are:

s h t B e t i s a y f a

The B capitalization may imply two separate concepts, whereas “I” is just capitalized as a rule of grammar. In Crowley’s magic Set was associated with the Hebrew תש (sht) which, based on the Tree of Life associations, equated to the XI and XX cards of the tarot, totaling to 31. One of Crowley’s most famous students, Achad, also discovered 31 to the “the key” of AL, but never solved its mysteries. This would also be the correct spelling of Set in Hebrew.

S(h)t = SET = תש = atu XX + atu XI = 31

B e t i s a y f a, when translated into Hebrew, is 2 + 5 + 9 + 10 + 300 + 1 + 10 + 80 + 1 = 418.

When we use alternative forms of numerology on this 418, like removing all zeros, we get: 2 + 5 + 9 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 1 +8 + 1 = 31 = SET, hiddenw within Abrahadabra.

In The Book of the Law, 418 is the word ABRAHADABRA, the “word of the Aeon”, ארבאדאהארבא, which III:47 says is also the key to the riddle. So we have not only Set, but the word of the Aeon when we separate the other letters from it, and Set hidden within Abrahadabra, which is the key to solving this very puzzle. 

The last two verses of AL further confirm the presence of Set:

III 74. There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son. 

III 75. The ending of the words is the Word Abrahadabra.

Set was the midnight sun, defender of Ra at night when he was attacked by Apep. Set was associated with Ursa Major and so was “up” when the Sun, Ra, was “down”. He was also, as mentioned, the “son of Nut” in mythology. The name, hidden and glorious, of the speaker, Aiwass, is “SET”. 

Finally, the line and circle themselves reference Set, as they point the way to the Circumpolar Stars, Set's domain. The cross in the circle is the astronomical symbol for earth, and the line itself correlates to the angle of earth to our north stars. To share @duck 's discovery:

If you measure it from the top of the line to "Beast" its pretty close, about 23.2 deg (the real figure is 23.4). If you measure the whole line its a bit off, about 25 deg.

From wikipedia "Earth's obliquity oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees[2] on a 41,000-year cycle; Earth's mean obliquity is currently 23°26′12.0″ (or 23.43667°) and decreasing".

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The solution to AL III:47 is SET, the identity of Aiwaz in the Egyptian Pantheon. 

 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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27/02/2020 9:13 am  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

So I wanted to update this as we've been discussing it in another, more scattered thread. We just discovered an even further connection to Set in this riddle, a solution that incorporates all aspects: the line, the letters, the circle, and Abrahadabra as a key. 

 

To summarize in whole:

 

The B capitalization may imply two separate concepts, whereas “I” is just capitalized as a rule of grammar. In Crowley’s magic Set was associated with the Hebrew תש (sht) which, based on the Tree of Life associations, equated to the XI and XX cards of the tarot, totaling to 31. One of Crowley’s most famous students, Achad, also discovered 31 to the “the key” of AL, but never solved its mysteries. This would also be the correct spelling of Set in Hebrew.

S(h)t = SET = תש = atu XX + atu XI = 31

 

Set was the midnight sun, defender of Ra at night when he was attacked by Apep. Set was associated with Ursa Major and so was “up” when the Sun, Ra, was “down”. He was also, as mentioned, the “son of Nut” in mythology. The name, hidden and glorious, of the speaker, Aiwass, is “SET”. 

 

The solution to AL III:47 is SET, the identity of Aiwaz in the Egyptian Pantheon.

 

 

 

Didn't Crowley claim that “Aiwaz is not (as I had supposed) a mere formula like many angelic names, but it is the true most ancient name of the God of the Yezidis, and thus returns to the highest Antiquity. Our work is therefore historically authentic, the rediscovery of the Sumerian Tradition.“.

 

 

This was also discussed in the thread "Various II:76 Cipher Solutions" few days ago.

 

 

But now we have to consider him in the Egyptian tradition too? It's getting a bit too much for me personally 🙂

 

I also remember Crowley quoting somewhere that he employed Hadit (or Behdet) and Nuit for simple convenience and stripped down all of their symbolical and mythological elements: Nuit is Matter, and Hadit is Motion. Of course, everyone has their right to interpret AL as they want, but I personally do not consider it as some sort of historical "rediscovery" of the Egyptian or Sumerian Tradition.

 

 

The case for Set is also a difficult one, because I think we haven't even definitely settled for Set's "Totem Animal"

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_animal

 

By the Greeks, I quote wiki: Set was identified with the Greek Typhon, the animal is also commonly known as the Typhonian animal or Typhonic beast. Some Egyptian texts suggest that Set took the form of a dangerous animal, such as a bull or crocodile.

 

 

Set, sometimes decipted as "protecting" the Sun's boat from the hostile dwellers of Waters", while at other times, he is portrayed as a dweller of water himself.

 

 

There is the crocodile and also the hippopotamus (in which some Biblical folk have identified with the Behemoth of the Book of Job. Behemah or Bahimah in Arabic, signifies "every quadruped animal (of which the beasts of prey are excluded)".

 

 

But if we are to make case for Set, Satan, Baphomet and Aiwass and to tie the loose ends with Egyptian animals, the best candidate is probably the Ass and especially The Egyptian Red Ass.

 

 

In a book "Continuum Encyclopedia of Animal Symbolism in World Art" by Hope B. Werness we can read:

"The Egyptian red ass, probably linked with the God Set/Seth, was one of the most dangerous encountered by dead souls on their journey (Chevalier and Cheerbrant 51).".

 

 

Some might consider that this very animal, rather than the hippopotamus, who shares the same color, be the real world inspiration for the vision of 'scarlet beast' of the Christian Apocalypse. There also might be linguistic connection between the Arabic word for al-Himar, "the ass" and the word “red” which is “al-Ahmar”.

 

 

Even some of the early Christians were said (some say falsely or in mockery) to belong to the "cult of the god with the ass's head". The Alexamenos graffito comes to mind:

 

The image seems to show a young man worshipping a crucified, donkey-headed figure. The Greek inscription approximately translates to "Alexamenos worships [his] god,"[5] indicating that the graffito was apparently meant to mock a Christian named Alexamenos.

It may be the earliest surviving depiction of Jesus and, if so, competes with an engraved gem as the earliest known pictorial representation of the Crucifixion of Jesus

 

 

In the later Gospel tradition and in Nativity Art (that depicts the birth of Jesus) a donkey and ox are typically depicted present at the birth scene with the Arabian Magi with their Camels etc. Later in the Gospels we can read of Christ's entry into Jerusalem riding on a donkey (perhaps symbolizing his 'victory' over this chaotic element).

 

Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

In Crowley’s magic Set was associated with the Hebrew תש (sht) which, based on the Tree of Life associations, equated to the XI and XX cards of the tarot, totaling to 31

S(h)t = SET = תש = atu XX + atu XI = 31

 

 

 

You write the word “Set” as in “Seth” תש using Shin-Tav, but Crowley used the form of Shin-Teth. Because Atu XX is attributed to Shin and Atu XI is attributed to Teth and thus they could be linked, at least by Crowley, to the Greek letters Sigma-Theta.

 

 

Phonetically it does not make much difference, but there is the Biblical perspective there to consider.

 

 

Reducing the word “Set/Seth” to it’s stripped down form in the Latin alphabet (which has it’s basis in the Phoenician alphabet) might also be considered to depict the biblical Brazen Serpent.

 

Here again is perhaps another linguistical consideration, considering that the word for serpent "nahash" and bronze/copper/brazen "nehash" are similar words in Hebrew.

 

The case for (biblical) Seth has some dualism  too, if we want to equate, like Crowley, the Serpent, Set and Satan:

This serpent, SATAN, is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade ‘Know Thyself!’ and taught Initiation”

 

The word תש / Seth in Hebrew, as Son of Adam, does not signify destruction, but rather that of stability

and the restoration of order. Then again, in Egyptian mythology the relationship of Set to Osiris

is similar to Cain and Abel and Horus being the one who redeems/avenges the order, so to speak.

 

 

René Guénon in his book “Symbols of Sacred Science” also claims that the word Seth has dual meaning in Hebrew:

“In fact, the word Seth, even in Hebrew, does indeed have both contrary meaning of ‘foundation’ and ‘tumult’ or ‘ruin’’. The word is identical in the two cases but, curiously, it is masculine in the first and feminine in the second.”

 

In terms of Thelemic and Hermetic symbolism, such dual aspects of life and death are even displayed by the two serpents of Hermetic caduceus, that also reminds one of the Brazen Serpent.

 

Of course, the Serpent, also in the case of Egyptians, was sometimes considered beneficiary, like in the case of the royal serpent uraeus. But in the manifestation of Apep, whole different type of beast.

 

Similarily, the number 666 also shares dual aspects in the Hebrew tradition, even though considered by the Christians mainly as the “number of the Beast”. In Merkabah mysticism and Talmudic tradition Akatriel, Hakathriel, or Akrasiel=“Angel of the Crown”; shares the value 666 with the Solar Demon “Sorath” .

 

Guénon also speculates:

Sorath is anagram of sthur, which means ‘hidden thing’; and is this the name of mystery spoke of in the apocalypse? But if sathar means ‘to hide’, it also means ‘to protect’; and in Arabic the same word satar evokes almost solely the idea of protection, and often even of divine and providential protection.

Could we, without too much linguistic fantasy, relate this to the Greek soter, ‘saviour’?

And need we say in this respect that there may be, even must be, between the designation of Christ (Al-Masih) and of the Antichrist (Al-Masikh), a singular resemblance?”

 

 

The Dual aspect of Serpent is also a common theme in Christianity, we can even read articles released by the Vatican and even the Pope mentioning such symbolism:

 

http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/cotidie/2016/documents/papa-francesco-cotidie_20160315_the-serpent-that-kills-and-the-one-that-saves.html

“the Serpent that kills and the one that saves”

 

 

But coming to our present day, when compared to more ancient world, the serpent has retained more of it’s malefic significance, at least in Western world, similarily to the Dragon that is usually associated with Satan and both the Serpent/Dragon, at least to westerners, diabolical and malefic symbols.

 

 

We also see that in the ancient world the asses were regarded positively, for example, the so-called wild ass of ancient Mesopotamia was highly revered as means of transportation and domestication because before the arrival of horse, whereas in the beginning of Early Christian times, the donkey became to symbolize humility, recalcitrance, sexuality and foolishness. "You Ass!"

 

One such instance of "inverting the symbols" is narrated by Guénon that was called the "festival of the ass" in the Middle Ages:

"The 'festival of the ass' wherein this animal, of which the properly satanic symbolism is well known in all traditions into the very chancel of the church, where it occupied the place of honor and received the most extraordinary tokens of veneration; and also the 'festival of fools', where in the lesser clergy indulged in the worst improprieties, parodying both the ecclesiastical hierarchy and the liturgy itself. (These 'fools' moreover wore a headdress with long ears, obviously meant to evoke the idea of an ass's head, and this feature is not the least significant from our point of view)

 

 

How is it possible to explain that in such a period of things of which the most evident characteristic is incontestably parody and even sacrilege (the author of the theory to which we have alluded recognized well enough the existence of this parody and sacrilege, but, in linking them to his general conception of ‘festival’, he attempts to make them characteristic elements of the ‘sacred’ itself, which is not only a rather far-fetched paradox but, let it be said plainly, a contradiction pure and simple) were not only tolerated but in a way even given official sanction?

 

 

We will also mention the Saturnalia of the Ancient Romans, from which the modern carnival seems to have been directly derived, although it is in truth no longer anything but a very diminished vestige of it: during these festival, the slaves ordered the masters about, and the masters served the slaves. (In many different countries, festival of this same kind are encountered that would go so far as to temporarily confer on a slave or criminal the insignia of royalty, with all the power that goes with it, only to put him to death once the festival was ended.)

 

 

One then had the image of a truly ‘upside down’ world, wherein everything was done contrary to the normal order. (In this connection, the same author also speak of ‘backwards acts’ and even of a ‘return to chaos’, which contains at least a partial truth: but by an astonishing confusion of ideas, he wants to assimilate this chaos to the ‘golden age’.)

 

 

Although it is commonly claimed that these festival were a reminder of the ‘golden age’, this interpretation is manifestly false, for there is no question here of any sort of ‘equality’ that could if necessary be regarded as representing the primordial indifferentiation of social functions, insofar as is possible in present conditions. (We here reference to the conditions of the Kali-Yuga or ‘iron age’, of which the Roman period, as well as our, is a part)

 

 

It is a question of the reversal of hierarchial relationships, which is altogether different; and such a reversal constitutes in a general way one of the plainest characteristics of ‘satanism’.

 

 

The middle picture is showing the scene "Satan enthroned as the pope", from Pierre Boaistuau's Histoires prodigieuses, 1597.

 

                 "Speak no Christian words

                 Make no Christian signs"

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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27/02/2020 12:14 pm  

The key opens the Palace
to the line drawn
before the epoch where Telmun was settled;
The Star Demon and the Bene Elohim
brought fire from heaven, the wisdom of the stars
the forbidden lore, the Hierogamy,
and the working through Gastrointestinal Dreams.

“Mightier than the noise of many waters, yea, than the mighty waves of the sea.
The floods have lifted up.
Clothed with majesty
Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.”

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27/02/2020 3:37 pm  

For the record the forum is changing the order of Hebrew letters for me, I do know how to write Hebrew 🙂

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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09/04/2020 8:44 pm  

Final thoughts during this festival:

https://settetura.wordpress.com/2020/04/09/55/

 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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10/04/2020 8:49 am  

Isn't all of this basically another take on what Kenneth Grant has written on since the 1970s?

But congratulations on becoming the third solver this year! 


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10/04/2020 4:26 pm  

Good stuff. Don't take this the wrong way, I'd class this as "Esoteric Thelema", not many find Set hiding in Liber AL. Doesn't mean he isn't waiting in there for those who seek him. 🙂 

I am still figuring out Set for myself in my own way and I don't find the "Set = Bad Guy" interpretation all that interesting or relevant to me. I like to reinterpret the old myths as having relevance to our scientific understanding today, for example Set = Dark Matter? 🤨 

If your spiritual path is an "intersection" of Thelema and Set, do you agree with the attributions AC gave him? For example in 777 Set is at "Key Scale" 26 (Ayin, "The Devil"). AC probably wrote more about him, I don't know where.

Personally I find your work in "Esoteric Thelema" thought-provoking. I'm not a devotee of Set but my research into Thelema could also be called "Esoteric". I believe there may be things hidden in Liber AL that are quite unexpected and there are "pathways" that connect up to different traditions ("& that strangely").

 

If you are going to continue your search for Set in Liber AL, I have a couple of suggestions.

I don't know if you have your own solution to II:76 yet, but as a start there is ...RPSTOVAL.

You may be familiar with Achad's magical word, "MANIO". He found it in one of the beginning and ending words of Nuit's chapter: "Manifestation". I don't remember all the details but it relates to the Aeon of Maat. Seeing as he saw Maat there, we could also see Set in the centre of the word in anagram form: Manifestation (5 letters, 3, 5). Here we could reinterpret "The manifestation of Nuit", as Set, the son of Nuit. 😉 

Just a "thought-experiment", I don't know if its at all significant.

manifestation

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10/04/2020 6:04 pm  

@duck

I always thought the involvement of Set at some level was self evident. He's the disturbance and initiation that comes with any spiritual change, especially the birth of an Aeon. He's always been there in the background, heck he initiated both Osiris and Horus! 

The idea of Set as a devil comes from later sources like Plutarch, which only focus on very direct versions of the Osiris myth. When Crowley says that Aiwaz is the devil, I just think he didn't have access to the knowledge regarding Set and his benevolence. That's a bit after his time. It's not Satan or Satanism he meant, but the worship of Set as Aiwaz, a benevolent Egyptian God. 

I do have a solution for II:76, I think the simple and obvious solution is "777". 

Will have to play with the rest!

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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I do have a solution for II:76, I think the simple and obvious solution is "777"

Doh! I forgot your solution! 😣 You left it on one of my threads, I remember now. Yep, adding II:75 brings the total to 777. Its a good find. 

I have a new (hint 😉 ) find which I'll post in that thread soon.


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@duck

Can't wait!

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

 

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The solution to AL III:47 is SET, the identity of Aiwaz in the Egyptian Pantheon. 

 

I don't ascribe to Crowley's Tarot attributions where XI = Lust as Leo, so my ShT = XX+VIII = 28, not your XX+XI = 31. Just noting there is difference of opinion here depending if you like the Golden Dawn correspondences. Your "circle squared" explanation is just that it refers to the globe of the earth, correct? Your answer to "And Abrahadabra" is that the "line drawn" letter string when put into Hebrew can equal 418 = Abrahadabra in Hebrew, right? I don't see anything about "The Key of it all" in your work, is that right?

I liked you bringing in an obscure book reference, that was cool, and I did like the angle of the "line drawn" being that of the earth's ecliptic and where it was aiming at in 1904. That is likely information that will keep being restated as people keep working with this cipher.


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Posted by: @wizardiaoan

I liked you bringing in an obscure book reference, that was cool, and I did like the angle of the "line drawn" being that of the earth's ecliptic and where it was aiming at in 1904. That is likely information that will keep being restated as people keep working with this cipher.

But of course this angle only matched until the word "Beast". I think this is quite important. The overall angle just doesn't match.

It's just like saying it matches the Nile.

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@wizardiaoan

 

"I don't ascribe to Crowley's Tarot attributions where XI = Lust as Leo, so my ShT = XX+VIII = 28, not your XX+XI = 31. Just noting there is difference of opinion here depending if you like the Golden Dawn correspondences."

I'm not sure it matters here. The book was received by Crowley, this wouldn't be the only instance of Aiwaz using Crowleys personal magical training to communicate with him. And with those who would follow his lead.

 

"Your "circle squared" explanation is just that it refers to the globe of the earth, correct?"

Correct. And the importance of the fact that it is a modern usage of the symbol as earth, instead of the old aeon symbol of the sun. 

 

"And Abrahadabra" is that the "line drawn" letter string when put into Hebrew can equal 418 = Abrahadabra in Hebrew, right?"

That plus the fact that within that specific equation to get 418 we also find Set. 

 

"I don't see anything about "The Key of it all" in your work, is that right?"

The key to is all is that Aiwaz is an ancient, established,  objectively existent entity, and AL a true holy book. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

The key to is all is that Aiwaz is an ancient, established,  objectively existent entity, and AL a true holy book. 

You might reconsider your usage of "established", "objectively existent" and "true holy", just saying. Really, get yourself together. Or do you have any news?

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Posted by: @wizardiaoan

I liked you bringing in an obscure book reference, that was cool, and I did like the angle of the "line drawn" being that of the earth's ecliptic and where it was aiming at in 1904. That is likely information that will keep being restated as people keep working with this cipher.

But of course this angle only matched until the word "Beast". I think this is quite important. The overall angle just doesn't match.

It's just like saying it matches the Nile.

Love=Law

Lutz

I got out the protractor and get about a 27-30º angle, so yeah I don't think it can be correlated to the earth's ecliptic. Perhaps you can further depict this?


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Posted by: @wizardiaoan

Perhaps you can further depict this?

Didn't I read it in YOUR latest revelation that the angle just matches until Beast? Maybe I got confused, so many interesting new solutions. But no, I can not further depict this. Sorry.

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Hm, Set appears again in a chapter 1 riddle solution, which the new comment directly associates with his realm.

 

6/50=0.12
0.12+6+50=56.12
56.12(6×50)=56.12×300=16836.00
1+6+8+3+6=24=6

SET
18+5+19=
1+8+5+1+9=24=6

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The N of Nu is therefore the Dragon -- "Infinite Space" -- and V is "the Infinite Stars" thereof. The ITH is the honorific termination representing Her fulfilment of Creative Force. "I" being the Inmost Force, and "Th" its Extension. The Dragon in current symbolism refers to the North or Hollow of Heaven; thus to the Womb of Space, which is the container and breeder of all that exists.

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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Posted by: @azrael2393

congratulations on becoming the third solver this year! 

Fourth solver this month. I guess I'll have to dig out my solution. I don't want to miss the rush to glory. Every man and every woman is a solver, a solver star. The problem is that my salutation does not point to me, or to my name, no matter how much I bend the QBL. So I am disqualified from the beginning. Thus, there will be no digging (out).

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so many interesting new solutions.

Spring 2020 e.v.  The season of plague, plagiarism, and platonic platitudes of promising problem-solving.

 


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Posted by: @shiva

Fourth solver this month.

"April is the cruelest month, breeding lilacs out of the dead land, mixing memory and desire, stirring dull roots with spring rain."

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Really, get yourself together.

I believe that is the entire point of his qabalistic personal-mythologizing.


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11/04/2020 2:44 am  
Posted by: @djedi

 

I believe that is the entire point of his qabalistic personal-mythologizing.

Is that good? Always appreciated outside views,  introspection is limited. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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11/04/2020 7:39 am  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan
 

I liked you bringing in an obscure book reference, that was cool

 

 

I don't find any obscure book references by Set-Tetu-Ra posted by him in this thread, if you are not referring to the picture of elliptic and axial tilt that seems to be lifted off from some book.

 

Earlier this thread, I brought up the obscure book The computation of 666: And its relation to antichristian systems, but having reference to a person, the coming Antichrist, who is to be overthrown by the Sun of Righteousness, but I also mentioned in my post: the degrees do not add up.

 

Posted by: @wizardiaoan
 

I did like the angle of the "line drawn" being that of the earth's ecliptic and where it was aiming at in 1904. That is likely information that will keep being restated as people keep working with this cipher.

 

I do not think this was Set-Tetu-Ra's own discovery. It was HGA of a Duck who stated in another thread about the degrees:

 

Posted by: @duck
 

"If you measure it from the top of the line to "Beast" its pretty close, about 23.2 deg (the real figure is 23.4). If you measure the whole line its a bit off, about 25 deg.

 

From wikipedia "Earth's obliquity oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees[2] on a 41,000-year cycle; Earth's mean obliquity is currently 23°26′12.0″ (or 23.43667°) and decreasing"."

 

But the original poster, who even brought this whole obliquity and pole star subject up, was nobody here on lashtal.com, but a poster on Reddit who was later banned and removed from /r/Thelema.

 

This is the original thread from google's web cache from Reddit:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nly9vBOqtHMJ:https://i.reddit.com/r/thelema/comments/f9qvmz/wubba_lubba_dub_dub/+&cd=2&hl=fi&ct=clnk&gl=fi

 

And here is the picture that the Reddit poster posted on that thread:

line drawn

 

Apart from that picture, the Reddit poster also claimed the reins that Babalon is holding in the Thoth Tarot's XI Lust picture should be a fit for the "line drawn". 

lust

(I tried to fit the line with the reins, but in my opinion, it seems way off too.)

 

 

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11/04/2020 9:01 am  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

The key to is all is that Aiwaz is an ancient, established,  objectively existent entity, and AL a true holy book. 

So your only concern is to prove some sort of pre-existing tradition that Thelema is the heir to, in order to make sure you - and us - are not deluded? 

That's as far from what I consider being able to work with Magick as it gets, and the famous exhortation in Liber O - if we have to keep parroting Crowley - comes to mind immediately.


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Posted by: @duck
 

"If you measure it from the top of the line to "Beast" its pretty close, about 23.2 deg (the real figure is 23.4). If you measure the whole line its a bit off, about 25 deg.

 

From wikipedia "Earth's obliquity oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees[2] on a 41,000-year cycle; Earth's mean obliquity is currently 23°26′12.0″ (or 23.43667°) and decreasing"."

 

But the original poster, who even brought this whole obliquity and pole star subject up, was nobody here on lashtal.com, but a poster on Reddit who was later banned and removed from /r/Thelema.

 

This is the original thread from google's web cache from Reddit:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nly9vBOqtHMJ:https://i.reddit.com/r/thelema/comments/f9qvmz/wubba_lubba_dub_dub/+&cd=2&hl=fi&ct=clnk&gl=fi

 

And here is the picture that the Reddit poster posted on that thread:

line drawn

 

Apart from that picture, the Reddit poster also claimed the reins that Babalon is holding in the Thoth Tarot's XI Lust picture should be a fit for the "line drawn". 

lust

(I tried to fit the line with the reins, but in my opinion, it seems way off too.)

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Posted by: @wizardiaoan

Perhaps you can further depict this?

Didn't I read it in YOUR latest revelation that the angle just matches until Beast? Maybe I got confused, so many interesting new solutions. But no, I can not further depict this. Sorry.

Love=Law

Lutz

 

Note 2:

 

 

The original Reddit poster did not use the whole line in some of the deleted threads and pictures he posted. Likewise duck observed:

"If you measure it from the top of the line to "Beast" its pretty close, about 23.2 deg (the real figure is 23.4).

 

Here is the upper part of the line drawn measured at 23.4 - 23.5 degrees (it varies from the point which you consider the most "straight")

 

For demonstration, the upper part measured at 23.5 degrees:

line drawn upper

 

The (banned) poster on Reddit also posted several other pictures equating the line with reins Babalon is holding in ATU XI.

He did not use the whole line, but when the line starts to get not-so-straight:

 

 

The lower part of the line drawn is at about 29 degrees, likewise the reins degrees in the Atu XI end up somewhere around 29.

 

The lower part of the line drawn:

29 degrees

 

The lower part and Reins of Babalon degrees:

babalon degrees

 

Again, it is not a perfect fit, but keeping in mind, the line drawn is hardly a straight line, especially after it starts to "bend" after and around the ~23.5 degrees.

 

None of the above mentioned stuff is "my own" research, nor am I making any claims, but I've been interested in the Thelemic art of Kauko Allén who also equates the line drawn with the Pole Star & The Southern Cross (Kauko also claims that he has solved the line drawn mystery through his paintings), so there is some interesting synchronity going on.

 

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The figures fixed to the S.C. and Pole Star appear like pendulums with significations perhaps connecting their motion to the seasons. There's more going on of course, this just stood out this time.


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Posted by: @xon

The figures fixed to the S.C. and Pole Star appear like pendulums with significations perhaps connecting their motion to the seasons. There's more going on of course, this just stood out this time.

 

That has been my initial "gut" hunch for a long time when it comes to the line drawn is a key and especially the relationship that it may have with the Key of 31 and Babalon/IT in connection how the concept of IT is described by Crowley in his Book of Lies in the chapters 31 to 49.

31 and 49

 

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11/04/2020 2:24 pm  
Posted by: @behemoth

I do not think this was Set-Tetu-Ra's own discovery. It was HGA of a Duck who stated in another thread about the degrees:

I remember now. Set asked if someone could measure the angle so I had a quick go using GIMP.

I also mentioned there's always going to be some subjectivity involved in this measurement as the page is an irregular shape. For an example you could use one of the lines of the grid to get the vertical "axis" of the page so you get the zero degrees point to take the measurement from.

I played around with this just now using the vertical line of the grid that passes through the "circle squared" and got about 26 degrees from end to end and 24.8 degrees from the top to "a key...".

I don't know how much accuracy people are going to want to convince them that this is evidence of "intelligence".


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11/04/2020 5:48 pm  
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Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

The key to is all is that Aiwaz is an ancient, established,  objectively existent entity, and AL a true holy book. 

So your only concern is to prove some sort of pre-existing tradition that Thelema is the heir to, in order to make sure you - and us - are not deluded? 

That's as far from what I consider being able to work with Magick as it gets, and the famous exhortation in Liber O - if we have to keep parroting Crowley - comes to mind immediately.

It's hardly my only concern. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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11/04/2020 5:50 pm  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

Hm, Set appears again in a chapter 1 riddle solution, which the new comment directly associates with his realm.

 

6/50=0.12
0.12+6+50=56.12
56.12(6×50)=56.12×300=16836.00
1+6+8+3+6=24=6

SET
18+5+19=
1+8+5+1+9=24=6

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6+50=56=Nu
The N of Nu is therefore the Dragon -- "Infinite Space" -- and V is "the Infinite Stars" thereof. The ITH is the honorific termination representing Her fulfilment of Creative Force. "I" being the Inmost Force, and "Th" its Extension. The Dragon in current symbolism refers to the North or Hollow of Heaven; thus to the Womb of Space, which is the container and breeder of all that exists.

Set is also 3 letters which = 24

72(the name of God) ÷ 3(letters in Set) = 24, Set, the name of God Divided. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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11/04/2020 5:53 pm  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

It's hardly my only concern. 

It doesn't seem like that. Anything else of value then?


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11/04/2020 5:58 pm  
Posted by: @azrael2393
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

It's hardly my only concern. 

It doesn't seem like that. Anything else of value then?

Nah I personally come for the open discussions and rabbit holes, not the hostile accusatory debating the days. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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12/04/2020 1:18 am  

Just for fun 

another option is to ‘paste the pages from left to right, from top to bottom’ to lazily paraphrase from memory

2B36A0D6 13FA 4CE5 8999 9B2F1DA6D4C2

 


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Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

I always thought the involvement of Set at some level was self evident

I guess it all depends on how much knowledge of Egyptian deities one has before reading Liber AL. I had almost none when I first read it years ago as a dumb youngster. Since then I've developed some more understanding on these but poor old Set was always at the back of the queue of gods for me to research. 😊 Only recently have I started to understand what significance he might have.

What I mean by your research as being "Esoteric Thelema" is that Set isn't explicitly mentioned in Liber AL but this would make sense as he has the quality of being "hidden" in some way. This doesn't mean that he isn't "hiding" in there and you seem to have found him.

You may well be onto something with this: Maat isn't explicitly mentioned in the book either yet Achad developed the whole "Aeon of Maat" idea. Maybe you'll do the same for the "Aeon of Set". 😜 


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12/04/2020 2:02 am  

@duck

While there's no denying I'm now looking for Set in AL, I originally stumbled upon it. But its easy to find once seen. For instance this can clearly describe the imperishable stars as separate from the zodiac:

I,21: With the God & the Adorer I am nothing: they do not see me. They are as upon the earth; I am Heaven, and there is no other God than me, and my lord Hadit.

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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12/04/2020 2:03 am  

Set may also be best contender for the grade of the Hermit, with his isolation in oases. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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12/04/2020 2:18 am  

Another example is the prophecy of the child from the bowels. It brings to mind Set ripping his way out of his mother's stomach fully formed,  as opposed to a natural development and birth. He's also not of the East or West,  and not from any expected house (likely the expected house would be Osirian).

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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12/04/2020 3:17 am  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

open discussions and rabbit holes

I just went down one of these rabbit holes and found this little nugget of info relevant to the "line drawn":

"The line was apparently written from the bottom up!"

 

This could give a new perspective on this.


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12/04/2020 7:05 am  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

Another example is the prophecy of the child from the bowels. It brings to mind Set ripping his way out of his mother's stomach fully formed,  as opposed to a natural development and birth. 

 

Not trying to correct you here, I have maintained that everyone has the right to interpret Liber Al as they want, but the expression: "The child of thy bowels" owes much to Crowley's upbringing with the King James Bible and most likely in the context of Liber AL, the expression the child of thy bowels refers to the magical (magicole?) heir of the beast. This is one of the examples of Crowley using bible-speak in my opinion.

 

An example from the King James Bible that uses the child of thy bowels -expression:

 Genesis 15:4 King James Bible

And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

 

 

Behold now Behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


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12/04/2020 2:08 pm  
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93,

The thread is appreciated!

Personally it has revived some of old explorations into the mysteries of "this line drawn is a key".... that I had in a way filed away, forgotten, an thought was a bit out there... 

Of course pictures sometimes speak 'louder than words' and the photo I took hopefully speaks to how I was drawn to the drawing of the 'Uas Scepter' as found on the Stele of Revealing in connection with this angle, an angle that I referenced as part of ongoing explorations documented in correspondence with Kenneth Grant.

Now as regards this "Uas' or 'Was" like branch pictured here, born of happenstance placement of the first stick I could find, to mark off the driveway this "Mud Season" here in Vermont, there are a number of factors of significance. First my later noticing after it was placed of the particular shape of the stick, which by it biology unfoldment was now reversed, was interesting as I looked out on it from afar. This prompted a picture to which I then noted that when viewed facing no rth, as the picture is arranged, became a natural sundial. North of course is the direction that marks the axis by which a sundial works and to which the pole of stars does of course speak of stelar hours winding in the backdrop of eternities...

Now this picture was taken at what is approximately 11 o'clock on what was the 21st of March, thus the Equinox! How fortuitous... I suppose now I should have pointed the head of the scepter, pointing west rather, than east as in the picture, and to which the shadow cast would be reversed, but I think that the idea might well resonate with others as I contribute to the feast of these threads that weave to make a table cloth for.

For I might further note that the angle of the offering arm of 'O Ankh-af-na-Khonsu' is also portrayed upon a similar angle of significance which is an further analogue resonating upon this angle, that I suppose could become an obsessional sort of fascination, but certainly the fine paintings of Kauko Allen confirm that occultic arts and sciences do like to play with leap years and resurrection through primal totems...

Of course the Scepter in the Stele is held aloft, not grounded, by a the God who is 'Seated' to which I will leave off all here all the relevance to the Seat or Throne, but, or is it butt, one must note that the "Priest" is grounded, being terrestrial, and the single arm, palm up, is a gesture that is also suggestive of being receptive to what is being offered, as this speaks too, for in a sense, or out side of sense and reason, we have the story of a "hand off" which is what "The Equinox Of The Gods" is about...marking a new calendar, no longer era vulgaris...

So Happy Easter, burn the cross, for the hares are a hopping, with ears at an angle, ducks are quacking, eggs are laid, the Hawk's done feasted on eyeballs, and the "Uas Toy" tm is in your, Thine, hand~

Well at least offered!

93

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12/04/2020 2:26 pm  

Much is explained: @hadgigegenraum is a Vermonter.

Some may not be familiar with that New England state's very Thelemic unofficial motto: I'm a Vermonter, i'll do what i wanner. [this rhymes, because the "T" in "Vermonter" is silent in the local dialect, so it is pronounced "Ver-mawn-er"]

For those not familiar with Vermont, "mud season" occupies the months after it stops snowing every single day in mid-March; the months when "spring" takes place in less vigorous climates.  Snow is more or less over for the year in late April. The state is primarily populated by rednecks and hippies, who have interbred heavily. People born elsewhere are called "flatlanders", and are viewed with suspicion.


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12/04/2020 2:51 pm  

That's a really good point. Set is right there on the Stele since the beginning. He's basically dead center. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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12/04/2020 5:33 pm  
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Approximate figures shown (it gets a bit subjective). They're quite a bit different to "the line drawn" but may have some other significance.


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12/04/2020 6:13 pm  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Uas Scepter

Why didn't I notice this before: Ai-was!


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12/04/2020 8:10 pm  

@duck

"I the Was"? 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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12/04/2020 8:11 pm  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

@duck

"I the Was"? 

Technically if Crowley heard it and tried to write it, Aiwass and I-Was could be identical.

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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12/04/2020 8:23 pm  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

Set is right there on the Stele since the beginning. He's basically dead center. 

Dead centre in the Stele would be the tabletop of the table of offerings.  There's no Set-like animal represented in the images, although the offerings there do contain cattle and a goose (or duck, if you prefer)

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not many find Set hiding in Liber AL. Doesn't mean he isn't waiting in there for those who seek him. 🙂 ...  Set isn't explicitly mentioned in Liber AL

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@duck

While there's no denying I'm now looking for Set in AL, I originally stumbled upon it. But its easy to find once seen.

How about, "Set up my image in the East..." (III:21) with "up" as a vocative command made by RHK to Set with reference to his "image"?

Al Khemically yours

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12/04/2020 8:28 pm  
Posted by: @jamiejbarter
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

Set is right there on the Stele since the beginning. He's basically dead center. 

Dead centre in the Stele would be the tabletop of the table of offerings.  There's no Set-like animal represented in the images, although the offerings there do contain cattle and a goose (or duck, if you prefer)

 

Um... the Was Scepter... 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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13/04/2020 12:05 am  

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93

Thanks for the quack well the diagram was fine though... well I don't often get the opportunity to utilize relevant quotes, but some times, well here we go~

-Enough of Because!-

---Now there is a nice infinite pool of numbers to waddle over and keep swimming, but it seems like you know how to swim in numbers, but the pond has many dangers, if by the film that separates on sphere to another the guy wearing the hawk headed mask does like ducks, that is why they are offered, but I saw a pair swimming in a back pasture field, a touching sight for there was a beautiful mallard so bright, and then the mate paddling behind a brown and white, ready to brood we hope or that this was a nest of love or way lay to some other lair but a visit in weeks might be so precious that nature might bring a gaggle of paddlers.

So all to say you want to watch out for the Tuart, yes the Hippos and Typhons, but I actually swim, so good things ducks can fly, I am not looking to clip wings, so respect imagination, lest ye sink, anyways the wand the guy wearing the hawks, head or is it a hawk wearing a man's body, well I think that baby swims, and can stiffen up and held in the hand as an electric eel, capable of spark and stunning, 'like yo muthafucka' purple arcs into the mauve that could later be but a wood replica of the living, and thus a certain hell as we try to grasp that we once knew...now all sorts of flails and crooks and what have you trying to make up the difference in potency characteristics, to which the hawk headed could only grasp for the differences in potential is so manifest, that I will shut up before yapping about numbers...

Now myth has it though that in the totemic lore of ducks and I am making this up, but maybe not, well there is this notion about the Holy Guardian Angel and a Duck but maybe because a duck was stunned by a Was and lived to tell the tale, and it was a fable for tails do help with landing and with flying, and why, well we can make anything up, but it is much more fun to just follow the trail, bread crumbs... Coph Nia...

Well keep pasting the sheets, duck vision is very interesting...

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13/04/2020 1:15 am  

Oh man, Set is a simple solution for I:46.

I,46: ... I call it eight, eighty, four hundred & eighteen.
8 80 418

56(Nuit) "divide, add, multiply"
56÷8=7
7+80=87
87×418=36366
3+6+3+6+6=24

SET = 1+8+5+1+9=24

Also of course 666 and 33 are both present. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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