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08/03/2020 5:15 pm  
Posted by: @newneubergouch2

I have wangled an ‘uncorrected proof’ of RTCs upcoming book

Wrangler. Special privileges. Insider trading. Burn the (s)witch!

Puzzling wonderment note: What with all the printing time, and delivery time down the Silk Road by camel train, passing through the German Secret Chiefs' Customs and Authorization and Authority Process (G-SCAAP), slippin' in under the radar of the British Secret Service and Christian Censorship Committee, and finally disinfection against the Coughonavirus, it seems like your notes to the author might post-date the imprint of ink on paper.

We know, of course, that you are sworn to secrecy, so we'll just have to move directly to torture and tickling if we want to be first third or fourth in line to get our hands on the neutron bomb of Thelemic endeavor.


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08/03/2020 5:42 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

We know, of course, that you are sworn to secrecy, so we'll just have to move directly to torture and tickling if we want to be first third or fourth in line to get our hands on the neutron bomb of Thelemic endeavor.

By the time we get our mitts on the Horus Toy, the contacts will be all worn down and the PCBs corroded. Maybe our proof-reader can prove to us its efficacy before any diminishing returns, though...

What are some sufficiently biblical miracles we could ask for? Make the red sea turn blue? 


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09/03/2020 12:13 am  

I've had the book for weeks. I was and am very appreciative of the author sharing an advance copy with me. It's March 8 so the countdown continues. I am hoping to compose a decent review before the drop date. I am presently zip-lipped out of respect for the author and what he has declared to be his timing. I will say this: if certain Lashtalians can set aside the tendency to mock and disdain, an engaged and civil discourse may be extremely interesting here. Personally? I really enjoyed this book and I hope to convey WHY in my review. I suspect its wider release is going to keep this thread at number one all through April.    


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09/03/2020 12:22 am  

I will also respectfully ask that the webmaster remove this thread from "For Sale and Wanted" and restore it to a more relevant place within the website. Of course, RTC is going to open his booklet up for sale. But this is not the point of our ongoing dialogue. RTC's research enters what Shiva calls the "Octagon." It is relevant material with regards to the central document of the religion established by one Aleister Crowley. As I stated above, I suspect this thread may dominate our forthcoming month of April.

I will be very interested in how certain "frequent flyers" here respond to the content of eLGMOR.

 


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09/03/2020 1:02 am  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I will say this: if certain Lashtalians can set aside the tendency to mock and disdain,

But I thought that was what Richard himself did/does?  (In fact sometimes it's one of the things I most like about his writing!)

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

RTC's research enters what Shiva calls the "Octagon."

Or, depending on numbers, occasionally the "Nonagon". ("Pentagon", anybody?) But what would you call it though?  (In view of the previous remark, perhaps a bear pit!?)

N .Joy


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09/03/2020 1:20 am  

Jamie-

I did not say "Lashtalians other than RTC who mock and disdain." Shiva wrote something a while back about how my "complaint over name-calling and such" was something I needed to just "suck up" according to Thelema or AL. I really can't be bothered to go back and drudge it up. But his point (witty as it may have been) was mis-pointed.  An investigation into Liber AL isn't a dick-wagging contest. Not does it need to be a "center of pestilence." The most clever insults don't necessarily imply the most correct point of view. 

Bear pit? I've recently been enjoying the Walking Dead comics. A zombie pit? 

Perhaps, an Abyss?

Lashtal fisticuffs in the ring have always been a sort of entertainment. I've certainly participated myself in bygone years. But (again) clever insults don't necessarily imply the most correct point of view. 

  


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09/03/2020 1:21 am  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I will say this: if certain Lashtalians can set aside the tendency to mock and disdain, an engaged and civil discourse may be extremely interesting here.

In my neck of the woods, a mocking and disdainful air is something you adopt just for people whose company you enjoy. Politeness is reserved only for complete strangers and people you wish were complete strangers.

I understand they breed men more sensitive on the scepter'd isle, but I should hope we who are invested in the subject matter of The Aleister Crowley Society can be a little stiffer than the common folk.


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09/03/2020 2:01 am  

Cheers, djedi-

The issue at hand isn't so much how we handle insult but rather the solution to the riddle or cipher-and what such a solution may imply. 


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09/03/2020 2:14 am  
Posted by: @newneubergouch2

As to putting it back on track i have frequently referred to this thread and the 1904 thread with posts by paul lashtal and faustian as giving hints to the possible solution.

along with RTC in this thread (whichever way he may rub you) - has also offered via pm to give hints towards the solution - which i took him up on.

 

also i keep going back to the Cairo Map, the line and circle squared page (and the Stele) as starting points).

 

rtc has recently let loose which letters and numbers he is using as to the cipher.

 

i think there is more than enough instructions and hints to set us to work (without any brooding or noodling)

E2C315EE C336 46EE B235 BAB6539423D8
3B8CC3A5 13AA 4E54 8CD0 1A3A71B59DB6

 

As respect to the author i will not discuss the contents of a early version book.

 

but above is enough to go on. It is a fun treasure hunt.


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09/03/2020 2:20 am  

@newneubergouch2

Any clues as to what scale the grid page should be in relation to the map?

 


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09/03/2020 5:05 am  

Well we will probably never know what actual Cairo map (if any) Crowley used. But probably yes.

We have a general idea of when the grid was drawn on the page of Liber A/L. So maybe a map from then, but probably earlier.

 

but for our purposes the map above in my post is probably close enough. For lack of any other Cairo map.

 

(i would like to see an Italian map circa Cefalu times myself).

 

so generally there is a grid on the Liber A/L map and a grid on the cairo map. Get fairly close and play.

Or

The Liber A/L page is maybe a quarter or just over a quarter size of the larger cairo map.

 

you can just try mapping the line and the O X to different points and see what fits. I also tried a google maps of Boleskine to see if i could deduce anything.

 

enjoy.

 

We have a line and OX


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09/03/2020 12:06 pm  

ok ok
I just ordered it.
Hope i don’t have to hire someone on the black market to create a firm ware update for the planned obsolescence .


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The HGA of a Duck
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09/03/2020 4:40 pm  
Posted by: @newneubergouch2

so generally there is a grid on the Liber A/L map and a grid on the cairo map. Get fairly close and play.

Or

The Liber A/L page is maybe a quarter or just over a quarter size of the larger cairo map.

Thanks. Here's the "grid and line only" version of the page from a recent thread (full size):

p60 grid line

 

A scaled down transparent version in white (which should make it show up better):

transparent

(It shows up when you click on it).


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09/03/2020 7:15 pm  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I've had the book for weeks

Special privileges. Leaky marketing plan. Insider trading. Stone the bitch!

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

if certain Lashtalians can set aside the tendency to mock and disdain, an engaged and civil discourse may be extremely interesting here.

The mockery and disdainment has NOTHING to do with RTC's material ... because we, the outsiders, the dogs of reason, have been denied the material.

The mockerisms and disdainality are aimed at the outrageously kranky marketing hype, and perhaps at the condescending superiority exhibited by said authority towards people who "don't get it." It's so simple, after all, and the ego-centric position of (almost) everyoneis keeping them bound in darkness and illusion.

Anybody who takes this sort of carnival-barking is going to get stones and shinola thrown at them.

Now, for our eternal salvation, whenever said eso-text hits the news-stands, and everyone has access to the truth of the matter, the multilogue may well change into a scientific discussion ... before the awarding of honors (honours) or the crucifixion by fire and flail.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

But this is not the point of our ongoing dialogue.

This is the ONLY point of the ongoing dialog. Anytime the author either publishes or reveals his hidden marketing toy, the results can be upgraded, prefereably in a clean, new thread. Right now, in this thread, and under the present circumstances, it is definitely a "For Sale ... soon" item.

As an inside trader, your respectful attempt to spin the nature of our present reality is suspect.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

RTC's research enters what Shiva calls the "Octagon." It is relevant material with regards to the central document of the religion

Good. Let's see it. We were taught at our initiations to be cautious. I will letter it with you. I agree - begin P-U-B-L-I-S-H O-R -Q-U-I-T H-I-N-T-I-N-G. The word of restriction is hinting. Allusion, promises, and future tenses are synonyms.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I will be very interested in how certain "frequent flyers" here respond to the content of eLGMOR.

The first responders are waiting for the call to respond. Discussion of something not available cannot take place until availability is provided.

You are an inside trader (an illegal and prosecutable offense). You are playing John the Baptist for RTC. You may be added to the list of Saints in the Gnostic Mass, and I hope you don't lose your head in the process.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Or, depending on numbers, occasionally the "Nonagon". ("Pentagon", anybody?)

Geburah. Pentagon.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

"suck up"

I did not, nor do not, use this term. It is post-Shiva's-lingo-training-time, probably some Boomer cliche. Nobody is advised to go sucking on anything. I move that the defendant be forced to Publish or Reveal.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

An investigation into Liber AL isn't a dick-wagging contest.

But the author, by his condescension, has promoted such a contest.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

The most clever insults don't necessarily imply the most correct point of view. 

Bear pit? I've recently been enjoying

There is only one correct point of view. I though we were all sovereign individuals.. You are jeopardizing you position as an extremely intelligent poster by trying to exert a "voice of reason," or by acting as a mediator in this action.

I will continue to exert my wit, according to the Holy guidelines, until the defendant coughs up the evidence. And Ignant hasn't even weighed in on this round yet.

You are an illegal inside trader. How can your moderation be trusted (at this point).

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

ashtal fisticuffs in the ring have always been a sort of entertainment.

It goes back to the Coloseum (actally much earlier, but Rome is such a waymarker in our historical lineage. It continues today in soccer, football, octagons, all around the world. Humanity is addicted to vicarious warfare.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

The issue at hand isn't so much how we handle insult but rather the solution to the riddle

The issue at hand is postponed 'til April One (possibly postponed). As an inside trader, your opinion is biased. we have no evidence. At our initiation were were taught to be reliant upon ourselves, not some outside insider's endorsement. I utter the unutteable word: PUOSU.

(Put up Or Shut U...}

Posted by: @tiger

ok ok
I just ordered it.

You just ordered what? Complete sentences, in context with something, are the best form of communication.

 

 

 


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09/03/2020 9:11 pm  

93!

I also have the book for weeks. And while I won't spoil anything, there is one thing missing, that has been promised: Undoubtable proof. In the sense of UNDOUBTABLE! When you get into the RTC flow, it works. If not, it doesn't. Let's just say this: Crowley's boat won't sink because of it.

Love=Law

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09/03/2020 9:49 pm  

As expected.


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09/03/2020 9:59 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

As expected.

As expected - based on the prophecy of who? whom? what? If we have a name, we can summon three magi to cement/initiate the deal. Praeters are not acceptable as candidate prophets (prophcans or p.'.).


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09/03/2020 10:02 pm  

By me.


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09/03/2020 11:52 pm  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I've had the book for weeks. I was and am very appreciative of the author sharing an advance copy with me.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

I also have the book for weeks.

I've had an advance copy of the book for weeks as well too.  Oh, for absolutely weeks and weeks!  I wonder, who Richard sent it to first - who has the ur-version, as it were, or the latest version containing the most recent modifications and corrections.

In fact does anybody not have it already?  I thought the countdown had gone quiet...

(Wondering whether it might be inappropriate and/or juvenile for one to sign off with a nyer-nyer-nyer under the circumstances),

Shit-stirringly yours,

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10/03/2020 1:22 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

By me.

JOB OPPORTUNITY

Wanted: Three Zoroastrian Magi, able to travel by camel train, Hi stress environment (Jihadists), multi-tasking functions required (separating the planes). You must have USA Visa approval, and be prepared to visit New York (State). Hi pay rate, including 401k and health insurance. Submit Your Curriculum Vitae Magae to this thread. Lots of travel, depending upon your locale, but the trick itself will only require one hour of worship and coronation. This Engagement is dependent upon The Revelations of Saint April the First.

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In fact does anybody not have it already?

I don't. Because some authors are wary of Sannyasin, who smoke dope, chant mantras, do not wash or shave, and are prone to uttering wild, incoherent aphorisms.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

When you get into the RTC flow, it works. If not, it doesn't.

As I understand it, RTC's flow is based upon the fact (proof required) that AC consciously pre-arranged, arranged, or post-deranged arranged one or more aspects, or all, of the Cairo Working. He is thought to have had a mind fart stoppage wherein he he glimpsed some big deal, but didn't comprehend it and so he grabbed the biggest concepts of his time (Equinox, Grand Equinox, Praeters, Secret Chiefs, Sex Magic, etc) and built a temple out of lies. See: The Book of Lies.

I'm just guessing, and thinking out loud, but if this (above) is the fuel that is burning in RTC's fuel-injection sysem flow, then there is no help for anyone. Unless, of course, there is proof that is not simply another bust over circumstantial evidence.

This is just a surmissal, for I've seen no book and observed no evidence. My apologies and harkiri if I have confused the plains or misunderstood the flow of Chi, Ki, Qi, Ji.


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10/03/2020 2:13 am  

@Shiva
“You just ordered what?”

i done it. i done ordered the book. i’m supposed to Get it someday or so my mind conceives that i haven’t Gotten it yet but you never know. When the toy arrives April 1st; there maybe no trying to get it and the mind will actually conceive what it can’t. Anyway i thought getting the book might give me some insight as to what this thread is all about; and see what RTC’s see’s in what his endocrine is cookin.


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10/03/2020 2:44 am  
Posted by: @tiger

i thought getting the book might give me some insight as to what this thread is all about; and see what RTC’s see’s in what his endocrine is cookin.

Impeccable logic. A bold thrust into independent research based on hard evidence, so you can make your own mind down up.

 


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10/03/2020 8:25 am  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I will also respectfully ask that the webmaster remove this thread from "For Sale and Wanted" and restore it to a more relevant place within the website.

Done - moved to 'Thelema'.

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10/03/2020 2:59 pm  

Rather terrible that the fool's book has been selectively available....

But no joke, while 'vel Bogus' has some merit and worthy challenge, the little pamphlet "Inauguration of Aleister Crowley's New Aeon of Horus" is a loss of a few dollars not worth even trying to find probably buried amongst mail recycling....It is curious to note, from what I read, that it seems Cole's obsession with AC is inherited from his parents who made the introduction to the Beast. It  could well be analyzed that all of his behavior and distortion of the creative process is a  demonstration of his Oedipal Complex....So Perhaps he is looking for the wrong Thebes!


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10/03/2020 3:17 pm  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Rather terrible that the fool's book has been selectively available....

Oh, pre-publication proofreading copies and gifts are often given out early by one school of publishing thought. The other school says nothing, except "now available." In this case, the whole deal is blown out of proportion by excessive hype and major (pending) claims.

 


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10/03/2020 3:51 pm  

A mere 21 days separate us all, insiders and cowan hoi polloi alike, from knowing The Truth According To Cole.

I do look forward to his efforts to explain how Aiwass was able to encrypt the latitude and longitude of the Stele, expressed as GPS/WGS-84 6-decimal-place coordinates, into AL.

The WGS-84 system was, as its name suggests, released in 1984; it provides resolution to +/- 1 meter, or 1/100,000 of a degree.

No navigational instrument in the first decade of the 20th century was capable of resolution beyond seconds of latitude/longitude (1/360 of a degree). A second of longitude is approximately 31 meters; the distance of a second of latitude varies by longitude (since the earth is spherical, and thus imaginary lines "around" it are smaller closer to the poles, and larger closer to the Equator). At Cairo, a second of latitude is also about 31 meters.

Thus, according to Cole, Aiwass was able to encrypt into AL the latitude and longitude of the Stele at a resolution 31 times (!) higher than was possible in the first decade of the 20th century.

Further according to Cole, this proves AC faked the whole thing.

Hmmm.


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14/03/2020 10:48 pm  

@the_real_simon_iff – “When you get into the RTC flow, it works. If not, it doesn't.

- A delightfully revealing paraphrase... almost a stele.  So, not unlike literary origami, then? 😉    

 

@ignant666 – “RTC may not reproduce any posting by me, or any portion of any posting

- As of 1:13pm, on 18 February, the publication in question incorporated nothing of your presence.  In response to your posts of 1:14pm on 18 February and 12:46pm on 20 February, I have included a brief quote (21 words) emanating from yourself as the final item, on the last page, in a supplemental appendix titled Notes.  Also in response to your posts, I note the following – Whatever other adjustments are made prior to its publication on 01 April, your incidental contribution is fixed in stone.  Voice a single word of objection and I shall immediately withdraw the book, period...  So, do you want this material available for all, or none? 💣 

 


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14/03/2020 10:58 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

@the_real_simon_iff – “When you get into the RTC flow, it works. If not, it doesn't.

One may observe the same with Crowley's On The Reception Of The Book Of The Law.


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14/03/2020 11:10 pm  
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@the_real_simon_iff – “When you get into the RTC flow, it works. If not, it doesn't.

- A delightfully revealing paraphrase... almost a stele.  So, not unlike literary origami, then? 😉    

 

@ignant666 – “RTC may not reproduce any posting by me, or any portion of any posting

- As of 1:13pm, on 18 February, the publication in question incorporated nothing of your presence.  In response to your posts of 1:14pm on 18 February and 12:46pm on 20 February, I have included a brief quote (21 words) emanating from yourself as the final item, on the last page, in a supplemental appendix titled Notes.  Also in response to your posts, I note the following – Whatever other adjustments are made prior to its publication on 01 April, your incidental contribution is fixed in stone.  Voice a single word of objection and I shall immediately withdraw the book, period...  So, do you want this material available for all, or none? 💣 

 

Richard, I think that ignant666's remarks on this site are the copyright of Lashtal.com....As concerns your said book's availability, obviously it is not an all or none affair as you have already chosen to make it available to a few select parties thus far, which is rather unfortunate as is seemed to stop the Easter Egg hunt...

 


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14/03/2020 11:20 pm  

What a complete [expletive] you are, @therealrtc ! You really do take not just the cake but the whole bakery.

Publish away (after arranging with Paul to quote any copyright site material, of course)- i would not want to be the one to deprive the world of the glories of your book.

And to think it was me who defended you against all those nasty rumors about that special hospital near Barking, and the four-point restraints, and what-not!


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14/03/2020 11:42 pm  

@kidneyhawk

Kyle, 93,

of course, I was just disappointed that there was no such thing as "undoubtable" and "sinking Crowley's boat". I think Cole's solution just works within the boundary of accepting Cole's alternative timeline and agenda. Just handling the riddle and the grid I thought it was ridiculously artificial and to me really makes no sense at all. One more in a mass of solutions and as qabalah-fiddling as many others. But - as I said - if you look at it in the context of the agenda Cole is presenting for years now, it makes so much more sense than even Crowley's account. I'll wait if there will be any major changes in the final publication and am busy working on a little review. But whatever you think of it, and I guess you will agree with this, it will not have any real impact on how the Thelemic world will view Crowley, because it is not what was promised: proof! Sounds familiar to the watermark thingie? Yes!

Love=Law

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15/03/2020 12:26 am  

Lutz,

 

I am still wishing to write some words of review for this book so I have avoided commenting overmuch since I received an advance copy. I think it's only right to honor an author's stated publication date and this has nothing to do with the odd accusations of “illegal insider trading” and so on. It's clear that I am not terribly unique in my desire to discuss while withholding details...including The Solution, Itself!

 

I WILL add to this conversation that I am in agreement with you. I do not come away from this book convinced 100% beyond the shadow of a doubt that its conclusions cannot be challenged. But I DO come away with serious doubts regarding Crowley's account of things and his behavior around Liber AL. Perhaps more so than before.

 

For some of us, this will be no new state of affairs. Ignant, for example, has plainly stated that he doesn't buy the claimed supernatural origins of the book. But I gather that this has to do more with his skepticism re: supernatural claims in general as opposed to the documentary and textual problems Cole and others excavate.

 

In the past, I have certainly regarded AL as the Divinely Inspired Work it claims to be. I am, personally, very interested and involved in that sphere of exploration which connects to “Traffic” with intelligences operating outside the embodied human experience. My interested in AL, RTC's research and our communal Lashtalian critique is in this context.

 

I agree that Crowley's ship won't be sunk. But I would also add that Crowley's ship wouldn't be sunk even if we DID arrive at 100% conclusive proof that he conjured up the whole thing as part of a con-job power-grab. It would just add to the color of his strange and compelling life and be no different from Gurdjieff painting the wings of birds or L. Ron jump starting a...business venture. I think Cole's work has several sharp points which DO evoke a reassessment of Crowley “The Prophet,” certainly. For myself, I learned a few tidbits which are quite applicable to my own esoteric endeavors (but not intended as such in context of eLGMOR).

 

I was and am far more interested in the numbers and letters than the line drawn. Whether you like it or no, RTC does present a complete deciphering of this passage. I have to bite my tongue for 2 more weeks but, as I have previously expressed, I am going to look forward to the discussion which ensues here.

 

93,

 

Kyle


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15/03/2020 12:27 am  
Posted by: @therealrtc

Voice a single word of objection and I shall immediately withdraw the book, period...  So, do you want this material available for all, or none?

IGNORE IGNANT buttons! Stop the Presses! Put your softballs away 'cause it's time to play hardball.

Posted by: @kidneyhawk

One may observe the same with Crowley's On The Reception Of The Book Of The Law.

Yeah. There's a lot of heresy hearsay involved in any aspect of this action.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Richard, I think that ignant666's remarks on this site are the copyright of Lashtal.com..

This is clearly stated in The Holy Guidelines. However, there are the exceptions of fair use (for an unspecified in length, short quote, and the personal connection to one's own posts. This area of law is trickier than who owns the copyright to a whole book, and it is very subjective in the courtroom. Ignant is an attorney, so he will figure out the details.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

it will not have any real impact on how the Thelemic world will view Crowley

Uh, oh!

POSSIBLE JOB OFFERING

Dependent upon circumstances, promises, and threats made over the next couple of weeks, seven members of the sixth degree (any 6th degree) are wanted for Tibunaleer duty. Excellent pay, coronaV insurance. Work from home and avoid the plague. Bias for or against hucksters is neither encouraged nor abrogated. Min IQ requirement: 90. Apply now and avoid the last minute rush.

 


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15/03/2020 1:06 am  
Posted by: @therealrtc

Whatever other adjustments are made prior to its publication on 01 April, your incidental contribution is fixed in stone.  Voice a single word of objection and I shall immediately withdraw the book, period...  So, do you want this material available for all, or none?

Seems that someone is looking for an excuse not to publish.


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15/03/2020 1:47 am  
Posted by: @michael-staley

Seems that someone is looking for an excuse not to publish.

Ya think? Just because everyone who's read it seems to agree that it doesn't live up to the hype, after all the endless hype, and ballyhoo, and braggadocio? That it doesn't demolish the "Cairo myth"? That his solution is just the typical "qabalah-fiddling"?

I am quaking with anticipatory terror at the prospect of being held up to mockery in "a supplemental appendix titled Notes" before what may be literally dozens of readers of this new blockbuster.

Of course, @therealrtc is notorious for never actually getting around to actually publishing those "supplemental appendices", so perhaps i should rest easy.

 


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15/03/2020 5:11 am  

ignant666: "I do look forward to his efforts to explain how Aiwass was able to encrypt the latitude and longitude of the Stele, expressed as GPS/WGS-84 6-decimal-place coordinates, into AL.

The WGS-84 system was, as its name suggests, released in 1984; it provides resolution to +/- 1 meter, or 1/100,000 of a degree."

 

"Nineteen Eighty-Four: A Novel, often published as 1984, is a dystopian novel by English novelist George Orwell. It was published in June 1949 by Secker & Warburg as Orwell's ninth and final book completed in his lifetime. [...] The story takes place in an imagined future, the year 1984, when much of the world has fallen victim to perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance, historical negationism, and propaganda." (Source: Nineteen Eighty-Four From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This article is about the 1949 novel by George Orwell. - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four )

 

"The Geolocation Privacy and Surveillance Act (GPS Act) was a bill introduced in the U.S. Congress in 2011 that attempted to limit government surveillance using geolocation information such as signals from GPS systems in mobile devices. [...] Opposition[:] The Obama Administration has expressed potential opposition to the GPS Act based on the belief that GPS tracking is no more invasive than visual surveillance." (Source: Geolocation Privacy and Surveillance Act From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation_Privacy_and_Surveillance_Act  )


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15/03/2020 6:10 am  
Posted by: @michael-staley

Seems that someone is looking for an excuse not to publish.

Or the reason, voiced a while ago, being Ignant's attempts to "supress" the book. I detected no suppressive intent at the time, and the suppressing accusation got depressed. NOW, Ignant is offered a reason to suppress said book.

It's not just here on the RTC book issue. All of LAShTAL has broken out into a master chess tournament with several contenders. Well, less like a chess match and more like The Glass Bead Game, or (at the least) Mr Spock's 3D Chess game.

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perhaps i should rest easy.

It is auspicious to "lean back" into samadhi. There is actually a "leaning back" sensation when one is in transition. "Laid back" is the more common pre-modern term, and I think people still use it in our moder, plague-ridden times.

On the other hand, we, as Grail's of the Night, cannot stand by, while laid back, and permit FALSE ADVERTISING (with prejudice) to go floating down the stream of human consciousness, without issing an alert.

But we cannot sound the alert until we GNOSIS FOR SURE that deception has been set upon us. A hard copy of the softcover liber in question, or a pdf, needs to be obtained by someone on the bench of the Grand Tibunal (yeah, I saw the dropped "r" in my previous JOB OFFERING. This, of course, can be anyone who is connected to any form of 6. 6 feet is a good beginning. Maybe your first name has 6 letters? Or adds up to 6? A 6 in your address or phone or credit card? You are hereby awarded the 6th degree. Only 7 of you can make the real decision, but nobody will know who you are, and everyone else of the 6th will be chiming in, and it will be more spectacular than the 4th of July with a North Korean military parade.

Until the evidence is produced, and examined for signs of genius, forgery, ingenuity, false advertising, or other symptoms of holiness or hell-raising, we should all rest easy, laid back, 6 feet from any other person, living or dead, and tell jokes about Los.

OMG. I just realized that LOS = SOL. How dense of my mentat! For anyone thinking I mean the Sun, forget that. Frater Sol was the blowhard Ipsissimus ("Just call me Ippy") of Solar Lodge, who did no work and tried to entice every woman who was in sight. He was the Great Embarrassment of said Lodge.

Anyway, anyone who can see the Universal Joke overshadowing this circus (circle) is entitled to submit to the 8th degree, about which nothing may be said.


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15/03/2020 6:19 am  

RTC(@therealrtc): "The riddle is part of Liber L and both are part of a grand deception Crowley probably started the day he joined the Golden Dawn." (Source: Posting by you on page 5 in this thread, 23/01/2020 11:10 pm - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/various-ii76-cipher-solutions/paged/5/#post-102980 )

 

RTC, do you consider the following statements witten by AC in 1899 and 1900, to be in support of a grand deception, you claim Aleister Crowley started the day he joined the Golden Dawn late in 1898???:

 

"Here lies Horus dead,

There Isis slain. We have no leader left." (Source: The Fatal Force, 1899, vanity-published by Aleister Crowley in his The Collected Works of Aleister Crowley. Volume I (1905) - - - https://hermetic.com/crowley/collected-works/i/the-fatal-force )

 

"IN THE HOUR BEFORE REVOLT. [...]

Hail! Hail to Thee, Lord of us, Horus! All hail to the warrior name! Thy chariots shall drive them before us, Thy sword sweep them forth as a flame. Rise! Move! and descend! I behold Thee, Heaven cloven of fieriest bars, Armed Light; and they follow and fold Thee, Thine armies of terrible stars. The Powers of Mars!

At the brightness that leapeth before Thee, The heavens bow down at Thine ire; Thick clouds pass to death and adore Thee,
Wild hailstones and flashings of fire. The mountains of Ages are shattered; Perpetual hills are bowed down; The Winds of the Heaven are scattered, Borne back from Thy furious frown, O Lord of Renown!

In terror and tumult and battle Thy breath smiteth forth as a sword; The Saxons are driven as cattle; We know Thee, that Thou art the Lord! Forth Freedom flings skyward, a maiden Rejoicing, upsprung from the sea, And the wild lyre of Erin is laden At last with the songs of the free! Hail! Hail unto Thee!" (Source: Carmen Saeculare, 1900, vanity-published by Aleister Crowley in his The Collected Works of Aleister Crowley. Volume I (1905) - - - https://hermetic.com/crowley/collected-works/i/carmen-saeculare )


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15/03/2020 6:51 am  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

the following statements witten by AC in 1899 and 1900 ...

Say, those are really some good quotes. Again, we see 1900 in a little different light, at least I do.


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15/03/2020 5:00 pm  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

Ignant, for example, has plainly stated that he doesn't buy the claimed supernatural origins of the book. But I gather that this has to do more with his skepticism re: supernatural claims in general as opposed to the documentary and textual problems Cole and others excavate.

I just want to clarify my position here, since i realize i've never outright stated one, but only applied the Socratic method to the positions of others.

I am pretty close to AC's "We place no reliance on virgin or pigeon/The method of science, the aim of religion", Scientific Illuminism stance.

I don't think there can possibly be such things as "supernatural" (or "praeternatural", or any other weasel word created to avoid saying "supernatural") phenomena/entities/experiences. This is largely a matter of language: if hairless apes perceive, interact with, experience, stuff, it is by definition "natural". The term "natural" encompasses all the things that can happen, and be experienced.

That said, i have some personal experience with that phenomena/entities/experiences that are what are referred to by others as "supernatural", "praeternatural", etc.- i am not saying that these phenomena/entities/experiences "aren't real", "are hallucinations", "are inventions" or any of that sort of thing.

Of course, some crazy people also claim all sorts of things- sometimes there are glimmers of gold amid the dross, sometimes not. It can be tough sometimes to tell the crazy people from the saints. I find that an interest in tentacles, blood, and/or blood-products is a useful heuristic for distinguishing crazy people interested in AC from not-crazy people.

Where words like "supernatural", "praeternatural", etc. get used is with regard to uncommon phenomena/entities/experiences that folks try to explain with the logical tools at the disposal of moderately-evolved social primates, and describe with the words and symbol systems used by the other primates they need to interact with. But there aren't any rational explanations of these phenomena/entities/experiences, and there aren't any words and symbol systems that can cause another primate to understand what is referred to.

Note that my skepticism towards the "supernatural", "praeternatural" etc school of rational explanation of the numinous and ineffable also applies to the ordinary quotidian collective hallucination jokingly called "reality".

If you can evoke Asmodeus to visible appearance, there is just as much reason to call him "real" as there is your cat, your pen or your Uncle Bob. And just as little.


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15/03/2020 5:53 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

I don't think there can possibly be such things as "supernatural" (or "praeternatural", or any other weasel word created to avoid saying "supernatural") phenomena/entities/experiences. This is largely a matter of language: if hairless apes perceive, interact with, experience, stuff, it is by definition "natural". The term "natural" encompasses all the things that can happen, and be experienced.

That is pretty much my position too. However, I think that terms such as "supernatural" are used to indicate not so much 'beyond the natural order' as 'beyond what is understood at present to be the natural order'.


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15/03/2020 6:14 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

I think that terms such as "supernatural" are used to indicate not so much 'beyond the natural order' as 'beyond what is understood at present to be the natural order'.

I don't think there will ever come a time when hairless primates evolve sufficiently to become capable of rationally understanding or explaining this stuff sometimes called "supernatural", or at least not at all soon, even in evolutionary terms. Or that language will ever evolve in some way that makes it possible for words to do more than hint at this stuff.

Our brains evolved primarily to protect against physical threats to the meat vehicle, induce us to reproduce, and facilitate killing other creatures. They do even those things very imperfectly. People stub their toes all the time, despite all that evolution and/or intelligent design.

There are some tools that aren't able to do some jobs. A forklift cannot tune a piano. An analogy adopted since Shiva's lawnmower (that he does not have) can answer the phone. Even Shiva's forklift (that he does not have) cannot tune his piano (that he does not have)- attempting to tune a piano with a forklift (even one that you do not have) is an example of what is called "confusing the planes".


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15/03/2020 6:31 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

I find that an interest in tentacles, blood, and/or blood-products is a useful heuristic for distinguishing crazy people interested in AC from not-crazy people.

Another heuristic of course, is initial posts by new members in the late Winter/early Spring months (the so-called "Spring birds" phenomenon), often discussing such things as new AL cypher solutions, the grid page, Jesus, Satan, being related to AC, being AC reincarnate, being the new AC, or the new order you have just founded, in addition to the perennial favorites of tentacles, blood, and/or blood-products, or some combination of these things.

Of course, it has been known to happen that even old timers do the same thing when the sap is rising.


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15/03/2020 7:08 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

This, of course, can be anyone who is connected to any form of 6. 6 feet is a good beginning. Maybe your first name has 6 letters? Or adds up to 6?

Not me personally, but I might have found a good "6". Don't know if you have the time to give me a quick rundown on what you make of "The World (Universe)" card. If it makes any sense of things you can have this "6" (I can start a little thread).


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15/03/2020 9:51 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

I don't think there will ever come a time when hairless primates evolve sufficiently to become capable of rationally understanding or explaining this stuff sometimes called "supernatural", or at least not at all soon, even in evolutionary terms.

Our deepest, and most elusive, neuricuit is the eighth (quantum). By definition, it encompasses events, beings, and concepts that "break with reality." That is, they cannot be explained by the rational mind, and thus you are correct that nobody's going to explain nuthin' about weird things, because there is an acausal factor involved.

There this factor, infinite and unknown, that screws up one's thinking.

... and the dots do not connect.

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I might have found a good "6"

Congratulations. Your 6th degree will be courier-delivered by Angel Express(TM).

I see no need to move forward with anal-isis of 6, since you have already earned that grade. The world card (Universe XXI) is the path of astral projection (when exiting) and is the doorway that lets in the entities seen in Friday Night Horus Horror Films. Any neophyte is capable of closing their own personal  Universe door simply by banishing. Not everyone does this properly, but they try. Dominion over the garbage pit of the (lower) astral subplanes is gained by development of the astral body and its powers over glamor and illusion.

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The Angels came to me and told me to give you the following link to your hometown Ashram in Megatron land. You can scoll up from 5.6 to examine the higher dimensions where the real Nerds of the Temple hang out, or you can just go right up top and review the entire 5th ray in the order of creation, which may or may not coincide with Genesis (the book, not the porridge)

Here ...     http://crystal-chip.angelfire.com/zip05.htm#5.6

I see pop-ups. Just "X" them like they were ghouls on the astral plane. I'll probably have to relocate the whole site.

 


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15/03/2020 10:22 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

I see no need to move forward with anal-isis of 6

I'll probably start that thread anyway (its one of my "Akashic threads", not written yet). Its not on the number 6 as such, but has a significant 6 at the end. Do you have a quick nugget of info on the World/Universe as it relates to AC? (it could be relevant to this "6" and my planned thread (also note the title of the current thread has "76" in it, which ends in a 6).

 

From your link:

Various systems include Astrology, Tarot, I Ching, Numerology, Dreamspell, Aura analysis, Megatron, Runes, Crystal Balls, Tea Leaves

Even a deck of common playing cards can be effective

I have been using Google image search for this, though it is not very effective. Some times it is though.

I recently spent my meagre savings on a pack of Tarots. Its the Rider-Waite but with better colours.


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16/03/2020 1:11 am  
Posted by: @michael-staley

Jones wrote a solution to II.76, and it will be included in the forthcoming book The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat. Feel free to place an advance order.

Thanks Mr. Staley, I will check this out. Can anyone enlighten me on what his AL III:47 solution was other than "the Key of it All" where "All" may be "AL" and the "key" is AL = 31 meaning "God," where 3x31=93. That is pretty basic, I am surprised Crowley went so nuts over it. Did he ever explain the line drawn and the circle squared?

Thank you. It's nice to be back on Lashtal. I am the originator of one of the AL II:76 solutions in Mr. Gilis' short write up, and I thank him for his collation. He did not do my solution justice, but that's fine, I don't expect much from a such a simple summation. I am writing a book called Certainty, Not Faith: The Book of Law Proven True (the words after the colon may change). It will contain my II:76 and III:47 solutions as well as other magickal discoveries I've made, and I will try to elucidate everything as much as possible therein.

I will at present and in the future be very appreciative of forum members answering any questions I might have that helps me in my endeavor.

I do have one question right up front that ties in with Achad's AL solution. Did Aiwass communicate the title page to Crowley, namely that "Liber L vel Legis" could be really "Liber AL vel Legis" in that these are both pronounced the same in Hebrew. I forgot the answer to this magickal strand.


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16/03/2020 1:50 am  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

Can anyone enlighten me on what his AL III:47 solution was other than "the Key of it All" where "All" may be "AL" and the "key" is AL = 31 meaning "God," where 3x31=93. That is pretty basic, I am surprised Crowley went so nuts over it. Did he ever explain the line drawn and the circle squared?

I've not so far come across anything by Achad commenting on the "line dawn" or the "circle squared". In 1936 Crowley reopened correspondence with Jones since he was preparing The Equinox of the Gods and wanted to give an account of the discovery of AL as the Key. In the course of that correspondence, Crowley made it clear that he thought Jones had still a great role to play in plumbing the depths of The Book of the Law. This 1936 correspondence is included in in The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat as a Prologue, since it foreshadows some of the themes of the correspondence between Jones and Yorke.

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Did Aiwass communicate the title page to Crowley, namely that "Liber L vel Legis" could be really "Liber AL vel Legis" in that these are both pronounced the same in Hebrew. I forgot the answer to this magickal strand.

No, I think the Title Page was wholly Crowley's work after the Reception. The Book is referred to as The Book of the Law in the last verse, and Liber L was, so far as I know, Crowley's designation. He expanded that title to Liber AL following the submission by Jones of Liber 31 in 1919.


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16/03/2020 2:43 am  
Posted by: @duck

Do you have a quick nugget of info on the World/Universe as it relates to AC?

AC, when questioned in court about "666," said, "You may call me little sunshine."

6 = Tiphareth = Sun x 111 (spiritual force) = 666.

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I am the originator of one of the AL II:76 solutions in Mr. Gilis' short write up, and I thank him for his collation. He did not do my solution justice, but that's fine, I don't expect much from a such a simple summation. I am writing a book called Certainty, Not Faith: The Book of Law Proven True (the words after the colon may change). It will contain my II:76 and III:47 solutions as well as other magickal discoveries I've made, and I will try to elucidate everything as much as possible therein.

Welcome to the Spring Rush.

 


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16/03/2020 2:55 am  
Posted by: @shiva

AC, when questioned in court about "666," said, "You may call me little sunshine."

6 = Tiphareth = Sun x 111 (spiritual force) = 666

Thanks, were nearly there. Can you quickly tie that in with the World/Universe card?


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