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ignant666
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16/03/2020 3:27 am  

I am reminded of the old line when someone asks you for a cigarette, and then for a light: "Jeez, ya want me to smoke it for ya too?"

Do a little work, Duck-Angel.


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16/03/2020 3:33 am  

@ignant666

🙂

(but maybe my post was just a polite way of saying "thanks, but I sort of knew that already" 😊 )

 


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16/03/2020 3:54 am  

@ignant666

This question is of course open to you and everyone else too. Can you think of any connection with AC and the World/Universe card? You can be as brief as you want.

I'm going to try to do a "good" post (don't worry, it won't be too long and rambling). That would be the missing piece or the post wouldn't be as "good".

 


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16/03/2020 3:57 am  
Posted by: @duck

but maybe my post was just a polite way of saying "thanks, but I sort of knew that already"

Don't confuse humility with false modesty or servility. I can't speak for Shiva, but I'd rather someone be arrogant to me than deceitfully self-effacing.

Through what tools does a man mensurate his world? I believe in the Timaeus it was written, first by some pythagorean whose name escapes me and later by Plato, that it is not light being captured by the eye that gives the mind an impression of a seen object, but an inner light casting from the eye and intermingling with the sunlight already fallen on an object.


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16/03/2020 6:17 am  
Posted by: @duck

Thanks, were nearly there. Can you quickly tie that in with the World/Universe card?

Atu XX!, the lady dancing with the snake and a beam of light coming down from above.

 

Image result for atu xxi thoth tarot

 

The task of this path is astral projection, which cannot be accomplished in the proper way without demonstrating control of the astral plane.

Once said control is established, the only legitimate direction of travel (for a spiritual aspirant) is straight up. This is accomplished by getting in the groove tunnel from which the light is shining down in the Atu image.

Take once glance at this card, and the mystic will sense the kundalini ... rising from the base/root chakra up to the second, sacral chakra (Yesod) ... again, through the tunnel at the top.

Once past Yesod, and in the tunnel, the high-speed elevator is aimed directly at 6, Tiphareth. This intermediate stage is necessary if one is going to go/get anywhere. It's the rule of the three gunas. Too many people like to stip the middle stage in anything.

6 is the Sun. Sol. Ra. 6 x 11 (Magick) = The Magickal power of anything associated with Tiphareth (see 777).

6 x 111 (Spiritual Force) = 666, the Great Beast who has tamed his Id and proclaimed himself the manifestation of antiChristian morality. "You may call me Little Sunshine." Very cute and clever (laughter was heard in court). He lost.

This has been a little bedtime story, and it's made me sleepy.

If you want to know about direct linkages from subway XXI to A/C the person or the 666, I refer you to his epistle on XXI in The Book of Thoth ... because I don't remember what he said or how it might bring meaning coincidence involving him.

If you don't have the Thoth Bible, it's free online. If you can't find it, tell me and I'll send it to you.

Shinola! What was this t'read about. Let me return to Zero and start again.

 

 


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16/03/2020 1:31 pm  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

I do have one question right up front that ties in with Achad's AL solution. Did Aiwass communicate the title page to Crowley, namely that "Liber L vel Legis" could be really "Liber AL vel Legis" in that these are both pronounced the same in Hebrew. I forgot the answer to this magickal strand

At the beginning of whichever version of the commentaries on Liber Legis you have access to, Crowley addresses the title, stating that "L" was heard of the author (Aiwass), followed by the conclusion that he misheard "AL" as "L".

 


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16/03/2020 4:19 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

I've not so far come across anything by Achad commenting on the "line dawn" or the "circle squared". In 1936 Crowley reopened correspondence with Jones since he was preparing The Equinox of the Gods and wanted to give an account of the discovery of AL as the Key. In the course of that correspondence, Crowley made it clear that he thought Jones had still a great role to play in plumbing the depths of The Book of the Law. This 1936 correspondence is included in in The Incoming of the Aeon of Maat as a Prologue, since it foreshadows some of the themes of the correspondence between Jones and Yorke.

Thank you so much Mr. Staley, it's curious he didn't play around with the AL III:47 cipher more.


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16/03/2020 4:33 pm  
Posted by: @herupakraath
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

I do have one question right up front that ties in with Achad's AL solution. Did Aiwass communicate the title page to Crowley, namely that "Liber L vel Legis" could be really "Liber AL vel Legis" in that these are both pronounced the same in Hebrew. I forgot the answer to this magickal strand

At the beginning of whichever version of the commentaries on Liber Legis you have access to, Crowley addresses the title, stating that "L" was heard of the author (Aiwass), followed by the conclusion that he misheard "AL" as "L".

 

I thought I remembered Crowley saying that he heard the title from Aiwass, and then him stating he must have heard it wrong at first. I don't really buy this all that much because it makes it a problem as to when the title page was written. From Crowley's explanation the most logical assumption is that it would have been the very first thing he heard, but look at how Crowley defaced it with scribbles and such. It seems he would have had greater respect for that page if it was truly part of the initial reception. I suppose we are to believe that Aiwass reappeared at some point after the reception and then whispered the title in Latin to him except for the "L" part, which should have been "AL" in Hebrew?

The most likely case is some time shortly after the entire reception or at least after the first chapter was written where it is stated that "This that thou writest is the threefold book of Law."

I have another off topic query for anyone that may know. In the Jewish kabbalah they only speak of "En Sof" above Kether, but in the hermetic qabalah someone invented the Ain, Ain Soph, Ain Soph Aur triad we are familiar with. I can trace this back to Mathers but no farther. I would love to know the inventor of this word formula.


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16/03/2020 5:13 pm  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

Thank you so much Mr. Staley, it's curious he didn't play around with the AL III:47 cipher more.

It's very possible - indeed, perhaps likely - that he did. The problem with determing what Achad did or didn't do is the dispersal of his papers after his death, and more particularly after the death of the last Mahaguru of the Universal Brotherhood. This means that pieces of the jigsaw puzzle are scattered all over the world. For instance, it was onlt due to the kindness of a collector in California making their collection of letters available to me about a year ago that I came across Achad's analysis of the cipher at AL.II.76


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16/03/2020 5:21 pm  

Seeing that it is March 16th I though I would reference quotes The Equinox of the Gods, March 16 per that date of import in the "Cairo Working" and an provide an observation for consideration, along with relevant text which  might inspire others to perform the.....

On pg 90 we have:

March 16th, Die (Mercury Symbol for Wednesday) I invoke IAO

    (Fra.P. tells us that this was done by the ritual of the "Boneless One," identical with the "Preliminary invocation " in the "Godetia," merely to amuse his wife by showing her the sylphs. She refused or was unable to see any sylphs, but became "inspired," and kept on saying: "They are waiting for you!")

    (Note. the maiden name or his wife was Rose Edith Kelly. He called her Ouarda, the Arabic for "Rose." She was hereafter signified by "Ourarda the Seer" or "W." for short. Ed.)

Here we have this passage as found a little later on page 115 we have this.

" Tried to show the Slyphs to Rose.(1)  She was in a dazed state, stupid, possibly drunk; possibly hysterical from pregnancy. she could see nothing, bus could hear. She was fiercely excited at the messages, and passionately instant that I should take them seriously. 

  I  was annoyed at her irrelevance, and her infliction of nonsense upon me.

  She had never been in any state even remotely resembling this, though I had made the same invocation (in full) in the King's chamber of the Great Pyramid during the night we spent there in the previous autumn."

(1) "I invoke them by the Air section of Liber Samekh, and the appropriate God-names, Pentagrams, &c."

 

Here is the the Air Section of Liber Samekh. One might wonder why the invocation of IAO, from the page 90 selectio is only referenced by only one section of the ritual, unless perhaps not a full invocation, as this was just to amuse W.? If the "Ritual" this invocation of IAO was an incomplete one, then this might be what has caused W. to act in the various ways described. Crowley gets the thing going, gets disturbed that Rose is not seeing things and thus does he let the "Invocation" thus hang in the Air, so to speak, thus that the Oracular W. is activated through the Invocation, and who acts in accordance with forces thus invoked and hanging around, coming to fore through the sense of sound, and who thus acts in accordance perhaps with the "Gods" being upset that the full retinue of elements of such ritual have not been activated, that thus the subsequent events transpire as activation of links of magical potency have thus necessitated....

Experimentation with Samekh perhaps relevant on this day! Here is the part referenced.

HG

Section B.
Air

Hear Me: -

AR                      "O breathing, flowing Sun!"

ThIAF (1)               "O Sun IAF! O Lion-Serpent Sun, The
                           Beast that whirlest forth, a thunder-
                           bolt, begetter of Life!"
RhEIBET                 "Thou that flowest!  Thou that goest!"
A-ThELE-BER-SET         "Thou Satan-Sun Hadith that goest
                           without Will!"
A                       "Thou Air!  Breath!  Spirit!  Thou
                           without bound or bond!"
BELAThA                 "Thou Essence, Air Swift-streaming,
                           Elasticity!"
ABEU                    "Thou Wanderer, Father of All!"
EBEU                    "Thou Wanderer, Spirit of All!"
PhI-ThETA-SOE           "Thou Shining Force of Breath!  Thou
                           Lion-Serpent Sun!  Thou Saviour,
                           save!"
IB                      "Thou Ibis, secret solitary Bird, inviolate
                           Wisdom, whose Word in Truth,
                           creating the World by its Magick!"
ThIAF                   "O Sun IAF!  O Lion-Serpent Sun, The
                           Beas that whirlest forth, a thunder-
                           bolt, begetter of Life!"

The conception is of Air, glowing, inhabited by a Solar-Phallic Bird, "the Holy Ghost", of a Mercurial Nature.

Hear me, and make all Spirits subject unto Me; so that every Spirit of the Firmament and of the Ether: upon the Earth and under the Earth, on dry land and in the water; of Whirling Air, and of rushing Fire, and every Spell and Scourge of God may be obedient unto Me.

 

*******

(1) The letter F is used to represent the Hebrew Vau and the Greek Digamma; its sound lies between those of the English long o and long oo, as in Rope and Tooth.

 


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16/03/2020 7:03 pm  

I have always figured that Rose played a much larger role in the Cairo story than AC ever let on- even he may have drawn the line at writing down too much about sex-magick ritual three-ways with his new bride (on her honeymoon), and Lucky Hamid, the hotel room-service waiter. So handy when such things lead to new religious revelations telling your wife to have more three-ways!

This may be one reason i consider @therealrtc either a con artist or delusional- he claimed he had found Rose's diaries from the honeymoon. I assumed this had to be true, because why else would someone make this claim unless they could back it up with... Rose's honeymoon diaries?

And, of course, those pesky watermarks.

"Fool me once, won't get fooled again", as the stupidest recent US President before the current one once said.

So are we thinking we will actually see something April Fool's Day, or that COV-19, or my uncharitable remarks, or some other lame-ass excuse, will prevent making a pdf available?

Or do we think [crickets] April 1, and then a couple years of radio silence, before he surfaces the next delusion/scam, the way he did the last time?

Also, why hasn't RTC yet used The Horus Toy to cure COV-19 overnight, save uncountable lives, and become the universal hero of all humanity?

Same question for the (c)OTO, and the IX Supreme Secret?

Probably the "Creampies For A COV-19 Cure" rituals are taking place at the various Camps, Lodges, and Oases as we speak. Mass field promotions to IX, followed by mass IXing like Moonies gettin' hitched, or bunny rabbits in the Spring.


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16/03/2020 8:14 pm  
Posted by: @michael-staley

the dispersal of his papers after his death

Um, gee, I hardly know how to put this, but let me try. Achad's library (contents undisclosed) was given to Frater X by Achad's widow. The Achad-family referred to Frater X as "the follower." I will contact Fr.'. X and attempt to get a coherent image to project back here on the LAShTAL screen. No chronological measurements are specified, promised, or implied.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

I  was annoyed at her irrelevance, and her infliction of nonsense upon me.

Yes, even P.'. was irritated with the illogical nonsense ... and this scene is only the first ding of the bell that will open the bizarre ceremony known as The Cairo Working.

Thank you for posting the ceremony in synch with the e.v. calendar. It will help our group mind track right on through the pylons. Of course, April 1 will precede April 8, so we'll have some external input inputted just as the climax is drawing near.

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..., and make all Spirits subject unto Me ...

Okay. This section is also found, verbatim, in Liber Israfel (The Invocation of Thoth), which was authored through translation of The Book of the Dead, by Allan Bennett. I don't know where/when this particular section was writ in English, and it doesn't matter for our purposes here.

 


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16/03/2020 8:39 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Um, gee, I hardly know how to put this, but let me try. Achad's library (contents undisclosed) was given to Frater X by Achad's widow. The Achad-family referred to Frater X as "the follower." I will contact Fr.'. X and attempt to get a coherent image to project back here on the LAShTAL screen. No chronological measurements are specified, promised, or implied.

I was under the impression that Achad's widow passed his papers to John Kowal, his successor as Mahaguru of the Universal Brotherhood. The papers passed subsequently to Frederick Kayser, who was Kowal's successor as Mahaguru. There was no-one for Kayser, the last Mahaguru, to leave his papers to.

After Kayser's death, there was a sale of the contents of his house. Someone bought the filing cabinets. Subsequently they found the filing cabinets full of papers. Rather than throw them away, they put them up for sale on ebay over a number of years.

I doubt that these were all the papers, and I've heard rumours of large chunks of material passing through various pairs of hands.

 

 

 


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16/03/2020 10:37 pm  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

I don't really buy this all that much because it makes it a problem as to when the title page was written.

If look you closely at the available image of the 'title page', it's not a sheet, but a folder. What is strange, is the O.T.O. has taken the position the folder never contained the Liber L vel Legis manuscript, but instead, held the typescript of the Book of the Law that was part of the 1906 galley proofs that were originally intended to be included in The Collected Works, but were left out. It is quite obvious the folder held the manuscript based on what is written on the folder. 

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It seems he would have had greater respect for that page if it was truly part of the initial reception

Consider this: up until Crowley heard Aiwass utter the first words that he did, Crowley had had no direct instructions from Aiwass, with Rose having relayed all of the information. If Crowley was as skeptical of Rose as he claimed, it must have been quite of shock to hear the voice of Aiwass initially, so much so, that he not only failed to write down the title after hearing it spoken aloud, but also let the first word of the first verse get by him: Had!, which is the reason the name was inserted in the left margin after Crowley wrote The Manifestation of Nuit.

Posted by: @wizardiaoan

I have another off topic query for anyone that may know. In the Jewish kabbalah they only speak of "En Sof" above Kether, but in the hermetic qabalah someone invented the Ain, Ain Soph, Ain Soph Aur triad we are familiar with. I can trace this back to Mathers but no farther. I would love to know the inventor of this word formula.

Google Ohr Ein Sof: it's an aspect of Lurianic Kabbalah. 


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17/03/2020 12:30 am  
Posted by: @michael-staley

I doubt that these were all the papers, and I've heard rumours of large chunks of material passing through various pairs of hands.

They say/said the same thing about both the Solar Lodge collection and the Grady holdings. It seems any collection is subject to dispersal.

 


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17/03/2020 2:45 am  

@shiva

Thanks for that information, I was not really familiar with the astral explanation of the "World" card. I'm more familiar with the "completion of the Great Work" angle.

It may be appropriate that you mention astral projection (and creepy astral stuff in another thread) at this time. I'm not a natural astral projector (the only thing like it was a fairly insignificant O.B.E. as a small kid, and nothing since), though I do seem to be permanently "cursed" with bizarre dreams from years of antidepressant use. I had some particularly bizarre (and creepy) dreams last night. The Advaita-types don't seem to have to deal with this astral creepiness (as far as I know) or even know about the "Tree", but maybe its my fate to have to deal with it.

 

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Shinola! What was this t'read about. Let me return to Zero and start again.

I have now made that post with the "6" I mentioned, the sequence begins again with "1", so from my perspective this thread can now also return to "ain".

 


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17/03/2020 5:16 am  
Posted by: @djedi

I'd rather someone be arrogant to me than deceitfully self-effacing.

I'd rather they be self-effacing without the deceitful. But there's a problem in that. If one were to actively work at self-effacement, they'd be phonies, because the mind cannot efface itself. (Long philosophical discussions on other threads, long ago). The effacement to be looked forward to, on the spiritual path, is something that happens to one, not something the one does.

Partial exclusion 101:44: However, there are certain  "tricks" (see the Libers) that will allow or cause the mind-ego to slow down (lower, slower brainwave frequency). How low can you go? Frantic reduces to calm, which slows to the point where visions arise, and finally to where they are so slow (less than 4.0 Hz) that perception of anything stops. (But the self still bounces back).

As things go slower, certain psychic powers arise (the lesser siddhis).

Purposeful self-fecesing always comes out so obviously obvious.

 


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17/03/2020 11:39 pm  
Posted by: @herupakraath

If look you closely at the available image of the 'title page', it's not a sheet, but a folder. What is strange, is the O.T.O. has taken the position the folder never contained the Liber L vel Legis manuscript, but instead, held the typescript of the Book of the Law that was part of the 1906 galley proofs that were originally intended to be included in The Collected Works, but were left out. It is quite obvious the folder held the manuscript based on what is written on the folder. 

That is amazing, I can see that it is a folder now. I mentioned it to David Hulse and he found it fascinating as well. (Not sure why this is formatting in caps, sorry).
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It seems he would have had greater respect for that page if it was truly part of the initial reception

Consider this: up until Crowley heard Aiwass utter the first words that he did, Crowley had had no direct instructions from Aiwass, with Rose having relayed all of the information. If Crowley was as skeptical of Rose as he claimed, it must have been quite of shock to hear the voice of Aiwass initially, so much so, that he not only failed to write down the title after hearing it spoken aloud, but also let the first word of the first verse get by him: Had!, which is the reason the name was inserted in the left margin after Crowley wrote The Manifestation of Nuit.

I don't think Aiwass uttered the title first. Crowley could have put it at the top center of the first page if Aiwass did speak it first, though I see your point that he could have been shocked. The title page being a folder makes it more likely Crowley penned the title page after the entire manuscript was written, wishing to collate it together. He didn't have to hear the title of the book at all from Aiwass since the first chapter states "This that thou writest is the threefold book of Law." That's more likely where Crowley got the title from: "L" for "Law," Libra being associated with the scales of justice and law.

The scrunched "Had!" is controversial, and I see how that word could scare the bejesus out of you! I personally do not think it is truly meant to be a part of the text, but that Crowley added it after he saw the other two chapters had similar beginnings. This would make the first three words "The Nu Abrahadabra," which is the name for my philosophical magickal order. It makes the first and last word of Liber Legis "The Abrahadabra," which is my name for Key X Jupiter = 11, 20.

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I have another off topic query for anyone that may know. In the Jewish kabbalah they only speak of "En Sof" above Kether, but in the hermetic qabalah someone invented the Ain, Ain Soph, Ain Soph Aur triad we are familiar with. I can trace this back to Mathers but no farther. I would love to know the inventor of this word formula.

Google Ohr Ein Sof: it's an aspect of Lurianic Kabbalah. 

Thank you for this, that may be a good lead for me. So do you think some early hermetic qabalist was familiar with the "En Soph" and the "Ohr Ein Sof" and then just put the pure Ain at the top to make it a word formula? I am interested in this because I noticed you can put the Thelemic trinity right at the highest level where Hadit is Ain, Nuit is Ain Soph, and RHK is Ain Soph Aur.

I have a theory of aeons where I see Liber Legis enunciating the aeon of Geburah, which is why the third chapter is so marital, but imagine the third chapter symbolically changing with each new aeon while the first two chapters remain eternal (as the two opposites). The highest conception of this is that the third chapter would be the pure Light of the Ain Soph Aur. Crowley's Isis-Osiris-Horus aeons can be put on the Tree to be Venus-Sun-Mars as Netzach-Tiphareth-Geburah. My theory posits the next aeon should be of Chesed. Maat could fit in here as the feather of the heart (I ascribe Chesed to the Anahata cakra). This stuff will be in my book, and I will start threads on various topics looking for critiques first on here in the future.


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18/03/2020 12:28 am  
Posted by: @shiva

Mind everyone ... Crowley wrote that whomsoever solved II:76 would be a Magus.

Excuse me all, I am making my way through this thread.

Shiva you are confusing his III:47 comment with his II:76 comment. Crowley's old comment to II:76 does say "the revealer to come is perhaps the one mentioned in I:55 and III:47," which I do think is correct, but then in his new comment to II:76 he says "this 'one' is not to be confused with the 'child' referred to elsewhere in this Book." So he changes his viewpoint here. It is in the old comment to III:47 that he states the person to solve it he thinks will be of the Grade of Magus, but in the new comment says he need only be a Magister Templi.

I don't think we should have to listen to Crowley here at all, in II:76 Hadit says Crowley will remain clueless in these matters! Moreover the solver could be a young person who has yet to attain fully. It is just magickal curiosity at work, nothing to get bothered about, though I agree some of the solutions do get tedious to read at times.


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18/03/2020 12:31 am  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

the third chapter symbolically changing with each new aeon while the first two chapters remain eternal

I have noticed something similar with my numerological approach: the 3rd chapter has 21 pages whereas the other 2 have 22, putting it "out of alignment" with them.


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18/03/2020 1:38 am  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

93!

Oh, I just responded to a similar thread! I will throw my own solution in here as well. 

I stuck with A=1 Z=26, the most basic of basic. I took AL II:75 to be part of the riddle, the "words" to listen to along with the numbers.

For AL II:75 I got 382.

For the letters in the cipher I got 252, then when adding the numbers I reached 395.

AL II:75 + Cipher of AL II:76 = 395 + 382 = 777, the successor of 666.

93, 93/93!

My own II:76 solution relies on the ABC123 order (A=1, Z=26) as well and I am very familiar with this number code. Yes, the sentence "Aye! listen to the numbers & the words: 4638 ABK24ALGMOR3Y X 24 89 RPSTOVAL" equals 777 when the cipher is taken as 4+6+3+8+A+B+K+2+4+A+L+G+M+O+R+3+Y+X+24+89+R+P+S+T+O+V+A+L. And yes many know the symbology that 777 is the magickal child of 666, though I'm not even sure how that got started or what real basis there is for it. Regardless, this isn't a solution, it is literally just adding up a portion of verse together. I knew this fact about 20+ years ago for instance.

*This is with the ampersand (&) unnumbered which I think is the correct approach.


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18/03/2020 1:52 am  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

"this 'one' is not to be confused with the 'child' referred to elsewhere

Yes, I am aware of this. Achad was the child. The one who expounds is apparently still on his way.

Yes, I probably did confust the two lines. It's those funny Roman Numbers mixed with funny Arabic Numbers. Sorry if I caused any confusion.

It's interesting how most systems have a "coming one," in one form or another.

 


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18/03/2020 2:03 am  

There is a cool proof of the ABC123 code, I just call it Serial English as opposed to Metric English (where A=1 and Z=800), in the very verse of the Book of Law about the English alphabet.

(121)II:55 Thou shalt obtain the order & value of the English Alphabet; thou shalt find new symbols to attribute them unto.

It is that SATAN = 55 in Serial English, which when spelled out fully in Hebrew equals 121, the verse's total serial sum from the beginning of the book (from I:1). SATAN = 60+1+9+1+50 in Hebrew. I think the word "obtain" is a slight blind, since Serial English is the most natural number order of the common alphabet. I am tied to the number 121 = Wizardiaoan in Serial English, and my birth date is 4/7/1974 = 4774 = 47+74 = 121. The glyph that this makes when conjoined is my avatar, and this glyph is my solution III:47. It is I believe "the key of it all."


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18/03/2020 2:14 am  
Posted by: @shiva

Yes, I am aware of this. Achad was the child. The one who expounds is apparently still on his way. 

It may be your opinion Achad was the child, and this was Crowley's view at least at one point in his life, likely later changed per his new comment to II:76. It is not my opinion that Achad was the "one" or "child" as prophesied in the Book of Law. Your words sound so factual above that I must state that not everyone believes Achad was the true "one" or "child" mentioned in the Book of Law, since I for one do not.


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18/03/2020 2:39 am  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

I am tied to the number 121 = Wizardiaoan in Serial English, and my birth date is 4/7/1974 = 4774 = 47+74 = 121

121 is the 5th "Star Number" (a figurate number that makes a 6-pointed star shape), so you could think of it as a symbol of the union of 5 and 6.

121 star

We can see contains 61 (ain) in the form of a hexagon in red:

121 star 61

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18/03/2020 3:07 am  

From Equinox Of The Gods, p. 70, 1936

March 17th "all about child" Also "all Osiris." (Note  the cynic and sceptic tone of this entry. How different it appears in the light of Liber 418!) Thoth invoked with great success, indwells us. (Yes; but what happened? Far. P. has no sort of idea.)

An interesting passage, a poetry to it typing it out

'indwells us' 

Yes; what interesting two words brought together

or three 

for the affirmative further affirmed here 

upon a rugged winter sky still 

as nights of ages roll the planet 

may synesthesia of 

Vision and Voice be 

'all about child'

'all-about Osiris.'

 

So an invocation of Thoth is announced

and "indwelling us" is the Yes

that is

affirmed~

Success!

 

We have some ideas looking back.

Or~

 

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18/03/2020 3:19 am  
Posted by: @herupakraath

I have not only completed my book that proves the opposite of what you have been attempting to do for years--proving the Cairo Working is a hoax--I have also penned a separate document that details the most convincing solution to the II:76 puzzle conceived. Just to give you fair warning, you're wasting your time. The question is, when should I post my solution? March 31st perhaps... 😀 

I'll try to look out for it. I saw a bit about your English number code order being based on the grid of III:47, which it is common knowledge came much later than the initial reception. I thus usually throw all solutions based on the grid out on that basis alone, but I will still take a look. You should know you have an uphill battle when basing anything on what Crowley drew upon the original manuscript years after the fact! Correct me if I'm wrong about your solution being derived in some manner from the grid though.


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18/03/2020 4:07 am  
Posted by: @duck

121 is the 5th "Star Number" (a figurate number that makes a 6-pointed star shape), so you could think of it as a symbol of the union of 5 and 6.

Thank you yes, I love the star numbers. The 121-fold one you cite is the one used to play the Chinese checkers board game on. I also see there is the mystery of the Ain as 61 as the center dot. The number 373 (as AL III:73) is a permutation of the star number too, for which see this link: https://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_LogosStar.php

After the dust settles around here I will begin my own threads with my own solutions to III:73, II:76, and III:47 for interests sake, and because I think they are the best. It will take a bit of planning but it will be good to get some decent critique, etc.

I can tell you my III:47 solution most basically now. When you sum up the entire verse of III:47 in Serial English (A-Z = 1-26), not counting ampersands (&), you get 4,898. When you subtract the letters the line touches from the verses sum, “a, f, yas, I, t, eB, t, s” = 127, you get 4,771. Finally, when you add 3 to this number as the three strokes it takes to make the "circle squared in its failure" this gives the final sum of 4,774, my birthdate as 4/7/1974 = 4/7/74 = 4774. 4774 symmetrized together is the glyph in my avatar. That is "the key of it all." There, that's pretty simple, and not a muddle at all. As to the meaning of this glyph and all that, well I'm writing a book now and will post a new thread about it eventually. I don't want to hijack this thread or contribute to it overly, as it was not mine to begin with.

It is a crowned pentagram and also the visual formula of "love under will" for starters, where the trident above is Will, 4 is will (I especially like the number 444 as Will), and the 7s below (7 being Venus) is Love. When you interpret 4 as Chesed and 7 as Netzach you get the image of the beautiful, blue sky above and the emerald green earth below. I think it may apparently sum or Seal the magickal universe, like what the grand equation of physics was trying to do.


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18/03/2020 6:16 am  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

Your words sound so factual above that I must state that not everyone believes Achad was the true "one" or "child" mentioned in the Book of Law, since I for one do not.

It is my professional opinion, as the high and holy pontiff of a Council of One (maybe more) that Achad was the "one" who provided the "key" to "AL" which AC said he had not considered before, and light shown down upon them all in tears of joy.

Later, after Achad took 10=1 and started giving orders (!) to Therion 9=2, of course Therion changed his mind.

After ANYONE was praised by Crowley, the chances were about 90% in favor of them falling out and being chased by Crowley's poison pen.

I completely understand that other folks have other opinions about everything. They have that right (to form their own opinion) according to some place in the scriptures under discussion. I am merely reciting the original, uncut, party line, which makes all kinds of sense as originally stated and Qabalized.

Until this legend is proven to be false, or misinterpreted, or superseded by some new Magus in town, I guess I'll still keep citing it that way. I am open to any alternative viewpoint that makes sense, and has some form of proof or self-embedded token of veracity.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

'indwells us'

He invoked Thoth. Thoth moved in and took over (the/their) bodies. This is the full intent of invocation. The tone of shock or being stunned is interesting. I wonder if any libationary material was involved ... I don't recall any reference to such during the Cairo phase.

 


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18/03/2020 7:25 am  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

I'll try to look out for it. I saw a bit about your English number code order being based on the grid of III:47, which it is common knowledge came much later than the initial reception.

You must have me confused with someone else. I recently posted a document on this site that provides a working introduction to the system I am using; the document is The Thelemites Guide To Magical Alphabets; the alphabet is the Tri-key. The document noted details a mathematical solution to the II:76 puzzle that is unequaled, and has no rational explanation. I deliberately left out certain details of the solution in order to prove a solution can be largely mathematical, and not have to rely on the typical ideological gematria equations that are so loathed by the critics of gematria.

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I thus usually throw all solutions based on the grid out on that basis alone, but I will still take a look. You should know you have an uphill battle when basing anything on what Crowley drew upon the original manuscript years after the fact!

I was also skeptical the grid has any meaning, but I was proven wrong. I have solutions to all of the encrypted verses of the Book of the Law, over 20 of them, which is essential if a solution to II:76, or any other verse, is to be taken seriously.

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Correct me if I'm wrong about your solution being derived in some manner from the grid though.

Incorrect. The II:76 puzzle is multi-dimensional, and contains quite a lot of information, which makes it difficult, if not inaccurate, to describe a complete understanding of it a solution. One of the purposes it serves is to identify the person meant to solve it, which is the sole purpose of verse III:47.

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18/03/2020 2:44 pm  

@michael-staley

It is interesting that I read Mr. Staley's comment regarding Frater Achad's papers and the Mahaguru of the Universal Brotherhood, just having read that afternoon two days ago an essay by a  Frater Taos, "Charles Stansfeld Jones and the Universal Brotherhood" as found in the Caliphate OTO's "Festschrift in Honor of Hymenaeus Beta" called "Success Is Your Proof: One Hundred Years of OTO in North America"....which has some merit besides introducing a word for German tradition of celebrating academic work....

One being that your query concerning Achad's papers is answered by Frater Taos who states that the issue of a contents of a collection Kayser's turning up on e-bay, and where apparently Taos was one of the people who questioned the sellers about the contents, letters and content of the Universal Brotherhood from 1910-1970 and where he says that a 'substantial amount' was bought by the OTO(c) and in their archives.

Jones is featured in several other essays, including one I intend to read next is ~ "Bizarre Sons- Charles Stansfeld Jones and Malcolm Lowrey" by M. Dionysius Rogers.

Another of interest is an essay entitled "The Alpha and Omega of Initiation: Aleister Crowley, Charles Stansfeld Jones and the Way of Duplexity" by AISh MLChMH which I can not help but think of the last word as 'duplicity', but hey a bit of dyslexia. for the subject concerns a blending of A A and OTO, and is in my estimation perhaps relevant to issues expressed in print by J. Edward Cornelius and the issue of A A lineages....

Frankly. I am glad that encomium is available, though a portrait on the inside cover reveals the visage of what looks like a frightened child wrapped up in used oversized garments from a painting portraying AC..in the same symbolic garments....

Yes I am looking forward Starfire's latest offering concerning yet unpublished correspondence of Achad's  evolving Magickal explorations, for many years now indeed...ever since the evolving explorations of facets of Achad's work evolved through Mt. Grant's have been an inspiration... and relative to the issue of this thread.....to which prosaic solutions promised by RTC perhaps...do not obviate the inspired current...of, the  silent word....!

93

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18/03/2020 2:53 pm  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

an essay entitled "The Alpha and Omega of Initiation: Aleister Crowley, Charles Stansfeld Jones and the Way of Duplexity" by AISh MLChMH which I can not help but think of the last word as 'duplicity', but hey a bit of dyslexia.

Or insight?


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18/03/2020 3:10 pm  
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

an essay entitled "The Alpha and Omega of Initiation: Aleister Crowley, Charles Stansfeld Jones and the Way of Duplexity" by AISh MLChMH which I can not help but think of the last word as 'duplicity', but hey a bit of dyslexia.

Or insight?

Yes a bit of both!


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18/03/2020 5:42 pm  

@shiva

Maybe not libations as such...!, but I do have a vague but distinct memory of C.F. Russell (fr. Genesthai) implying that AC was heavily into Anhalonium Lewinii (AL - geddit?) during the Cairo working in the biographical Znus Is Zneez (spelling?)

I don't have a copy to hand, could someone confirm/deny? (Lutz?) - Myself, I'd always assumed that Liber AL (like some of the other Holy Books) were the 'product' of both smoked and ingested cannabis indica - not completely unlike the Burroughs process for channeling Naked Lunch.

Mind you, getting baked could easily explain why Liber 333 'time-travelled' into 1913... ;0-)

93'z et al,

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18/03/2020 6:14 pm  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

After the dust settles around here I will begin my own threads with my own solutions to III:73, II:76, and III:47

I look forward to them. If you have time, have a look at my Base 26 thread in the Qabalah section and tell me what you think. The OP is a bit rambling but the "infographics" I posted later should make it a bit easier to understand.

Posted by: @wizardiaoan

this gives the final sum of 4,774

You've probably already noticed this, 47 + 74 = 121. 🙂

 

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Serial English (A-Z = 1-26)

My "thing" is A-Z = 0-25 as it allows me to mess around in base 26, but I have found some interesting things with A=1 also.


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18/03/2020 6:31 pm  

A=0 seems wrong- maybe base 27 is what you want, so A can =1?

Me, i do not gemate or numerol (are those the correct verbs?)

My objections to numerology/gematria are threefold:

  1. the "all numbers are infinite" thing- so abrogate, numerology/gematria;
  2. bad at arithmetic;
  3. the sheer cruelty of it- does no one ever consider how the numbers feel?

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18/03/2020 6:55 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

A=0 seems wrong- maybe base 27 is what you want, so A can =1?

I have also wondered about this, and have done some experiments. I'll post my base 27 infographic here too:

This could be telling us that base 27 is the way to go, but then we have that annoying extra character and the "English Alphabet" that we have been "thou shalt"-ed to "obtain" only has 26.

A case for A=0 could be made, the Tarot starts with 0 so maybe the English alphabet should too ("are they not the Ox, and none by the Book?"), W, X, Y, and Z being applied to the four suits (just speculating). Also "Sacrifice cattle" with "A" being an "ox". 🙂 


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18/03/2020 8:30 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

A=0 seems wrong- maybe base 27 is what you want, so A can =1?

Only Nothing can equal zero. Anything else is a curse like a letter or a piece of pie cannot equal zero and actually fly.

Yes, yes, the Roman Numeral Zero (which does not exist) has been applied to Atu O, whose letter is A and has previously always been the standard for the number 1. But then the Fool is empty-headed, like a Zen Master, but his number is still 1 when doing math and clever QBL tricks.

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the "English Alphabet" that we have been "thou shalt"-ed to "obtain" only has 26.

Speak for yerself John Duck. "Thou shalt obtain ..." was a command directed at Aleister Perdurabo, not "we."  "We" are instructed by AC to read AL and apply any instructions one feels apply to themselves, to themselves. You are not insane or misdirected if you choose to obtain the Inglish aplhabeta, and go about applying new symbols. However. "I" have not been so thou-shalted. There is an exception or two to every thou-shalt.

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A case for A=0 could be made, the Tarot starts with 0 so maybe the English alphabet should too

Nothing can be counted as Zero. All others pay cash, starting at $0.01, which is "A" penny. I reject the Case A=0 in numerology. Move on to the appeals court if you feel you've been cheated or slandered.

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(just speculating)

Speculation precedes having to wear glasses.

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18/03/2020 9:02 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

However. "I" have not been so thou-shalted. There is an exception or two to every thou-shalt.

We've all been "thou shalt-ed", some of us choose to be "thou shalt-ed" to follow someone else's "thou shalt-ed"-ness (in your case AC's). Nothing wrong with that, for me the "solutions" to the alphabet stuff so far have not been completely satisfactory, so this process continues for me. If the alphabet stuff doesn't bother you, then good, its one less thing to worry about.

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I reject the Case A=0 in numerology

The Trigrammaton system has I=0 instead. The fool is both "1" and "0" (or "ON" and "OFF") at the same time, I guess ("My prophet is a fool with his one, one, one..."). You could get into "quantum stuff" here like "Qubits". If "A" is not zero, I think we still need something to represent zero.


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18/03/2020 10:19 pm  
Posted by: @herupakraath

You must have me confused with someone else. I recently posted a document on this site that provides a working introduction to the system I am using; the document is The Thelemites Guide To Magical Alphabets; the alphabet is the Tri-key. The document noted details a mathematical solution to the II:76 puzzle that is unequaled, and has no rational explanation. I deliberately left out certain details of the solution in order to prove a solution can be largely mathematical, and not have to rely on the typical ideological gematria equations that are so loathed by the critics of gematria.

Apologies, I was going by your post midway down on this thread: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/biography/cairo-1904-looking-for-information/paged/3/ .

I searched here both in documents and downloads but do not see it, perhaps you could direct me to it?


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18/03/2020 10:26 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Only Nothing can equal zero. Anything else is a curse like a letter or a piece of pie cannot equal zero and actually fly.

Posted by: @duck

If "A" is not zero, I think we still need something to represent zero.

Quite right, Duck. 'A' needn't equal zero in the sense the "is" of identity anymore than '0'=0. (In logical/philosophical discourse we use single quotes to mention, rather than use a syntactic string.) It's merely a sign we linguistic beings use to denote something. Now, what that denoted something is (if it is anything at all) when it comes to numbers is a matter of ontological debate -- it is at least a far from settled matter from the perspective of the philosophy and ontology of mathematics. For instance, if one likes abstract particulars, they may like their numbers to exist in Plato's heaven, as it were; or they may prefer sets (zero is the empty set) as the numerical inhabitants of Plato's heaven. Others shun abstract particulars altogether and instead think of numbers as, say, abstractions from physical magnitudes. There are other theories of course, but this short look should suffice. 


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19/03/2020 12:55 am  
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Posted by: @wizardiaoan

After the dust settles around here I will begin my own threads with my own solutions to III:73, II:76, and III:47

I look forward to them. If you have time, have a look at my Base 26 thread in the Qabalah section and tell me what you think. The OP is a bit rambling but the "infographics" I posted later should make it a bit easier to understand.

I looked at your thread but I don't quite have the time for that right now. One post said that with your method "ba" = 26, does "ab" also equal 26?

There is an alternative to your base method which gives every word a unique number when arranging them alphabetically. Here AB would be 27, AC is 28, etc. By this method the word ALL = 1000, which is interesting. I call this order the "Word Generator."

I generally do not like codes that skew the simple A=1, Z= 26 order, moving it in either direction by 1 or 2. I have my views on gematria which I call grammatometria "the measure of the letters," and will start a thread on that eventually perhaps. 

The are four main orders every alphabet order will possess, and it is my rule that there is only one correct alphabet order for any given language. They are 0-9 Serial, 1-9 Metric, Serial, and Metric. The first repeats 1234567890 and is based upon the last digit of the Serial order, the second repeats 123456789 and is based on the first digit of the Metric order, the Serial order is just serial progressing number, and the Metric order is that like Hebrew and Greek are usually numbered. Using the Serial and Metric order HRVPRKRTh = 121, 1111, my key 47+74 numbers.

Once you have the one alphabet order for a language I think it is serially correlated to the Tarot by place value. For instance Key XIV The Archer = Sagitarrius = 15, 60 = O in English, Xi in Greek, Samech in Hebrew, N in Sanskrit, and the Elhaz/Algiz rune.

My new magickal order "The Nu Abrahadabra" uses this serial degree system based upon the Tarot and the magickal alphabets as its initiatory degrees. Everyone automatically joins it from birth, we all begin in the 1º as The Fool. This is early baby type childhood, the 2º of the Magus is the youngish playful boy and girl, and the 3º The High Priestess is generally when you hit puberty and become sexually active. From there on it gets less automatic and up to the attainment progression of the individual.

This same model can be put on the evolution of the planet, where 1º is formation of planet, 2º is when life originates, and the 3º is the Cambrian explosion. The 4º as Venus is when life moves onto earth, the 5º is when we come down from the trees, and the 6º is when we discover fire, etc.

This system moves up the Tree of Life grades and is in complete accord with it. The 20º of the Sun is at the Chesed level, then the 21º and the 22º is the crossing of the abyss experience. I'll write on this as well eventually, I enjoy the symbolism that is woven together by it.


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19/03/2020 1:31 am  
Posted by: @wizardiaoan

One post said that with your method "ba" = 26, does "ab" also equal 26?

In my method A=0 and B=1, so "BA" is 1 in the 26 column and 0 in the digits column (like in decimal "10" has 1 in the 10s column and 0 digits). So, AB would just be "01" (1 with a leading zero). With this method the cipher of II:76 adds up to 376 (interestingly enough 220 + 156), and the decimal number "376" deciphers to "OM" in base 26, which you could call a "glad word". 🙂 

edit: here are the "quacky" infographics:

 

In the alternate method we get 286 = LA (another nice word to get considering it could have just given us gibberish).


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19/03/2020 2:02 am  
Posted by: @duck

to follow someone else's "thou shalt-ed"-ness

Aha Now we come to True Inner Confessions of a "Follower."

I could point out how this leads to problems like insanity, fanaticism, and/or obsessionism, but it's so obvious that I'll let it slide ... this time.

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(in your case AC's)

Huh? I am a member of The Aleister Crowley Society because I was once somewhat familiar with his work. All of us, at that time and in that space, took it seriously that "Frater Perdurabo does not want followers. He wants independent ..."

In my case, I left AC in the ashes of Solar Lodge and moved on to the monasteries of the Transhimalayan White Brotherhood. No "thou shalts" there, and they considered Crowley a bit too sexual.

In my case, I was formally graduated from Transhimalaya and moved on to someone and something that seems to have transcended both of those complimentary systems. The funny thing is, this phase was initiated by II:76. (Tremendous applaus, cheering, booing, and Shinola-throwing erupts in the Holy Hall of Here-and-Now-dom).

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Nothing wrong with that

If "that" involves adopting some of AL's "thou shalts," you are correct. Please do not interpret my remarks or my stance as saying, "Thou shalt not never avoid no thou shalts if they appeal to your sense of destiny or duty." I didn't ever never noway say that.

In plain speak, I meant to imply that there is a certain inner thou-shalt control tower, and it overrides anybody else's directives. This phenomenon is found in the Ashram just upstarirs from the one I previously referred you to. It is Cibit 5.5, called Radio. If someone's radio is not turned on, and properly tuned, they must follow the best Guidelines available in their vicinity.

Anyone with www connectivity now has access to a really wide vicinity.

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the alphabet stuff doesn't bother you, then good, its one less thing to worry about.

Oh. heavens, and the pit of The Great Best. The alpha stuuf doesn't bother me, and your worries can all be dispersed by doing 26 banishing rituals and sending me the change, in cash. You shalt also send an equal amount to LAShTAL for hosting all this nonsense.

QBL is a tool that is to be used to Order One's Mind. I fell into the habit, long ago (measured in decades), of running a constant numerology game in my mentat.

There is the full-scale, entry-level Qabalah, based on Hebrew letters and English equivalents, and interpretation depends on having a Table of Correspondences, such as 777 and Sepher sephiroth. This is both thebig league and the system used to program the limbic brain, so that it has a stable database. This is the Bennett-Crowley database, which is probably the biggest and best availablle in the western culture. It would confuse a Tibetan lama who has a different database.

Middle range QBL is 0-21 or 1-22, and includes other similar things like 1-25, its variant 0-25, or anything up to, say, the 30 AEthyrs.

When the going gets tough on the physical plane, one can always shift down into 9-wheel drive, the QBL of Nine, or 1-9. There are really only nine numbers. Any number, name, person, or address can be quickly boiled down to a single number between one and nine, so one knows what one is dealing with .

One level of my mentat revels in this stuff all the time, so I'm not bothered by any of it.

Carry on.

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I think we still need something to represent zero.

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It is my thought that the Solution will be sharp and clear, "sublimely simple."

It is also my thought that the Solution will indicate the "Power and Authority" of the Author of the Book of the Law as well as the Spiritual Genius of the One who reveals it.

And it is ALSO my thought that the above can only manifest from an astoundingly delivered MS unmolested by the highly questionable and fiddling hand of one...

...Aleister Crowley.


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19/03/2020 3:09 am  
Posted by: @shiva

Aha Now we come to True Inner Confessions of a "Follower."

🙄

More misunderstandings about misunderstandings it seems. "Follow" can just mean "be influenced by" or "learn something from". By now I have figured out from your posts you aren't a "follower" in the sense of a dumbass disciple. Everything "follows" from something else, its how the universe works (if only there was a word for it... something beginning with... t...? I forget 😊 ).

By saying you were following AC, here I presumed that you agreed that AC had sorted the "alphabet stuff" out to your satisfaction and you needn't "worry" about it. And that's perfectly OK, but for some of us it hasn't been satisfactorily "obtained", and I'm not here to "dissatisfy" anyone with their own personal "alphabet stuff".

Posted by: @shiva

Please do not interpret my remarks or my stance as saying, "Thou shalt not never avoid no thou shalts...[etc]

I think I've read enough of your posts by now to understand that you're not some kind of "Thelemic fundamentalist preacher" and kind of "get" your way of saying things (at first I didn't).

I read your Ashram 5.6 and the rest of the 5th Ray page, and will read the whole thing soon. I used to read the RAW/Leary "circuit stuff" as a dumb "kid", and understand it better now. Your page may be a quicker way to "get" it for me than their books.

Your 26 "banishing rituals" are something to think about. For me, learning about the 26 "runes" of the English Alphabet is an ongoing process, maybe "invoking" them in turn is a possibility. There are threads to be made on the English Alphabet if my communication skills develop.

Posted by: @shiva

QBL is a tool that is to be used to Order One's Mind

This is one (important) way to look at it. But here it may be good that sometimes some new "ducky" posters come here to "quack" new things. Another way to look at it is as a way to mess around with numbers/words to the point where the rational mind "crashes" like a computer and you see things as they are. I occasionally get short "bursts" of this. All the numbers connect up to each other and their sum total is "nothing", and the whole "network" you build up in your head is revealed as empty.

Posted by: @shiva

The Tao that can be defined is not the real Tao

And neither is what you just said.

😜

And maybe this statement was the last "blind" of the prankster Taoist. Some of us are "wacky" (and quacky) enough to believe that it could be defined and sometimes is.


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19/03/2020 3:12 am  
Posted by: @duck

Some of us are "wacky" (and quacky) enough to believe that it could be defined and sometimes is.

The Heart Sutra says that Form is Void but Void is (also) Form. 


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19/03/2020 4:21 am  

@kidneyhawk

Well said. The "thing" being talked about and the "talking" itself are both made out of the same "stuff".

 


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19/03/2020 5:52 am  
Posted by: @duck

some new "ducky" posters come here to "quack" new things.

I see nothing wrong with that.

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mess around with numbers/words to the point where the rational mind "crashes" like a computer and you see things as they are.

Yes, this is the "Crash and Burn" method which leads to a mental breakdown (legal) or a mental breakdown (mystical), the latter being preferable to the former.

Posted by: @duck

All the numbers connect up to each other and their sum total is "nothing", and the whole "network" you build up in your head is revealed as empty.

Zen numerology. Very good.

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And maybe this statement was the last "blind" of the prankster Taoist. Some of us are "wacky" (and quacky) enough to believe that it could be defined and sometimes is.

Actually, it is the first line of the first verse of the first chapter of the Tao Teh Ching.

You just described a personal revelation of Zen Numerological Emptiness, a flash of Satori ... then you want to define it. You may not pass on to the next pile-on. You need to sit with this paradox for a while.

However, if you do define the supreme ultimate, you can skip the pile-ons and move to the finish line ... which is mysteriously painted at the end of something that looks like The edge of the Grand Canyon at night.

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