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26/03/2020 7:41 pm  

Raptor Lam XV yolk bags


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26/03/2020 7:47 pm  

@faustian

This syncs up with the recent discussion on "MANIO" and its anagrams on Mr Staley's thread:

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/forums-people/the-incoming-of-the-aeon-of-maat-publication-update

 


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26/03/2020 8:18 pm  
Posted by: @faustian

מקור ההר

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Raptor Lam XV yolk bags

I believe lashtal guidelines require posts to be in English, and i believe there is a strong preference for actually comprehensible English, perhaps ordered in sentences. Although given the enthusiasm that often greets faustian's gnomic posts, i may be mistook here.

Speaking of "XV yolk bags", here is a nice recipe.

If you prepared this recipe while on the run from The Man, using falcon eggs, you would have some fine "raptor lam XV yolk bags".


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26/03/2020 8:24 pm  

@ignant666 "4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L" is technically not English. If you rearrange the letters as "raptor lam XV yolk bags", it's a tad more English than the former. 

 

 


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26/03/2020 8:52 pm  
Posted by: @faustian

a tad more English

Who could disagree? And thanx for explaining. I  hope you like the recipe for "XV yolk bags", it is delish.

And the Hebrew one? Google Translate informs me this means "the source of the mountain", which is less than clear to me, in itself, or in context. 


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26/03/2020 10:16 pm  

93!

I have to admit this all goes a little over my head. I just want to say that I always thought if there is a solution to II:76 it must be more than convincing. I mean, how lame would it be to show that the letters add up to 93 or to 418 or whatever? So I have to give credit to RTC that his "solution" at least SOLVES many things, IF you buy into RTC's agenda, that is. But it is a lot more than only qabalistic meddling, it makes sense, in its unique way. Only 5 more days to speak openly about it but - as I have said before - even if I don't think RTC is right at all, his "solution" makes much more sense than any other I have seen before. Sometimes I wish he would be right because it would make so much things easier. Alas, I think he is not. But: Numerology won't beat him.

All the best

Love=Law

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26/03/2020 10:33 pm  
Posted by: @threefold31

And the text of AL is unambiguous as to who will obtain the order and value. It was and is the Prophet. 

In every other language—Hebrew, Greek, Latin, and Runes—it is the normal alphabet order that has been used to derive the alphanumeric codes people have used to number their language.

Now we come to English and the Book of Law verse II:55 where it says "Thou shalt obtain the order and value of the English alphabet." Due to this one passage instead of pursuing the natural qabalah that derives from its common order (A=1, Z=26 and A=1, Z=800), people have dreamt all kinds of wild number codes up in an unprecedented fashion, largely without bothering to see how they in turn number other languages like Hebrew and Greek. For you see the Metric order where A = 1 and Th = 400 in the case of Hebrew and O = 800 in the case of Greek is the same code to number both languages. This can be, though was not historically, applied to Runes and Latin as well, and also to English. Yet no one works with it too much, haha, it's counterintuitive.

Do you know how I deal with this in my magickal child proofs? It is simply to note that "Thou" may not refer to Crowley here, as may not other parts of the Book of Law where "Thou" or "prophet" are used. It may be trick wording. "Thou shalt obtain the order and value of the English alphabet" is talking to the magickal child, not Crowley. Your sole point that binds you to Liber Trigrammaton is not really one at all. [I obtained the Serial number code of English from David Hulse's The Key of It All series when first released in 1994, and had a Book of Numbers for it by 1995. I went on to number the entire text of the Book of Law in 1996.]

It is reasonable to assume that the magickal child may indeed be secretly spoken to in the cryptic text that is the Book of Law. The "Thou shalt obtain" verse has worked wonders as a blind to keep people from using the common order of the English alphabet, and this I believe is what it was meant to do.

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I have an update on my release. I will not be able to offer my Prelude completely, but rather am breaking it up into two parts and will release the first part on 4/7 if possible or on 4/19 at the latest. The first part covers the magickal understanding I arrived at by the year ~2000, and then the second will be 2000-present. The second part's information would have been too hard for me to eloquently weave together in that short of a timespan. Perhaps 7/4 for the entire Prelude I promised, but the first part does cover my II:76 and III:47 solutions, so there is a lot there.


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26/03/2020 11:07 pm  

@the_real_simon_iff - "SOLVES many things [...] Alas, I think he is not"

- How can something solve, yet be wrong?  What do you want?  🙃 

 


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27/03/2020 12:45 am  
Posted by: @threefold31

He obviously gave them a new order, and he did assign values. They're encoded in the trigrams. 

That has always been my perception as well. I mean, I read Trigrammaton and it was written by AC Even he admitted it was "unsatisfactory," but he did follow his orders. With the foundation in place, this allows anyone to test drive it, maybe fiddle with the engine or the suspension. If their version actually runs, then they can explain it to us idiots.

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27/03/2020 1:26 am  

As its relevant to II:76 I'll post this here as well:

Something my slow brain only just noticed:

The sum of digits of the cipher (4+6+3+8+2+4+3+2+4+8+9) = 53

Number of letters of the cipher = 19

53 + 19 = 72, the "Shemhamphorasch"

For me, suggesting that the whole "72-fold Name" may be "encoded" in the cipher, somehow.

 

an update:

418 - 53 = 365


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27/03/2020 7:38 am  

RTC: " – Fear not, my brethren, the Magickole Hair is amongst you.

The Horus Toy™ can indeed manifest a transient version of reality in which Coronavirus is absent.  However, the ‘ripple’ will soon fall back to flat under the collective sensory gravity of everyone else on the planet (as with all paranormal occurrences)." (Source: "Various II:76 Cipher solutions...", page 17 - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/various-ii76-cipher-solutions/paged/17/#post-105241 )

The Church of Scientology – by some described as the bastard child of Aleister Crowley's Thelema – presents itself with words like "A ripple in the fabric of our UNIVERSE Eternity itself UNVEILED [...] You think time is behind you? Have another thought. Look ahead. There's ETERNITY! ..." (source: "Scientology: A Monumental Decade in Review 2010-2020" - - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw0TXgHVHrc ). And Chairman of the Board of the Religious Technology Center & ecclesiastical leader of the Scientology religion, David Miscavige, on November 17, 2013, at the inauguration of the Flag Building at the Scientology spiritual headquarters in Clearwater, Florida, used the following words:

"“Although we have cut a lot of ribbons in recent years and many more are pendulously waiting for their day, this one is special—because this is the one that stretches from eternity to infinity, [...] When it falls, it will ripple through the very fabric of reality and thereby announce to the physical universe: Your cathedral has risen and your spiritual headquarters is now open.”" (Source: "ACCOMPLISHMENTS Spiritual Headquarters"  - - - https://www.davidmiscavige.org/accomplishments/scientology-spiritual-headquarters.html )

RTC(@therealrtc), from your unique vantagepoint as "the Magickole Hair" and all that jazz, how does the transient 'ripple' in mundane reality, that can indeed be manifested by your "The Horus Toy™", compare with the ripple through the very fabric of reality mentioned above, by what some describe as the bastard child of Aleister Crowley's Thelema, the Church of Scientology???


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27/03/2020 11:40 am  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

the transient 'ripple' in mundane reality, that can indeed be manifested by your "The Horus Toy™"

So you've tested it, have you, wellreadwellbred?


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27/03/2020 1:13 pm  

Time for a "Ripple" break!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=295ayRMwKnA

       "We now return our souls to the creator,
        as we stand on the edge of eternal darkness.
        Let our chant fill the void
        in order that others may know.
        In the land of the night
        the ship of the sun
        is drawn by the grateful dead."          
  
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27/03/2020 1:27 pm  
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@the_real_simon_iff - "SOLVES many things [...] Alas, I think he is not"

- How can something solve, yet be wrong?  What do you want?  🙃 

 

93, RTC.

As we all have to deduce past "facts" from the present interpretation of evidence avalable as yet, there are many solutions possible that solve different problems (as we are told in this very thread), yours of course included.

Love=Law

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27/03/2020 4:41 pm  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

The Church of Scientology – by some described as the bastard child of Aleister Crowley's Thelema

"Some" have their cranium inserted up their alimentary canal.

 


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27/03/2020 10:25 pm  
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The Church of Scientology – by some described as the bastard child of Aleister Crowley's Thelema

I have not come across this sentiment expressed in this manner anywhere else, other than your one above now, well.  While not necessarily disagreeing with it, would you please care to give a couple of examples which illustrate exactly just how this might be so?

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27/03/2020 10:36 pm  

Isn't Wicca Thelema's bastard child, with Scientology some kind of burglar in the family home?


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27/03/2020 10:51 pm  

@faustianexactly on point – ...really?... Yawn...

@shivacranium inserted up their alimentary canal. – Is that the technical definition of a Scientologist?

@wellreadwellbred – In the context of your quote, it sounds like we are talking about the same thing. It’s useful to visualise the effect as akin to dropping a (Magickal) pebble onto the flat surface (reality) of water.  The impact creates increasingly severe distortions generating a water-column topped by a discrete droplet – This sphere, now wholly separate from the body of water, is the supernatural event.  Eventually, gravity (global expectations) calm ripples back to flat, but for the duration of the incident anything trapped in that droplet, that massively warped version of ‘normality,’ is stuck there.  Perhaps Scientologists are all tossing Magickal pebbles into the world-pond in hope of manifesting a self-sustaining, chain-reaction ripple?

X word2

@the_real_simon_iff – “I wish he would be right because it would make so much things easier”- As you note, my solution... solves! It makes far more sense than Crowley’s fiction and also dovetails seamlessly with the alternate timeline presented in Liber Bogus (based on surviving historical records).  Why do you have so much resistance to a simple truth, in preference to a demonstrably ludicrous fiction? Just relax and let the Magickole Hair Flow do its Horus thing... 🖐️

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27/03/2020 11:03 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

Isn't Wicca Thelema's bastard child, with Scientology some kind of burglar in the family home?

I second the nomination, because that's a very good lineological definition.

Posted by: @therealrtc

Is that the technical definition of a Scientologist?

It is a label Attached to the "some," who thinks Scientology was born out of Thelema ... except for the stolen Parsons' cash. But that's a matter for the FBI, not the Thelemic Ancestral Society. I think Ignant phrased it correctly.

 


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28/03/2020 12:43 am  
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Posted by: @therealrtc

@the_real_simon_iff - "SOLVES many things [...] Alas, I think he is not"

- How can something solve, yet be wrong?  What do you want?  🙃 

 

93, RTC.

As we all have to deduce past "facts" from the present interpretation of evidence avalable as yet, there are many solutions possible that solve different problems (as we are told in this very thread), yours of course included.

Love=Law

Lutz

 

Yes a detective who has been around the block is needed here, eh Iff

And yes I will note with two ff, for indeed the real detective was definitive

no ifs or plenty of!

Well as a game, lets capitalize for emphasis

that one F is different than two F's 

or bring it down to sized ff

ether way what does it sound like?

or maybe the old hounds synesthesia might detect an odor

how inconvenient Ouarda heard voices

instead of the violet hue of the slyphs

 

So speaking of sylabants 

how does one pronounce your name

The Real one with two ff

sounds like effs or ephs

and now before we know it we got p's and h's 

and esses and all sorts of 

spelling bees a buzzing

did you hear that Iff?

 

 

If not then write it down

what?

Write down your name

not the toy name (we shall talk about toys later or go listen to Ripple)

the magical one, but of course toy names are magical names are

they not, just ask Lutz...which might be LVTZ for fourfold words

but will sink...

 

What did you say?... that ff sounds like k when you say it?

Kafka makes for great Corona Virus reading or toilet paper

but k does not cut it hear, here

when it is silent

so is that with an r or an a

are we hearing things or just seeing something

silent, letters are dark so we can see them...

 

And is not into the silence a detective goes

that is the magik al nome I refer,  but not as if

but as Iff

with two ff's because it was an act of magiff

but trust me my analogy is wrong

how do you you pronounce your name

and is it a prophetic announcement

or in disguise to survive through the folk folly

here hear here

 

Well here is whom I am trying to determine

for by detective in name or real

Iff seems iffy and that is why it comes of use

because that is why no ifs ands or certainly...buts

 

For a reference to a magial alphabet would

be through the I

we want to know

ourselves

and when the Law is

Do what thou wilt

then thou

 

words formed from yolk 

and now we get into 

the birds and the bees

which is more about spelling

as the wonder of nature

 

so this is just a hint

right detective

an Easter Egg hunt 

or

and we are all April's Fools

 

\ There is an angle to this 

but L if something so simple

there are a few more days

Though,

I will say came to me

in Ano 93

to mark the Aeon an auspicious number

that the reference made requires silence

 

for we must be our own detectives

that is why I do float with ducks when considering 

the multiplicities of solutions that might float one's duck 

so to speak

and that is what is important 

even if we might be wrong

or that we might evolve or devolve to 

come to grok some other approach 

 

or who cares, or go take the throne of having shit thrown at you

another one of those letters.

Crowley did put Trigrammaton upon the queue of Comment for L. II v 55

was with an asterix (spelling please) of sorts

that I interpret as Crowley understood that the correct answer

would elicit derision, requiring thus

the retort of II. 56

 

I am glad that it is someone with the name Leo

Gilles who should so in the cause of the Great Work

I so surmise, for congratulations of the publication of

The Book of Mutations: The Qabalah of Trigrammaton 

in print, and I do remember perhaps your websites on the

subject quite amazing

but of mocking reception 

not from my estimation

thanks....

 

this letter became my breakfast this morning, 

and serves perhaps as a strange prelude

 

I have welcomed the thread if that it has piqued a curiosity 

and challenge as RTC's Liber L Bogus serves as

More evidence please, and thus the invocation of a detective

might be,

 

For L II 76 I never have figured out, but something seems to be

emerging, and in a certain collective sense that requires

poetry, verse and curses

absurd or  holy play 

on words...or letters no less,

I do believe the "Prophet" 

it can be argued, but rather presented 

an approach with a simple

mathematic

but found kissing art and poetry

glad that ducks and others are playing in puddles of water Happy

and as the river by that name and Pi

Pie

a piece of the pie 

the moon this eve was of a sliver

I am beckoned to greet the eve 

after dinner

for the Great Work

Fall to

93

 

93/93

 

HG

 

 

 

 

 


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28/03/2020 8:52 pm  
"Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

The Church of Scientology – by some described as the bastard child of Aleister Crowley's Thelema".

JJB: "I have not come across this sentiment expressed in this manner anywhere else, other than your one above now, well.  While not necessarily disagreeing with it, would you please care to give a couple of examples which illustrate exactly just how this might be so?"

Mea culpa, I should have added the word unintended, and instead have written; "by some described as the unintended bastard child of Aleister Crowley's Thelema".

I was using the term "bastard child" as synonymous with "(unintended) by-blow of", or as synonymous with "(unintended) byproduct of", or as synonymous with "(unintended) side effect of", that is, unintended by AC. (But maybe not unintended by Aiwass???  😉 🤔   )

"by-blow         n[oun].      #  dated[.]" (Source: "46 bastard child synonyms - Other words for bastard" - - - https://www.powerthesaurus.org/bastard_child/synonyms )


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28/03/2020 10:57 pm  

@ignant666

 

That made me laugh my ass off.

 

You are smart when you want to be.

 

My correspondent friend lives on Long Island, Peter Moon. 

 

Ex Scientologist. 

 

It all fits together.  RE Hubbard, Parsons, Crowley, Power, etc. 

 

 


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30/03/2020 2:36 am  

@therealrtc

Hey Richard, 93.

I am looking forward to your publication. Will it be very different from the preview I obtained? I am working on my commentary but of course I will wait for the final product. I have one question: do you happen to have an exact date for when AC changed the letters in the riddle?

Thanks in advance

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30/03/2020 3:26 am  

I'm not a scientologist, but I have read the books, and I have never seen a more brilliant application of hypnosis via the written word than Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. Harlan Ellison had a story about the creation of the germ of scientology as a conspiracy between Lester del Rey and other members of the Hydra Club, though LAShTAL readers will probably find a different avenue of belief as to the origin of the religion.

I know the average Thelemite grapples direly with their black schooling, as the average person is given to limpdicked moralizing, but if you can wire into a whiter trip and feel just once what Werner Herzog ignorantly calls 'the bliss of evil' then you can probably come to appreciate the life of L. Ron Hubbard.

Of course this can only be done if you divorce your idea of Hubbard from the people who propagate his teachings.

Here's a jazz album he produced through slave labor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wka6ZKUd8WQ


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30/03/2020 11:20 am  

@the_real_simon_iff - It is somewhat different. An additional ten or so pages have been added.

I don't have an exact date, but it's likely that the riddle changed around the time (spring 1906) Jones started getting all leadery. The changes were certainly made by the first (BP) proof.   


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30/03/2020 1:10 pm  

"Isn't Wicca Thelema's bastard child, with Scientology some kind of burglar in the family home?"
https://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos259.htm


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30/03/2020 5:08 pm  

Further thoughts on the Thelemic "family tree": Solar Lodge is the red-headed step-child of Thelema, and the (c)OTO (and its "duplex" "A.. A.'.") are the Tichborn claimant.

I just want to say how sad i will be when this thread moves onto another page, and no longer loads with @faustian's "Raptor Lam XV yolk bags" post at the top. A truly triumphantly strange post, even after it was explained.


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30/03/2020 7:51 pm  

RTC(@therealrtc): " – In the context of your quote, it sounds like we are talking about the same thing. It’s useful to visualise the effect as akin to dropping a (Magickal) pebble onto the flat surface (reality) of water.  The impact creates increasingly severe distortions generating a water-column topped by a discrete droplet – This sphere, now wholly separate from the body of water, is the supernatural event.  Eventually, gravity (global expectations) calm ripples back to flat, but for the duration of the incident anything trapped in that droplet, that massively warped version of ‘normality,’ is stuck there.  Perhaps Scientologists are all tossing Magickal pebbles into the world-pond in hope of manifesting a self-sustaining, chain-reaction ripple?"

 

Suitable location for: "Scientologists [...] tossing Magickal pebbles into the world-pond in hope of manifesting a self-sustaining, chain-reaction ripple?":

 

"NARRATOR: [0:54] In this episode we're going to take you inside Flag, the Church of Scientology's international spiritual headquarters. [...] [1:27] making Scientology's spiritiual technology a physical reality. [...] [...] [5:19] providing [...] the 6000 machined parts of the world's most sophisticated spiritual technology. [...] [26:26] There yet remains a religious service so unique, the very building was specifically designed to accomodate its delivery. This is Super Power!" [Said Super Power is covered from 26:39 to 28:35.]: (Source: "Inside Scientology [| Scientology Network Original Series] sent on 23 April 2018 [...] Flag" - - - https://www.scientology.tv/no/series/inside-scientology/flag.html )

A coincidence I have noticed is that the founder of the Church of Scientology – who had a deep interest in Aleister Crowley's Thelema & Magick – decided that the international spiritual headquarters of his church should be called Mecca. Mecca is indirectly referred to in said Crowley's most holy book for his Thelema, in which with respect to the adherents of the said holy book, sacrilege is commited by redefining the Stele or miniature tomb of one Ancient Egyptian priest named Ankh-f-n-khonsu, into "your Kiblah for ever." (The Book of the Law, III:10). As the Qiblah or the Kiblah in Islam is a marker of some sort to show the direction of Mecca, which is the most holy city for Muslims.

The following source is an example of an official commercial from The Church of Scientology, where its international spiritual headquarters is called Mecca many times: "Scientology Flag - Spiritual Headquarters in Clearwater" - - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3MBY5jot7o&feature=emb_logo


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30/03/2020 7:52 pm  
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Solar Lodge is the red-headed step-child

Yeah, we had a direct link, but it didn't include a written charter, or even a note from the Gr.'. Mas.'. Bapho.'., so by the written rules of Masonry we were illegitimate. After the firestorm of 1969, the "Thelemic 93 Current," or whatever anyone wants to call it, was cut off. It was cut off by words uttered to the guru. She refused to accept that and drug us through a year and a half of Malkuthian cops-and-escapees syndrome.

Immediately after the firestorm and the attempted re-building, followed by our escape from justice, McMurtry (the "coming" Magus) stepped right in and took over. He had a note from the Gr.'. Mas.'. Bapho.'., so he won the prize of "successor," with a clean title. He was from Agape Lodge, so he pretty much ran things like Agape and Solar did.

The next "coming one" changed all that old stuff, rewrote the rules, and set sails into what we know today.

Certain individuals who sailed on the Agape-Solar-McM line survived the assorted explosions, accusations, ether fumes, and alcoholic beverages, were fortunate enough to have garnered a spark of the eternal flame, while it was burning brightly, and continued the work. But always along the lines of the A.'.A.'., because you know, the OTO label is not available any more for public consumption.

Solar Lodge and ElRon's Tong were diametrically-opposed, and if we were countries, a war would have broken out. So much for Universal Brotherhood.

 


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30/03/2020 8:41 pm  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

who had a deep interest in Aleister Crowley's Thelema & Magick

Really? What is your source for alleging this? Passing interest, possibly, in what Parsons had to say. But deep interest? I've come across nothing to suggest that.

 

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

decided that the international spiritual headquarters of his church should be called Mecca. Mecca is indirectly referred to in said Crowley's most holy book for his Thelema

I'd have thought that Hubbard would have used the term in its Islamic context.


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30/03/2020 9:04 pm  

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I am reading a book called 'L Ron Hubbard and the Tao of Insanity' by Peter Moon (very interesting)

who cites multiple biographies on Hubbard, including interviews with his son 'Nibs' (nickname) who stated that his dad (L Ron) had a stack of books on the table one night including BOTL and I believe MITAP (book IV) and was screaming at him that he (the son) 'was nothing but a fart in a hurricane.  I can show you the real Power!  It's in these books which will drive you mad! (because you're weak)'  paraphrase. 


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30/03/2020 9:05 pm  

There are a number of favorable quotes from El-Ron about AC, and MITP, which he had definitely read. This is from The Philadelphia Doctorate Course:

[Crowley] did himself a splendid piece of aesthetics built around those magical cults. It’s very interesting reading to get a hold of a copy of a book—quite rare, but it can be obtained, The Master Therion....He signs himself ‘The Beast.’ The Mark of the Beast, 666.Very, very something or other. . . . Crowley exhumed a lot of the data from these old magic cults. And he, as a matter of fact, handles cause and effect quite a bit. Cause and effect is handled according to a ritual....And that ritual is what you do in order to accomplish this or how you have to go through and how many motions you have to make. . . . [E]ach ritual is a cycle of some sort or another.Now, a magician—getting back to cause and effect and Aleister’s work—a magician postulates what his goal will be before he starts to accomplish what he’s doing. . . . And the magician was very ritualistic and he would very carefully postulate what effect he was trying to achieve before he would be cause for that effect.

See Hugh Urban. The Occult Roots of Scientology? (2012). Nova Religio: The Journal of Alternative and Emergent Religions, 15(3), 91–116. 


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30/03/2020 10:43 pm  

@ignant666

"Raptor Lam XV yolk bags"

"Raptor Lam XV yolk bags"

"Raptor Lam XV yolk bags"

Yes it has a ring to it...

 

Now XV the number of the Atu of A'ain.....O the yolk bags of the Devil !

Or X, the Wheel of Fortune, Kaph and V of course is Vau the Hierophant!

HG


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30/03/2020 10:45 pm  

Thankyou, ignant666. I had not come across that quote.

In this context, it is interesting that in 1969, two journalists from the Sunday Times in the UK located documents in the Gerald Yorke Collection which set out details of the Babalon Working in the mid 1940s which he and Parsons conducted. Their story in the newspaper resulted in the swift threat of legal action from the Church of Scientology. The newspaper backed down, retracted their story, and the papers ralating to the Babalon Working, and other papers relating to people then living, were withdrawn by Yorke from the Warburg, returned on Yorke's death but under a tewenty-five year seal. El Ron was still alive at that time, so seemed rather sensitive by then to any association with Crowley's work.

I'd still take issue with "deep interest", as opposed to "some interest" or "passing interest".


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30/03/2020 11:27 pm  
Posted by: @faustian

Raptor Lam XV yolk bags

Posted by: @faustian

it's a tad more English than the former. 

 

Lam bag XV raptor yolks 

Special instruction for the Mass(Liber XV)


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30/03/2020 11:32 pm  
Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

O the yolk bags of the Devil !

 

Thus me posting a recipe for deviled eggs;

Posted by: @ignant666

Speaking of "XV yolk bags", here is a nice recipe.

If you prepared this recipe while on the run from The Man, using falcon eggs, you would have some fine "raptor lam XV yolk bags".

Re the El-Ron quote: "Very, very something or other..." is pretty good, credit where due. The book he is referring to as The Master Therion is MITP.


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31/03/2020 12:06 am  

@ignant666 - Whoopie!!! Only 7 days to go!!! 😬 


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31/03/2020 2:09 am  
Posted by: @therealrtc

- Whoopie!!! Only 7 days to go!!!

LOL. I count 2.


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31/03/2020 2:14 am  
Posted by: @michael-staley

El Ron was still alive at that time, so seemed rather sensitive

The Church has gone to great lengths to distance itself from Agape Lodge and (especially) Parsons. The legend says that ElRon got Jack to sell the mansion/Lodge and give him the ($28,000) for "their" sailboat business. In Florida, I think. Sailboats were apparently too expensive or too rusty, because none were bought, but ElRon kept the $ anyway while he sat down and wrote Dianetics.

Dianetics was quite popular, and it rolled over into Scientology ("The Study of Science" with a "t," which hints at "scientific." So if that Legend is True, one could see why creating the widest possible abyss between Studying Science and Jack Parsons was the order of the day ... for many days.

P.S. He also stole Jack's girl, thus proving there is no property in human flesh.

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I'd still take issue with "deep interest", as opposed to "some interest" or "passing interest".

Yeah, he just passed through the building, but (as far as I can tell) he never set foot in Saladin's camp, nor did he sign any Oath of Probationer.

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Whoopie!!! Only 7 days to go!!!

Whoops!  Now the calendarian lobe of my brain has twisted in place and is pushing against the sanity lobe.

Today is March 30 (here). It's already March 31 in Jolly Olde.

Tomorrow
is
April 1

Call QBL-11, quick. Maybe the Qabalists can equate the division hither Aprilward, while curing my spiraled hippocampus.

 

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31/03/2020 2:25 am  

@xon the rearranged words work as well...


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31/03/2020 3:07 am  

I recently came across a volume of Hubbard's fiction. His output as a writer is quite impressive and he was, undeniably, a pulp fiction machine. From this grueling career, he was already thinking beyond sales and into the philosophical (see "Typewriter in the Sky"). 

Faustian, you are , indeed, "gnomic." I was intrigued with your recent Mars Face image.

RTC is about to land here on the thread like a bomb. I am hoping we might go full on in the arena without coy suggestions.

May I ask of you: do you feel you've unlocked the riddle? This is a simple yes or no question. I am not asking you to justify it.

I AM, however, asking of you what the Mars Face has to do with it.

I have my own personal reaction to and assessment of RTC's book. I incline toward what our friend Lutz has expressed. But this is an inclination. We are on the verge of Ignant666, at last, being able to read and assess RTC's work.

I expect this thread to blow up.

As a health care worker in this time of Corona Virus, I am enjoying our online dispute. It's a nice diversion from people struggling in the world. I'll participate as I am able. The Corona thread is already rolling. On the frontline of providing service here, it is not an easy task. Theories aside, people need care. This is a real challenge.

I resent all those social media filters which say "I don't get to stay at home...I'm an essential worker." 

There are people "staying at home" because they no longer have work. They aren't on some fucking vacation! They are stressing and don't know how they will provide for their families. I'm one of those who "don't get to stay at home." Am I lucky to be earning a paycheck-or praise worthy for being on the "front line?" 

Politicians, meanwhile, spout shit and try to look good. They need to be taken stock of. Afraid to show up lest they catch cold.

RTC did a good work with his latest. This will provide us with an ongoing debate through April, I am sure.

I was hoping to write a decent review. This would have only really been for the Lashtalians. Shiva. Dom. Etc.

If I am tardy with this, forgive me. I'll try to jump into the post April Fool's Discussion.

I am really looking forward to the Lashtalian response. I am especially looking to hear from Paul (you can't go coy on us here!) and Faustian.

I'll jump back in shortly.

I hope you are all hanging in and doing well!

93, Friends,

Kyle

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31/03/2020 3:30 am  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I expect this thread to blow up.

Other folks have predicted mayhem in the streets, with a date ... now passed past.

I know, an expectation is not a prediction or a prophecy. I'm just pointing out the general concer for the near future.

As to blowups, that would be fun. The Chinese, not long ago, would set off tons of gunpowder in order to frighten away the demons associated with epidemics. It's funny how things get related.

 


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31/03/2020 3:48 am  
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Other folks have predicted mayhem in the streets, with a date ... now passed past.

I know, an expectation is not a prediction or a prophecy. I'm just pointing out the general concer for the near future.

As to blowups, that would be fun. The Chinese, not long ago, would set off tons of gunpowder in order to frighten away the demons associated with epidemics. It's funny how things get related.

I'm not talking about people taking to the streets in arms or other predicted mayhem. I'm talking about RTC's book being available to all and the discussion which will follow. It has has nothing to do with the Chinese setting off gunpowder. It has to do with RTC and a book he wrote and the response of Lashtalians.

"Mayhem in the streets."

Good grief. Since O.T.O., Inc has forbidden comment on Lashtal.com, there is our small group of Freethinkers left to grapple with the topics at hand. 


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31/03/2020 6:39 am  
Posted by: @kidneyhawk

I'm not talking about people taking to the streets in arms or other predicted mayhem.

No, you are not. Your "expectation" of a thread-blow was merely compared to other posters who are predicting doom on a stick in prophetic terms. The common denominator is anticipation  of some event in the immediate future.

The thread-blow was then compared to Chinese epidemic banishing. It's all very loosely, perhaps acausally related.

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Good grief. Since O.T.O., Inc has forbidden comment on Lashtal.com, there is our small group of Freethinkers left to grapple with the topics at hand. 

Good grief.

Actually, some of us have nothing better to do, what with being shut-in and all that, than to defend the forums against Qabalists, Meth Promoters, and Doomsday Prophets (Profits - if you're a Senator), which we tend to do by taking and making everything light (as in humor) or heavy (as in sarcasm). Anytime anything pertains to the future is being examined and critiqued. We are still waiting for doomsday predictions to come true within the timelines established by the prophets.

Say, isn't being a false prophet punishable by stoning?

We are NOT waiting for further adventures in Speedland, because that unfortunate barker of ecstasy got banned. Again.

We are working with the Qabalists on multiple threads, and so far there has been a significantly higher percentage of holy numbers than usual, but no major breakthroughs in solving the mysteries of the universe.

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I'm talking about RTC's book being available to all and the discussion which will follow.

Aha. You see? Future tense. You have the book and therefor have a different viewpoint from those who are waiting in line, listening to the never-ending hype that mercifully has been modulated into brief appearances.

Until we, the others, have access to the book, or at least the pertinent points therein, we have nothing better to do but guard the threads against manipulation by falsehood of the future.

I am certain that the flow of the multilogue will center and assume a proper focus whenever the data is actually available.

I have wondered if the pandemic has slowed delivery of "occult" books. There were other potential delays mentioned by RTC. Now RTC has woven a red flag at Frater Indignant, saying SEVEN DAYS.

Our contract was for one more day from now, pending legiyimate excuses, plus applicable taxes, with interest applied to every LATE DAY. He might have only been tormenting kidding.

 


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31/03/2020 8:03 am  

Liber Bogus if that is one of the books under discussion was even more boring than this thread. It read like a Sotheby’s manual on their clarification of valuation. Exempli gratia At what period the artist used certain pigments and what store they were bought at; in order to calculate art into being. A total waste of time .


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31/03/2020 8:04 am  
Posted by: @therealrtc

Whoopie!!! Only 7 days to go!!! 😬 

You must understand that you're being very cruel to our friend @duck seeing as how the third season of Ducktales premiers on April 4th and you're making him choose between watching it and reading your book.

Posted by: @michael-staley

I'd still take issue with "deep interest", as opposed to "some interest" or "passing interest".

I recall an interview or maybe some text from "Nibs'" biography wherein L Ron Hubbard Jr. himself relates an anecdote of his father introducing the holy books of thelema to him. Nibs said he had never read the books or even heard of them, but knew every word by heart, and upon this discovery LRH revealed he had recited each book to Nibs when he was an infant.

It could be that junior was a chip off the old block and accordingly had a very liberal memory of his own life, but even if it was a lie it's a highly specific one.


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31/03/2020 8:06 am  
Posted by: @faustian

yolk bags

In case it was too cryptic: AMNIO

(MANIO, "its all in the egg")


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31/03/2020 7:48 pm  
Posted by: @tiger

Liber Bogus if that is one of the books under discussion was even more boring than this thread.

Oh, Frater T!  How unworthy are your sentiments.

Bogus was a great work. It had dirty pictures. It held accusations of deceit against the Prophet. I actually found certain details (dates, ships, museums) that did not dovetail with the Official Party Legend-line of the Caro Working ... but not enough counter-proof to throw out the Baby, the Bathwater, and the Book (of the Law).

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making him choose between watching it and reading your book.

The book will become available in one, or seven, or seventy-seven days. Considering the ordering, paying, and shipping time involved, he can watch ducktales while waiting for the book to arrive.

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It could be that junior was a chip off the old block

ElRon, Jr was a renegade. He wrote about ElRon,Srs obsession with sex, followed by abortions conducted by ElRon,Sr with coathangers. It's been many years since I read his article, and it's probably been scrubbed cleanly, but that's what he wrote ... in great, bloody detail.

 


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31/03/2020 9:00 pm  

... News of a potentially disturbing nature has just reached me, relating to the scheduled 01 April release date for The Race to Conquer eLGMOR (The Lesser Heresy). 😩 


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