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herupakraath
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Posted by: @shiva

You shouldn't. We are instructed to Not Believe, but to evaluate-certify-prove anything to ourselves.

So you subscribe to the tired but familiar, 'Do what thou wilt, just do it by yourself' school of mystery. It's just another way of saying, "we're not interested in any new ideas or insights, so please keep them to yourself." 

 

 


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Posted by: @ahihchiva567

777 - is significant towards what vain of thought with QBL concepts?

It's the numeration of Shaitan Aiwass (359+418). I'm more than happy with it as the solution of the two verses. That the words and numbers of these particular verses would add to that particular value, by the natural order & value of the Alphabet (and not some contrived system of gematria) is nothing short of miraculous. Crowley was a bit silly thinking that any solution, however perfect, would be "unquestionable" - there will always be disagreements.

It's also the value of Aleisterion (transliterated into Hebrew), a name given to me during a paranormal event in 1997 (the 93rd year of the Aeon).

Thanks for your kind words. 93


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Posted by: @herupakraath

the tired but familiar, 'Do what thou wilt, just do it by yourself' school of mystery. It's just another way of saying, "we're not interested in any new ideas or insights, so please keep them to yourself." 

Oh, please. Skepticism towards contrived "revelations" is hardly the same thing as refusing "any new ideas or insights."

Cypher-solvers never have anything useful to offer towards doing the Great Work. Instead, they propose new Mysterious Hints, new Secret Keys: in short, new Abrogate Bush-Wa.

"Solving the cypher", and finding therein one's name, address, area code, or childhood postal code should, at minimum, lead to some serious self-reflection as to one's sanity.


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Posted by: @shiva
Posted by: @shiva

You shouldn't. We are instructed to Not Believe, but to evaluate-certify-prove anything to ourselves.

So you subscribe to the tired but familiar, 'Do what thou wilt, just do it by yourself' school of mystery.

My subscription was, and is, to the concept of belief, wherein we are stupid to believe anything without testing it by one;s self.

I thought my squawk was simple and understandable, but I must have erred in the structure of the communication, so that you might misunderstand and think that I advocated the way of the Hermit.

Posted by: @ignant666

Oh, please. Skepticism towards contrived "revelations" is hardly the same thing as refusing "any new ideas or insights."

Oh, thanks. I see you are able to differentiate between the two concepts.

 


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Shiva: "WellRead, where have you been?"

Doing some close reading of the two most important scriptures of Thelema according to AC in chapter 66 of his Confessions, The Book of the Law and The Vision and the Voice.

 

herupakraath: "... why should I believe the value 777 is a solution to the puzzle when the vague meaning that it appears to relay is Aleisterion is the one that is to follow Crowley. Seems like its all about the puzzle solver, and not about an actual solution."

That he "is the one that is to follow Crowley.", is not what Aleisterion wrote, as what Aleisterion wrote is this: "... 777: the one to follow after 666."

777 being the one to follow after 666, does fit the statement "There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it.", contained within the ii76-cipher, as the book containing this cipher ends with the closing statement "The Book of the Law is Written and Concealed. Aum. Ha."

( " “What does "Aum. Ha.” mean? [Aum. Ha.] consists of the two Sanskrit words, aum ha, the first and last letters of the (devanagari) Sanskrit alphabet–thus equivalent to the Greek “Alpha and Omega,” the beginning and end and, implicitly, the eternity that passes between. [...] (by James Eshelman) " ( - - - Source: https://realmovkhaos.tumblr.com/tagged/Aum.%20Ha.%20Lodge%20Chigago ) )

It is apparent that a profound familiarity with the Christian Bible pertains both to who Aleister Crowley was as a person, and to the way in which The Book of the Law derived through him, is written (and concealed). 

A common thread or common denominator in the Christian Bible is that "... there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be made known and brought to light." ( Sources: Matthew 10:26, Mark 4:22, Luke 8:17-19, and Luke 12:2-4 .)

Seven is God's favorite number in the Christian Bible. ( Source: http://ph.news.yahoo.com/seven-gods-favorite-number-170039364.html  

The number 777 can be regarded as a symbol for God according to Christian speculations: "According to the American publication, the Orthodox Study Bible, 777 represents the threefold perfection of the Trinity.[...] The number 777, as triple 7, can be contrasted against triple 6, for the Number of the Beast as 666 (rather than variant 616)."

(Source: “777 (number) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia” - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/777_(number)#Christianity ). 

Within traditional Christianity it is the son of God Jesus Christ who will bring about the eventual disclosure and unconcealment repeatedly mentioned in the Christian Bible. 

Something akin to this is within AC's Thelema mentioned in his book The Vision and the Voice, where The work of a Master of the Temple is described as bringing about eventual disclosure and unconcealment (of the Absolute) for the individual that succeeds in it. 

Thelemapedia’s (The Free Encyclopedia of Thelema A Project of Scarlet Women Publishing Scarlet Women Lodge. O.T.O.) section about Kether, contains the following quote from Aleister Crowley, describing Kether as “The First "Emanation" of the Absolute.”:

“Kether: The First "Emanation" of the Absolute. Kether is in Malkuth and Malkuth is in Kether, but after another manner, Malkuth reflects Kether, for that which is above is like that which is below, and that which is below is like that which is above. (Little Essays Towards Truth)”

( Source: Kether From Thelemapedia - - - www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Kether )

In his autobiography Confessions AC states "I loved mankind, I wanted everybody to be an enthusiastic aspirant to the absolute."

In and endnote to The Cry of the 21st Aethyr, in his book The Vision and the Voice, AC states that "Kether [ = the Absolute ] exists only as the Child of any Marriage of one particular Hadit with one particular aspect of Nuit. There are thus as many Kethers [versions of the Absolute] as there are positive possibilities." 

A major difference between traditional Christianity and AC's Thelema, is adherents of traditional Christianity proclaiming that there is only one supreme Absolute that all individuals must aspire to, and AC with his Thelema proclaiming that there are as many supreme Absolutes to aspire to, as there are individuals. 


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

That he "is the one that is to follow Crowley.", is not what Aleisterion wrote ...

There is misunderstanding in the wind (where the answer is not blowin') wherein it is hard to "get" what is being writ.

Also, it is a complex cast of characters in the play. We see there is somebody who will discover the key to it All - this would be Frater Achad (who actually did his duty).

Then there is the one who will follow him - this would either be Mr Gunther, Mr Motta, Mr McM, Mr Grant, or some other person who has not yet arrived (future tense) and none of these mentioned will do as they have not become terrible and caused all men, women, and stars to worship the writing of the First Beast (Dan continues to have a chance - as he is still alive).

Then there is The Rich Man from the West. He seems to be a Military-Industrial Complex banker or lobbyist. He provides funds (gold) to make armaments. Many people think Germar was the West Man as he provided AC with funds - I can sort of accept that, because we had our rich man in the olden days. But, all things considered, I think the Rich Man is a future manwho arms the Second Beast, so that he (#2) can cause all folks to worship the writing of the First Beast.

I know I am mixing two metaphors scriptures, but AC did it all the time, so it should be okay if I do it just once.

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

Sources: Matthew 10:26, Mark 4:22, Luke 8:17-19

I am always amazed by the same quotes, usually word-for-word the same, that are sprinkled through the words of the apostles. Surely, these verbatim sayings are NOT the words of the apostles, but are translations of papers that were in their possession, or possibly words they uttered from memory, and somebody else wrote them down.

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

A major difference between traditional Christianity and AC's Thelema, is adherents of traditional Christianity proclaiming that there is only one supreme Absolute that all individuals must aspire to, and AC with his Thelema proclaiming that there are as many supreme Absolutes to aspire to, as there are individuals. 

Well, Blavatsky and Bailey  got into that, calling it (kether) The Monad, and (yes) each of us has our own Monad. Barbara Brennan called it the Core Star - you can find it in anybody's energy field by removing, or seeing through, the aura. With the aura (that can track out to Binah) reduced to a Line (Chokmah), we see almost to the top.

When the Line is reduced to a point, we see the Core Star - every man and woman is one - at the core of their being. All stars look alike, save that they have a slightly different hue (and thus a different frequency, and thus a different potential destiny).

Every Man and every Woman is not the same Star. 

 


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@ahihchiva567 

 

The key test, for anything like this, lies in what further work it inspires, for one's self  and potentially for others. Gaining the gnosis is just a stage in the process. It has little use unless applied. 


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I agree that the 777 "key" is remarkably simple. All the better that it has brought personal revelations to Aleisterion. What would you (forum members) make with 2:55; "Thou shalt obtain the order & value of the English Alphabet, thou shalt find new symbols to attribute them unto"? Any revelance to the cypher? And if so, is the "obtaining" part covered with this solution?

Also, while it is kinda cool that the cypher now starts with an A and ends with an L, I am not convinced that both "sentences" belong together. The following sentence "What meaneth this?" doesn't make much sense for both sentences, does it? (while it could make sense for the complete Liber)

But it is fun playing around with both sentences. Leo Gillis' qabalah just adds up to 765 for that (and only if you spell out the plus sign - it is NOT an ampersand - else it is only 720).

Good work nonetheless.

And it is not as boring as adding the cypher up to 666 (someone did that once), but it is still - with all due respect - incredibly boring, just speaking from a riddle solver's perspective here. The cypher just adds up to one of AC's works? And not even one he penned himself?

Love=Law

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Posted by: @ahihchiva567

I mean, is there anything more to it than this, kids?

Of course there is. As long as The Official End of the World has not arrived, there will be a line of Qabalists lined up to solve the "deeper" mysteries.

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

I would hope it's good enough for all of you.

This is LAShTAL, where everything gets picked apart. When there is nothing left to disassemble (and make fun of), then we will have arrived at the Hub of it All (never mind the periphery, for now, which is filled with ambiguity and associated with pi) - which is the only thing that will ever qualify as :good enough" for all.

Posted by: @katrice

Gaining the gnosis is just a stage in the process. It has little use unless applied. 

I believe Ignant was also calling for a "practical application." It always comes down to this, doesn't it? 


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Posted by: @ahihchiva567

here's an example of what might be considered "contrived"

Are you joking? Two AL verses, that are not mentioned again, followed by a dense paragraph of other AL verses, with lotsa qablaistic noodling that goes nowhere. Yes, it is indeed "contrived" as could be.

And seems to depend on valuing "A" as both 0

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

AUMN (0+15+12+13)=40 

and the more conventional value of 1

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

31 AL.

How can a letter of an alphabet be given a value of zero in any valid gematria? It communicates information- how can it be zero? Doesn't valuing any letter as zero contradict the whole premise of gematria?

Also, what counting system are you using, that counts "A" as 0, and then "M" as 12, and then "N" as 13, but "U" as 15? If you start with "A" as zero, and count through the English alphabet, you indeed get "M" as 12, and then "N" as 13, but you sure don't get "U" as 15, unless you skip five letters, since "U" would otherwise be 20.

If you have some answer to this, how can "A" equal both 1 and 0? [Note: Answers that mention conditions "above the Abyss" will be marked as failing in having failed to understand, and thus respond to, the question asked.]

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

is there any hope for this wayward son?

Perhaps you were thinking of the widow's son? A mason who mixes up zero and one is likely to build temples that collapse.


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Posted by: @ahihchiva567

Please, anyone, is there any hope for this wayward son?

There is another thread that seems to be suggesting cross dressing, but Shiva says it is not necessary...

https://www.lashtal.com/forums/the-typhonian-order/rites-of-the-mummy-krla-cell-and-the-secret-key-to-liber-al/#post-119776

And yes how does the letter U become a fifteen?


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Posted by: @ahihchiva567

"Tzaddi is not the Star" and therefore the order of the Atu ABGD (Tz) V (1+2+3+4+90+6)=106 NVN (13+5+13)=31 AL.

I usually tend to stop reading any further when encountering stuff like this and I did. "Tzaddi is not the the star and therefore" what? Why even? Just because Tzaddi is not the star? It's like saying "Tzaddi is not green therefore it is pink."

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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

I usually tend to stop reading any further when encountering stuff like this and I did. "Tzaddi is not the the star and therefore" what?

Yeah, i would think that if we conclude that we have to correct the incorrect order of the Hebrew alphabet after all these millennia, it would mean that Tzaddi, now the fifth letter, counts as 5, just the way He did when it was the fifth letter, making "ABGD (Tz) V (1+2+3+4+5+6)=21".

Also, why do we sometimes use some sort of English gematria values, and sometimes use conventional Hebrew ones again? Or "conventional but adjusted" so Tzaddi is the fifth letter, but still counts as 90.


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Posted by: @ahihchiva567

the U is to be figured as O in the symbol AUM  (1+70+40)

Your Hebrew gematria is poor.

The "U" in "AUM" as Ayin? (I assume this from the 70, and from the use of conventional Hebrew values for Aleph and Mem).

Pronounced "O'"or "U"? Just no, that is not a sound an Ayin makes; recall that it is a consonant.

And again if we make Tzaddi the fifth letter instead of He, that makes it 5 not 90. [i now realize you get this idiot attribution from the Book of Thoth; doesn't make it less idiotic- do you really honestly count "1 2 3 4 90 6 7 8 30 10 20 9"? If so, lets' do business soon!]

And why do we spell it AUM sometimes and AUMN at others?


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With deep apols for triple post: Why isn't the Mem in "AUM" a Mem final, and thus 600, what with being the last letter in the word as spelled? Mem is only 40 at the beginning or in the middle of a word, right?


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This thread is giving me hemorrhoids .  What's the damn point? 


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Posted by: @ahihchiva567

Please, anyone, is there any hope for this wayward son?

Carry on.

You WILL AL-Ways Re-Member.

NOTHING = The Splendor.

Now your life's no longer empty.

Surely heaven waits for you. 🙂


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Posted by: @ignant666

Oh, please. Skepticism towards contrived "revelations" is hardly the same thing as refusing "any new ideas or insights."

It is when all new ideas and insights are treated as contrived revelations. Ever met one you liked?

Posted by: @ignant666

Cypher-solvers never have anything useful to offer towards doing the Great Work.

In that case who does?

Posted by: @ignant666

Instead, they propose new Mysterious Hints, new Secret Keys: in short, new Abrogate Bush-Wa.

Reads like a blanket dismissal of the whole process.

Posted by: @ignant666

"Solving the cypher", and finding therein one's name, address, area code, or childhood postal code should, at minimum, lead to some serious self-reflection as to one's sanity.

Sure, as should the entire mystical process, but just to give you a hint, since you apparently do not know what to expect from a quality puzzle solution, when one of them causes you to start questioning your sanity, then you'll know you've encountered a formidable one. 

 


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WARNING - Long post. Maybe my longest. Sorry. But the thread spread dead ahead so fast.
 
Posted by: @ignant666

If you have some answer to this, how can "A" equal both 1 and 0? [Note: Answers that mention conditions "above the Abyss" will be marked as failing in having failed to understand, and thus respond to, the question asked.]

I am reminded of Jesus punching out the money-lenders.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

There is another thread that seems to be suggesting cross dressing, but Shiva says it is not necessary...

My point was that it might be necessary for some, but that it should not be required in the curriculum.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

And yes how does the letter U become a fifteen?

It is the Horns of the Goat! Eek! See Atu XV.

Note how fluid the shifting fiddler Qabalist can be. 

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

... the U is to be figured as O in the symbol AUM ...

See? I divined it - before I read your justification. Since this exhibits strong synchronicity (see Jung), your certificate, if you ever get one, will include a beautiful embossed silver star gummed to the upper right corner.

So, yes, we agree on the old goat's horns as "U" - but this is an equation (admittedly) "contrived" by you - and if you expect these other folks to understand your unique approach to QBL, I will have to refer you to a specialist (see Jung).

Now, I was able to pierce through your code because of my superior clairvoyance, or was it because we think alike (?), but it also might be because it's midnight in the desert and I am hallucinating. Yes, that's it. I must stop. But first ...

A = the point. (Slip in Hadit if you want). The buck starts here. A point gets a "1" value because it has no dimensions - but it is identifiable as "something"  (different than other things. (See elohim, which is a bunch, but they get confused as one). However, with no dimensions, the closed-minded (who think too much) say it is worthless, and they value it at zero. (See Brahma).

U = V = the expansion. This would be the manifested uni-verse, represented by The Son. The Son may easily be recognized as the Devil, but his number remains pretty firmly fixed at "6" (Atu V).

The day Crowley revealed a "major" word-number, mixing Roman numerals with Arabic numbers ("LAShTAL = 31 + XX + 31 = 93") was the day a path was kicked out from under the structure of the Tree of Life, comparable to BafometR, and the Qabalists started to run around saying, "My mind, my mind, where is it?"

I'll stick to "6" for a total of "7." (See The Universal Hexagram, or The Standard Hexagram with a dot in the Center) (See also Vishnu - he maintains the manifested uni-verse).

M = dissolution. Just as the yogi or yogini cannot maintain the "U/V" for an infinite amount of time, neither can Vishnu hold up beyond a certain point. Actually, his "V" is maintained by the strength of the "A." Likewise, the yogi might seek to utter a sudden "A," with foice, instead of those weak "Ahs" that quietly float up and out. Their vibrating exhalation dies young.

Having reached the periphery of the push from the big bang, it remains to be seen (experienced) as to whether the "V" turns around and collapses upon itself ("^"), or whether it continues into infinity forever. In either case, the letter is "M,"and everybody knows this is the 13th letter of the alpha-beta (aleph-beth). So it could be a "13" value, or a "4" in the QBL of Nine, or just a "50" because that's what the Jews call it.

With Shiva in charge of the dissolution, we find that he is anti-social and he drinks (alc) a lot. When he drinks, he likes to dance. His dance, the Tandava, is terrible. He converts all matter to its essential energy (nothing). But then, when he tires and stops the dance, he also sobers up - and it turns out the whole previous deal is somehow preserved and re-presented.

AUM = 1 + 6 + 50 = 57 varieties.

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

Tzaddi is not the Star" (I was looking for those who already know this information to be familiar with the changes made and Tzaddi finding a new home as The Emperor

Yes, I believe we are ALL familiar with that switchero and it's Moe-bus Ribbon.

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

looking at that cube. What do we know about it?

If it's a perfectly foursquare cube, with nothing (emptiness) in it, surrounded by the rest of the starry universe, we are looking into (at least one version of) Hadit's home base.

Posted by: @ignant666

And why do we spell it AUM sometimes and AUMN at others?

Oh, that's Perdurabo adding the "N" as a final closing of the curtain. He also tossed a "G" in for AUMGN. The G is silence, but still adds a "3."

After the Qabalists ran in circles, crying, "My mind ...," they sat down and composed what had been given to them, on parchment. Then they compared their notes. Everybody had a different idea about the numbers and the letters (See The Tower of Babel Syndrome) and several different religions were formed on the spot.

A few had similar ideas, the numbers didn't vary too much, so they formed a coalition to preserve the truth of the ancient mystery numbers (and letters). We are the few who generally (but not always) add things up to the same sum. This (sometimes) adds up to the same thought, which is a step forward on our Path of Return.

Crowley taught people how to play Fiddle Qabalah. He did not do any favors for those who still run in circles. Everybody must build their own QBL. QBL is a tool for odering the mind. "QBL" means "to receive." The Qabalist is expected to "get it," not to build an entire new universe out of Roman numerals and Arabic numbers with English letters - from the bottom up.

Posted by: @ignant666

Mem is only 40 at the beginning or in the middle of a word, right?

AC used either format, depending on which sum revealed the best "hit." I dunno things about Hebrew when-or-whats, and I have chosen to go with the lesser number in any position. I realize that I may be expelled from the ancient society of pure Qabalists who really know Hebrew, but that's just Case-hardened Shinola. Because ...

The Hebrews themselves, especially the Hod scholars, are known to sit or stand around ALL DAY LONG arguing and screaming about the shape of a letter or the meaning of anything.

No, there is no hope for the Widow's son or the Wandering soul. I recommend moving on to Netzach, which is even scarier.

Posted by: @christibrany

This thread is giving me hemorrhoids .

I will refer you to a proctologist.

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

all this is convenient language to see if we're getting anywhere.

Yes, after a certain manner of confirmation of visions, names, symbols. But that is only a side issue. The true purpose is TO ORDER THE (Hod) MIND. Everybody gets to (and has to) do their own ordering. Where is the waiter?

We expect to see slight waverings in the pictures of people's minds. If any three people can agree on all the points, they should start an Order. But the individual is advised to simply memorize the 777 Tables of Correspondence. If we do that, then we are at least speaking the same languge and doing the same math (except I don't use big numbers for tail-end letters).

Now if a person develops their own system of numbers and letters, especially with mixed metaphors, nobody in the Constituency of Ancient Scholars, pretending to be Hebrews< is going to understand a thing that person is saying - except for maybe a scrap here and there. (See Tower of Babylon).

Although your presentation may contain vast revelations, we cannot see it because you are speaking a foreign lingo. In any case, most of the hard-headed folk around here won't take much note unless you can cut-to-the-chase and cite your findings in simple English without mathematics. And, of course, the findings must either be practical or they can be abstract - if they shed some light on some, say, abstract notion or symbol.

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

... and just make a joke of it.

Oh, Frater Ignant, how frivolous of you.

Making fun of the Holy Qabalah (spelled with a Q, not a fucking K, like the new-agers do) is punishable by a certain number of years in Hell - I forget how many. I believe we are serving those years right now, and things will get better when our time is up. But we don't seem to be able to control that part. Do you know a good attorney who specializes in Infernal Contracts and Torts?

Posted by: @herupakraath

Ever met one you liked?

Why, yes. People come here all the time and (sometimes) fit right in. They do not suffer the leper syndrome, they are not instructed in their stupidity, and their mother's reputation is not called into consideration. Why, there are even long-time posters who announce and provide a solution, then announce their Order/Group, and then go to work. They even return on occasion, yet nobody hassles (Hessles) them for their solution or their external activities.

Challenges usually arise when the math doesn't fit, the "fact" cited is in error, or the poster exhibits egocentrism, things like that. And the tone of their message is paramount in how they "reap the whirlwind.

As anyone can see, the present presentation is presented in mixed metaphors, so to speak, and this may even be called "intuitive," but probably is not. He admits to "contriving" (but only as an example), and he doesn't seem to be overly involved in himself, nor does he cite "false facts." Instead, he presents mixed facts, drawing on the shape of letters for one, and dawing on the 777 Tables for another. 

So he draws fire, not upon his persona, or his spelling, but upon his mixture of methods to gain a final sum. All anybody needs around here is to state conclusions or practical applications in simple English. If the idea or revelation entertains some else's (or more) fancy, then the math can be checked ... to see how the mystery was solved.

Most presentations of (this thread's) solution seem to not arrive at a final practical (or interesting abstract) "solution. 

Enough! It's after 3 AM [stop]

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Why of course u equals o, unless the o is an 0, or the u is you, but I was not thinking Hebrew, but A to Z, as that was the path to 777 so revealed in these threads... Thus calculatith Aleisterion 777!

Now AUM being AOM well that takes us, I suppose, over to the Vedics not the Hebraics... 

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There are many English qabalas. Has anyone constructed one along the lines of the Hebrew version? Recall that the reason Hebrew letters have numerical values in the first place is that they were used as a numerical system.

Thus letters 1-10 are the numerals 1-10, the 11th is 20, the 12th 30, etc, until we get to 100 with Qoph, then Resh is 200, and then we end on Tav as 400, and then go back and use the five final letters to represent 500-900.

If we apply the same system to the English alphabet (A-J is 1-10, K-S is 20-100, T is 200, etc), we only get to 800 with Z, because we only have 26 letters, v. 27 in Hebrew (22 letters plus the five final letters).

Is this a new idea? If so, i offer it free of all charge or royalty to anyone who may find it useful. If not, i apologize for having wasted your time, i have seldom paid much attention gematria in 40 years or so.

 


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@ignant666 

Nice job!...Well it is the first I have heard of such an arrangement proposed, hereafter the (IA) "Ignant Arrangement" !

I suppose such simple elegant approaches, as you have offered, come with 40 years of not being pulled into letter/number swamp and those fevers attendant with traversing such quick sands...

It is thus your honor to apply the (IA) "Ignant Arrangement" to the aforesaid II. 76....or not!

 

 

 


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I had not thought of joining the ranks of the Cypher-Solvers, but since you suggest it, the solution to the cypher by the "IA" method is 2,242 (derived by adding up all digits and the numerals of all letters in the cypher).

Adding these digits together, we get 10: according to Achad in Q.B.L., this signifies "The Decad, the divine End. Represents 1 returning to 0. Derived from 1+2+3+4." [emphasis added]  

Adding those digits, we get 1, "The Unity - the Positive - the Finite - the Line, derived from 0 by extension. The divine Being."

It is of course highly significant that 2,242 has three prime factors. They are 2, 19, and 59. The sexual significance of the number 2 (repeated three times in 2,242) need hardly be expounded to such an erudite crowd as this. AC says in 777 that 19 signifies "The feminine glyph", and 59 is "The yoni calling for the lingam as ovum, menstruum, or alkali."

So the Cypher is yet another Sex Magick Spell, expounding the loss of the illusion of duality when "lost ... in The Charioting". I am now officially The One Who Comes After, and will be issuing myself a handsome certificate to this effect, with embossed seals, and suitable for framing.


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777 - is significant towards what vain of thought with QBL concepts?

It's the numeration of Shaitan Aiwass (359+418). [...]

It's also the value of Aleisterion (transliterated into Hebrew), a name given to me during a paranormal event in 1997 (the 93rd year of the Aeon).

Thanks for your kind words. 93

 

the_real_simon_iff: "The cypher just adds up to one of AC's works? And not even one he penned himself?"

 

"777 [...] is the sum of the supposed eight paths taken by the “lightning flash of creation” down the Tree from Kether to Malkuth (four diagonals, three horizontals, one vertical), where Aleph is 1; Daleth 4; Gimel 3; Teth 9; Lamed 30; Nun 50; Pé 80; Resh 200; Tav 400. Total: 777 [*]. Incidentally the tarot trump numbers corresponding to those paths add to 93, the Greek gematria of “Thelema.""

Source: Tobias Churton's book Aleister Crowley in India: The Secret Influence of Eastern Mysticism on Magic and the Occult.) 

 

[ [*] "... the tabulation of [the title of] the book [ (titled) 777] is from Kether to Malkuth, the course of the Flaming Sword; and if this sword be drawn upon the Tree of Life, the numeration of the Paths over which it passes (taking ג , 3, as the non-existent path from Binah to Chesed, since it connects Macroprosopus and Microprosopus) is 777." (source: - - - "Temple of Solomon the King", Equinox Vol. 5). ]

 

"777

In this essay, I will discuss the qabalah of the number 777 from two different approaches. The classical derivation of 777 is to sum the paths that the Lightning Flash of Creation travels along or, in the case of Gimel, crosses on its journey from Kether to Malkuth on the Tree of Life. Another way to derive 777 is to add 359 to 418, as suggested by Aleister Crowley’s comment on chapter 3, verse 74, of the Book of the Law. Both approaches discover an archetype of spirit incarnated in human form."

( Source:  - - - http://www.aiwass.com/777.html )

 

Within traditional Christianity the son of God Jesus Christ is of course the Supreme And Exclusive archetype of spirit incarnated in human form.

 

"In this short book, James Beck expounds his solution to the puzzle that appears in the Book of the Law, chapter two: verses 75 and 76. ..."

( Source: The Riddle of SebRa Introduction - - -  https://www.aiwass.com/RSR_0_Introduction.html  )


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Posted by: @ignant666

Adding these digits together, we get 10: according to Achad in Q.B.L., this signifies "The Decad, the divine End. Represents 1 returning to 0. Derived from 1+2+3+4." [emphasis added]

Why, that's the definition of a 10=1. How can anybody claim that grade when there's nothing to say? Your calculation results in a (reduced) complete cycle (10). Do you do speed-math as well as speed-reading?

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with embossed seals, and suitable for framing.

Please describe the frame in detail, citing columns and lines to support your thesis. It is evident that you are of the pure line-age, because you do not include substitution, switching, or fiddling - thank goodness.

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

I am currently suffering time constraints. 

No shit. The End of the Aeon is approaching (1904 + 125 [half a transition zone] = 2029. The World Economic Forum has a Timetable Agenda called The Great Reset 2030 (only one year, one digit, in difference). Everyone is advised to assume the busybody routine, wherin Busy People are Happy People.

Posted by: @ahihchiva567

Can I call you Dad?

You can try. But, beware!  He is the agent of Saturn, who is known to eat his children.

 


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"... the tabulation of [the title of] the book [ (titled) 777] is from Kether to Malkuth, the course of the Flaming Sword; and if this sword be drawn upon the Tree of Life, the numeration of the Paths over which it passes (taking ג , 3, as the non-existent path from Binah to Chesed, since it connects Macroprosopus and Microprosopus) is 777."

L 3:38 is significant: "So that thy light is in me; & its red flame is as a sword in my hand to push thy order." 

"as a sword in my hand" = 188 = "child of the Prophet".

The main point of the solution to L 2:75-6 (i.e. being 777), obviously, is that it is a sign that points to 777, "the one to follow 666". 

Lea Hirsig herself, in her 1924 diary, estimated that she had produced multiple "magical children" in her time with Aleister Crowley: Raoul Loveday was one; also, John William Navin Sullivan, the author, was another; and of course, the tragic Norman Mudd. As one skeptic once pointed out, it is true that Lea was likely a bit too old for sex magick by the '60s and '70s, but magical children (individuals vested with the magical dynamis or mystical inspiration of supernally-powerful masters/magi) may come from a variety of methods - "there are means and means".

An interesting twist, in our case, is that she had twins - a magical son and a magical daughter, both of whom found one another and established a church in her honor, Hirsig being the matron saint of the Holy Thelemic Church.

It's okay if others aren't impressed. We're perfectly happy with it; but it's motivation for us, not an achievement. It lights a flame that inspires us to work. Aliana and I are both working on inspired books right now. It's a dark time for the world, but it's a powerful time magically, seeing as that we're now in the Hierophantic Docosade (An.V vii).

93!

-777

 

 


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the agent of Saturn

Just because a person is not necessarily in favor of immediately blowing to smithereens a certain planet does not make him an agent of that planet!

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known to eat his children

Not so far, but you want to wait til they are in their prime.

 


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Aleisterion: "... magical children (individuals vested with the magical dynamis or mystical inspiration of supernally-powerful masters/magi) may come from a variety of methods - "there are means and means"."

 

Given a simple ii76-cipher-solution that in a way easy to demonstrate, is both fitting in with, and also adding to, the Thelema proclaimed in Aleister Crowley's The Book of the Law, being provided by a female, would the detail that this Cypher-Solver is female disqualify her from being the one described in that book as "There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it."?

Must the quote "There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it.", be literally understood as that the Cypher-Solver can not be a female?

Are there any known female solvers of the II:76 Cipher, or does solving this Cipher appears to be an all-male activity?  


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

[D]oes solving this Cipher appears to be an all-male activity?  

A good question, with a very obvious answer.

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Are there any known female solvers of the II:76 Cipher[?]

No. Nor will there likely be any, or at least very many, in the future. At least 75% of Thelemites are men, so the pool of potential female solvers is a shallow one. And the necessary temperamental combination of on-the-autism-spectrum-ness, and extreme egotism, is rare among women (this is among the reasons that some of us men are heterosexual, in addition to the way they look).


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Posted by: @ignant666

At least 75% of Thelemites are men

This is why we need to "Gather store of women and spices ... etc"

 


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This is why we need to "Gather store of women and spices ... etc"

Having some small experience of "[g]ather[ing] store of women" (while selling unlicensed spices), i can recommend against all forms of polygamy from a male point of view.

The thing is, the sex part is as good as one may have imagined, but they gang up on you, and you have no earthly chance. This is based on a mere two-at-once; i can only imagine the horrors of a three woman/one man relationship.

There is a reason pimps are traditionally mean (in addition to the fact that they are late-capitalist employers): they are outnumbered, and terrified of losing control to their "stable".


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Posted by: @ignant666

The thing is, the sex part is as good as one may have imagined, but they gang up on you, and you have no earthly chance

True, you don't.  😉 

That said I have seen some men manage successful poly relationships with more than one woman, Vs or full triads, but when you add in how much work goes in to a monogamous relationship, it gets more and more complicated and exhausting the more people get added to it. This goes for such relationships in any combination of genders.  There's a joke that polyfolk spend as much time arranging their schedules as they do actually participating in their relationships.

 

There is a reason pimps are traditionally mean (in addition to the fact that they are late-capitalist employers): they are outnumbered, and terrified of losing control to their "stable".

Them being traditionally being misogynistic control freaks also accounts for a lot of that too.

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And the necessary temperamental combination of on-the-autism-spectrum-ness, and extreme egotism, is rare among women

I was about to say something to the contrary, but no. One or the other of those are common enough, but the two together do seem pretty rare, in my experience. 

 

Notice I haven't really participated in any of the Qablahblah itself here, she said modestly.  😉 


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misogynistic control freaks

Oh, that. Well, yes. There is that, of course.

Perhaps my example was inartfully chosen, and i should have gone with Mormons, Muslims, Old Testament folks, or some hunter-gatherer tribal groups as examples of the dangers of polygamy, or more properly, polygyny.

When my wife turned 40, i told her i was considering trading her in on two 20 year olds. She said "You don't have to trade. You can bring these gehls [she has a heavy Brazilian accent]. One can cook, one can clean." By that age, i knew better and my threat remained an empty one.

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Qablahblah

Just noticed this "alternate spelling"; nice one.

Adds up to 286 by "IA", which adds to 16, which adds to 7. Need we say more? The Keys to Celestial Palaces are offered....


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Oops, it really adds up to 162 (80+1+2+30+1+8+2+30+1+8), which adds to 9. Still, again, need we say more? All single-digit integers open Celestial Palaces if we look at them hard enough. And are Chosen, of course.

This being the One Who Comes After really comes with heavy responsibilities as far as checking one's arithmetic.


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Posted by: @ignant666

Perhaps my example was inartfully chosen, and i should have gone with Mormons, Muslims, Old Testament folks, or some hunter-gatherer tribal groups as examples of the dangers of polygamy, or more properly, polygyny.

 

Those are good analogies too.   But notice how much focus there is on polygyny, and not as much on polyandry?  

 

When my wife turned 40, i told her i was considering trading her in on two 20 year olds. She said "You don't have to trade. You can bring these gehls [she has a heavy Brazilian accent]. One can cook, one can clean." By that age, i knew better and my threat remained an empty one.

I've heard that these arrangements work better if the ladies, um, like each other.  

But that brings the risk of the man not being included in some activities all of the time.  😉 

 

Just noticed this "alternate spelling"; nice one.

Thank you.

 

Oops, it really adds up to 162 (80+1+2+30+1+8+2+30+1+8), which adds to 9. Still, again, need we say more? 

The sphere of the Moon.  Dreams and fancies. 

All single-digit integers open Celestial Palaces if we look at them hard enough. And are Chosen, of course.

"Every number is infinite; there is no difference."  takes on a new meaning when one looks at the lengths people will go to to "prove" something with gematria. 

This being the One Who Comes After really comes with heavy responsibilities as far as checking one's arithmetic.

It will certainly keep you on your toes!


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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

But it is fun playing around with both sentences. Leo Gillis' qabalah just adds up to 765 for that (and only if you spell out the plus sign - it is NOT an ampersand - else it is only 720).

 

Dwtw

Indeed, thanks for pointing out that the two sections together sum to 720 in Trigrammaton Gematria.

And if we're allowed to expand the Cipher and include verse 75 along with the first part of verse 76, then aren't we allowed to use the verse numbers, too?

In which case you add 151 to the 720 and get 871 for the total of this string of eleven numbers and eleven words...

871 = 75. Aye! listen to the numbers + the words: 76. 4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. 

 

871 = XAOS in Greek = Chaos

 

As it says in Liber B vel Magi:

  1. And in the word CHAOS let the Book be sealed; yea, let the Book be sealed.

 

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Posted by: @threefold31

... aren't we allowed to use the verse numbers, too?

You (plural)(or singular, no matter) are allowed to do whatever you want Will. Whoever comes up with a practical solution (or even an abstract aphorism) will be "following" the prophet/scribe - and it won't matter how he (she?) did it, as long as the end result works (or impresses the gallery with its sublimity).

Of course, the how will be of interest to everybody, including the befuddled.

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871 = XAOS in Greek = Chaos    -    As it says in Liber B vel Magi:  And in the word CHAOS let the Book be sealed; yea, let the Book be sealed.

Very cool. I could do some reverse engineering (to find out), but it's probably easier to ask: Which English (or other) Alphabet letters, and their values, did you use to park your bark at 871?

 


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[ [*] The text in bold and between brackets below, was added by me to the text quoted from the two core scriptures of AC's Thelema. All underlining in quoted passages is mine, for the sake of emphasis: ]

 

Aleisterion: "L 3:38 is significant: "So that thy light is in me; & its red flame is as a sword in my hand to push thy order." 

"as a sword in my hand" = 188 = "child of the Prophet".

The main point of the solution to L 2:75-6 (i.e. being 777), obviously, is that it is a sign that points to 777, "the one to follow 666"."

 

As AC understood 777 as the tabulation from Kether to Malkuth, and the numeration of the Paths over which it passes, of the course of the Flaming Sword drawn upon the Qabalistic Tree of Life, 777 the solution to BOTL 2:75-6, both fits well into — and adds well to — the following from the two core scriptures of AC's Thelema:

 

"And in the Pyramid is one like unto an Angel, [...] And he saith: [...] in The Book of the Law did I write the secrets of truth that are like unto a star and a snake and a sword.

( Source: The Cry of the 8th Aethyr, in Liber CDXVIII: The Vision & The Voice. The 8th Aethyr is explained in "A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF THE CONTENTS OF THE CALLS OF THE THIRTY AIRES OR AETHYRS", in AC's "I N T R O D U C T I O N" to The Vision and the Voice, as "The Holy Guardian Angel. His instruction." ")

 

The “voice” of Hadit does in chapter 2 verse 22. of The Book of the Law, state that I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness.”. And also states this in verse 26. in the same chapter of the same book: 

 

“I am the secret Serpent coiled about to spring: in my coiling there is joy. If I lift up my head, I and my Nuit are one. [Said oneness is as already posted by me 13/01/2022 10:18 pm on page 26 in this thread described by AC — in what he called the second most important book of his Thelema — as the only cause for the existence of (any) Kether. (“In the Qabalah, Kether (כתר) is the first of the ten Sephiroth on the "Tree of Life." Its meaning is crown.” ( Source: Kether From Thelemapedia - - - http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Kether ))] If I droop down mine head, and shoot forth venom, then is rapture of the earth, and I and the earth are one.”

( AC does in his book 777 attribute Malkuth to Earth, both with respect to Astrology and with respect to Element. “In the Qabalah, Malkuth is the final of the ten Sephiroth on the "Tree of Life." Its meaning in Hebrew is Kingdom.” (Source: Malkuth From Thelemapedia - - - http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Malkuth )


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Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

in The Book of the Law did I write the secrets of truth that are like unto a star and a snake and a sword.

But the thing is, nothing about 777 or the qabalah is "secret" or a "secret of truth" or even pertaining explicitly to Thelema. I guarantee you that every number you would find for II:76 (even together with II:75) in any slightly qabalistic way could be interpreted as somehow meaningful, as threefold31 and ignant666 (and dozens before them) have just shown, and the secret key in "Rites of the Mummy" is even another new one. I agree that some are more elegant than others, but that is simply a matter of taste. While it might be that the existence of only personalized solutions has somewhat of a Thelemic undertone, it still is extremely LAME* seen from the standpoint of a riddle-solver and not exactly proof of a praeternatural source of the book.

*or does THE LAME solution means THELEMA solution?

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While it might be that the existence of only personalized solutions has somewhat of a Thelemic undertone, it still is extremely LAME* seen from the standpoint of a riddle-solver and not exactly proof of a praeternatural source of the book.

Seriously though, come on now. 777 has zero Thelemic significance? It happens to be the number signifying the first child of the Prophet, as seen in Crowley's New Comment to vss.75-6 of ch.II. That's not so insignificant if one values the magical ideas and contributions of Fra.'.Achad as much as I do. 

As the numeration of Shaitan-Aiwass (in Heb.), it is highly significant.

It's also, as said earlier, a sign meant to motivate the "one to follow 666".

Then again, I suppose it's all a matter of perspective. Everything is true from a certain point of view. 😀 👍 

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871 = XAOS in Greek = Chaos    -    As it says in Liber B vel Magi:  And in the word CHAOS let the Book be sealed; yea, let the Book be sealed.

Very cool. I could do some reverse engineering (to find out), but it's probably easier to ask: Which English (or other) Alphabet letters, and their values, did you use to park your bark at 871?

 

Dwtw

Using the English letters Crowley attributed to the trigrams, and then recognizing that the trigrams are simply numbers in base 3.

In Liber XXVII order they are:

0 = I; 1 = L; 2 = C; 3 = H; 6 = X; T = 9; Y = 18

4 = P; 5 = A; 7 = J; 8 = W

10 = O; 11 = G; 19 = Z; 20 = B

12 = F; 15 = S; 21 = M; 24 = N

13 = E; 14 = R; 16 = Q; 22 = V; 17 = K; 23 = D; 25 = U; 26 = ?

 

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@aleisterion

Of course, I always only state my opinion and no offense is attended. What I want to say is 777 will also have a lot meaning for a Golden Dawnian for example, probably for a Christian or Buddhist also, as for many many people, since it is an interesting number per se. On the other hand the qabalah of the Bible for example is given, the letters ARE numbers and nobody would try an English, Greek or personal qabalah on it (of course somebody would, but why?). You say it yourself: Shaitan-Aiwass is super significant, but only with another qabalah, with the 777 qabalah it is 144, and of course there are also lots of super-significant meanings in this also, but that is what I am talking about. It's all very personal (and there is of course nothing wrong with that), and I stay unconvinced that this (as well as all the others I have encountered so far) is THE solution to the riddle/cypher.

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Dwtw

I agree that 777 has some significance, but you would have to also agree that 871 as XAOS is highly significant in the Thelemic corpus, being a word that appears more than once in the Holy Books, and explored in more depth in The Vision and the Voice.

 

I'm in Detroit for a few days, let's meet up and talk about it 😉

you can text the number below...

The key of AL times the letter of the Chariot, then the solar number, then the Priestess letter in triplicate, and the window and the camel and the letter of Lust.

 

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It's all very personal (and there is of course nothing wrong with that), and I stay unconvinced that this (as well as all the others I have encountered so far) is THE solution to the riddle/cypher.

Yes, I think that's right on the mark: it's all very personal indeed, as its primary purpose, I think, is to inspire the one for whom it's intended. 


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I agree that 777 has some significance, but you would have to also agree that 871 as XAOS is highly significant in the Thelemic corpus, being a word that appears more than once in the Holy Books, and explored in more depth in The Vision and the Voice.

 

I'm in Detroit for a few days, let's meet up and talk about it 😉

Of course, 871 is significant without question. In truth, there are as many children of the Prophet of Thelema as there are highly inspired and heavily influenced Thelemites. 

Aliana and I are actually quite private these days. We might meet eventually but we'd have to get to know you for some time first. We're always open to emailing, talking on the phone, or digital forms of communication.

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Can I just ask one really, really stupid question?

 

Why does everyone assume the cipher is only solvable with gematria?  

 


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Posted by: @ahihchiva567

we can only assume

"assume" is the key word there.  


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[*] The text in bold and between brackets below, was added by me to the text quoted from the two core scriptures of AC's Thelema. All underlining in quoted passages is mine, for the sake of emphasis: ]

But the emphasis starts to become multi-personal and I either get a headache (ouch) r I get dizzy and fall down (oof). However, I will attempt to decipher the holy writ of these other quoted people.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

But the thing is, nothing about 777 or the qabalah is "secret" or a "secret of truth" or even pertaining explicitly to Thelema.

Yes.

Next?

Posted by: @threefold31

26 = ?

Does this indicate that 26 (YHVH) equals a question mark, or does it indicate an "unknown?"

With "I = 0" I find that I must consider this "first" letter more.

 


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Posted by: @aleisterion

it's all very personal indeed, as its primary purpose, I think, is to inspire the one for whom it's intended. 

Welcome to the club of those who believe it was intended for them. We will see what comes from that. Keep up the great work.

By the way, if you want to try to answer my question about what makes you think that the two verses belong together you are very welcome to do so. I think the layout of the writing makes it clear that "What meaneth this, o prophet?" doesn't pertain to both verses. And of course I would be glad to know what makes Leah so much more special than Rose in regards to Liber L. As I said you are welcome to explain your point.

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Why does everyone assume the cipher is only solvable with gematria?  

It's not an assumption, its a necessity. Without gematria the puzzle is relegated to being a substitution cipher. Without gematria there is no effective way to convert the numbers into ideas, especially the value 89. 

 


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