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14/01/2020 11:06 pm  

 

Azidonis(@azidonis): "It almost sounds like the 'AMHR' was a type of rough draft for Liber L." (Source: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/correspondences-between-crowleys-pre-1904-works-and-liber-al/#post-78977  ) 

Said text written by AC in 1902, being a type of "rough draft for", or harbinger or herald for, his The Book of the Law written 1904, appears to support that the II:76 riddle or cipher in the latter book pertains to something of considerable importance. As the solution to the riddle in the aforementioned book AC wrote in 1902, there is described as being of a of supreme initiatic significance.   

(Another relevant source: Abracadabra (and Abrahadabra) in HaAretz - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/crowley-clippings/abracadabra-and-abrahadabra-in-haaretz/#post-78779 )


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17/01/2020 12:11 am  

@the_real_simon_iff“I propose that Richard opens a new thread where we can discuss his "78" theory - With reference to recent developments, I am delighted to note that a new thread entitled “The Cipher solved,” is more appropriate.

My solution adheres precisely to the conditions stated by @lashtal (Though I have reasons to wonder if the faustian/lashtal solution is incomplete):

There is a solution to the 'cipher'.

The solution is simple and requires no 'qabalistic noodling'.

The solution is self-evidently what was intended by AC/Aiwass. It requires no fiddling with verse numbers. All it needs is a scan of the original manuscript of Liber Legis, a photograph of the stele and a 1904 map of Cairo.”

As per the now-established tradition of successful cyber-cipher-coagulators, I feel unable to comment further – Which may delight certain members.  Unlike the solution, which certainly won’t.  😥

P.S. Does anyone know from where I can download a “Magickal Heir” Application Form? 😎 

 


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17/01/2020 1:14 am  
Posted by: @therealrtc

As per the now-established tradition of successful cyber-cipher-coagulators, I feel unable to comment further

What, no more "sincerely request[ing]" entreaties for lashtal/faustian to provide their solution(s), Richard?  Can you have given up asking so soon?

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17/01/2020 7:15 am  
Posted by: @therealrtc

I am delighted to note that a new thread entitled “The Cipher solved,” is more appropriate.

 

93!

And we would be delighted if you share your solution. Then we can discuss it. I for one would be glad to learn when exactly Faustian/Paul's "conditions" became "official nomenclature" (no disrespect intended, Paul and Faustian), because - well, "self-evidence" can be a tricky thing.

So, @therealrtc, please share your solution and open "The Cipher solved" thread. Or is "the discussion of the solution forbidden"? Self-evidently, of course...

Thanks in advance

 

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17/01/2020 10:55 am  

“ (no disrespect intended, Paul and Faustian), because - well, "self-evidence" can be a tricky thing. “

It might appear that he does operate with angelic influences beyond the normal christian prayers and supplications. Arresting the virtues which move the heavens; effecting sorceries in the wasteland to fashion a region with dazzling degrees of intensity !

Alakazam A site has manifested !

And if you deal, mingle and associate in the circle; you might deem that the covering of the foot and the trouser on the leg, might obscure a hairy calf and a cloven hoof . Disclosing The Se'irim, followers of the one beyond the primordial abyss that brought down the Numen with the fires from the super celestial regions !


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17/01/2020 4:52 pm  

@jamiejbarter - "What, no more "sincerely request[ing]" entreaties for lashtal/faustian to provide their solution(s), Richard? Can you have given up asking so soon? " - Jim-Jam, If you did not exist someone would simply have to invent you.  I actually requested that "any person with knowledge of the solution please refute my heresy" and am unimaginably joyful to now find myself in a position to self-satisfy.

It is indeed a great pity that our esteemed webmaster has elected to sit this one out with the sick, wheezy boys down the Crowley-hole. The solution is exquisitely constructed and worthy of discussion in its own right.  As for what it says... I wonder if @lashtal may indicate his intent to comment once the solution is posted?  C'mon, Paul, the cat is coming out of the bag... My version will have many jagged edges. Wouldn't you much prefer to break it to the members, gently?  Go with that new Horus current stuff.  It really is sweeping aside all obsolete forms.

@the_real_simon_iff - Lutz, not so much "official nomenclature." More like a suggested route up a mountain using three key features.  I got to the top using the faustian/lashtal guide.  It works, what more can I say.  Also - Thanks for your numerically questionable hint, which proved worth its weight in Cairo mythology. 🤗 


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17/01/2020 7:32 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

The solution is exquisitely constructed and worthy of discussion in its own right.

So why exactly is it that you are declining to explain or discuss this solution, which is yours and which you have discovered yourself?

This seems especially strange as you were so recently, as JB rightly points out, excoriating others for withholding their solutions (and continue to do so in this last post).

One more case of RTC, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf", aka "All Hat And No Cattle"?

Have you become one of the "sick, wheezy boys down the Crowley-hole" who you say hold back on solution-publishing?


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17/01/2020 8:22 pm  

@ignant666) – Withholding, moi?  Au contraire...  I intend to unleash my solution at the earliest possible time, though extended a courtesy to Paul by offering him the chance to go first – It’s going to happen, anyway.  Why wait for the solution to be spoon-fed to you like some semi-conscious invalid?  It’s really is not that difficult to deduce and you will gain so much satisfaction from the process, seriously.

P.S. Do you know if I can download a "Magickal Heir "Application From on LAShTAL?  😖 


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17/01/2020 8:40 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

I intend to unleash my solution at the earliest possible time

To paraphrase my old mentor in the law, Harold The Horrible, "NOW would be an excellent time to spoon-feed us!"

Posted by: @therealrtc

Why wait for the solution to be spoon-fed to you like some semi-conscious invalid?

I suppose it would just be churlish to quote your dozens of posts demanding that others do this?


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17/01/2020 8:42 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

P.S. Does anyone know from where I can download a “Magickal Heir” Application Form? 😎 

Sorry, but you have to be able to spell magical in order to qualify.


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17/01/2020 8:43 pm  

@ignant666 - "I suppose it would just be churlish to quote your dozens of posts demanding that others do this?" - In all fairness, I asked for a joint-effort.  When no volunteers showed up, I got off my arse and solved the thing myself, so...


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17/01/2020 8:56 pm  

@herupakraath - I don't need to spell it to be it.  Besides, as de facto Magickal Heir, I just changed the spelling. Anticipate an official proclamation anon...  😎 

 


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17/01/2020 9:36 pm  

@therealrtc - Got it- the solution joins the Pirie watermark evidence, and the Horus Toy, on the ever-lengthening list of things you say you have discovered, and say you will publish, some day.

I later moved from Missouri, the "Show Me State", to NYC, where we phrase the same sentiment as "Put up, or shut up."

Any word yet on how Aiwass was able to encode those GPS coordinates of the Stele in AL, BTW?

That was a topic you made several posts on, and devoted a lot of ballyhoo to, only to abruptly drop the topic when i pointed out that GPS coordinates didn't exist yet when AL was written, whether in 1904, or 1906.


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17/01/2020 9:39 pm  

@ignant666 - They aren't GPS coordinates. 😋 

 

 


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17/01/2020 9:48 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

They aren't GPS coordinates.

They sure were a couple weeks ago, when you posted a map showing that the GPS coordinates of the Stele ended in 78 and 93 (and posted two different longitude coordinates without admitting the first one was a mistake/rough draft).

So if they are not GPS coordinates, what are they?

We know they are not the degree/minutes/seconds ("DMS") coordinates in use during AC's lifetime. You did say that they were "DMS" coordinates, but i assume you understand by now that they just aren't- review my posts on this topic if you still haven't grasped this.


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17/01/2020 9:49 pm  

@ignant666 - They aren't GPS coordinates.

 


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Posted by: @therealrtc

They aren't GPS coordinates.

Posted by: @ignant666

So if they are not GPS coordinates, what are they?

Posted by: @therealrtc

They aren't GPS coordinates.

Ball in your court, pally.


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17/01/2020 10:06 pm  

@ignant666 - They aren't GPS coordinates. 😑 

 


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17/01/2020 10:11 pm  

I think you said that before, and i replied

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So if they are not GPS coordinates, what are they?

The numbers you posted certainly aren't degree/minute/second coordinates, and they are the GPS coordinates of the north end of the center hall of the Cairo Museum. Anyone can verify this by typing them into google maps or any computer mapping software.

So what on earth do you mean by this inane, and repeated, statement? Yes, they are GPS coordinates.


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17/01/2020 10:21 pm  
Posted by: @therealrtc

I actually requested that "any person with knowledge of the solution please refute my heresy" and am unimaginably joyful to now find myself in a position to self-satisfy.

OK, difference noted!  However I thought originally you were going to endure until the end ("Perdurabo") - that is, until you got resolution by a satisfactory response (e.g. from Paul)...

Posted by: @therealrtc

Jim-Jam, If you did not exist someone would simply have to invent you. 

Why thanks (I think I should take that as a compliment! - anybody disagree?)

Posted by: @ignant666

So why exactly is it that you are declining to explain or discuss this solution, which is yours and which you have discovered yourself?

This seems especially strange as you were so recently, as JB rightly points out, excoriating others for withholding their solutions (and continue to do so in this last post).

Yes, a process which I identified as "sauce for goose ganderfied" & which Richard himself accepted.

Posted by: @therealrtc

They aren't GPS coordinates.

Quick, someone summon Eol!  The software seems to have got stuck...

N Joy


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17/01/2020 11:26 pm  

While we are waiting for @therealrtc to tell us just what those two numbers he posted are, that "aren't GPS coordinates", despite being the GPS coordinates of the Stele (one way that we know this, and know that RTC also knows this, is that he posted a map with the GPS coordinates), i wonder if he'd care to provide some documentation for a claim late in Liber Bogus: that "thelema" is Arabic for "ass" (in the "arse" sense, not the donkey one).

As far as i can tell from all the online Arabic-English dictionaries and translation engines i can find, this is not correct.

One source was happy to transliterate "thelema" into ثيليما , but none could provide any Arabic word that seemed to support RTC's claim.

Do you have some actual basis for making this claim, RTC? Or just more hot air?


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18/01/2020 1:14 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

Do you have some actual basis for making this claim, RTC? Or just more hot air?

My money would be on the latter.


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18/01/2020 8:34 am  

@michael-staley - How much money are you willing to wager? Are you confident to offer good odds?

@ignant666 - They aren't GPS coordinates. [emoticon omitted]


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18/01/2020 12:44 pm  

This is getting kinda silly.

The coordinates you posted are the GPS coordinates of a point in the north end of the center hall of the Cairo Museum. This is not debatable or a matter of opinion. Anyone can verify that i am correct by typing them into google maps.

You say, over and over and over, that

Posted by: @therealrtc

They aren't GPS coordinates.

but refuse to say what you think they are.

If you genuinely think they are not GPS coordinates, you are engaged in the kind of self-delusion you rightly criticize in others.

But i don't think it is possible for an intelligent person, which you clearly are, to continue to sincerely maintain that they aren't GPS coordinates in the face of the overwhelming evidence i have provided that they are in fact GPS coordinates.

So there is only one explanation here that fits the facts: you are a hoaxster acting in bad faith.


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18/01/2020 1:12 pm  

@ignant666 - As a slight aside, though on this theme - When looking for clues in the riddle, it is difficult to avoid getting blinded by the "R P S T O V A L" bit.  This is sooooo suggestive of 'RSVP to AL' as to suggest GPS guidance.  To use a simile, you are perhaps fixating on the King and aught consider on what He is seated.  💣 

We can talk about this further at my Cipher-Solving Party.  All are invited and the size/venue will depend on how much @michael-staley is willing to donate... albeit to a most worthy cause.   🥂  Do we invite @lashtal? 🤔 


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18/01/2020 2:14 pm  

So, basically, you just make shit up, and resort to coyness and obfuscation when you are called on it?

You are unable to give a straight answer to any question. Your constant accusations that AC was a fraud begin to sound like projection.

One more time, i am far from believing that AC's account of where AL came from is true, so i am a receptive audience for your arguments. But your few good points are buried in the ocean of hype, puffery, bad faith, and silly games.

A few open questions you refuse, or are unable, to answer:

What are those coordinates that "aren't GPS coordinates"? Why do they use the GPS format (degrees and fractional degrees given to six decimal places), if they "aren't GPS coordinates"?

Why did you claim that the coordinates are "DMS" coordinates*, when this is clearly not true?

Why did you give two different figures for the longitude coordinate, without mentioning that you had done this?

What is the basis for your claim that "thelema" means ass/arse in Arabic?


*Degree/minute/second coordinates consist of two figures stated as three sets of numbers each: degrees (using the degree symbol used in temperature and A.'. A.'. grades), minutes (one sixtieth of a degree), seconds (one sixtieth of a minute). Degrees and minutes are never stated as fractional or decimal amounts, because fractions of degrees are stated in minutes, and fractions of minutes are stated in seconds.


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18/01/2020 5:30 pm  

@ignant666 - So, basically, you just make shit up, and resort to coyness and obfuscation when you are called on it? – Yes!  Call me Crowley! 😯 I understand your impatience to get stuck into the solution (and its consequences).   My reasons for suggesting Crowley was a fraud are explained in Liber Bogus.   With hindsight, I could have saved myself much effort had I thought to first solve the riddle, but there ya go...

I haven’t blurted out the solution for several reasons.  Primarily, I hoped that someone else would crack it and post their answer (it really isn’t that difficult).  Also curious as to how that person(s) would react.  Would they, too, catch an acute case of zip-lip?   I was disappointed that nobody actively volunteered themselves to participate in a concentrated group-assault (why bother with this triviality when there are such riveting topics as favourite movies, songs, books, porn-stars with degrees, chess articles and spinning ALs to stimulate and entertain).  I hoped that the hints I’ve posted would fill members with enough energised enthusiasm to solve it themselves.  Annoyingly, and as happens all-too-often, members’ own self-disruptive qualities degraded the stage into a minefield.

I will be publishing my solution as a hugely-overpriced, 78 page (9” x 6”) illustrated throughout, pamphlet - Available from 01 April 2020.

I wonder if the benevolence of @lashtal or @faustian may stretch to bestowing on members a free alternative based on the latter’s solution?  Thus saving all an unnecessary, hefty wedge, and condemning me to a really nasty care home.  It’s a win, win situation and... How noble would that be?  ("It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done... " - A tale of Two Crowleys, by Dick Sins )

You want to solve the riddle?  Just consider what Ankh-f-n-Khnosu would have in his hand if he visited Cairo?  One more before bed... If you saw ‘just’ the squiggles (above / below 24 and 89) on a button, what would instinctively deduce about the button's function?  It really is that elementary! 😊 

 


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18/01/2020 5:31 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

This is getting kinda silly.

Quote of the day, week, month, year.

 


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18/01/2020 6:41 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

Quote of the day, week, month, year.

The year is only eighteen days young though (i.e., less than a month)!  But yes, as Graham Chapman as the Monty Python Major would aver, it's all getting very silly.

Posted by: @therealrtc

Does anyone know from where I can download a “Magickal Heir” Application Form?

I will be publishing my solution as a hugely-overpriced, 78 page (9” x 6”) illustrated throughout, pamphlet - Available from 01 April 2020.

I would also like to nominate Richard for  Supreme "Wind-Up Merchant of the Year".  So far.  Paul, Elite, Faustian... all similar "no-show" competition now relegated to (second) place and beyond. 🤡 

(Emojoishly yours)

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18/01/2020 9:11 pm  

RTC(@therealrtc): "With hindsight, I could have saved myself much effort had I thought to first solve the riddle, but there ya go... "

 

RTC, on the first page of the thread titled 'The Inauguration of Aleister Crowley’s New Aeon of Horus' you wrote: "... between you and I... it’s not getting any easier... " (source: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/the-inauguration-of-aleister-crowleys-new-aeon-of-horus/#post-101385 ). You appear to be carrying a heavy burden, and as the following is a very personal question, you don't have to answer it if it triggers you to much and makes you very upset trying to answer it:

If you had solved said riddle at the beginning of your involvement with Aleister Crowley's Thelema, would that have saved yourself much effort in your life?


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18/01/2020 9:43 pm  

RTC: "... If you saw ‘just’ the squiggles (above / below 24 and 89) on a button, what would instinctively deduce about the button's function?  It really is that elementary!":

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18/01/2020 10:31 pm  

@shiva - ... of the New Aeon!  Ha ha ha ha.

@jamiejbarter – Jim-Jam, wow, two honours in a week.  Surely doeth my sacketh runneth over.  I will list the trophy on eBay and donate all proceeds to unfortunate victims struck dumb by this pestilent solution.  In fact, why don’t you and @wellreadwellbred fire-up those huge, juicy mega-brains you habitually dazzle us mere mortals with and solve the thing yourselves.  How satisfying would that be!

@wellreadwellbredIf you had solved said riddle at the beginning of... – What a thought-provoking question.  It so distracted me that I didn’t taste my supper.  In reply...  Enjoyment of Christmas isn’t irrevocably marred by an awareness that Father Christmas is not real.  Nonetheless, the transition point is bound to sting a bit and probably in proportion to a given individual’s placement in the ‘Father Christmas Is Real’ campaign hierarchy.

P.S.  Sod posting a scan of the whole page.  Just create a button with the two squiggles on it and upload that – What does it, obviously, do when pressed? 😯 

 


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19/01/2020 11:07 am  

RTC(@therealrtc): ""My solution adheres precisely to the conditions stated by @lashtal (Though I have reasons to wonder if the faustian/lashtal solution is incomplete):

“There is a solution to the 'cipher'.

The solution is simple and requires no 'qabalistic noodling'.

The solution is self-evidently what was intended by AC/Aiwass. It requires no fiddling with verse numbers. All it needs is a scan of the original manuscript of Liber Legis, a photograph of the stele and a 1904 map of Cairo[source: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/various-ii76-cipher-solutions/paged/4/#post-102733 ]."" 

 

RTC(@therealrtc), in the abow quote from you, earlier in this thread, you state that your solution to the II:76 riddle adhers precisely to the conditions stated by @lashtal, is this still the case with your "If you saw ‘just’ the squiggles (above / below 24 and 89) on a button, what would instinctively deduce about the button's function [source: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/various-ii76-cipher-solutions/paged/4/#post-102812 ]?​"-solution?? That is, does said button's function pertain to "a photograph of the stele and a 1904 map of Cairo"??


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19/01/2020 1:00 pm  

@wellreadwellbred – Keep your thoughts simple.  Don’t over-complicate the matter and don’t hunt clues with reference to the story that’s almost hard-wired into your brain.  Go where the clues lead, not where you feel they must.

The three suggested tools get you there, and pretty much in equal measure.  The button’s function relates directly to the two numbers Crowley specified as requiring of the button’s function,  Think about this later.  It won’t make much sense until you get the line and cross nailed down.  On this theme – If you are given the geographic start and end points of the line, its cross would fall naturally ‘on the spot.’  What purpose does the grid serve?   None!  [Heresy Trigger – Apologies in advance] When Crowley scrawled that thick line across his MS page, it was hugely important that the cipher was solved (or rather self-solved).   However, twenty years later, when he added the grid, the converse was true and he most certainly didn’t want the riddle solving.  Ignore the grid.  One more before lunch... Crowley only got one chance at daubing that line – Can’t erase and move it a bit to the left and a bit bendier at the edge.  Think how he may have achieved a reasonably accurate line, and what he (possibly) may have given a bit more consideration to beforehand.  😆 

Surely, at this point, surely we would all greatly welcome a re-entry from our beloved webmaster, @lashtal.  He was, arguably, first to distil the consequence from Crowley’s cipher.  C'mon, who's gonna press the red button?

P.S. I found this old document amongst my file of unpublished Cairo material.

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19/01/2020 3:06 pm  

From one museum to another...


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19/01/2020 10:38 pm  

RTC(@therealrtc): "Keep your thoughts simple.  Don’t over-complicate the matter and don’t hunt clues with reference to the story that’s almost hard-wired into your brain."

Simply and uncomplicatedly, AC's The Book of the Law is constructed around  a banal and simple message:  

In it AC postulates a "Pure will" (I:44), and that any individual doing said will ("Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." (I:40), "There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt." (III:60)), is according to said book, acting in agreement or conformity with a universal law postulated within this book: "... the Law is for all." (I:34), and "The word of the Law is THELEMA." (I:39).

Said The Book of the Law, is preceded by the Book of the Law being described as called forth from nature itself, in Ambrosii Magi Hortus Rosarum, which AC wrote in 1902.

AC has with respect to his Ambrosii Magi Hortus Rosarum (Latin: Magick Nectar of the Rose Garden), left us with this tongue in cheek remark in a footnote on page 322, in The Star in the West: A Critical Essay Upon the Works of Aleister Crowley, by J. F. Fuller, published 1907:
"Ambrosii Magi Hortus Rosarum, vol. ii, p. 212. I do not hesitate to add here that had this extraordinary Essay been written in the days of Albertus Magnus, it would now be considered one of the most important and curious of magical works; many religions have been founded on less."

That is, again simply and uncomplicatedly, AC appears to jokingly hint at having been playing around with creating a text on which to found a religion, as early as 1902 (before later creating the Egyptomanian text on which he founded his Thelema).

And, once again simply and uncomplicatedly. With respect to the latter text's II:76 riddle, I have in this thread already described a solution according to which the words "There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it [...] to tell them this glad word.", written within" said verse pertains to the male godform Horus. And that "4 6 3 8 A B 1 2 4 i L G M O R ? I X 24 89 R P S T O V A L" is random nonsense written by AC to distract ordinary plain fools.

That is, "... this glad word.", would be told in a mystic way to any individual person ready to receive it from "the Lord initiating." (I:49), according to this text. 

This this recembles how the German freethinker, humanist, and radical reformer Sebastian Franck, ".... came to believe that God communicates with individuals through a portion of the divine remaining in each human being. He came to dismiss the human institution of the church [compare: "But your holy place shall be untouched throughout the centuries: though with fire and sword it be burnt down & shattered, yet an invisible house there standeth, and shall stand until the fall of the Great Equinox; when Hrumachis shall arise and the double-wanded one assume my throne and place." (III:34)], and believed that theology could not properly claim to give expression to this inner word of God in the heart of the believer. For example, Franck wrote, "To substitute Scripture for the self-revealing Spirit is to put the dead letter in the place of the living Word..." (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Franck

You RTC(@therealrtc), appears to hint at a solution for said II:76 riddle, according to which Aleister Crowley originally constructed it for for the benefit of his own status within his Thelema.


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20/01/2020 1:48 am  

Well i am not sure which 1904 map to use

i have one

An a stele picture

and a photo of the Liber A/L page with the line

not getting too far with overlaying them digitally.

i might have to check the sizes of each. So they fit better.


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20/01/2020 9:00 am  

@newneubergouch2

Cairo Map 1908


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20/01/2020 12:06 pm  

@jamiejbarter) – Jim-Jam, Have you and your big, scrummy brain gone all quiet because you’ve not got it yet, or because you have?

@wellreadwellbred – Well, most of your post sounded pretty complicated to me. Think about this – If the riddle were yours, and you didn’t want anyone to solve it, what better contraceptive that suggesting it was nonsense to divert fools. Wind your Simplicity App back 113 notches.  Crowley probably started planning this from the day he joined the Golden Dawn.  For now, forget everything Crowley wrote, except the riddle pieces.  Once you’ve solved it, everything Crowley wrote is subject to... erm... reappraisal.

Prior to figuring it out, I suspected that the solution conflicted with the version reproduced in EOTG (and everywhere else), but couldn’t be sure how significant the jagged edge was.  I repeatedly requested that someone with knowledge of the solution deny my suggestion.  Nobody did.  Having now cracked it, I’ll upgrade my plea.  This time for the mutual benefit of LAShTAL members and everyone else reading this thread and wondering WTF is going on.   

'The solution inherently exposes a fatal conflict with Crowley’s published account. (Think Iceberg & Titanic, or nuclear power & Chernobyl).  The solution is incidental with respect to its catastrophic impact on the whole picture.'  I sincerely request that any person with knowledge of the solution, and we’re all looking in the direction of @lashtal, please refute my heresy.

@lashtal – Without wishing to sound in any way disrespectful, or dismissive... Do you intend to remain in complete denial of this matter once it becomes public domain?

 

C'mon, who's gonna press the big red button?

but

 

P.S. (@wellreadwellbred) Didn’t respond accurately the other day.  The 24 and 89, once ‘treated’ are applied directly to a map, starting were ‘X’ marks the spot... and... If you’re looking for the address of Crowley’s elusive Reception flat encoded in the riddle... don’t bother. On the plus side... if you want somewhere with a menu to-die-for...

 


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20/01/2020 1:05 pm  
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'The solution inherently exposes a fatal conflict with Crowley’s published account. (Think Iceberg & Titanic, or nuclear power & Chernobyl).  The solution is incidental with respect to its catastrophic impact on the whole picture.'  I sincerely request that any person with knowledge of the solution, and we’re all looking in the direction of @lashtal, please refute my heresy.

@lashtal – Without wishing to sound in any way disrespectful, or dismissive... Do you intend to remain in complete denial of this matter once it becomes public domain?

I'm beginning to find the goading nature of your posts rather irritating. I can't be any clearer: I will not be commenting on the Solution or on my reasons for not participating in the game you're playing here.

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20/01/2020 1:44 pm  
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@ignant666 - As a slight aside, though on this theme - When looking for clues in the riddle, it is difficult to avoid getting blinded by the "R P S T O V A L" bit.  This is sooooo suggestive of 'RSVP to AL' as to suggest GPS guidance.  To use a simile, you are perhaps fixating on the King and aught consider on what He is seated.  💣 

We can talk about this further at my Cipher-Solving Party.  All are invited and the size/venue will depend on how much @michael-staley is willing to donate... albeit to a most worthy cause.   🥂  Do we invite @lashtal? 🤔 

or suggestive of "Pastor L"


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20/01/2020 10:34 pm  
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the goading nature of your posts

What, the 'L' ?

Hebrewistically profaning,

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20/01/2020 11:18 pm  

@jamiejbarter – Jim-Jam, Does this unfettered joviality indicate that you’ve finally blundered into the solution?  If not, I may have to get all goady and bust a fable in your lardy ass. 😎 

@newneubergouch2From one museum to another... – Funnily enough, that seems to be the one facet both sides agree on.  

@ptoner – Indeed, but to solve that segment you gotta transmute all letters into a coherent and apt catch phrase. 😫 

@lashtal – A “game” you initiated, before brusquely opting out of... but, please do not insult anyone’s intelligence by diminishing this issue to resemble an adult plaything.  As repeatedly stated on this website, I seek the historical truth (warts ‘n’ all), which is much, much bigger than you, or I, or our insignificant individual serving preferences.

On 01 April this year I will publish a comprehensive account of my solution.  Its ramifications speak for themselves.  I note my disappointment that others, in possession of the solution, elected to adopt a head-in-the-sand, Fifth Amendment stance of ‘No Comment.’  There are moments in life which we carry with us always.  This is one such moment.  

In the meantime, I heartily encourage all with an interest go old-school Thelema and ‘Solve as thou wilt shall be the whole of the riddle...’ Crack the code and get to be Captain Smith, stood at the helm, watching a slice of ice you can’t steer around close-in at 24 knots...  Lemon, anyone? 😐 

C’mon, who’s gonna press the big red self-destruct button? 💣 

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20/01/2020 11:33 pm  

@therealrtc - You seem to imagine there are lots of folks who, if they found definitive evidence that AL wasn't delivered by a praeterhuman intelligence on AC's honeymoon in Cairo in 1904, but rather was "fabricated" by him in 1906, would say "Oh, well this was a waste of time then!" and get into ham radio or model railroading or something.

I don't think this is necessarily correct. I have assumed, since i first read the Confessions age 11 or 12 in the early '70s, that AC was not entirely telling the truth about where AL came from. Yet here i am, 50 years later.

If you actually produce your solution this April Fool's Day, i will read it with interest, just as, should you ever produce the watermark evidence that your last book promised years ago, that you've still never produced, i would read that with interest.

But i won't hold my breath waiting for either. Can we now assume you will enter a Period Of Silence on this matter, since you refuse to publish for more than two months?


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20/01/2020 11:36 pm  
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please do not insult anyone’s intelligence

That's an interesting remark. You do little else.


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20/01/2020 11:51 pm  
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Jim-Jam, Does this unfettered joviality indicate that you’ve finally blundered into the solution? 

Might do.  Having said that though, I think I might just decide to wait till someone else "shows their hand" first, as everyone involved seems to be doing the same thing and no one has any incentive to stick their head over the parapet..

"Apres vous",

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21/01/2020 12:21 am  

@ignant666You seem to imagine there are lots of folks who, if they found definitive evidence that AL wasn't delivered by a praeterhuman intelligence... [...] Can we now assume you will enter a Period Of Silence on this matter, since you refuse to publish for more than two months? – I imagine nothing.  My preference is that each form their own opinion, as derived from the most informed consensus of material.  This issue is another brick in that wall... albeit a huge, great muchy-hurty breezy-blocky.

Not long ago, I solved this riddle from nothing more than an exchange between faustian and lashtal, on this very site.  Back then, I would have willingly paid good money for a quarter of the hints I’ve littered these threads with... but, yes... I’ll speak the name of the solution that dare not speak its name on 01 April.  Until then, I leave all to ponder on what transpired here, and why.

@jamiejbarterno one has any incentive to stick their head over the parapet.. O1 April...   

@michael-staley – “That's an interesting remark. You do little else.” – With advancing years, I am increasingly intolerant of egocentric flights of fantasy posing as reality.

 

So, who’s gonna press the big red Thelemic self-destruct button?  It comes with a Magickal Heir cape...

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21/01/2020 12:40 am  

It is perfectly obvious that your "solution", and your "Horus Toy", and all the rest of the stuff you claim you will publish someday (because we all know that what we'll get on 1 April is nothing but excuses), are nothing like a "big red Thelemic self-destruct button", or why on earth would you be here?

Whatever you claim you will someday prove about AC/AL, it is very obvious you find him/it compelling, and very, very important.

"Thelemic fundamentalists", should such folk actually exist, might well be upset, if you were ever to produce all the things you say will, but i don't think that includes many here.


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21/01/2020 12:44 am  

@therealrtc - Until April 01, at least:

bollocks.

 


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