Erm... 01 April... Complete solution. Would it help if I added big, flashing arrows and a team of special needs aware interpreters?
So, you admit that, right now, you can't give a straight answer to any question, but you will, you promise, cross your heart, never mind those other times before? So, your basic pie-in-the-sky religio-spiritual con job then? "The rule is, jam tomorrow and jam yesterday - but never jam today"?
Though, I suspect, nothing short of a signed confession, notarised by Aiwass, and captured on film, would make any headway towards convincing a certain element.
This is also pretty rich.
Considering you have, thus far, provided exactly zero evidence to accompany the all your hype and puffery, how would you know what might convince "a certain element"? Note that, assuming that means Breezers, Guntherites, Duplex Dudes, and other Caliphornia partisans, i am not one of that "element".
I can assure the members that will not be happening.
Very good of you, herupakraath, but I think most of us need no such assurance. Mind you, there might still be some people waiting with bated breath for the promised watermark evidence, or the supposedly-damning statement of Rose Kelly.
And he refers to Crowley as a snake-oil salesman . . .
Mind you, there might still be some people waiting with bated breath ...
Mind everyone ... Crowley wrote that whomsoever solved II:76 would be a Magus.
So then we see multiple persona-posters feverishly working with x-word puzzle intensity, using computers, animated gifs, maps, pages, GPS coords, and other mental enhancements to solve said cipher-code-puzzle.
So, I wonder, is it a desire to become a Magus that drives said persona-posters? If so, then they are insane or suffer from some other consciousness disorder.
If nay, then why bother? It supposedly takes a Magus to crack the code. He will probably not be using his mentat to reveal the solution.
Yes, yes, and verily Amounly Amen, someone could merely be puzzle-oriented and with grim determination, or just intuition, or maybe wisdom, he might dissolve the mystery and thereby be catapulted into Magusdom, even though that's the last thing he wants.
Any shes, as well, are welcome to make the attemp, but there seems to be a dearth (Vader) of shes currently involved in these cipher threads ... or any other threads to boot.
Your (anyone's) cautious analysis of the above irrefutable facts may reveal a certain amount of circular logic, which is another form of mental aberration.
Blessed are they who go round in circles, for they shall be known as big wheels.
I am correct in assuming that I have your tacit permission to reproduce on the back cover of my imaginary publication the most apt specimens of this sustained barrage of hearty congratulations on solving a century-old riddle? 😖
P.S. @shiva - That my solution of the riddle promotes me to Magus and Magickal Heir, whilst inherently invalidating both positions is... ironic, or paradoxical? I may make a decent tablecloth from the cape.
@ignant666 - "Evasive? You can't give a straight answer to any question," - Erm... 01 April... Complete solution. Would it help if I added big, flashing arrows and a team of special needs aware interpreters?
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@lashtal - Given the prevalent climate of inclusivity and equality, I suggested big, flashing arrows to assist the visually impaired, and the eclectic team of special needs advisers to assist in guiding whatever disability to whatever is proving ‘evasive.’ Did you object because I omitted a horn, for the hearing impaired, or other?
I guess it all falls under the ‘fair usage’ clause. 😖
As a "visually impaired", "special needs" person, with "whatever disability", could you please point me with "big, flashing arrows" to your non-evasive answers to my questions:
the (two different) GPS codes you say you decrypted from AL, and
the evidence you say you have to back up your claim that "thelema" is Arabic for "ass/arse", and of course
that evidence you say you have had for more than three years now (but haven't gotten around to publishing) about what watermarks of typing paper A. Pirie sold in 1904 (you know, that evidence Pirie says doesn't exist in their corporate archives?)
With appreciation for your kind indulgence of one so slow and stupid.
@ignant666 – Are you registered? Is your Number to hand and your card in-date? Do you require a horn?
1 – They aren’t GPS coordinates, or codes. (I already mentioned that. ADS?)
2 – Crowley himself wrote the quote, which I believe is reproduced, with a brief comment, in Liber Bogus.
3 – Not just watermark evidence. There’s a whole bag of other goodies... and why restrict the hunt to Pirie? They sold loads and loads to wholesalers, distributors, etc... Many records, all available (allegedly) following the birth of 666, Sex and the New Aeon of Horus – Which, let’s not forget, (allegedly) comes with a free Horus Toy™ Bonus or what!
@lashtal – Hey, at least I do occasionally dribble something out! Did someone think Egypt book... solution book? No... Thank goodness for that. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it. 😝
1 – They aren’t GPS coordinates, or codes. (I already mentioned that. ADS?)
2 – Crowley himself wrote the quote, which I believe is reproduced, with a brief comment, in Liber Bogus.
3 – Not just watermark evidence. There’s a whole bag of other goodies... and why restrict the hunt to Pirie? They sold loads and loads to wholesalers, distributors, etc... Many records, all available (allegedly) following the birth of 666, Sex and the New Aeon of Horus – Which, let’s not forget, (allegedly) comes with a free Horus Toy™ Bonus or what!
So much for straight answers, and "big, flashing arrows":
1) So what are they then (as i have asked around a dozen times with no answer yet)? Where did they come from? What do they mean?
2) No, it isn't, not in the version i read. It is a brief (2 lines) contextless snippet (not presented as a Crowley quote), with no reference, citation etc. No source i have been able to find provides the least support for this claim. Do you have some?
3) We are waiting to see it for "nearly 9 years" now.
1 – You figure it out, or wait until (allegedly)01 April. I'm so tempted to post a pic of the front cover, but the secret is plastered all over it, so...
2 – As memory serves the quote is from an unpublished work titled “Notes on Conversations with Norman Mudd...”
3 – I always was rather fond of the number 10, customs seizures barring... 🤔
Am relived, by proxy, to have assurances that reproductions of particularly quotable gobbets may grace my (allegedly) forthcoming project. How ironic / paradoxical / Thelemic would it have been for a delayed release in consequence of a single sour grape cast by Mr. Scaley - Tragedy of epic proportions, or what! 😖
The "Norman Mudd" typescript actually has THELMA as "Anus". Whoever typed it seems to spell Thelema correctly elsewhere, so perhaps it's not a misspelling. The other word there is ASWA (as "prick") so who knows whether Aiwaz was being discussed.
Of course, that very same typescript says, "Book refers to Stele. Provable that incidents connected with Stele were of date March-April 1904." but I guess it's only the first bit that was interesting.
So much for straight answers, and "big, flashing arrows": 1) So what are they then (as i have asked around a dozen times with no answer yet)? Where did they come from? What do they mean?
You're talking to a machine known as 'market-capitalism' and it's like talking to a ,well, a machine isn't it? Your frustration will go on and on. I suggest using your ignore list then if you can be bothered pay the product a visit on April 1st.
You're talking to a machine known as 'market-capitalism'
This is absurd. Cole's booklet is not something which is likely to sell in hundreds of thousands of copies. I don't care for the cut of his jib, but I doubt very much that he's in it for the money. We are, when all is said and done, a pretty small market; as a publisher, I can attest to that.
I think @therealrtc is not is much engaged in marketing hype, as he is an unusually obsessed crank, with delusions of adequacy, and the self-awareness of a mollusc.
He can't answer the questions because he hasn't solved the riddle. ...but he may publish a theory in April so until then keep on going around in a circle of 'there’s no such thing as bad publicity.” The theory is that as long as people are talking about you, it’s a good thing. Even if they’re saying awful things about you or your company, the publicity is supposed to still be good because your name is on the top of people’s minds, keeping you relevant...….
@newneubergouch2 - Keep plugging away and don't be deterred by the noisy panic emanating from some who, it seems, are almost frantic to avoid seeing a solution. Ah well... it looks like we're gonna need a bigger cover. 😖
RTC (@therealrtc): "The riddle is part of Liber L and both are part of a grand deception Crowley probably started the day he joined the Golden Dawn."
ccx (@ccx): "Of course, that very same typescript says, "Book refers to Stele. Provable that incidents connected with Stele were of date March-April 1904." but I guess it's only the first bit that was interesting."
"It is my special business to set people to obtain the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy guardian Angel by such means as I have myself proved valid. By the word "conversation" I understand communication similar to The Book of the Law as to origin, authority and value, each as may be suited to the nature and True Will of the aspirant or experimenter." ( Source: Dictation & Discussion to Frater Omnia Pro Veritate [Norman Mudd] From Frater O. M. [Edward Aleister Crowley] - - - http://magicianandexorcist.org/mastertherion/spiritletter/mudd.html )
RTC, are you implying that AC already from him joining the GD, intended to become elevated to Supreme Grand Poobah, with respect to his "special business to set people to obtain the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy guardian Angel"? And if this is what you claim, are you aware of that this i accusing AC of extraordinary ambition, arrogance and hubris (traits that could ultimately stain AC's career in his said special business?)?
... are you aware of that this iS accusing AC of extraordinary ambition, arrogance and hubris (traits that could ultimately stain AC's career in his said special business?)?
Conversation of the Holy guardian Angel = cultivate ones own Hermetical Nous - become a talisman - the asclepius book of divine will - Knowledge of Re - Poimandres
Watcher over night travelers ,The Pathfinder, has left the multitudes and rejoined those who are in the light, he has opened the dwelling place of the stars and the truth that has crossed over. Lord of Thebes, opens the doors of the pre Mosaic sky.
Marsilio Ficino Pico Della mirandola Cornelius Agrippa Giordarno Bruno - The Giordanisti
traits that could ultimately stain AC's career in his said special business?
Perhaps you would consider changing the could to wood, no, would ?
Your terms, "extraordinary ambition, arrogance and hubris," seem to coincide with LAShTAL threads where people are Crowley-bashing or otherwise disclosing and discussing the typical, common and regularly-seen attributes of any person who is incarnated among us on the first ray.
That is, first ray people are arrogant and overbearing, but they get the job done.
@newneubergouch2 - Keep plugging away and don't be deterred by the noisy panic emanating from some who, it seems, are almost frantic to avoid seeing a solution. Ah well... it looks like we're gonna need a bigger cover. 😖
I hope my theory is included in your appendix.... The boxing links are obvious!
@ccx – “The "Norman Mudd" typescript actually has THELMA as "Anus".” - I beg to differ. The spelling is correct.
@wellreadwellbred – I’m suggesting that Crowley planned what we know as EOTG from the day he joined the G.D.. @lashtal must have good reasons for his own heretical suggestion regarding “... the distinct possibility that he saw the stele and wrote Liber L vel Legis in 1902 and 1903.” I'm merely suggesting that early in 1906 his plan changed (for reasons I've already noted). When this happened, the riddle's solution became toxic - For reasons unlikely to be explained on 01 April.
@shiva – “... GPS cords...” - They aren’t GPS coordinates.
@newneubergouch2 – Have you got your line and grid aligned yet? Once orientated correctly, you’ll be ready to play with the big, red Thelemic self-destruct button. Whoopie!
@dom – “It's marketing bait for chrissakes otherwise...” Erm you may have noticed that I’m practically falling over myself to assist anyone with a genuine interest to solve the darned thing.
@ptoner – “I hope my theory is included in your appendix.... The boxing links are obvious!” – Essential reading. Who noticed that the canvas for the 1975 Ali vs Frazier ‘Thriller in Manila’ was a map of Cairo! And the way the Interval Babe, between rounds 7 and 8, stands precisely... Dang, that Aiwass was good, ‘e was.
@herupakraath – “That reads like something Colonel Kurtz might have rattled off...” – Ha ha ha ha. 😆
@herupakraath - They are, if you use equally arbitrary subgroups... R : PST : OV : AL. Besides, it's much more fun to simply add '200 + 80 + 300 + 9 + 70 + 6 + 1 = 666' - Back of the net, or what! Where's the 'L' gone? It's where the Law should be, but not the ALaw. Well, not until 1906, allegedly. 🙃
ccx (@ccx): "Of course, that very same typescript says, "Book refers to Stele. Provable that incidents connected with Stele were of date March-April 1904." but I guess it's only the first bit that was interesting."
If you mean the statement "Book refers to Stele", the Book (of the Law) does refer to the Stele (for example, in III:10: 'Get The Stele of revealing itself...'). This being so, could you explain then why it would have been particularly 'interesting' to you?
They are, if you use equally arbitrary subgroups... R : PST : OV : AL.
I use pairs of numbers and letters as they appear in the puzzle, which is not arbitrary; you skipped over R instead of using RP as a group, which are not in alphabetical order.
it's much more fun to simply add '200 + 80 + 300 + 9 + 70 + 6 + 1 = 666
Even if you were not omitting a letter in order to produce the value 666, you still are faced with proving the value is not a random result. One gematria system in every 1800 will cause the letters RPSTOV to enumerate as 666; this is well within the range of randomness for systems that use cardinal values.
Yes I have found your work and thus contribution to be of great merit on a number of fronts... if in the least it served as a means of taking a tour of Cairo through maps both new and old, for how else would I have found such a gem as the Windsor Hotel, which I will note was once an annex of the Shepheard's and thus perhaps a nice quite place to rent an apartment...and of course Windsor resonates with Balmoral, so be so kind to send this note to the appropriate....
A rich history the Windsor has, noted to this day as sort of a time capsule of a bygone era, and where it has been noted for its architecture features of what has been described, at least on wiki as neo-Mamlukian, the arches over the window are evocative of the Stele....
I will note that old king cole, @RTC has said of yours, Paul Toner, "Essential Reading", but the people might be more concerned with the ‘Thriller in Manila’ than crossword puzzles...
There is more things to say, but expounding is a form of boxing...
And the glad word....found in 93!
HG
P. S.
The maps also reference a Victoria Hotel across the street from the Windsor Hotel, and that is where your overlay of the X references, not Shepheard's as your wrote, thus the Windsor might have been an annex of the Victoria. Victoria with Windsor would be congruent with the RSVP TO BALMORAL clue if such a clue is indeed...
To those interested there is a Victoria Hotel still in Cairo, alas built in 1906...,which is definitive proof that everything was made up....or written very quickly over a spate of days in a spring fever...hearing voices, minds filled with images, new names, how to spell....time to get my skis out!
Yes I have found your work and thus contribution to be of great merit on a number of fronts... if in the least it served as a means of taking a tour of Cairo through maps both new and old, for how else would I have found such a gem as the Windsor Hotel, which I will note was once an annex of the Shepheard's and thus perhaps a nice quite place to rent an apartment...and of course Windsor resonates with Balmoral, so be so kind to send this note to the appropriate....
A rich history the Windsor has, noted to this day as sort of a time capsule of a bygone era, and where it has been noted for its architecture features of what has been described, at least on wiki as neo-Mamlukian, the arches over the window are evocative of the Stele....
I will note that old king cole, @RTC has said of yours, Paul Toner, "Essential Reading", but the people might be more concerned with the ‘Thriller in Manila’ than crossword puzzles...
There is more things to say, but expounding is a form of boxing...
And the glad word....found in 93!
HG
P. S.
The maps also reference a Victoria Hotel across the street from the Windsor Hotel, and that is where your overlay of the X references, not Shepheard's as your wrote, thus the Windsor might have been an annex of the Victoria. Victoria with Windsor would be congruent with the RSVP TO BALMORAL clue if such a clue is indeed...
To those interested there is a Victoria Hotel still in Cairo, alas built in 1906...,which is definitive proof that everything was made up....or written very quickly over a spate of days in a spring fever...hearing voices, minds filled with images, new names, how to spell....time to get my skis out!
Good find Paul concerning the Victoria Hotel on the 1904 Kairo map....and near the Hippodrome!
On the Nichosoff Map, the Victoria Hotel is across the street from the Windsor Hotel and does have park around it. This is north of Shepheards Hotel which of course is north of the Continental Hotel that itself is across from the Esbekji Park.
66 El Gomhoria Street, which the auto spell wants to spell as "Gomorra", is where a present day Victoria Hotel is found and which on present day maps is placed north of the Windsor Hotel.
Here is the website for the Victoria Hotel on 66 El Gomhoria Street, whose doors are Stele evocative and with a grid, but the site says that the hotel was built in 1906.
It should be said that both the 1904 Kairo map and the later Nichosoff map of Cairo are both it would seem tourist approximation maps.... though certainly with time cities do change and...
Now what is interesting in all of this, is that this area of town, which on the Nichosoff map we find the Windsor Hotel across the Victoria Hotel, is on the 1904 Kairo map shown as park though there do seem some building s, but what is interesting here is a street name. That name is: Sh Bab El Hadid! Or as it would be fully named Shari Bab El Hadid!!!!
The word Shari is an interesting word if by google~~~
"There are two main meaning of the name Shari: 1. Shari, in Hebrew, is spelled with the same root used to spell "Shir" which means song. The "ee" sound at the end means God."
It is likely that Chiowa Khan as the poet Aleister Crowley, the Qabalistic adept, brought into contact with such a rich environs that, that, that it is conceivable that golf, poker and bridge got boring....
And through all of the vicarious questing here, I am for certain that I now no longer scratch my head when in the Equinox of the Gods, AC mentions golf in Egypt for now I know where the golf course is...on Gezira Island!
How about it... 18 holes or just 9?
No.....RSVP the Balmoral~Ouarda is pregnant, and she insists that other parties are upset with me and that for the sake of the child I attend to those waiting for me... God I suppose... by her instructions...she must be a bit lightheaded, we plan on taking another evening on the roof of the flat we've rented, the fragrances of the air, as the sky rainbows west and we are greeted by the nubile night of Egyptian azures that kiss our brows with light kisses from each other, but as father to be I seem to have some work to do, as Rose so insists and thus, since I have never had a job, well there would seem to be some unfinished business and she is making me curious at this point. So do let Cole use the putter, it is quite a toy, he does find the rim, but the drive on the 11th hole is an easy slice into the Nile...filled with Typhons...well the old vernacular is this poet's cure or curse, something seems to be stirring as well I am insider her,,, perhaps some cards will easer her mind, but that might be futile...as this searching...
-And this thus now sent to another Hippodrome for the boxing set...and boy do they box, but the referee Paul keeps it clean, but spicy enough for those Horus kids carry on, they do like to fight and nitpick...
Hippodrome....now there is an interesting word...the question is Tuart thou and is that the name of a house?
See, all this Cairo 1904 stuff is fascinating, and yet i can't see how finding various hotels (the Balmoral, the Windsor, the Victoria, Shepeard's, etc), via the grid page/riddle can prove the praeterhuman origin of the manuscript, or anything else.
Whether we are taking the RTC "ol' Fakey" line , or the "Prophet of the Aeon" line, the solution is supposed to
1) make sense and
2) prove something.
I have yet to see a proposed solution that passes test #1 (makes sense), and none that even come close to #2 (proving something (whether proving praeterhuman origin or proving fakery, assuming that someone can show that there is a difference between these two things)).
Of course, as i have mentioned, i am very insensitive to the Higher Things, and so will have to be shown a solution "country simple", as Bill Burroughs used to say.
I am, unlike some, very definitely not the Chosen One, so please explain your claimed solution(s) to me on a cowan-comprehendable, Malkuthian, clear, and simple level, please.
After you explain your claimed Riddle Solution, please (for extra credit) explain how this solution will help future aspirants to stop the interior Chattering Monkey, and "get out".
If your claimed Riddle Solution does not assist in this objective, isn't it just more stage-dressing/props/incidental decoration/Old-Aeon baggage of The Crowley Show, that is useless and mostly a potential distraction/glamor for folks in E.V. 2020 who are trying to do the Work? Although of course of great importance to the historical legacy of AC, which is what will keep me reading these threads.
@ignant666 – I was wondering the same thing myself. Crazy as it may sound, those 9 numbers, 19 letters and a line & cross tell an exquisitely engineered story, but that’s all it is.
@hadgigegenraum and @ptoner –This is a mighty fine tour of Cairo, but to what purpose? Why not have supper at the Geriza Palace Hotel – Its chocolate-dipped Anhk-fingers are to-die-for. Much as I applaud all efforts to resolve the cipher, I really don’t think it will help, much, to randomly pin tails on Cairo and then train some equally random segment of the riddle to dance around this... ‘RSVPTOBALMORAL’ is interesting, but doesn’t use all the letters, and what relevance is this place to Crowley’s Cairo myth, or to his primary intention for constructing the riddle?
It may help to first ask ‘why?’ It will assist greatly to consider what I’ve posted earlier about ‘ones’ and 'ones who come after.’ Oh, what we’d give for a Magickal Heir to rise and show us the path? Shame that someone we all know and trust is currently tied-up in a publish but don’t reveal thing, or is it a co-author but don’t publish thing, or maybe a supplemental assist towards silence then don’t publish thing? Well, whatever, the riddle is far easier to solve than that sack of spaghetti... but is there an interest in solving it? How about this - LAShTAL has 3,592 members. I’ll post a map of Cairo on which is superimposed Crowley’s line and ‘X’ in exactly the correct place, if just 31 of them ask.
