Was the HGA also the actual initiator in the Order in which AC started on his path as an initiate?
I don't see anything unusual about this (1900), and I wonder what the implication might be?
Might it be because it's numerologically significant in some way (like so many others seem ta be)
I wonder if it might be useful for one of our numerous numerologists (see what i did there?) to compile and publish a list of numbers that aren't of terrific significance to Thelema/AL/The Great Work (apparently quite a brief list) ?
As a person who knows not much about numerology, by my reckoning, of the 101 integers from 0-100, 28 have some heavy Thelemic, Biblical, or other oomph, so 27.7% of my sample count as hits. Probably this just reflects my lack of numerology knowledge and there are way more.
[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 22, 23, 31, 33, 40, 44, 55, 64, 66, 69, 72, 77, 88, 99]
The point he is making is that 1900 is before 1904.
The evidence, included in Confessions< Collected, and notes proves the 1900 - 1904 timespan. That is evident. That's why it's called "evidence."
The true point, hidden in the implication(s), to be drawn from the evidence, is what?
He had it all in 1900, and made 1904 up?
He was destined to have it all in 1900, like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, but it took four years to put it together?
The data presented is interesting and informative. A good job of correlation between times (years) and concepts.
What is the implication? To reveal the implication is to reveal the true point of all this data. The true point is like the true will and the true self.
[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 22, 23, 31, 33, 40, 44, 55, 64, 66, 69, 72, 77, 88, 99]
The easiest way to do this is to offer an Attachment. It's short, if you consider 12 pages short, but you'll get the idea with a swift perusal.
integers from 0-100
I'm not a "proper" numerologist (I don't care much for the "adding it all up" approach, usually), just a Thelemical number-nerd. Without boring you too much, my list below 100:
8: "eight, eighty etc."
11: obvious Thelemic number, number of digits in the cipher, prime factor of 418
19: number of letters of cipher (one of the prime factors of 418)
22: obvious one
28: numbers/letters of cipher, half of 56
31: obvious one
56: "six and fifty"
61: what dem Jews calls it
65: number of manuscript pages (and fascinating properties for an exciting future post 😊 )
78: those preposterous cards
80: see 8 above
93: obvious one
The bonus numbers (less significant):
2: prime factor of 418
9: only because of the number of "numbers" in the cipher
18: "four hundred & 18"
20: page number written on cipher page
24: the first "bracketed number" in the cipher
26: "the English Alphabet" and my base-26 nonsense
27: Liber 27 and base-27 nonsense
30: number of digits + letters of cipher
42: total page no. of cipher
66: verses of ch. 1, a mini-666
75: verses of ch. 3
76: verse no. of cipher
79: verses of ch. 2
89: the other number in the cipher
So you're right, about 28. The gaps between "interesting" numbers get bigger after 100, until the numbers get too big to remember. As you can see, my numbers are almost all tied to Liber AL in some way, which reflects my obsessive "hobby" of figuring out this book.
reflects my lack of numerology knowledge
I have no numerology knowledge either, I just made up my own nonsense. 😛
9: only because of the number of "numbers" in the cipher
I forgot also because of "my number is nine by the fools; but with the just I am eight, and one in eight". Any other numbers found in AL that I didn't mention, small or big, go on my list.
ignant666: "I don't see why the three days on the honeymoon part isn't likely to be true, as to the exact times, maybe." (source: This thread, page 2 - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/105399/ )
The traditional Xian Easter celebration of Jesus' resurrection on the third day, and the likening in the Xian Bible of Jesus' followers to a bride with said Jesus as her bridegroom, is a plausible inspiration for AC's story about receiving his The Book of the Law over three days (writing one hour each day) during his honeymoon, especially in consideration of AC's lifelong strong feelings concerning Xianity.
ignant666: "It [AC's The Book of the Law] comes from somewhere else than the rest of his work. i don't think it was dictated to him by a praeterhuman intelligence alone in a room (or how could Rose have added things?), but "automatic writing" seems more plausible than conscious fabrication. If Crowley could have produced more work like AL, he would have." (Source: 'This thread, same page - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/105371/ )
Yes, it can be that Crowley actually directly involved his wife Rose in concocting his The Book of the Law. A rational explanation involving no "praeterhuman intelligence" an no supernatural aspects, for the evidently odd style of grammer in this book, compared with other texts written by AC:
Having worked on developing the teachings and concepts for his own Order since at least 1900 ( – as already described in detail by me earlier in this thread – ) AC's encounter with a particular ancient Egyptian artifac leads to him experiencing a breakthrough of insigh, and to work fast at incorporating said artifact within his already developed teachings and concepts.
Crowley writing his The Book of the Law fast under inpiration based on his from around 1900 already developed teachings and concepts, while simultaneously trying to superimpose those upon names and terms recently translated for him from said particular ancient Egyptian artifact, is one obvious rational explanation for the unique odd style of grammer used in this book. And as far as I know, this is the only book written by AC where he simultaneously tries to put his own spin on so many names and terms recently translated for him from this artifact.
As already mentioned above in this posting, the Xian traditional Easter celebration of Jesus' resurrection on the third day, is a plausible inspiration for AC's story about receiving his The Book of the Law over three days, writing one hour each day. And an approach that he can have used to achieve the appearance of the one hour of writing each day having occured, is to have used a timing device to keep track of the time spent during each session of writing. Maybe with assistance from his then wife Rose, to help him with keeping track of the time.
AC's claimed dates in the month of April, for the three days of the writing of his The Book of the Law, does of course also have some correspondence with the Xian Easter festival and holiday commemorating the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, which also claimed to have occured in the month of April.
(Correction added in bold:)
"AC's claimed dates in the month of April, for the three days of the writing of his The Book of the Law, does of course also have some correspondence with the Xian Easter festival and holiday commemorating the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, which is also claimed to have occured in the month of April."
Happy Evil Friday to you, too, christibrany, and to you all. 😷 😇
I am not in ignant666's fortunate situation of having learned some Hebrew from growing up among Jewish friends, but do consider myself lucky to be well read in the Xian Bible and in Xian history, with respect to reading texts written or scribed 😉 by Aleister Crowley.
"Evil Friday"... when one considers that the 'drama', corresponding with the Plato's Trail of Socrates and the political reality concerning that murder.... much like the healer, who spoke in parables and said everyone has the same powers for healing and greater, and so upset the Jewish oligarchy who colluded with the Roman oligarch to destroy people, much like today...same old story...Murder Most Foul....Abu Graib, Golgotha, Wuhan, Dresden, Hiroshima, 9/11...
So when did hawks become vultures?....if in 'inspired' literature that places a god of Vengeance in league with the Jealous God... controlled by the Din....And the rest is history....or no one knows that the new boss is same as the old boss....
But the fecundity of the 'Easter Bunny' transcends history... by attacking history and the oligarchies, in the hope that comes from the fact that life lives... at least until full destruction of the biological fields are accomplished through Ahrimanic technological domination, including Priests and Priestess's of the Gnostic Mass (TM) and others too hip for words who have become impotent, infertile and out of whatever drug might make one white...
Remember they are preparing a Holy Hand Grenade to take out the Bunny at Caerbonnog at this very moment...
Easter bunny conquers Ahriman? My last sort of serious band's CD cover:
Inspired by Monty Python's Dinsdale, with the giant pink bunny menacing the Williamsburg Bridge and the old gas tanks they blew up years ago in the background. One of our songs was called "Mean, Mean Bunny". The lyrics (in their entirety) "There's something funny/About that mean, mean bunny".
Thanx. The band name is a play on The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, and the local landlord/realtor we held responsible for the gentrification of Williamsburg (Brooklyn) around the turn of the millennium.
We gigged relentlessly for several years, all over Brooklyn and even a few Manhattan shows at CBGBs etc. It was a 12-piece, with horn section, two male lead singers, male and female back-up singers, me on the theremin, lap-steel, etc. Punk rock show-band material about drugs, drinking, and gentrification.
We were afraid Kenn Firpo would be pissed and sue us, or, more likely, since we were all broke, send, um, Italian gentlemen to remonstrate (it was that kind of neighborhood at the time). Instead, he came to two shows, and i still have his business card with "To My Band: Keep up the good work! Thank you!".
What we had failed to realize is that being held responsible for a "rent explosion" is seen as a good thing by landlords.
In the system of Magick, the single most important goal is to consciously connect with one’s HGA, a process termed “Knowledge and Conversation.” By doing so, the magician becomes fully aware of his own True Will. For Aleister Crowley, this event was the single most important goal of any adept: [...]
Nothing is totally original. Writing began in Mesopotamia/Egypt circa 3,400 - 3,200 B.C. (and in China circa 2,000 B.C.) so what are the first written records of some sort of non-physical other who guides one? Socrates's (born not so long ago; 470 B.C.) 'Daemon'? In turn, where did he get that notion from?
Me: "This thread covers many spectacular feats by Aleister Crowley occuring in 1900:
[...] [In 1900 in Mexico] devising a Ritual of Self-Initiation, ["By the symbol of Thy whirling force the Svastika of Flaming Light,
I invoke Thee to initiate my soul! ..." (Source: The Equinox, vol. I, no. III, p.272.)].
[...] in Mexico in August 11. 1900 'receiving' first contact from Aiwass, ("A vast Svastika is shewn unto me behind the Angel with the Book.", within The Cry of the 30th Aethyr, in AC's book The Vision and the Voice, illustrated with a svastika pointing in the same way as the one made infamous in the twentieth century), (by many years preceding AC mentioning said Aiwass in his core book for his Thelema)."
(Source: this thread page 2 - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/105598/ )
"The magus was an expert of symbols, but he also savored a provocative joke, like a Salvador Dalí of occultism: any publicity is good publicity. Thus Norman Page in Auden and Isherwood: The Berlin Years (1998) writes that after Hitler seized power in 1933, “even Aleister Crowley . . . deemed it prudent to depart—despite his claim to have presented the National Socialists with the idea of using the swastika as their symbol, and thereby having presumably earned their undying gratitude."
(Source: Tobias Churton's Aleister Crowley: The Beast in Berlin: Art, Sex, and Magick in the Weimar Republic.)
On the first page of this thread I mention one particular spectacular feat by Aleister Crowley occuring in 1900 in Mexico:
"I had also a certain amount of latitude granted by Mathers to initiate suitable people in partibus. I, therefore, established an entirely new Order of my own, called L.I.L.: the "Lamp of the Invisible Light." (Source: Confessions of Aleister Crowley, Part Two: The Mystical Adventure, chapter 23.)
(First mentioned in this thread in my posting posted "08/03/2020 12:56 pm": https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/was-the-hga-also-the-actual-initiator-in-the-order-in-which-ac-started-on-his-path-as-an-initiate/#post-104732 )
The received text in Liber 418, or The Vision and the Voice, ( a book described by AC in chapter 66 of his Confessions of Aleister Crowley as the second most important book of his Thelema), concludes with this mention of AC's fabricated Order L.I.L.: the "Lamp of the Invisible Light:
"This is the formula of the Aeon, and with that the voice of LIL, that is the Lamp of the Invisible Light, is ended. Amen." (Described by AC as received at "Biskra, Algeria. December 19, 1909. 1:30 - 3:30 p.m.".)
(Source: The Cry of the 1st Aethyr, in Liber 418 - - - https://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr1.htm )
That is, "... the formula of the Aeon" presented at the end of, and within a Class A part of, the second most important book of Aleister Crowley's Thelema, is there described as being communicated in 1909, by "the voice of LIL, that is the Lamp of the Invisible Light", an order described by AC as "... an entirely new Order of my own", established by him in Mexico in 1900.
"I had also a certain amount of latitude granted by Mathers to initiate suitable people in partibus
Partibus means "parts/fragments" or "a Scot cop's marginal notation on a warrant."
Well, that's pretty obscure. The next seach found ... "in the regions of the infidels - used in a bishop's title after the name of a diocese conquered by a power of another faith."
I, therefore, established an entirely new Order of my own, called L.I.L.:
Right! So I interpret all this to mean ...
Mathers granted AC
"a certain amount of latitude"
to initiate people he liked,
in infidelish Mexico,
so he used the partibus to create
a whole new Order."
That is, "... the formula of the Aeon" ... is there described as being communicated in 1909, by "the voice of LIL ...
Yes, these quotes, when tied together as you have done, LIL being the common denominator, support the idea of a continuity of concern stretching over a ~9 year period.
Did you have a question to ask, or a specific point to make?
I was always interested in the Mexico adventures, what with a lot of my magical time spent down there, and I was intrigued by the ...
I was always interested in the Mexico adventures, what with a lot of my magical time spent down there,
Have you by any chance come across the (quite a lot of previously unpublished) material, particularly the additional "Chevalier" newspaper extracts concerning AC & Eckenstein's exploits in Mexico, which has been included in Tobias Churton's massive biographical volume about AC's activities whilst in (continental North) America? If not, you might also find that to be of some interest.
and I was intrigued by the ...
Yes, the Lamp does seem to cast forth a most uncommon and bewitching radiance. I've even heard it said (i.e.,='hearsay') that the Order (L.'.I.'.L.'.) still exists in some form, with a symbolic fire continuously being transmitted and passed on down the ages (rather like with those torch beacon relays at the Olympics, I suppose.)
It's a nice idea but I don't know how much truth there would be in it.
two Mexico-based claimants
two Mexico-based claimants
I certify in red ink that I have visited the Spanish website and find find that LIL is structured along the lines of the OTO I-X degree numbering system, with the titles and/or notations of the grades following the Tree of Life in the planetary column/system, as well as keywords from both OTO and A.'.A.'. liberally sprinkled throughout the roster of grades.
They are thus (apparently) doing a Solar Lodge thing, whereby the OTO degrees and the A.'.A.'. grades are made equivalent. If the real work is required for these degrees, then it might work out for them. But, of course, they are playing with military-grade fire. Do you think I should warn them?
I certify in turquoise ink that I have visited the English website and find find that LIL to be structured along the lines of The Lighted Way, that is, their rituals/meetings appear to be open to the public. However, there is an indication that there is a hierarchy in charge, so there must be "further steps" than just going along for free.
Their Manifesto page, as expressed, is quite sound, and their philosophy is obviously Thelemic. The Lamp, their central symbol, is equated with the 1st AEthyr, LIL, and thus with Kether. They have a NYC congregation. 355 members. Do you think you should warn them?
As already stated by me: "This thread covers many spectacular feats by Aleister Crowley occuring in 1900: "
And within The Cry of the 30th Æthyr, at the beginning of the first part written in 1900 in Mexico, within AC's The Vision and the Voice, the second most important book of his Thelema (written partly before the most important book within this Thelema), it is written:
"Until the Book of the East be opened! Until the hour sound! Until the Voice vibrate! Until it pierce my Depth; Look not on High! For thou wilt find a life which is as Death: or a Death which should be infinite. For Thou art submitted to the Four: Five thou shalt find, but Seven is lone and far."
"The East is the quarter of the rising light, the new dawn. The message of the book in this quarter indicates the new way ahead." (Source: Reply by one Aeon418 in "Liber 418 study group - 30th Aethyr: TEX" - - - http://www.tarotforum.net/archive/index.php/t-228479.html )
This connection between the "Until the Book of the East be opened!", mentioned within the in 1900 written beginning of AC's book The Vision and the Voice, and the seat in the East occupied by Horus at the Equinox of the Gods, mentioned in Chapter I, verse 49, in AC's The Book of the Law written after 1900; - "... Ra-Hoor-Khuit hath taken his seat in the East at the Equinox of the Gods; ..." - indicates that AC already in 1900 in Mexico, had an idea of writing (or receiving) an important book that could be used to liberate him from his sumition "to the Four", and that could be used to find more than "Five". That is, already the beginning written in 1900, of his book The Vision and the Voice, hints at an important future book that shall "be opened!" to him, when "the Voice vibrate!", hints both preceding and resembling how he later describes the most important book of his Thelema as "... given from the mouth of Aiwass to the ear of The Beast."
The Vision and the Voice, the second most important book of his Thelema
In who's opinion? Some people elevate Liber 333 over AL - so where does that leave the V & V in the pecking order?
AC already in 1900 in Mexico, had an idea of writing (or receiving) an important book ...
Yes, this appears to be the case. We (all) know that he was gathering up stuff from many external sources, and that he was blazing along his path. "Blazing" can easily take up a few years to re-assemble the Universe.
The Vision and the Voice, the second most important book of his Thelema"
"In who's opinion? Some people elevate Liber 333 over AL - so where does that leave the V & V in the pecking order?"
As "LAShTAL.COM is home of The Aleister Crowley Society and is devoted to the life, work and legacy of Aleister Crowley.", (source: https://www.lashtal.com/guidelines/), that is in the opinion of the Prophet of Thelema, himself.
RTC: "The riddle is part of Liber L and both are part of a grand deception Crowley probably started the day he joined the Golden Dawn." (Source: "Various II:76 Cipher solutions... " - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/various-ii76-cipher-solutions/paged/5/#post-102980 )
I disagree with RTC, in that AC The Book of the Law was "a grand deception Crowley probably started the day he joined the Golden Dawn" in 1898. My position is that AC already in 1900, after his disapointment with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and MacGregor Mathers' announcement in 1900 that the founding documents of the Order, the cipher manuscript, were forged, hints at a future "Book of the East", of groundbreaking importance, with the east being the quarter of the rising light, pointing towards a new dawn, with a message indicating a new way
And I do agree with the Owner and Editor of this site; "- to the distinct possibility that he saw the stele and wrote Liber L vel Legis in 1902 and 1903." (Source: "Various II:76 Cipher solutions... " --- https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/102942/ )
Also, AC already in 1900, years before he could have seen one Ankh-ef-en-Khonsu's stele for the first time, providing hints about a future important book akin to The Book of the Law he later wrote, means that the book hinted at in 1900, could have been written even if he had never seen the mentioned stele.
And if AC had written his The Book of the Law without ever having seen said stele, or without ever having visited Egyp, i would still have been a threefold book, mentioning three grades, and be similar with respect to the content about Thelema. As Qabalah was of core importance to his Thelema, and he stated that "It has been my continual study since 1898, [...]. "From 1905 to 1918 the Tao Teh King was my continual study." Source: Chapter XXXV: The Tao (2), in Magick Without Tears.
As AC's The Book of the Law itself implies the Qabalistic Tree of Life's supernal triad (= Kether, the Crown, the spark of Godhead; Chokmah, Wisdom, the All-Father; Binah, Understanding, the Great Mother), with reference to "the threefold book of Law" (I:35. "This that thou writest is the threefold book of Law."), and "Three Grades" (I:40. " Who calls us Thelemites will do no wrong, if he look but close into the word. For there are therein Three Grades, the Hermit, and the Lover, and the man of Earth. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.").
And as AC explains his The Book of the Law by defining Ra-Hoor-Khuit as "Kether, Unity, " (source; The New Comment to BOTL II:2. "Come! all ye, and learn the secret that hath not yet been revealed. I, Hadit, am the complement of Nu, my bride. I am not extended, and Khabs is the name of my House."). And in his explanation of it also states that the Qabalistic Tree of Life indicates that Knowledge (with capital K) is the means by which the conscious mind, Microprosopus, reaches to Understanding and to Wisdom, its mother and father, which reflect respectively Nuith and Hadit from the Ain and Kether (source: The New Comment to BOTL II:5 "Behold! the rituals of the old time are black. Let the evil ones be cast away; let the good ones be purged by the prophet! Then shall this Knowledge go aright.").
My position is that AC already in 1900, after his disapointment with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and MacGregor Mathers' announcement in 1900 that the founding documents of the Order, the cipher manuscript, were forged, hints at a future "Book of the East", of groundbreaking importance, with the east being the quarter of the rising light, pointing towards a new dawn, with a message indicating a new way
Yes, this is a point you have made, and then reinforced with suitable documentation. It is a valid point, and (as I said) "These things can take a few years" (especially when we count The Labor of Preparation.