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Jamie J Barter
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27/03/2020 2:19 am  
Posted by: @shiva

I don't see anything unusual about this (1900), and I wonder what the implication might be?

Might it be because it's numerologically significant in some way (like so many others seem ta be)

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27/03/2020 2:29 am  

I wonder if it might be useful for one of our numerous numerologists (see what i did there?) to compile and publish a list of numbers that aren't of terrific significance to Thelema/AL/The Great Work (apparently quite a brief list) ?

As a person who knows not much about numerology, by my reckoning, of the 101 integers from 0-100, 28 have some heavy Thelemic, Biblical, or other oomph, so  27.7% of my sample count as hits. Probably this just reflects my lack of numerology knowledge and there are way more.

[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 22, 23, 31, 33, 40, 44, 55, 64, 66, 69, 72, 77, 88, 99]


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27/03/2020 5:12 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

The point he is making is that 1900 is before 1904.

The evidence, included in Confessions< Collected, and notes proves the 1900 - 1904 timespan. That is evident. That's why it's called "evidence."

The true point, hidden in the implication(s), to be drawn from the evidence, is what?

He had it all in 1900, and made 1904 up?

He was destined to have it all in 1900, like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, but it took four years to put it together?

The data presented is interesting and informative. A good job of correlation between times (years) and concepts.

What is the implication? To reveal the implication is to reveal the true point of all this data. The true point is like the true will and the true self.

 


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27/03/2020 5:23 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 22, 23, 31, 33, 40, 44, 55, 64, 66, 69, 72, 77, 88, 99]

The easiest way to do this is to offer an Attachment. It's short, if you consider 12 pages short, but you'll get the idea with a swift perusal.

 


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27/03/2020 6:11 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

integers from 0-100

I'm not a "proper" numerologist (I don't care much for the "adding it all up" approach, usually), just a Thelemical number-nerd. Without boring you too much, my list below 100:

8: "eight, eighty etc."

11: obvious Thelemic number, number of digits in the cipher, prime factor of 418

19: number of letters of cipher (one of the prime factors of 418)

22: obvious one

28: numbers/letters of cipher, half of 56

31: obvious one

56: "six and fifty"

61: what dem Jews calls it

65: number of manuscript pages (and fascinating properties for an exciting future post 😊 )

78: those preposterous cards

80: see 8 above

93: obvious one

 

The bonus numbers (less significant):

2: prime factor of 418

9: only because of the number of "numbers" in the cipher

18: "four hundred & 18"

20: page number written on cipher page

24: the first "bracketed number" in the cipher

26: "the English Alphabet" and my base-26 nonsense

27: Liber 27 and base-27 nonsense

30: number of digits + letters of cipher

42: total page no. of cipher

66: verses of ch. 1, a mini-666

72: Shemhamphorasch

75: verses of ch. 3

76: verse no. of cipher

79: verses of ch. 2

89: the other number in the cipher

 

So you're right, about 28. The gaps between "interesting" numbers get bigger after 100, until the numbers get too big to remember. As you can see, my numbers are almost all tied to Liber AL in some way, which reflects my obsessive "hobby" of figuring out this book.

 

Posted by: @ignant666

reflects my lack of numerology knowledge

I have no numerology knowledge either, I just made up my own nonsense. 😛 


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27/03/2020 4:07 pm  
Posted by: @duck

9: only because of the number of "numbers" in the cipher

I forgot also because of "my number is nine by the fools; but with the just I am eight, and one in eight". Any other numbers found in AL that I didn't mention, small or big, go on my list.


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10/04/2020 4:22 pm  

ignant666: "I don't see why the three days on the honeymoon part isn't likely to be true, as to the exact times, maybe." (source: This thread, page 2 - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/105399/ )

 

The traditional Xian Easter celebration of Jesus' resurrection on the third day, and the likening in the Xian Bible of Jesus' followers to a bride with said Jesus as her bridegroom, is a plausible inspiration for AC's story about receiving his The Book of the Law over three days (writing one hour each day) during his honeymoon, especially in consideration of AC's lifelong strong feelings concerning Xianity.

 

ignant666: "It [AC's The Book of the Law] comes from somewhere else than the rest of his work. i don't think it was dictated to him by a praeterhuman intelligence alone in a room (or how could Rose have added things?), but "automatic writing" seems more plausible than conscious fabrication. If Crowley could have produced more work like AL, he would have." (Source: 'This thread, same page - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/105371/ )

Yes, it can be that Crowley actually directly involved his wife Rose in concocting his The Book of the Law. A rational explanation involving no "praeterhuman intelligence" an no supernatural aspects, for the evidently odd style of grammer in this book, compared with other texts written by AC:

Having worked on developing the teachings and concepts for his own Order since at least 1900 ( – as already described in detail by me earlier in this thread – ) AC's encounter with a particular ancient Egyptian artifac leads to him experiencing a breakthrough of insigh, and to work fast at incorporating said artifact within his already developed teachings and concepts.

 

Crowley writing his The Book of the Law fast under inpiration based on his from around 1900 already developed teachings and concepts, while simultaneously trying to superimpose those upon names and terms recently translated for him from said particular ancient Egyptian artifact, is one obvious rational explanation for the unique odd style of grammer used in this book. And as far as I know, this is the only book written by AC where he simultaneously tries to put his own spin on so many names and terms recently translated for him from this artifact. 

 

As already mentioned above in this posting, the Xian traditional Easter celebration of Jesus' resurrection on the third day, is a plausible inspiration for AC's story about receiving his The Book of the Law over three days, writing one hour each day​. And an approach that he can have used to achieve the appearance of the one hour of writing each day having occured, is to have used a timing device to keep track of the time spent during each session of writing. Maybe with assistance from his then wife Rose, to help him with keeping track of the time. 

 

AC's claimed dates in the month of April, for the three days of the writing of his The Book of the Law, does of course also have some correspondence with the Xian Easter festival and holiday commemorating the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, which also claimed to have occured in the month of April.


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10/04/2020 4:45 pm  

@wellreadwellbred

 

I actually hadn't thought of that.

 

Happy Evil Friday. 


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10/04/2020 5:23 pm  

(Correction added in bold:)

"AC's claimed dates in the month of April, for the three days of the writing of his The Book of the Law, does of course also have some correspondence with the Xian Easter festival and holiday commemorating the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, which is also claimed to have occured in the month of April."

Happy Evil Friday to you, too, christibrany, and to you all. 😷 😇 

I am not in ignant666's fortunate situation of having learned some Hebrew from growing up among Jewish friends, but do consider myself lucky to be well read in the Xian Bible and in Xian history, with respect to reading texts written or scribed 😉 by Aleister Crowley.


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10/04/2020 6:35 pm  

"Evil Friday"... when one considers that the 'drama', corresponding with the Plato's Trail of Socrates and the political reality concerning that murder.... much like the healer, who spoke in parables and said everyone has the same powers for healing and greater,  and so upset the Jewish oligarchy who colluded with the Roman oligarch to destroy people, much like today...same old story...Murder Most Foul....Abu Graib, Golgotha, Wuhan, Dresden, Hiroshima, 9/11...

So when did hawks become vultures?....if in 'inspired' literature that places a god of Vengeance in league with the Jealous God... controlled by the Din....And the rest is history....or no one knows that the new boss is same as the old boss....

But the fecundity of the 'Easter Bunny' transcends history... by attacking history and the oligarchies, in the hope that comes from the fact that life lives... at least until full destruction of the biological fields are accomplished through Ahrimanic technological domination, including Priests and Priestess's of the Gnostic Mass (TM) and others too hip for words who have become impotent, infertile and out of whatever drug might make one white...

Remember they are preparing a Holy Hand Grenade to take out the Bunny at Caerbonnog at this very moment...

 


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10/04/2020 6:47 pm  

Easter bunny conquers Ahriman? My last sort of serious band's CD cover:

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Inspired by Monty Python's Dinsdale, with the giant pink bunny menacing the Williamsburg Bridge and the old gas tanks they blew up years ago in the background. One of our songs was called "Mean, Mean Bunny". The lyrics (in their entirety) "There's something funny/About that mean, mean bunny".


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10/04/2020 9:01 pm  

@ignant666

Nice Cover.....Doing the Bunny Stomp!!!


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10/04/2020 9:13 pm  

Thanx. The band name is a play on The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, and the local landlord/realtor we held responsible for the gentrification of Williamsburg (Brooklyn) around the turn of the millennium.

We gigged relentlessly for several years, all over Brooklyn and even a few Manhattan shows at CBGBs etc. It was a 12-piece, with horn section, two male lead singers, male and female back-up singers, me on the theremin, lap-steel, etc. Punk rock show-band material about drugs, drinking, and gentrification.

We were afraid Kenn Firpo would be pissed and sue us, or, more likely, since we were all broke, send, um, Italian gentlemen to remonstrate (it was that kind of neighborhood at the time). Instead, he came to two shows, and i still have his business card with "To My Band: Keep up the good work! Thank you!".

What we had failed to realize is that being held responsible for a "rent explosion" is seen as a good thing by landlords.


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19/04/2020 2:01 pm  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

 

In the system of Magick, the single most important goal is to consciously connect with one’s HGA, a process termed “Knowledge and Conversation.” By doing so, the magician becomes fully aware of his own True Will. For Aleister Crowley, this event was the single most important goal of any adept: [...]

Necro-thread alert.

 

Nothing is totally original.  Writing began in Mesopotamia/Egypt  circa 3,400 - 3,200 B.C. (and in China circa 2,000 B.C.) so what are the first written records of some sort of non-physical other who guides one?   Socrates's  (born not so long ago; 470 B.C.) 'Daemon'?  In turn, where did he get that notion from?  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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30/04/2020 5:24 am  

Me: "This thread covers many spectacular feats by Aleister Crowley occuring in 1900:  

[...] [In 1900 in Mexico] devising a Ritual of Self-Initiation, ["By the symbol of Thy whirling force the Svastika of Flaming Light,
I invoke Thee to initiate my soul! ..." (Source: The Equinox, vol. I, no. III, p.272.)].

[...] in Mexico in August 11. 1900 'receiving' first contact from Aiwass, ("A vast Svastika is shewn unto me behind the Angel with the Book.", within The Cry of the 30th Aethyr, in AC's book The Vision and the Voice, illustrated with a svastika pointing in the same way as the one made infamous in the twentieth century), (by many years preceding AC mentioning said Aiwass in his core book for his Thelema)."

(Source: this thread page 2 - - - https://www.lashtal.com/forums/postid/105598/ )

"The magus was an expert of symbols, but he also savored a provocative joke, like a Salvador Dalí of occultism: any publicity is good publicity. Thus Norman Page in Auden and Isherwood: The Berlin Years (1998) writes that after Hitler seized power in 1933, “even Aleister Crowley . . . deemed it prudent to depart—despite his claim to have presented the National Socialists with the idea of using the swastika as their symbol, and thereby having presumably earned their undying gratitude."

(Source: Tobias Churton's Aleister Crowley: The Beast in Berlin: Art, Sex, and Magick in the Weimar Republic.)


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07/08/2020 6:35 pm  

On the first page of this thread I mention one particular spectacular feat by Aleister Crowley occuring in 1900 in Mexico: 

"I had also a certain amount of latitude granted by Mathers to initiate suitable people in partibus. I, therefore, established an entirely new Order of my own, called L.I.L.: the "Lamp of the Invisible Light." (Source: Confessions of Aleister Crowley, Part Two: The Mystical Adventure, chapter 23.)

(First mentioned in this thread in my posting posted "08/03/2020 12:56 pm":  https://www.lashtal.com/forums/thelema/was-the-hga-also-the-actual-initiator-in-the-order-in-which-ac-started-on-his-path-as-an-initiate/#post-104732  )

The received text in Liber 418, or The Vision and the Voice, ( a book described by AC in chapter 66 of his Confessions of Aleister Crowley as the second most important book of his Thelema), concludes with this mention of  AC's fabricated Order L.I.L.: the "Lamp of the Invisible Light:

"This is the formula of the Aeon, and with that the voice of LIL, that is the Lamp of the Invisible Light, is ended. Amen." (Described by AC as received at "Biskra, Algeria. December 19, 1909. 1:30 - 3:30 p.m.".)

(Source: The Cry of the 1st Aethyr, in Liber 418 - - - https://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr1.htm  )

That is, "... the formula of the Aeon" presented at the end of, and within a Class A part of, the second most important book of Aleister Crowley's Thelema, is there described as being communicated in 1909, by "the voice of LIL, that is the Lamp of the Invisible Light", an order described by AC as "... an entirely new Order of my own", established by him in Mexico in 1900.


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07/08/2020 7:37 pm  
Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

"I had also a certain amount of latitude granted by Mathers to initiate suitable people in partibus

Partibus means "parts/fragments" or "a Scot cop's marginal notation on a warrant."

Well, that's pretty obscure. The next seach found ... "in the regions of the infidels - used in a bishop's title after the name of a diocese conquered by a power of another faith."

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

I, therefore, established an entirely new Order of my own, called L.I.L.:

Right! So I interpret all this to mean ...

Mathers granted AC
"a certain amount of latitude"
to initiate people he liked,
in infidelish Mexico,

so he used the partibus to create
a whole new Order."

Posted by: @wellreadwellbred

That is, "... the formula of the Aeon" ... is there described as being communicated in 1909, by "the voice of LIL ...

Yes, these quotes, when tied together as you have done, LIL being the common denominator, support the idea of a continuity of concern stretching over a ~9 year period.

Did you have a question to ask, or a specific point to make?

I was always interested in the Mexico adventures, what with a lot of my magical time spent down there, and I was intrigued by the ...

Invisible Light

 


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08/08/2020 5:50 pm  
Posted by: @shiva

I was always interested in the Mexico adventures, what with a lot of my magical time spent down there,

Have you by any chance come across the (quite a lot of previously unpublished) material, particularly the additional "Chevalier" newspaper extracts concerning AC & Eckenstein's exploits in Mexico, which has been included in Tobias Churton's massive biographical volume about AC's activities whilst in (continental North) America? If not, you might also find that to be of some interest.

Posted by: @shiva

and I was intrigued by the ...

                                              Invisible Light

Yes, the Lamp does seem to cast forth a most uncommon and bewitching radiance.  I've even heard it said (i.e.,='hearsay') that the Order (L.'.I.'.L.'.) still exists in some form, with a symbolic fire continuously being transmitted and passed on down the ages (rather like with those torch beacon relays at the Olympics, I suppose.)

It's a nice idea but I don't know how much truth there would be in it.

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08/08/2020 6:11 pm  

A quick google of "la orden de lampara de la luz invisible" turns up two Mexico-based claimants to being AC's Order  L.'. I.'. L.'.:

https://congregationlil.org/

http://www.angelfire.com/va/LIL/lampara.html [in Spanish]


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09/08/2020 1:54 am  
Posted by: @ignant666

two Mexico-based claimants

Posted by: @ignant666

two Mexico-based claimants

I certify in red ink that I have visited the Spanish website and find find that LIL is structured along the lines of the OTO I-X degree numbering system, with the titles and/or notations of the grades following the Tree of Life in the planetary column/system, as well as keywords from both OTO and A.'.A.'. liberally sprinkled throughout the roster of grades.

They are thus (apparently) doing a Solar Lodge thing, whereby the OTO degrees and the A.'.A.'. grades are made equivalent. If the real work is required for these degrees, then it might work out for them. But, of course, they are playing with military-grade fire. Do you think I should warn them?

I certify in turquoise ink that I have visited the English website and find find that LIL to be structured along the lines of The Lighted Way, that is, their rituals/meetings appear to be open to the public. However, there is an indication that there is a hierarchy in charge, so there must be "further steps" than just going along for free.

Their Manifesto page, as expressed, is quite sound, and their philosophy is obviously Thelemic. The Lamp, their central symbol, is equated with the 1st AEthyr, LIL, and thus with Kether. They have a NYC congregation. 355 members. Do you think you should warn them?

https://www.meetup.com/lampofinvisiblelight/

 


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