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01/03/2020 9:39 pm  

Do you think that Crowley's assessment of the nature of the New Aeon (below) is accurate on all points?  From the foreword of AL;   

 

The New Aeon
He rules the present period of 2,000 years, beginning in 1904. Everywhere his government is taking root. Observe for yourselves the decay of the sense of sin,

I understand that the demise of the authority of the Church started to take root with The Age of Reason.

the growth of innocence and irresponsibility,

Feudal man was more responsible and less innocent?  What about the crazy witch burning hysteria for example?  How about medieval peasant superstitions which we now laugh at?

the strange modifications of the reproductive instinct with a tendency to become bisexual or epicene,

Yes. 

the childlike confidence in progress combined with nightmare fear of catastrophe, against which we are yet half unwilling to take precautions.

This is the main point.  Comparative technological innovation has accelerated since the steam engine appeared.

Consider the outcrop of dictatorships, only possible when moral growth is in its earliest stages,

Dictatorships existed before the 20th century they were known as divine autocracies most notoriously the Russian Tsars for example.   Were feudal autocracies a form of moral retardment?  If not then how and why?

and the prevalence of infantile cults like Communism, Fascism,

I guess these are a childish impulsive grasping stemming from the crazy search to make a replacement for the vacuum which divine kings and priests once filled.   Was feudalism less infantile? 

 

Pacifism, Health Crazes, Occultism in nearly all its forms, religions sentimentalised to the point of practical extinction.

AC of all people lumping Occultism in with 'crazes'.

Consider the popularity of the cinema, the wireless, the football pools and guessing competitions, all devices for soothing fractious infants,no seed of purpose in them.

But is the cinema not the 20th century's version of the ancient Greek amphitheatre?

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Consider sport, the babyish enthusiasms and rages which it excites, whole nations disturbed by disputes between boys.

Take soccer for example.   Originally this was a crazy peasant game but whole villages got crazy excited about it.   The coverage of soccer and the hysteria was highlighted in the 20th century (and beyond) though that's for sure. 

Consider war, the atrocities which occur daily and leave us unmoved and hardly worried.

Like feudal man never went to senseless wars?  See Cromwell's massacres in Ireland for example.

We are children.
How this new Aeon of Horus will develop, how the Child will grow up, these are for us to determine, growing up ourselves in the way of the Law of Thelema under the enlightened guidance of the Master Therion.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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01/03/2020 10:07 pm  
Posted by: @dom

Do you think that Crowley's assessment of the nature of the New Aeon (below) is accurate on all points?  From the foreword of AL;   

 

The New Aeon
He rules the present period of 2,000 years, beginning in 1904.

No.

Ankh lived circa 500 BC and was in on the inauguration of the Aeon of Osiris. So 2000 years does not compute. Even AC admitted (somewhere) that he did some rounding off ... so as to be palatable by the masses.

I am not up to a full, line-by-line examination right now. I've read it, maybe a hundred times, and typeset it, once. In general, it's accurate enough. I suppose someone can find other inconsistencies, and then we can inaugurate the next Pile-on.

For foreign readers, a pile-on (in American football where 90% of players have demonstrated brain injuries) is where some poor guy gets tackled, then all the members of the opposing team jump on him, creating a big pile of players. The tackled guy on the bottom gets the most brain injuries. In AEgyptian lore, a pylon is a gateway to the next era/epoch. aeon. An aeon contains a whole big buch of pylons. How many? I don't know. Maybe some other expert knows?


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01/03/2020 10:12 pm  

I am not up to a full, line-by-line examination right now. I've read it, maybe a hundred times, and typeset it, once. In general, it's accurate enough. I suppose someone can find other inconsistencies, and then we can inaugurate the next Pile-on.

@shiva

Feudalism.  Child like?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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01/03/2020 11:15 pm  
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AC of all people lumping Occultism in with 'crazes'.

I have been under the impression that AC conceived of the word occultist derogatorily, in a manner similar to the more modern term new-ager. I don't remember the text, it might have been in Liber ABA, wherein he discusses regular assumption of the Harpocrates godform and derides several poseur types who had been parasitized because they didn't do so -- and this stands out to me as the clearest example of AC's disdain for people he described as occultists.


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01/03/2020 11:27 pm  

@djedi In general that is how I feel about the word Theososphist nowadays. I can't say I have much experience with occultists, I dismiss out of hand old aeon golden dawn types and OTO associates I have come across are pathetic. Even though he was a bit batty I would of loved to see Vincent Bridges explain how he understands the world according to John Dee and Crowley.

 

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01/03/2020 11:45 pm  

We live in a society of phonies. - Holden Caulfield

He's correct in the way he's using it to illustrate a point.

I think he could perceive, like many, global trends and that the way people perceive and interact with the world was going to change significantly. That there was going to be a maturing of some core human elements that will affect conceptualization and in the process all human endeavors making the things he's talking about look childish.

C'mon 21st Century Enlightenment. Betelguese. Betelguese. Betelguese.


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02/03/2020 12:25 am  
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We live in a society of phonies

7. I will give you a war-engine.
8. With it ye shall smite the peoples

My take on it: note how its "peoples" and not "people", for me this means the "phonies" in need of smiting are both the false egos outside oneself and ones own.


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02/03/2020 1:48 am  

In the west people eat Tide pods, people think they can make up their own genders, people think they can get things for free and deserve to, children control parents, the minimum wage has been dragged up for even the simplest and least specialized jobs, politics have become a screaming match, meaningless material products define us as people, every picture was the 500th try to get it right, celebrities are our go tos for knowledge and wisdom, wars have lost all value (compare an oil war to defeating Naziism), I could go on. While the racism, genocide, and segregation etc of the last aeon still dominate parts of the planet, others have certainly moved on to a hopeless, unrestrained, childish mindset - babbling incoherently and sitting in soiled diapers waiting for someone to change them. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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02/03/2020 1:51 am  

@set-tetu-ra I advocate for Nasimism too.

 

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02/03/2020 1:53 am  
Posted by: @runelogix

@set-tetu-ra I advocate for Nasimism too.

 

No no, Naziism is one of the lowest forms of human thought, mortal equivalent to shit eating worms. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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02/03/2020 2:04 am  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

Naziism

Have you ever read Freud's Moses and Monotheism, or Jan Assmann's Moses the Egyptian? If you haven't, then you oughta -- you might realize a few things about yourself.


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02/03/2020 2:09 am  
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My take on it: note how its "peoples" and not "people", for me this means the "phonies" in need of smiting are both the false egos outside oneself and ones own.

42. thou shalt know & destroy the traitors

As it pertains to an individual's relationship to Thelema and Aiwass.


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02/03/2020 2:15 am  
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Naziism

Have you ever read Freud's Moses and Monotheism, or Jan Assmann's Moses the Egyptian? If you haven't, then you oughta -- you might realize a few things about yourself.

Can you elaborate on that?

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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02/03/2020 3:20 am  
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@set-tetu-ra I advocate for Nasimism too.

 

No no, Naziism is one of the lowest forms of human thought, mortal equivalent to shit eating worms. 

You mean the honeypot advocated by literally no-one that doesn't work for the state? Then yeah I must agree, staying scared of literally nothing is in the states best interest.

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02/03/2020 3:29 am  
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Posted by: @set-tetu-ra
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@set-tetu-ra I advocate for Nasimism too.

 

No no, Naziism is one of the lowest forms of human thought, mortal equivalent to shit eating worms. 

You mean the honeypot advocated by literally no-one that doesn't work for the state? Then yeah I must agree, staying scared of literally nothing is in the states best interest.

 Surely you're not saying the entire Nazi party was made up...

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02/03/2020 3:39 am  

@set-tetu-ra where exactly is this party today? in fact where is it in the last decade? the last 50 years, etc? 

 

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02/03/2020 3:47 am  
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@set-tetu-ra where exactly is this party today? in fact where is it in the last decade? the last 50 years, etc? 

 

I was speaking of WWII... the war we fought against the Third Reich.

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02/03/2020 4:05 am  

@set-tetu-ra okay? are you maybe obsessed by something relevant 80 years ago?

 

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02/03/2020 4:06 am  

@runelogix

What are you even talking about? I literally just mentioned it as an offhand example of a just war, and somehow it was your only take away. 

 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

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02/03/2020 4:51 am  
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@set-tetu-ra I advocate for Nasimism too.

 

No no, Naziism is one of the lowest forms of human thought, mortal equivalent to shit eating worms. 

If you think this is relevant in current year you might as well be chastising Jacobism and the Thirty Years War. If you want to be more irrelevant I guess you could be decrying the Ottoman wars.

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02/03/2020 4:55 am  
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@set-tetu-ra I advocate for Nasimism too.

 

No no, Naziism is one of the lowest forms of human thought, mortal equivalent to shit eating worms. 

If you think this is relevant in current year you might as well be chastising Jacobism and the Thirty Years War. If you want to be more irrelevant I guess you could be decrying the Ottoman wars.

Drunk or something tonight? It's NOT RELEVANT TO THE CURRENT YEAR. That was the whole point. Get some sleep.

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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02/03/2020 5:45 am  

@set-tetu-ra still awaiting your evidence for the existential threat of your virtue signalling. Until then I will sleep sound as a rock.

 

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02/03/2020 1:41 pm  
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@set-tetu-ra still awaiting your evidence for the existential threat of your virtue signalling. Until then I will sleep sound as a rock.

 

Lol I never said there was. I even called naziism defeated. What a quick pit of respect loss we dove into, sorry to trigger you and completely derail the thread by mentioning we had a war against naziism, I didn't think basic history was an offensive idea.

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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02/03/2020 1:47 pm  

@runelogix

You may need this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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02/03/2020 2:22 pm  

@set-tetu-ra is there something about this that is important to you?

 

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02/03/2020 2:40 pm  
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@set-tetu-ra is there something about this that is important to you?

 

I mean yeah defeating the Nazis was a good thing, don't know why that triggers you to flip out about modern day Nazi accusations, they're entirely unrelated. WWII was an example of a just war, compared to our now childish wars over things like oil. "Gimme" instead of the past "defeat legitimate evil". 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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02/03/2020 2:49 pm  

@set-tetu-ra I guess that is one way of looking at it.

 

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02/03/2020 2:55 pm  
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In the west people eat Tide pods, people think they can make up their own genders, people think they can get things for free and deserve to, children control parents, the minimum wage has been dragged up for even the simplest and least specialized jobs, politics have become a screaming match, meaningless material products define us as people, every picture was the 500th try to get it right, celebrities are our go tos for knowledge and wisdom, wars have lost all value (compare an oil war to defeating Naziism), I could go on. While the racism, genocide, and segregation etc of the last aeon still dominate parts of the planet, others have certainly moved on to a hopeless, unrestrained, childish mindset - babbling incoherently and sitting in soiled diapers waiting for someone to change them. 

So to get back on track from pre-trigger.. 

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me… There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

Set = I, Was = Aiwass


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02/03/2020 3:04 pm  

@set-tetu-ra ah. "babbling incoherently" I think I get what you are getting at now.

 

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02/03/2020 7:17 pm  
Posted by: @set-tetu-ra

WWII was an example of a just war

White vs Black. Freedom vs Slavery or Death. Clear-cut ideologies. The Nazi Core was a full manifestation of on the physical plane, complete with metaphysical ideologies and rituals.

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@set-tetu-ra I guess that is one way of looking at it.

Set's viewpoint is claircut. Yes there are other viewpoints, but they may disturb the aethyrs. If you have one that is sound, please tell us.

 

 

 


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