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AL II.58: "Yea! deem not of change: ye shall be as ye are, & not other. Therefore the kings of the earth shall be Kings for ever: the slaves shall serve. There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was. Yet there are masked ones my servants: it may be that yonder beggar is a King. A King may choose his garment as he will: there is no certain test: but a beggar cannot hide his poverty."

 

58. Yet it does not follow that He (and His) must appear joyous. They may assume the disguise of sorrow.

Sections from The New Comment on the above passage are shown below in which I have separated and numbered various paragraphs.  AC's interpretation involves facing the issue of the economic role of education.    He says;

 

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 1.  Compulsory education has aided nobody. It has imposed an unwarrantable constraint on the people it was intended to benefit; it has been asinine presumption on the part of the intellectuals to consider a smattering of mental acquirements of universal benefit. It is a form of sectarian bigotry.

 

There's a meme-joke I see on Facebook now and again which goes something like,  "Well another day goes by in which knowing about algebra didn't help me out with anything".   If a child is fascinated by some technical job and it looks like that's where he's heading but he hasn't got the first idea about grasping e.g. Maths and finds it totally nauseous, AC seems to excuse such a person from attending classes or even school itself?   One of my school friends knew he was joining the army after school no matter what and I think he feigned illness for vast periods of time leading up to the exams in which he had to sit, otherwise he (or his parents)  would've received a fine.   AC appears to be championing such determination and truancy in his commentary. 

 

Sugsy said in one his songs on this subject, bored pupils will treat school as a mere social club and but it's not such a constraint; 

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Oh what fun we had
But, did it really turn out bad
All I learnt at school
Was how to bend not break the rules
Oh what fun we had
But at the time it seemed so bad
Trying different ways
To make a difference to...

~  Madness 'Baggy Trousers'; 

 

Hardly anyone took language classes seriously in my set and pupils who were ordinarily conformist swats were, in language classes,  trying to be 'smart-Alecs' (tearaways) in such lessons.   Perhaps dementia awaits them.   

2.

We should recognize the fact that the vast majority of human beings have no ambition in life beyond mere ease and animal happiness. We should allow these people to fulfil their destinies without interference. We should give every opportunity to the ambitious, and thereby establish a class of morally and intellectually superior men and women.

 

What is AC on about, does he think that the modern education system should be dismantled so those who have no philosophical inclinations should be excused? Imagine that, would this work?  One teacher I knew in a technical college described his role as that of a "zoo-keeper" i.e he had to face very uncivil and unruly students daily, I think the pupils were learning basic I.T. skills by order of the welfare state.  They obviously couldn't see the point of those lessons. 

3.

We should have no compunction in utilizing the natural qualities of the bulk of mankind. We do not insist on trying to train sheep to hunt foxes or lecture on history; we look after their physical well being, and enjoy their wool and mutton. In this way we shall have a contented class of slaves who will accept the conditions of existence as they really are, and enjoy life with the quiet wisdom of cattle.

 

Is this Crowley in his delusional overlord state?  He scrounged regularly at various points in his existence yet still looked down upon anyone who wasn't privately educated.   Slavery usually involves subjugation (well, that's exactly what it is), I take it this (AC's use of the term 'slave) is a misnomer as I think we as a species have gone through our slave experiment and the general consensus has been defined by the events of 1776, 1789 (Paris) , 1861-1865 (Lincoln etc)  and 1939- 1945 i.e. Hitler's empire reintroduced slavery, literally.    

 

4.

It is our duty to see to it that this class of people lack for nothing. The patriarchal system is better for all classes than any other; the objections to it come from the abuses of it.

 

'Patriarchal system' undefined here.  What, feudalism?  Dictatorship? He seems to mean benevolent authoritarianism, if that's possible.  See below; 

5.

But bad masters have been artificially created by exactly the same blunder as was responsible for the bad servants. It is essential to teach the masters that each one must discover his own will, and do it.

I take it that means that all academic types must train to practice the obeah and the wanga?  That issue is for another reductionist-materialist thread I guess i.e. 'finding one's Will'.

6.

There is no reason in nature for cut-throat competition. All this has been explained previously in other connections; here it is only necessary to emphasize the point.

 

I don't get it, is that some diatribe against Capitalism, in fact is the entire essay some sort of yearning for some neo-Feudalism (how that happens is beyond me) where a class of Thelemite 'elite' just attend forums daily and discuss how they are to put down the latest peasant/ artisan uprising?

 

7.

It must be cleanly understood that every man must find his own happiness in a purely personal way. Our troubles have been caused by the assumption that everybody wanted the same things, and thereby the supply of those things has become artificially limited; even those benefits of which there is an inexhaustible store have been cornered. For example, fresh air and beautiful scenery. In a world where everyone did his own will none would lack these things

I want a GTO eh... so here AC is saying that we have troubles because we assume everyone wants the same things.  So what?  I know people who just don't want a car but whatever how are we causing them trouble by bombarding them with car-adverts?  In fact I think Ignant has said he isn't interested in driving if I'm not mistaken.  

Personally I cannot be bothered getting one of those big flat TV's you have to screw to the wall.  If these TVs have been 'artificially limited' in their 'supply' so what?  I take it that AC is criticising the 'consumer society'?  I haven't got a problem with it, if an annoying advert comes on I bear with the disgust, it's a good mental exercise. 

However those who do not want to be online or use a bank card are under pressure to change. 

8.

. In our present society, they (, fresh air and beautiful scenery) have become the luxuries of wealth and leisure, yet they are still accessible to any one who possesses sufficient sense to emancipate himself from the alleged advantages of city life. We have deliberately trained people to wish for things that they do not really want.

Confused here.  Is this about unhappy city-dwellers  not letting themselves become countryside denizens? 

 

Furthermore, apparently, according to AC, 'fresh air and beautiful scenery' is now a limited commodity.  What he fails to recognize is that some people hate 'the countryside', I could quote a song by Lou Reed called 'Train 'round the bend' it sums this up nicely.     

 

9.

It would be easy to elaborate this theme at great length, but I prefer to leave it to be worked out by each reader in the light of his own intelligence, but I wish to call the very particular attention of capitalists and labour leaders to the principles here set forth. 

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Is this Crowley in his delusional overlord state? 

Yes. Applies to all you have quoted.


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Is this Crowley in his delusional overlord state? 

Yes. Applies to all you have quoted.

I see, you agree with getting every kid to school every weekday where he must learn about Pythagoras, grammar and some form of history so on?   

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I find it interesting that the spiritual path, as set forth in One Stat in Sight, is about the spiritual path that leads to Liberation, while all this stuff about education, sexual predilection, profess houses, and other philosophies on matters in the external world, as set forth mainly in The OTO Constitution, Duties of Members, and The Confessions, is "interesting," but nothing more.

Who cares what Crowley thought about child education and insisted that children shouls be brought up watching its parents in coitu? Crowley was an omnisexual philosopher who was not in a position to design educational systems or revise parental sex norms.

What ever happened to keeping one's nose to the grinder, on the Path of Liberation for one's self and others, while accepting whatever the Establishment lays down? This is known as accepting reality. Then, if Crowley, or I, or Dom find ourselves in a position where we are actually in charge of changing something, we can get to work and probably get paid for it.

If AC's total opus was to be read and defined, it would find rare wisdom mixed with questionable assertations, and that would remind us that we have to "cut our own way through the jungle," and aplly our own yama-niyams to whatever arena opens up for us.

Of course children have to go to school, but I am in favor of letting them bail out after the 6th grade ... if they show a tendency to dig holes, tote bales, raise crops & animals, or other stuff that needs no intellectual polish. After all, by grade 6 they've learned to read, write, do math, and runa computer. What else do you want?

Those who exhibit a thirst for higher education should, of course, be allowed a PhD-pursuit.

 


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Yeah there appears to be a fair amount of bullshit in Crowley's Commentary essays.

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Yeah there appears to be a fair amount of bullshit in Crowley's Commentary essays.

Personally, I recommend the Class D practices, and some of the Class A stuff. Class B material can be straight or slanted. Class C needs laboratory testing in almost all areas. Who can tell the difference between Frater Perdurabo and the Demon Crowley?

He was kind enough to warn us that either persona could be at work in his writings, so we can't say that we weren't warned.

 


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