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What of the children of Thelemites?

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Many of us here have kids, and i am curious what folks may, or may not, have done as far as their children's education.

AC makes many recommendations, most crazy (children should witness their parents, and if possible others, having sex throughout childhood), to various pseudo-Christian practices (saying "Will" before meals - has anyone actually done this for more than say a week? Why?), etc.

With my son, the only religious training he got was the D'Aulaire Greek, Roman, and Norse myth books.

When my father died when he was 8, he said "Now grandpa has gone to Valhalla, or perhaps to Hades' realm".

Another good story: when he was five and acting up during some tourism, my mother said "Hush, this is a church!" He replied, making daddy very proud ,"What's a church, grandma?". The story about him seeing a crucifix and yelling about "that man Fucking" ("his name's Jesus, not Fucking" "i knew his name was a bad word") is too long to tell.

How have you talked to your kids about "god"/"gods", religion, spirituality, Thelema, or other topics, or have you avoided saying anything at all about these things as i have?

I have urged him to read the bible now that he is a teenager, just as i have urged him to listen to various music, or watch films or look at some type of art.

He is much more interested in what we call "the Satan worship" (Dungeons & Dragons; he plays with home-schooled Xian kids whose parents worry they will go to Hell bc of my son's dungeon-mastering- "Call or text us if the Satan worship is running past 11!") and trying to play guitar like Jimmy Page and Robert Fripp.

And in case you think these latter are my forming him: i think it is commendable that a 16-year-old can play the solos from "Stairway to Heaven" or "21st Century Schizoid Man" but i don't think he or she should do it in public, any more than they should masturbate in front of folks. In any case i would prefer some Lou, Johnny Thunders, or Wayne Kramer solos (which he can also do but he digs the prog).

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long post close your eyes shiva and skip right on past because honestly you dont want to know the answers to the questions you are asking. because "lineages"

I have six children 14,16,18,20,22,31 3 are diagnosed with autism and the other three should be too but that is just a label. My own label is children of the mist, fae folk

as I think I said I made a promise to ariesman to keep his children off the grid after watching my 22 year old come home from school and bang her head on the wall saying mummy why is it when I sit down to talk to the other kids they get up and tell me Im fat and they dont want to be near me.. that broke my heart she is such a sweet beautiful person. She wanted to die, she felt unloved and unwelcome. So she never went back to school again.

Then my son, 20 lost his shit and landed two boys in hospital with broken bones and creamed another three.. I get the call "how bad my son is how terrible he is and the police will be called" so I was now put him on the phone. I asked him what happened.. and he said in a sad voice.. they told me to go home and suck on my mums tits.... so bad me went to bat for my son doing what sons do, protect their mum he never went back to school after that day.

so i raised them, never pushed them, allowed them to learn what they wanted to learn, I guided them in manners and gave them adventures but never gave them lessons. Everyone I met would look down on me, frown on it.. but their father was dead so no other controlling factor.

Now my son is super polite well mannered and super clean living....smart and respected as a leader of the game... and my daughter is a sweet heart..and creates wonder in miniature...

BUT now, when the shits going to clay that respect and allowing them to be themselves is not returned. They are glued to their screens her with her anime and him with his game moderatorship. and to them as I am to you, Im the crazy fairy.

Im crazy as but the sanest person ever because I have had everyone in my life trying to impose their will and drag me one way or another..

why would anyone do that? well when you are the goddess reborn as revelations it kinda upsets a lot of applecarts Isnt that right guys.

well now I know that answer... in short ya'all have your lineages down pat what is black and white and red all over... logos in paper form.. the "records" so when I was born both lines have played football
one side sworn to protect one to destroy ..but it turns into all have their future down pat and no one seesthe couption they have become and hide so well...

elite you said you don't understand what I say but you all know. I may act as scattered as a cuckoo but you know something I cannot lie I never have been able to tell a lie...

I said the word interferometer and I noticed it was ignored.. i only said that to see the reaction...see I am all about the reaction.... the mirror .. because it catches all.. prob why you dont say much michael because you know I am watching you as much as you are watching me...and when it was ignored it further cemented thoughts

ya'all killed me long long ago or was it now before.. well anyhows...
I did do the arnie line "Ill be back" by your very deeds of destruction you create me... see my other posts...

so the red and the black join forces.. because this isnt the fat controllers planet, not their beautiful sun.. the moon? jury is still out..... the controllers are more concerned with the ascension than saving it..because have somewhere else to go... and are not magnetically tuned in to the world around us..so everyone seems to need to steal that magnetics of innocents.. bit like raping the earth of commodities and sending the magnetics way out of balance.. bit like the resonance and current from that shit electricity and a bit like the food that is all ioned up for the greedy to feed off ..

Shiva.. you been in hospital ..you have blood pressure issues and yet you tell me how enlightened you are... and how everyones sitting back zenning and watching me... because they balanced the scales of maat *bullshit

you men cannot heal yourselves all you know how to do is to send your bad shit into the mirror to get rid of it off you... being your wives and girlfriends mothers of your children because you thought it was all about your children not the vessel that bought them life... the children of the oracle all being reborn, no use fighting over them eh// one of reach to go around... I am sure you have your records and gene lines all mapped and ready to pounce to suck that lifeforce out... so man is the predator

man just had to control and steal the oracles power and chain her and in doing so sewed the seeds of his own destruction. that is the self fullfilling prophecy..

I am maat the mother the creator... the all and the nothing... you made me nothing so therefore you created the all....

you cant even reply to my posts because simple

Reveal the lie speak only truth

and you are all too goddammit afraid of that ... err me .... cant face me I might just see you

so you have to hide and destroy be like the shiva hero.... I mean shiva..face it..... you are so jealous...

you decided to be shiva and "presumed" you could name your kali and when I dropped out of the clouds (I am a macleod of the black line) you didnt like that one bit, so once again you presumed to "stand over me" you disgust me

How dare you insult a woman's tears and say that because of my tears I am crazy and need medical help. How dare you give a woman reason to have any self doubt. you are horrendous and you are the "poison worm" of the apple and believe me I have eaten plenty of them. I know them apples.... and I look down at you with no respect whatsoever.
BUT .. I wish I had a butt,the wooden seat wouldnt cause so much discomfort...

That is WHY I am here. To cut your head off, hmm like nagasiva.. the snake goddess .. actually this time around a mama coastal taipan .. they don't like the smell of man... but they don't see me as a human threat ..because I am not.. human or a threat.. just another big bit of nature to co exist with the whole 5 foot 120 pounds of me...

Do you know why I am KALI ? I am Kali because she is me. I always was and always will be. I was still a teenager when I understood that part of me. and it was a very long adolescence to finally emerge as a dolt now.at 52....

Ignant I respect very much and my Tiger, my hidden tiger and elite, your confusedness is confusing says confucious.. and I love Jamie .. Michael being the sly little priest he is, is hiding ... DOM I no respect for... you have to give respect to get it from me and I reached out was nice to DOM but he also had to tear me down and deny me. Which effectively rendered the australian branch of the OTO obsolete by mismanagement and misdirection when it should be the most powerful of all as it is the mothers home. Say hello to Nigel up Cairns way if he is still OTO'ing...another one to get A LASHING of my tongue many years ago... 12 actually. I told him not to touch my daughter I told him not to give her LSD that it wasn't his job, it was mine. Yet another time I had to save one of my children from man's stupidity. That was sacred between the mother and the daughter to happen a the right time when and if she was ready.. she wasn't... she was a kid... and his act was sacrilegious as was doping her drink and near killing her. So that too created me. I did not appreciate being woken up by the goddess at 1 in the morning and having to drive all over town with my 4 babies strapped in car seats at midnight to find my errant teen daughter because she had cried out to me in fear of her life. Then to find he had taken her to Kewarra beach and given her a trip and then invited her into crocodile infested waters fr a swim... congratulate nigel no friends for building my daughters fears when she should have none..like her mother.

And to watch him treat crowleys work like a show pony trying to be ringmaster was educational to say the least. I had already cracked the system by then and crowley and I knew each other well The one man that did encourage me, the one man who never knocked me down the one man who showed with love and encouragement each step of my five footprints.... so much so he wrote me in logos The WORD Margaret
lol the wrath of KAAN as keith used to say.. he also said "the dark star was born to wander till called upon their destiny yonder".

So I had the courage to learn that women are not just cooks and house cleaners to leave at home in a corner and a pair of legs to spread even though if we want we do that better than anyone. thats a woman's love... putting love in every brew she creates ... ie as the taste of cooking .. caring what is produced as an art form.creation from nothing most times not to even get a thanks that was tasty being good enough to rub their feet and backs and heal them and keep them warm then when its time for a weekend away fishing "its with the boys" running around for everyone else sitting on the throne of power surrounded by worshippers but when the lowly wife asks a simple man chore of fixing the car, to be shit on and told how useless and no time to help me. and then on the opposite to Watch mens faces when they find out I am the computer tech that will fix their shit when it breaks or needs virus removal because they went to the wrong porn sites and compromised their credit cads and wifey finding out.. and then almost laughing at their discomfort when I show them the right porn sites to browse and not get infected.

now shiva.. are you preparing your "you hate men" lines yet...*dances* don't bother .. I love men, when they grow a set and be a real man and boost their oracle female partners up instead of tearing them down. encouraging not encapturing... not caging but being behind them allowing them to step out and up and being behind them protecting supporting and loving.. because us oracle girls have "my next victim" written on their foreheads that all men who cannot face themselves and their own inadequacies instead throwing them in the mirror and projecting their image, the WORD and fists upon them

now to the point.. *laughs*

shiva if you wish to know what you have been asking here ... then listen to my next post and post a "that's nice magi" reply and walk away unless you wish to discuss it as equals. ...

do not bother thinking you can slap me back ..I do keep telling you.. everything you do to stop me, creates me.

Shiva the point.. you like to press into my flesh is EGO .. sweetheart i have no ego... it was beaten out of me by man and turned into courage .. courage to overcome fear to be MEME MAMA. I have stood in front of my children and taken many a flogging incited by them being to young and naive to know when to back down when angry violent father is raging.

you think you scare me when this is what the father had to say to me

It's good to have a smoke
Its good to be a bloke
and you are the kind of c"*&T
any good man would choke

to deny my children the way u have of knowledge heritage of capabilities and most importantly Love devotion and security for people whose lives depend on you. you are scum eg sylvana
I really mean that

keith swan aries man

I think he was talking to you shiva.

so todays learning in highlight for you all next post

I need a cigarette and walk outside to rid myself of unwanted externals... bt i have put much of it together .. im not even going to worry about Snake pit I am sworn to tell truth so I will...

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I am only half black.. my father sydney - means serpent.. the river.. or meadow by the river and the awesome family name of Hartin .. the heart wrapped orund th eserpent *grins ..oh and my dads a little red haired irish dude
and that is the tall and the short of it.. the children are all mixed red and black lines .. what was divided for a chance of union is together in these powerful children.. who seem to get the violent blood sucking leeches attach and suck the lifeforce of the pure blood children of the mist

rainbow serpent

Babalon - Burrum


in order for anyone to see truth and feel truth at this point of it all, Sh&t has to be reversed.


Deming looked at the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), an isolated military compound in Alaska that uses radio waves to study outer space and for testing advanced communication techniques – and a favorite focus of conspiracy theorists, who have accused the facility of acts ranging from mind control to weather control. He studied the possibility of otoacoustic emissions, which are naturally occurring sounds caused by the vibration of hair cells in the ear.

Deming eventually fingered Very Low Frequency (VLF) radio waves (between 3 kHz and 30 kHz) as the most likely culprit. The world’s military powers use massive land-based and airborne transmitters on these frequencies in order to communicate with submerged submarines. Radio waves at these frequencies can penetrate up to a solid inch of aluminum.
In the paper, Deming proposes a simple and elegant experiment for testing this hypothesis. Hum hearers randomly enter three identical-looking boxes. The first box blocks VLF radio signals, the second box is an anechoic (soundproof) chamber and the third box is the control.
He left the experiment for others to pursue, and while there are some practical difficulties with the design, Deming’s overall concept has motivated the experiments I am currently conducting.


then we look at the connection comparison between the HUM *insert f&*king jumbo jet warming up inside ones ears and


and then we can look at an article such as this posted to me

Physiological effects have been observed in a human subject in response to stimulation of the skin with weak electromagnetic fields that are pulsed with certain frequencies near ½ Hz or 2.4 Hz, such as to excite a sensory resonance. Many computer monitors and TV tubes, when displaying pulsed images, emit pulsed electromagnetic fields of sufficient amplitudes to cause such excitation. It is therefore possible to manipulate the nervous system of a subject by pulsing images displayed on a nearby computer monitor or TV set. For the latter, the image pulsing may be imbedded in the program material, or it may be overlaid by modulating a video stream, either as an RF signal or as a video signal. The image displayed on a computer monitor may be pulsed effectively by a simple computer program. For certain monitors, pulsed electromagnetic fields capable of exciting sensory resonances in nearby subjects may be generated even as the displayed images are pulsed with subliminal intensity.

and now the prize

What is an Interferometer?
Interferometers are investigative tools used in many fields of science and engineering. They are called interferometers because they work by merging two or more sources of light to create an interference pattern, which can be measured and analyzed; hence 'Interfere-meter'. The interference patterns generated by interferometers contain information about the object or phenomenon being studied. They are often used to make very small measurements that are not achievable any other way. This is why they are so powerful for detecting gravitational waves--LIGO's interferometers are designed to measure a distance 1/10,000th the width of a proton!

Widely used today, interferometers were actually invented in the late 19th century by Albert Michelson. The Michelson Interferometer was used in 1887 in the "Michelson-Morley Experiment", which set out to prove or disprove the existence of "Luminiferous Aether"--a substance at the time thought to permeate the Universe. All modern interferometers have evolved from this first one since it demonstrated how the properties of light can be used to make the tiniest of measurements. The invention of lasers has enabled interferometers to make the smallest conceivable measurements, like those required by LIGO.

Remarkably, the basic structure of LIGO's interferometers differs little from the interferometer that Michelson designed over 125 years ago, but with some added features, described in LIGO's Interferometer.


Magi Mae- the reason why "blank faces" light on but nobody home. Men smashing the mirror in to tiny fragments
Magi mae - the shumman resonance is not the natural hum of the world it is created magnified and targetted

www3.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de/div/vlbi/6th_evlbi/eVLBI_presentations/CRuszczyk1.pdf Glownet Bossnet

Glownet Trial (cont)
• Trial by fire solution proposed
– Dragon, ISI-E, Haystack personal
– Inject an “alien wave” through DWDM Glownet
• Cisco 1500 DWDM gear
• Rated to support 2.4 Gbps
• Alien wave
– An Alien Wave is a WDM frequency of light used for
digital transport that is not originating nor terminating
on the system under consideration and is not native to
the system under consideration

scientificamerican com/article/could-certain-frequencies

it boils down to negative ions
examples.yourdictionary com/ion-examples.html
so Shiva - bicarb soda will work wonders and avoid food with positive ions or a positive charge plus walk as much as possible to keep the Ki moving and flowing

The inorganic anions nitrate (NO3−) and nitrite (NO2−) were previously thought to be inert end products of endogenous nitric oxide (NO) metabolism. However, recent studies show that these supposedly inert anions can be recycled in vivo to form NO, representing an important alternative source of NO to the classical L-arginine–NO-synthase pathway, in particular in hypoxic states. This Review discusses the emerging important biological functions of the nitrate–nitrite–NO pathway, and highlights studies that implicate the therapeutic potential of nitrate and nitrite in conditions such as myocardial infarction, stroke, systemic and pulmonary hypertension, and gastric ulceration.
It is possible that heating is not the only effect of radiation. Some scientists claim that human tissue, including the brain, may be affected nonthermally. Regrettably, many exposure parameters, such as frequency, orientation, modulation, power density and duration, make it difficult to directly compare experiments and draw specific conclusions at nonthermal levels. Also, it is important to remember that, perhaps expectedly, interpretations of findings in this area of investigation are shrouded in controversy, particularly because special interests may influence some of the research. The publication of findings does not necessarily scientifically validate a study.

At lower levels of exposure, evidence for specific effects that may occur as a result of direct neural interactions with radio frequency fields is sparse. In addition, many of the studies that claim provocative results have yet to be replicated by independent laboratories. Other studies describe potential associations. For example, a recent report suggests that the low-intensity electromagnetic field of geomagnetic storms--disturbances in the earths magnetic field caused by gusts of solar wind--may have a subtle but measurable influence on suicide incidence in women.

so to be easily controlled.. subjected to pains and aches .. bad chest ill feeling..
eat packet food full of those gems of positiveness
sit in front of a screen and cry your heart out or be subjected to subliminal commands

airtamer com negative-ions-positive-effect-human-body
Don’t go by the name, there is nothing negative or unhealthy about negative ions. Negative ions are beneficial for the human body while positive ions are harmful. In fact, you will find the highest concentrations of negative ions in natural, clean air. Ions are invisible charged particles in the air – either molecules or atoms, which bear an electric charge. Some particles are positively charged and some are negatively charged. To put it simply, positive ions are molecules that have lost one or more electrons whereas negative ions are actually oxygen atoms with extra-negatively-charged electrons. Negative ions are abundant in nature, especially around waterfalls, on the ocean surf, at the beach and after a storm. They are widespread in mountains and forests.
rivers ... sitting by a fast moving tidal river in the forest..

and until the interferometers and frequencies are torn away, the earth will continue to scream the children will continue to be controlled and the lie will live... hmm spellcheck wanted to give me interferon... nasty stuff that...

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I’m no parent but -- here my 2cents

I’ve heard the saying
The child comes into the parents life so must learn to adapt to them .
The parent should go on living their life instead of adapting it to the kids life .

“ so i raised them, never pushed them, allowed them to learn what they wanted to learn, I guided them in manners and gave them adventures “

myths might be a good way to get nonartistic people into an appreciation for art .
a trip to the Cloisters maybe ?

Gnostic , Thelema, Xtian, Satanism, Lilith, Pandemonium, Atheism fun talk enjoy
Children usually have a sense of how to train and raise their parents .

Shiva is a healer he has good second sight
you had questioned your insight previously
so he was trying to help
and perhaps triggered
the stingers
that raised a sense of surety

and am i crazy or are you posting a lot of info that has no bearance for ignants querrey ?

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hey im the crazy one.. tiger ..

my massive posting today
😀 actually all has bearing on on ignants question *blinkers off time* blindfold removed

the children of thelema/of the oracle .. are all suppressed under this current /interference and cannot hear truth through the white noise .. which subjects them to "whims and fads of those in control around them.. leading to loss of their power and a heck of a lot of youth suicide... and despression

I was talking to a guy fairly new to thelema who is still searching out answers as to why his son, his best bud died of drugs and no care factor... Timothy Brian U ..

I have been talking to many of the lost children .. who do not see any reason to go on... many many who are bundles of fear..

and my own children raised to be free but still trapped under this "zapper" that has direct relevance to shivas resonance...

and yes I can understand what I said to Shiva may offend.. earn me a ban or a smackdown... but I said what I said because it is truth ... and that offends 50 percent of the world straight away.. I dont apologise for speaking truth I see what i see on so many levels...

Shiva comes out with some awesome knowledge but to heal one needs to touch the heart not slap it and I am afraid shiva can be quite nasty and condescending. Perhaps that is his way, but it contributes to destruction instead of construction in a woman.. you guys can take the punches.. women can't and especially today's woman who is constantly bombarded with self doubts from external influences.. As man is constantly taught not to cry not to feel emotion

healing is empathic.. and I offend shiva...

you sent me the link ages ago to a swami speaking of Love and romantic love... and how unless it is perfect it shouldn't be and that is so true..unless it has that spark that magnetism it will spiral in a downward vortex of instability each taking instead of giving to each other..

and each star has it's own orbit.. not too many binarys out there that are stable..

we have been conditioned by religion into monogamous life long marriage... the perfect life... just going around and around.. no stars shining

ps as I ws typing my edit i began to feel really weary all of a sudden and the pitch changed in my ears. Now my girls are clashing badly the cat escaped from the house into the dark and my son got up in the middle of it all looking stunned... and my burnt leg started caning me

not natural ..

Im off to relax and play with colours for a bit nite guys

its a very powerful night here I was watching the lights zip around down near the river .. and the sky seems to be more moving and full of particles
more colours in the crystals and on the trees

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