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When Rose Kelly heard voices
May 21, 2014 By Brandy Williams

This article raises some very valid questions. What did Rose experience and how did she feel about the message conveyed?
Yes, we most likely will never know but with Rose drinking heavily and then being locked up, maybe she could not deal with it, never-mind grasp it?

In this context then it is unexceptional that Rose would fall into a trance during one of her husband’s workings and it was not unusual that she would dictate a ritual to him. Context also helps us recover the nuances of the working. A Pagan today would expect the ritual to be given by the deity Horus; a ceremonial magician would expect Crowley to receive dictation from his Holy Guardian Angel. But Rose heard Aiwass too, and Aleister kept the possibility open that Aiwass had been Assyrian. Remembering the importance of Spiritualism helps us make sense of that part of the story. The religious and occult milieu in which the Crowleys moved allowed for fluid exploration of the world of the spirit.
What we lack is Rose’s own description of her experience. Crowley said he heard Aiwass speaking from behind his shoulder. Did Rose? When did she know the voice was not Horus – when did he speak his name? What did she think the voice represented? Did she also experience the entity as her Higher Self? Did she hear it even when her husband wasn’t making an invocation? Did she hear it later in life? When she said “they” are waiting for you, who else was speaking?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/starandsnake/2014/05/thelema-and-spiritualism/


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I think she perhaps delivered as she was expected to do by her husband, all in the atmosphere of the time and the moment. they were on honeymoon and she infatuated with him and his seeming mystical powers. I think it is perhaps relevant that he "lost the manuscript in the attic, until such a time as he saw a purpose for it.  It should also not be overlooked that immense amounts of stimulants were used by he and his assistants in almost all of his magickal life. I admire Crowley immensely, but have come to see him of late as a fascinating Creative Character who had the ability to "dream true" to such an extent that the impact is still here with us today. Such are all truly great Magicians. Magickal truth is measured by the extent to which it influences others.
Who really knows what Rose or he truly saw or felt, by the time he came to write down accounts of it he had a reputation and a cult to maintain. I have always felt that somewhere he truly believed in AL and its transmission. He is lucky Rose went mad and didn't hang around to bring it all down to earth.


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The blogger raises some valid questions, and reminds us of the important context of Spiritualism. But I think it is mistaken to say that Rose heard Aiwass too; she was supposedly not in the room, which baffled AC as to how she knew what words to interpolate in the manuscript. Also, when did Rose tell AC that is was Aiwass who was instructing her, not Horus? I don't think that is mentioned in the 'official account' either.

Despite these errors, I have to agree that we would be a lot more informed if we had Ouarda's version of events.

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"ptoner" wrote:
When Rose Kelly heard voices
May 21, 2014 By Brandy Williams

This article raises some very valid questions. What did Rose experience and how did she feel about the message conveyed?
Yes, we most likely will never know but with Rose drinking heavily and then being locked up, maybe she could not deal with it, never-mind grasp it?

In this context then it is unexceptional that Rose would fall into a trance during one of her husband’s workings and it was not unusual that she would dictate a ritual to him. Context also helps us recover the nuances of the working. A Pagan today would expect the ritual to be given by the deity Horus; a ceremonial magician would expect Crowley to receive dictation from his Holy Guardian Angel. But Rose heard Aiwass too, and Aleister kept the possibility open that Aiwass had been Assyrian. Remembering the importance of Spiritualism helps us make sense of that part of the story. The religious and occult milieu in which the Crowleys moved allowed for fluid exploration of the world of the spirit.
What we lack is Rose’s own description of her experience. Crowley said he heard Aiwass speaking from behind his shoulder. Did Rose? When did she know the voice was not Horus – when did he speak his name? What did she think the voice represented? Did she also experience the entity as her Higher Self? Did she hear it even when her husband wasn’t making an invocation? Did she hear it later in life? When she said “they” are waiting for you, who else was speaking?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/starandsnake/2014/05/thelema-and-spiritualism/

Yes this is the central event in the conception of Theelma.  Was Rose really so ignorant about Egyptology?  Even if she was maybe exhibit 666 just looked like the most aesthetically pleasing one to her.


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