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@threefold31 I have not finished reading the book preview.  But I agree with you, it is a highly detailed and well researched article.  I was especially interested in the fact that more than one Egyptologist, (One being none other than Gaston Maspero) were working on the translation of the Stele of Anhk-ef-en-Khonsu. Who is Perdurabo St?


   
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3. Now let it be first understood that I am a god of War and of Vengeance. I shall deal hardly with them.

The last thing that appears in the verse preceding this one is the name Ra-Hoor-Khuit; verse three contains 79 letters, the Tri-key gematria value of Ra-Hoor-Khuit. I am of the opinion the letter count is no coincidence, and was implemented in the event someone should attempt to argue Ra-Hoor-Khuit is not the god war mentioned in the verse, thus verifying he is.

 

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Dwtw

The identity of the speaker is not in dispute. He goes by the name Ra Hoor Khuit in the text. Now please find a reputable source in Egyptian mythology that says he is a war-god.

And how many other verses have 79 letters, and of those how many refer to RHK?

And on the subject of letter counts, if they are important to your 'validation', then what equivalents does the Trikey have to 216 and 107, which produce the total letter count of the Book? Do they in turn refer to that book itself?

 

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Posted by: @threefold31

Now please find a reputable source in Egyptian mythology that says he is a war-god.

It is possible (probable?) that there is no such source. Does this matter? We are not examining Egyptian mythology, per se, but we are on a tour of Aleister's mind. It was an angry inner-child who wanted to "deal hardly with them."

I often wondered who "them" was. It makes no sense in the Egyptian legends, unless he's Horus - then Set, at least, would be up for fisticuffs. But Set is not a "them."

The Plymouth Brethren were "them," in AC's pseudo-Egyptology that was current at the time.


   
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Posted by: @threefold31

And how many other verses have 79 letters, and of those how many refer to RHK?

There are no other verses that have 79 letters, but verse III:70 contains 70 letters, the gematria value of Ra-Hoor-Khu.


   
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We are not examining Egyptian mythology, per se, but we are on a tour of Aleister's mind.

Aleister's mind informed by what was the accepted interpretation of Egyptian mythology.  That said, Thelema is not Egyptian magick. But I'm someone who sees learning about history and authentic practice as a way of deepening the connection to the magick derived from them, so I don't see delvings like this as without merit. 

 

Posted by: @shiva

- then Set, at least, would be up for fisticuffs."

Though Set hasn't always been "Egyptian Satan".  And, as mentioned earlier,  there was overlap between Set's and Mentu's cults as well. 


   
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@katrice Even "Satan" has a role in the narrative.  A drama needs a villain.


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

@katrice Even "Satan" has a role in the narrative.  A drama needs a villain.

 

I am fully aware of that, but too often Set gets interpreted as the Egyptian Satan, when he wasn't always a villain.  Set as a force of pure evil is a later interpretation. 

 


   
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I am fully aware of that, but too often Set gets interpreted as the Egyptian Satan, when he wasn't always a villain.  Set as a force of pure evil is a later interpretation. 

 

I agree with you! Set, in some periods, was a cult (patron) god in certain cities.  Like you say, they are fluid, having different meanings at different times.  


   
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... they are fluid, having different meanings at different times.  

Fluidity, combined with different meanings implies "spin."

The earliest myths/legends/tales are where to find the "truer" meanings. Says so in the Liber O Scripture. As time goes by, various scribes distort the stories in order to provide political spin, which is applicable to power, positions, maybe profits, certainly prestige.

The way to straighten this out is to invoke the god, any god or goddess, then do the others, too. The one will gnowsis for one's self. Of course, one's results will be filtered by the magician's mind, so this is where fluidity comes in. A few people who agree on the basic attributes of any god may wish to found a church ... then they can argue about the fine details and split up into different demon-izations, or denomination.


   
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Posted by: @threefold31

And how many other verses have 79 letters, and of those how many refer to RHK?

There are no other verses that have 79 letters, but verse III:70 contains 70 letters, the gematria value of Ra-Hoor-Khu.

Dwtw

Well, that's a good start. Now how many other words equal 79?

And you didn't answer the question about whether your key has anything significant to say about 107 and 216. If the letter counts of verses are going to have significance, then the full letter count should also have significance.

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Now how many other words equal 79?

There are nine, which include Ra-Hoor-Khuit, Hrumachis, and Hawk-headed, which in themselves suggest Hrumachis will be another form of Horus with the head of a hawk.

As for 106 and 216, I don't multiply numbers to arrive at large values, I use another method.

 


   
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@threefold31 

I need to concentrate on the work at hand, and won't post for awhile, but would like to say that even though I challenge you sometimes, I only do so because there are so few that can, and you have my deepest respect. In 2009, when Tahuti showed me the significance of the letter frequency counts in Liber Legis, I immediately thought of you, and realized you had to be under the influence of the Secret Chiefs. On April 10th, I will demonstrate that fact in the most remarkable way: it will be my gift to you.

THE SECRET CHIEFS = 93 

 


   
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Posted by: @herupakraath

In 2009, when Tahuti showed me the significance of the letter frequency counts in Liber Legis, I immediately thought of you, and realized you had to be under the influence of the Secret Chiefs. On April 10th, I will demonstrate that fact in the most remarkable way

There's a lot of esoteric presumptions in this paragraph. I'll not dissect them, as they are obvious.


   
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Posted by: @herupakraath

On April 10th, I will demonstrate that fact in the most remarkable way

but in another recent thread, it was

Posted by: @herupakraath

I'll be back on April 8th.

Of course, on either 4/8 or 4/10, or perhaps on some other date, what will be revealed will be..... more contrived, baroque booshwa that convinces no one except its author.

Said author has recently struggled to understand the meaning of "zero". To better understand "zero", it may be helpful for him to consider the number of folks he has convinced of the validity of his "work", after 13 years of trying.


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

Of course, on either 4/8 or 4/10, or perhaps on some other date, what will be revealed will be..... more contrived, baroque booshwa that convinces no one except its author.

3x31 has shown interest in this work, and has been identified as (possibly) the only entity who might understand it. So that leaves us out, and besides, it's Sping. The festival will be opening soon; RTC may come our way.

It's only a matter of just a few days,
and we will be rewarded in many ways,
we must keep alert and stay in-phase
so that we can be amaze[d]

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Said author has recently struggled to understand the meaning of "zero"

Well, yes, confusing Zero (a number where everything is static and dead) with emptiness (in which life continues, but without attachments or thinking) is possibly understandable, and it is remedial if someone would explain the difference, which I just have.

 


   
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Posted by: @herupakraath

THE SECRET CHIEFS = 93 

 

In none of your "papers" so far I have seen anything adding up to 93. I am sure there are phrases that do. But is there anything better than that really idiotic notion of "Secret Chiefs"? Or is 93 a thing of the past now?

Funny how we again wait for an April 8-10 date and a super-important work about the cypher to be released. Not with baited breath, not optimistically, but we wait...

Do I hope it will be "better" than the last time? I do. Are my hopes high? They aren't.

 

 


   
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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

... but we wait...

"The waiter" plays and important role in the Cairo legend.

 


   
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Was "The waiter" Waite?


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Was "The waiter" Waite?

Well, one could just add an "r" to Waite, which is something Crowley would do, and then publish it in The Equinox ... but he didn't want to call attention to waiters while simultaneously keeping Cairo Hotel Waiters under the Table or Out-of-Print.


   
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Posted by: @herupakraath

On April 10th, I will demonstrate that [@threefold31 is "under the influence of the Secret Chiefs"] in the most remarkable way: it will be my gift to [him]

Of course, as many expected, @herupakraath 's promised "I'll be back on April 8th" resulted in a no-show.

However, it would be uncharitable to assume, just because he failed to produce the goods two days ago, that today's promised "demonstration" will also be a no-show.

It is currently 3:05pm in sunny Amarillo, Texas, so only a scant 8 hours and 55 minutes left to show us all what he's got.


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

It is currently 3:05pm in sunny Amarillo, Texas, so only a scant 8 hours and 55 minutes left to show us all what he's got.

That's SO unfair to us Europeans!

 

 


   
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@ignant666 My dad was from Abeline.


   
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Posted by: @toadstoolwe

My dad was from Abeline.

Was he a secret chief ?


   
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@shiva  No, just a veteran who served in the 82nd Airborne in WW2.  He is MY secret Chief.


   
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Posted by: @herupakraath

On April 10th, I will demonstrate that fact in the most remarkable way: it will be my gift to you.

Whatever you will demonstrate, from now on you are just a clown (not that people think you ever where something different). And yes, you did not answer my 93 question either. You see, my daily work is a creative one and when I promise something and I see - for whatever reasons - oops, I promised too much, I just let my customers know and everybody will usually understand. Promising something for April 8, then 10, that allegedly is clear for 13 years and deliver not, is - well - embarrassing. Or maybe OTOish if you think of publication promises made. I already told everyone of my not too high hopes. Maybe you fulfilled your promise to threefold31 privately, well, even more clownish.

 


   
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Dwtw

Nothing has been delivered to me regarding the chiefs, secret or otherwise.

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Recently viewed by users: [...] herupakraath 1 hour ago

Comrade No-Show lurks, but does not post his promised proofs and demonstrations- i for one am shocked, shocked i tell you!


   
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