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As in title.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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I remember a line that begins with the words

 

"Stab your demoniac smile to my brain, soak me in..."

 

I think you know the rest 😉 

 

But isn't talk of the second item in the topic risking a rules violation?


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(Are there spoiler tags?  The following really should be in spoiler tags.)

Roughly speaking, MDMA does a fair simulacrum of "the Peace that Passeth Understanding," while LSD (probably other hallucinogens like shrooms too, but LSD is the heavy metal guitar to the organic stuff's acoustic guitar  🙂 ) can do a fair simulacrum of ego death+oneness with the universe, under the right circumstances.  

You might even be lucky and do both.  You take one about 20 mins before the other - can't remember which way round though lol, one of them comes up faster than the other, and you can basically rocket off to the stratosphere on a lovely quasi-enlightenment trip if you time it right.  Used to do it at Glasto in the mid-90s.

Of course there can be miscellaneous other things going on (drunk, stoned, coked), but these two together just obliterate everything else.  Combine with lovemaking for the fullest potential of God looking at God through God's eyes.

But they're more like glimpses through a glass darkly, the real thing is at right-angles to all ordinary experience, even drug experiences; or to put it another way, drug experiences are still ordinary experience.  Still, for people who aren't interested in doing the full recommended course of scientific inquiry, it's a good insight, it lets you know (as William James said) that there are all sorts of frames of mind (or ways of being) to be experienced other than the normal.

Ofc AC himself canvassed the analytic potential of dope, and several other things. 

The problem is, it's a trick, really it's got nothing to do with the drugs per se, but they can trigger something.  LSD seems to lower the "test" threshold of the mind's "generate-and-test" process, or even puts it to sleep entirely.  cf. AC's "I thought I saw a banker's clerk descending from a bus, I looked again and saw it was a hippopotamus" from Eight Lectures - or in a more advanced version, "I understood a man's delusion that he is a teapot" from one of the American retreat diaries - basically the mind is thinking "what is this?" and generating all sorts of weird and whacky hypotheses as to "what it is," without any debby downer stuff from the "test" part of the brain.

So that can just be a normal fun "trip" where wild stuff happens (for example, seeing everything pixellated like Doom, having a serious conversation with a wizard with a staff, and teleporting outside Glastonbury at one point - both of these actually happened to me 🙂 ).  That's just entertainment.  But you can get into wondering who you are/what the hell's really going on with this world we find ourselves adventuring in, and that can go bad (classic bad trip depersonalization) or it can go good (Satori simulacrum - MDMA helps it go good).

(Note: if you're seeing frightening hallucinations, just move - hallucinations tend to occur when you're fixated, if you move, some of the old "test" processes come back again.  Also remember it's just a drug.  That's the disappointing thing about it really, it affects the brain chemistry, but there's honestly something else happening with the real thing, something much, much bigger, when the process is self-generated by the mind/brain, without any outside help.  Drug "enlightenment" is like looking at a movie of everyone having a good time in Corfu instead of being there, it looks real, but it isn't.)


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On a less flippant note, most "drugs" if that kind just mimic natural biochemicals, so we all have our own internal "drugs"


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(Are there spoiler tags?  The following really should be in spoiler tags.)

Roughly speaking

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But isn't talk of the second item in the topic risking a rules violation?

The instruction wasn't necessarily for all people though was it?  It was for Crowley on how to worship Hadit isn't it?  That's what we were discussing. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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And as to "strange drugs" and rules violations: this is the rule in question:

Contributions that promote or appear to promote activities unlawful in the UK or USA are prohibited.

Many, but not all, "strange drugs" are "unlawful" in the UK or USA.

The hardest drugs, heroin/morphine/etc and cocaine, are available in both the US and the UK under various legal controls.

There are medical cannabis programs in both countries, and cannabis is entirely legal for all adults in many US states, including NY, where katrice and i live.

Psilocybin mushrooms are illegal in the UK since 2005, and illegal in most of the US, but are legal for adults in the state of Oregon and Washington, DC, and it looks like California is about to legalize most psychedelics. Several other states have psilocybin legalization bills that may pass someday.

Peyote and ayahuasca are entirely legal substances in the US for adherents to religions that use these substances as sacraments.

There are numerous psychedelic plants, and "research chemical" substances, that are entirely legal in both countries.

And of course "wine" remains entirely "unlawful" in the many US counties that never repealed Prohibition.


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2:22

 

 To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof!

Crowley was specifically 'told thereof.'

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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If we judge by AC's documented personal consumption, "strange drugs whereof" he was told would include heroin/morphine/opium, cocaine, cannabis, peyote, peyote extract, ether, belladonna, jimson-weed, and probably amanita muscaria mushrooms.

And of course wine, brandy, absinthe, and many other forms of alcohol that are unlawful in much of the USA.

LSD was discovered in 1943, and AC never knew of it. But since he was an enthusiastic user of cannabis and peyote, it is impossible to imagine he would not have embraced its use. Many other psychedelics were discovered/discovered by "Western Civilization" in the decades after he died.


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Wait a minute!  I always thought Crowley was a teetotaler.   In the Equinox of the Gods at the end of his life he writes:  "Strictly temperate as to drink, had never once been even near intoxication. Light wine my only form of alcohol."


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I believe he also mentions his strict heterosexuality in that very same bio.


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AC is referring to San Pedro/Peyote/Mescaline. he only experienced these in a strange land. Mexico and had by all accounts a profound experience. 
Having journeyed with them and others from the same region myself.... they have connected me to source. 

I can refer you to this youtube video from a fellow Irishman. 

https://www.lashtal.com/patrick-everitt-on-crowleys-use-of-peyote/

 


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Correction, he had also used the peyote extract when not in mexico..... the famous elixir?


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He got peyote extract from Parke-Davis in Detroit, and i believe served peyote tea at the Rites of Elusis.

AC always refers to peyote by the outdated/incorrect botanical name Anhalonium lewinii. This probably is because his sole source of the drug, and information about the drug, was Parke-Davis; they used/promoted this term in their efforts to turn it into some sort of profitable product. Today it is called Lophophora williamsii.


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Thanks for confirming that igant666. Seems i just recalled that prior to your post and got in 2mins before your response. 

Attached is the essay/study by Patrick, in regards to AC's connection to the Peyote, or Grandfather as they call it in Native American circles. 

I think AC, in the BotL, was ensuring that those who understand what is meant by strange drugs, take them and join with Godhead/Divine source. Conversing with entities, receiving information downloads, and purging yourself of that which does not serve you in the process. These are maybe the few and secret?

I would go on to say, that it prob had the most major influence on Thelema. No Horus Toy needed.

https://www.lashtal.com/wp-content/uploads/wpforo/attachments/31501/642-TheCactusandtheBeastInvestigatingt.pdf

 


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I remember when the thesis was uploaded to Lashtal although I have yet to read it through.  I have on occasion wondered whether mescaline had anything to do with with the creation of the Book of the Law, especially in light of Liber VII VII 1,

"By the burning of the incense was the Word revealed, and by the distant drug"


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Posted by: @ignant666

i believe served peyote tea at the Rites of Elusis.

The Legends confirm this, but put a slight dent in the term "tea." A bucket (no less) of "tea," which had floating peyote buttons in it stood in the corner, and patrons of the rites were invited to scoop up this smelly goop and drink it.

The Legends do not indicate if all, some, one, or none of the audience so imbibed. Neither do the Legends tell us how many patrons attended (or do they?) over the course of the series of rites, nor do they tell us whether the actors/players/officers got into the bucket. There are so many loose ends here that RTC will have no problems showing is never happened.

Too bad for any detractors that there is "proof"

I don't see a bucket in this pic, but I wonder who the dead guy is on the floor?

 

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These are maybe the few and secret?

I have known many people who took the experiment of strange meds. A few (very few) continued on The Path. Most of them took a trip or two, then returned to either Sodom or Gomorrah. 

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No Horus Toy needed.

HERETIC ALERT!  Warning. This Infidel is attempting to bypass The Horus ToyTM

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I attended the CONCLUSION part of the link posted by this heretic. It says ...

"On the other hand, we have the version of events suggested by diary entries, patterns of ceremonial drug use and patterns of sex magick, as well as the puns, codes, blinds, veils, and inter-textual allusions that Crowley deliberately scattered throughout his works."

This quote, and the general context of the CONCLUSION, cause one of my own heretical ideas to be fanned up (again). It is my belief (no "proof" available) that Liber AL and Liber 418 (et al) were obtained via strange meds. That's all.

"I propose that a similar re-evaluation is required with regard to the use of peyote and hashish in the magical ceremonies that Crowley conducted during the first decade of the twentieth century."

I second this notion.

 


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And I forgot to say, since we are reflecting on AC being Don Juan in Mexico Happy Cinco de Mayo!


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I too recall reading this when it was first uploaded. Thanx for the reminder it exists, well worth a re-read or read. Very nice work, as a former supervisor of Masters students.

This is a pretty revelatory sentence fragment (p. 52):

"31" was Crowley's private magical code for peyote [in 1911].


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I remember that.  But I forgot it.


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AC's other code for peyote in his diaries was "AL", for Anhalonium lewinii.

One sees why Achad's revelation was so telling.


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... peyote in his diaries was "AL"

I didn't know that, nor about the 31. One might think I should have known that, but who cares?

Yes, I would think that cannabis and mescaline (in particular) were obviously catalysts in the roll-out of Thelema. Take a keg of Plymouth Brethren, a Poetic avocation, some G.D. ceremonial work, a "discovery" of cannabis as the long-sought magical elixir of magicians, and top it of with Peyote in 1900 ... why this is the perfect alchemical brew for breaking through to the other side.

Now it would be improper for anyone here to promote the finding, growing, watering, harvesting, curing, sale, possession, or use of these two catalysts, plus the mushrooms and DMT bushes, because (in general) they are illegal in the USA and the UK (USA + UK = 93 = ?). Let me recite the litany: The last things any mundane Establishment wants is for its citizens to be visiting other dimensions. Therefore such catalysts have come to be (in the past 100 years) illegal.

As cited by Ignant, there are multiple, completely legal, loopholes, acts, and exemptions. The Establishment(s) did not grant these get-arounds. They were mostly hacked out by public initiatives, where the people circulated petitions and then voted affirmatively on the matter. Thus, medical marijuana laws came into effect ... followed by recreational-use initiatives.

State governments, saw a fat tax profit in regulating this industry, so then the Est got on the bandwagon. This phenomenon continues to spread fro State to State in the USA ... I dunno nada-neti about conditions in the UK.

To top it all off, Oregon voted to allow those little mushrooms to become legal. Cracks are appearing everywhere in the eggshell wall of restriction on these catalysts.

Four years (or so) after Coruscatio was published, I had to go in and insert a note. The book was partially based on the legal availability of the so-called "research chemicals." The feds finally decided to cut the dance (of legality with illegality) by essentially banning anything and everything. The East Coast Chemical Company, which tested all products and provided pharmaceutical grade catalysts was forced to close.

So, I lost the primo source of pure catalysts and had to inform the readers that they would have to ignore that source and those catalysts.

In AC's early days, all these things were legal. "Cough Tablets" could be bought from a large jar on the pharmacist's counter for 10-cents apiece ... They were composed of heroin. My, my, how times change.


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He got peyote extract from Parke-Davis in Detroit, and i believe served peyote tea at the Rites of Elusis.

 

So he seemed to know where all the shady character dealers where wherever he was.... and the street pimps.  He never mentions the pimps or dealers in his Confessions etc. 

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Parke-Davis Pharmaceuticals is a very reputable sort of business. Not exactly "shady character dealers".

Drugs weren't even a little bit illegal until fairly late in AC's life, you know.

Anyone would walk into any pharmacy in the US , the UK, or anywhere else, and ask for a pound of hashish, a pound of cocaine, and a half pound of heroin, and the only question asked would be "How would you like that wrapped, sir (or madam)?"

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street pimps

Recall that prostitution was legal in most of Europe throughout AC's life. Also, one typically does not have contact with a working girl's pimp as a "john". You pay her, she pays the pimp.


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Roughly speaking, MDMA does a fair simulacrum of "the Peace that Passeth Understanding," while LSD (probably other hallucinogens like shrooms too, but LSD is the heavy metal guitar to the organic stuff's acoustic guitar  🙂 ) can do a fair simulacrum of ego death+oneness with the universe, under the right circumstances.  

...............................

So that can just be a normal fun "trip" where wild stuff happens (for example, seeing everything pixellated like Doom, having a serious conversation with a wizard with a staff, and teleporting outside Glastonbury at one point - both of these actually happened to me 🙂 ).  That's just entertainment.  But you can get into wondering who you are/what the hell's really going on with this world we find ourselves adventuring in, and that can go bad (classic bad trip depersonalization) or it can go good (Satori simulacrum - MDMA helps it go good).

 

How would you word all of those drug experiences in the language of the Caballah in terms of the ten parts of the soul and the four worlds?  That's a question for everyone also.

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, and the only question asked would be "How would you like that wrapped, sir (or madam)?"

Ah yes a lot of Victorian-era gents were coked out of their minds including Freud. 

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Thelema. Take a keg of Plymouth Brethren, a Poetic avocation, some G.D. ceremonial work, a "discovery" of cannabis as the long-sought magical elixir of magicians, and top it of with Peyote in 1900 ... why this is the perfect alchemical brew for breaking through to the other side.

The theme of the OP is how to worship the God HADIT, was Crowley using these drugs for recreational purposes or did he bless HADIT before he snorted, chewed of injected these chemicals I wonder?  

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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[W]as Crowley using these drugs for recreational purposes or did he bless HADIT before he snorted, chewed of injected these chemicals I wonder?  

Yes, definitely.


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[W]as Crowley using these drugs for recreational purposes or did he bless HADIT before he snorted, chewed of injected these chemicals I wonder?  

Yes, definitely.

Exactly we don't know. 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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I think you missed the point of my answer; some things are not either/or.

Note also that the verse you started on makes no mention of needing to bless any "gods" before using "strange drugs", it just says to "take" Them.


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Posted by: @ignant666

ask for a pound of hashish

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prostitution was legal in most of Europe

My, my, it's that changing reality thing again.

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That's a question for everyone also.

Why would gg, or anyone else, need/want to play the 10/22 game - now playing on several threads? Everyone must build their own QBL.

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Exactly we don't know. 

But we don't care what AC did. We only know what we should do if we find ourselves in the same circumstances.

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no mention of needing to bless any "gods" before using "strange drugs"

This is correct. One is supposed to learn the technique of "zeroing out" back in the early practices. So then, a puff, hit, or taste merely catalyzes the developed ability.

What? Some people take these substances first? Then they reuse them for subsequent adventures? Without saying, "Wait - maybe I can do this by myself?"

 

 

 


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What? Some people take these substances first? Then they reuse them for subsequent adventures? Without saying, "Wait - maybe I can do this by myself?"

Yes, they're called Chaos Magicians. 😉 

 

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Note also that the verse you started on makes no mention of needing to bless any "gods" before using "strange drugs", it just says to "take" Them.

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Yes, they're called Chaos Magicians.

Wait (again)! I now see that I have had a funny feeling about this Chaos Magic, and it is coming clearer why and what. Everything I hear here (see in this place) about "Chaos Magic" (a proper noun), differs from the concept I had pre-inscribed on my mental parchment. I am perplexed and will probably go crazy(ier)

 


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Posted by: @ignant666

ask for a pound of hashish

 

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[W]as Crowley using these drugs for recreational purposes or did he bless HADIT before he snorted, chewed of injected these chemicals I wonder?  

Yes, definitely.

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(Are there spoiler tags?  The following really should be in spoiler tags.)

Roughly speaking, MDMA does a fair simulacrum of "the Peace that Passeth Understanding," while LSD (probably other hallucinogens like shrooms too, but LSD is the heavy metal guitar to the organic stuff's acoustic guitar  🙂 ) can do a fair simulacrum of ego death+oneness with the universe, under the right circumstances.  

So basically regarding 2:22 AL worship HADIT via strange drugs and wine that would make Alchoholics Anonymous 12 Steps to God and the like  Black Lodge organizations i..e anti New Aeon.   Add the Prohibitionists to that but they died off in the States and note that under Prohibition, the puritanical Protestants who were behind that madness legally allowed wine consumption but only for Christian ritualistic masses.     

 

Note how when Satanic 'rock stars' stop fornicating' and attend rehab to 'get sober' they usually all announce that they have become Born Again Christians. 

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Add the Prohibitionists to that but they died off in the States

One more time: Prohibition never ended in much of the South, and parts of the west. 18,000,000 Americans (6% of the US population) live in places where alcohol is illegal:

https://www.alcoholproblemsandsolutions.org/dry-counties/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_county

I learned last year that someone i knew, a trainhopping alcoholic crust-punk, died of alcohol withdrawal when he got stuck in a dry county. Booze was inevitably going to kill him one way or another, but the irony of Prohibition killing him is considerable.


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Wait (again)! I now see that I have had a funny feeling about this Chaos Magic, and it is coming clearer why and what. Everything I hear here (see in this place) about "Chaos Magic" (a proper noun), differs from the concept I had pre-inscribed on my mental parchment. I am perplexed and will probably go crazy(ier)

 

I was making a cynical half joke.  

Chaos magick itself simply focuses on pure magickal technique, allowing the paradigm to be up to the individual. There are a few things unique to Chaos Magick, like the Ouranian Barbaric language, but mostly it's just approaching magick from a function over form perspective, with an emphasis on practical results.  

But chaos magick has an extremely open policy regarding use of drugs in magick that seems to have taken over to the point where a lot of people seem to think that dosing themselves and then typing up what they see can be an entire practice, and some who seem to just equate drug use with magick. A lot of people, chaos magicians and otherwise, seem to be ignorant of about every other idea regarding chaos magick outside of this. I once saw a self-proclaimed chaos magician refer to Liber Null as "some old book about chaos magic",which would be like calling Book 4 "some old book about Thelema". 


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I learned last year that someone i knew, a trainhopping alcoholic crust-punk, died of alcohol withdrawal when he got stuck in a dry county. Booze was inevitably going to kill him one way or another, but the irony of Prohibition killing him is considerable.

My condolences for your friend.  Many go that way, alcohol gets the blame by the Protestant dry preachers and in 2:22 AL it is said be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. 

 

 This is in contrast to e.g. Romans 13:13-14 We should live in a right way, like people who belong to the day. We should not have wild parties or be drunk. We should not be involved in sexual sin or any kind of immoral behaviour. We should not cause arguments and trouble or be jealous. But be like the Lord Jesus Christ, so that when people see what you do, they will see Christ. Don’t think about how to satisfy the desires of your sinful self.

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I was making a cynical half joke.  

A cynical half joke that triggered my perception that there are two Chaos Magics - one is true, the other is where the acolytes stick the straws in their hair and think they are cool. Then they write books.

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some who seem to just equate drug use with magick

I see. You were actually making a serious half truth. Now I don't know whether to laugh or cry, so I'll just move on without getting caught up in the drama.

 


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david: This is the forum of the ACS, a site devoted to the life and legacy of Aliester Crowley.

As such, it is preferred that all Bible quotes be from the one and only version AC ever used or quoted, the King James Version, not some modern or "improved" translation. So i think you meant to say

Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.


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david: This is the forum of the ACS, a site devoted to the life and legacy of Aliester Crowley.

As such, it is preferred that all Bible quotes be from the one and only version AC ever used or quoted, the King James Version, not some modern or "improved" translation. So i think you meant to say

Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Ah I see, leave the changing of the letters of Holy Books to the Heathens,  yeah I can dig that.

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A cynical half joke that triggered my perception that there are two Chaos Magics - one is true, the other is where the acolytes stick the straws in their hair and think they are cool. Then they write books.

 

Basically.  There's the people who follow the old school Chaos Magicians, Carroll, Hine, Lee,Channing, Hawkins, etc, who approach it as originally intended.

 

And the ones who read something on the internet once and decided that magick that approves of drug use is great.  And now we have the "meme magic" people who, while the theory itself might be sound, seem to think that posting funny pictures online, probably while high, is magick too.  

 

 


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Posted by: @katrice

posting funny pictures online, probably while high, is magick too.  

Well, with every act being a magickal act, they are correct.

But then there's a difference (hither homeward), and I think it might have to do with that old clichay, D-Doing the Work.


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Posted by: @shiva 

Well, with every act being a magickal act, they are correct.

But then there's a difference (hither homeward), and I think it might have to do with that old clichay, D-Doing the Work.

True, but if dosing yourself and posting memes was inherently magickal 4chan would have taken over the universe by now. 


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Posted by: @katrice

inherently magickal ... would have taken over the universe by now. 

Nothing can take over the Uni (now Ending soon) unless ir is "big time." Memes posted by p-brains on strange drugs is very subjective ("It's all about me"), and their radiation is limited. It might be powerful enough to affect the neighbor's dog (or cat, bird, liz), and other p-brains on a similar frequency, but these folks will not be starting any new Aeons, eras, or ages.

Every Act is a Magickal Act is a subjective training tool. There are different levels of Magickal Acts. The "different levels" can be correlated with the usual roll-out of the Sephiroth, the Planes, or the Aethyrs. It is my professional opinion that this differentiation has not been properly described in the holy or unholy tests, or even The Scriptures. 

Fo' Example: "Magickal" Acts generated from Yesod or Hod will bounce around like pool balls, rebounding off one's personal ionosphere (called Paroketh), one's base reflector (the Earth), and this may (probably will) cause the candidate's ego or Id to perform bizarre acts (mainly to attract attention to one's brilliant being).

These folks are The Lost Ones. They may (tentative tense) get a flash of light or lightning that will cause them to look beyond the Veil, in which case they may be "found." But none of this has any bearing on our vectors, unless one of the "found" comes knocking on our door. Otherwise, they are akin to the inmates in that creepy asylum down the road.

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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

So basically regarding 2:22 AL worship HADIT via strange drugs and wine

"To worship me" is a bit of an in-joke, because elsewhere you're told not to worship.  In fact you are the worshipper, it's Nuit (big God) that's the object of adoration.  Das Ewig-Weibliche Zieht uns hinan and all that.


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Posted by: @gurugeorge
Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

So basically regarding 2:22 AL worship HADIT via strange drugs and wine

"To worship me" is a bit of an in-joke, because elsewhere you're told not to worship.  In fact you are the worshipper, it's Nuit (big God) that's the object of adoration.  Das Ewig-Weibliche Zieht uns hinan and all that.

Both Nuit and Ra-Hoor-Khuit are respectively objects of worship. Nuit in the transcendent sense and Ra-Hoor-Khuit in the "in-time/space" sense. Hadit is the divine spark, God within us, so it makes no sense to worship Hadit. Nuit on the other hand is God-beyond-God, whereas Ra-Hoor-Khuit is the Lord of the Aeon, and therefore that which we invoke and worship in his active manifestation in the world around us.

 

Oddly enough Liber Legis (as well as the Vision & the Voice) does also mention of worship of Master Therion, but how we're to take that is a different kind of question to the above Godforms. 

"There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was." - Liber Legis 2:58
"To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss." - Liber Legis 3:62


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The name Anhalonium lewinii has always fascinated me, as its pronunciation in itself would produce a laughing gas of sorts....for that matter Lophophore williamsii sort of does the same trick  (thanks for pointing that out @ignant666)

And the letters presented... prior to Qabalistic numbers nesting.... well:  Lo~ Will~

@ptoner thanks for the link, Patrick Everitt's Thesis is astonishingly good...and important! 


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Teetotal people are Black Lodge? No?  Why not? 

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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Posted by: @david-dom-lemieux

Teetotal people are Black Lodge? No?

"Teetotal" as in non-alcoholic? Yes, I am guilty. I do not think I am a member of The Black Lodge, but who knows for sure? 

 


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My ex-wife is a member of the other AA, has not had a drink in around 25 years, and is definitely not "Black Lodge".

It's the ones who want to force others not to drink that you want to watch out for.


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Posted by: @ignant666

It's the ones who want to force others not to drink that you want to watch out for.

I would agree. I've certainly run into those who feel "Libertinism" is requisite for Paths dubbed "Thelemic" and otherwise. I've known folks in such circles who regard marriage or monogamy as bondage. I believe Crowley regarded Kenneth Grant as having succumbed to such chains. The Book of the Law would seem to tend in this direction-but the bottom line of its message is that DWTW will manifest in tremendous diversity. Crowley's message proclaims a path of liberty for those constrained by convention but it also makes allowance for every genuine expression of one's Nature. To impose MY summum bonum upon another for whom it is truly anathema isn't spearheading liberation but imposing a state of bondage. And the same is certainly true for the wine and strange drugs.

Recently, on the forums here, there was a quote from Motta, I believe, about naming enemies and killing beetles-which was ultimately taken to point toward the "Enemy Within" as opposed to crushing hapless insects after christening them as temporal foes. In this "Pestilent Spirit," how do folks read a deeper meaning into this verse from AL ("take strange drugs")? 

Killing Joke alludes to this passage in their song "Exorcism" where the "Wines that flow" and bubble to the surface evoke the repressed pain and anger within the psyche in need of banishing.    


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Posted by: @ignant666

the ones who want to force others not to

I never got to the other  AA. I could say that I read the first book on their Student Reading List and immediately new this poison was not for me. However, I indulged socially at a modest levels for a few years. Drinking with Nishiyama was fun, and it was the last time (1963). 

Oh, wait, wasn't '63 the year that my new girlfriend pulled out a bag of vegetable matter from her purse?

 


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I would agree. I've certainly run into those who feel "Libertinism" is requisite for Paths dubbed "Thelemic" and otherwise. I've known folks in such circles who regard marriage or monogamy as bondage. .

....he Book of the Law would seem to tend in this direction-but the bottom line of its message is that DWTW will manifest in diversity .....

 

To impose MY summum bonum upon another for whom it is truly anathema isn't spearheading liberation but imposing a state of bondage. And the same is certainly true for the wine and strange drugs.

Recently, on the forums here, there was a quote from Motta, I believe, about naming enemies and killing beetles-which was ultimately taken to point toward the "Enemy Within" as opposed to 

Maybe take it up with HADIT who hath stated how HE is to be worshipped.  

By the way Crowley did crush the beetles in Boleskine as prophesied and there is nothing in Liber Al that encourages fornication or extra marital sex unless it is the person's Will even if Crowley thought that Grant was a bourgeois square head for setting down like the Reagans.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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