"Bullshit" is your subjective opinion. I, on the other hand, having no need of a guru, can figure it out myself. Wisdom will expose itself organically.
Indeed it will. Wisdom and Compassion can both be discovered without a formal guru or master, however you will still need and require support, for you have an adventurous road ahead!
GPT4 can indeed make that journey better informed.
Best to you.
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
@sangewanchuck56 Thanks. I started this journey in 1978, (I was in my mid-twenties) and am still l am still discovering new things.
Is it almost exactly like because it is a continuation? In TB, the three stages are the sutra stage, tantra stage, and completion stage (dzogchen).
I am uncertain of the term continuation. Frankly, if one simply substitutes The Vision of Adonai for the part where the teacher induces the student into the Void, I see no difference.
Nine vehicles of Bon. 9 grades in A.'.'.A.'..
3 grades in Tibet. 3 grades in AL.
After assessing the so-called Dzogchen curriculum, I have determined that anybody can have that first glimpse, whether spontaneous, the result of meditation, or a transmission from a Master, at any time.
One realizes that they cannot make this recur without gaining more personal control. So they begin practices. The practices come in many forms, according to the culture, such as ...
1. A Tibetan Master hands you a scroll with a "to do" list.
2. An Occidental lady hand you a copy of One Star in Sight, accompanied by Liber XIII.
These are the two primary examples illustrating the high-water mark of East 'n' West as they attempt to reproduce the requirements of the invisible spectrum of consciousness. There are certainly (many) others.
the letter A represents "emptiness",
The Roman letter A represents The Fool, whose brain is empty (because he finished the Work).
Sorry to ruin it for you!
Huh? I am looking for ruination, but there is none due to the pervading emptiness.
"but any perceived connection between Vajrayama and Thelema would be subjective and individual..."
Well, as an individual, who holds the highest grade in Thelema (knowing full well that The Hermit is not the Vehicle), and somehow find myself the lineage-holder with the highest grade in a Bon tendril, my subjective opinion is that there is no difference .. which, of course, is ridiculous as on the surface, they are as different as East and West.
Since neith AI, nor I without the A, and nobody else too, has found an overt connection, then we may poo-poo the idea of any relationship, so as to confuse the profane.
Yes, the connection (it is only a reflection, not a nut-and-bolt union) is "occult" (hidden) and "transcendent" (higher than) to what is available online and in texts. The Outer Orders of the two components (the yin and yang streams of The White Brotherhood) are different in many ways, but they both lead to common control over the unruly vehicle.
It is in the Inner Order, the second grade in either system, that the no difference becomes apparent.
ll this wisdom is available on the Borg. Gurus need not apply.
If anything is not available on or from the Borg, it is widom, which is found a Chokmah and vastly overexpands the knowledge that is freely dispensed by robots.
The distinction between these two words is the sword that divides getting out from gotten out.
so no wisdom is really there at all
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I, on the other hand, having no need of a guru
Judging from your posts, opinions, and level of work completed, you may wish to reassess this opinion of yourself.
Wisdom will expose itself organically.
Over 10,000 lifetimes. The Path only requires one.
I started this journey in 1978
He fails to state that his journey is academic and intellectual, consisting of book-reading and linear thinking. By his own confession, The Work is a Drag (a direct quote). I will say no more (now, maybe never, probably not).
Toad, the Path is defined by the work one does, not by what one reads. Reading is but the first and earliest taks on the path. Here in the Wild West, the Reading List precedes the earliest grade of 0=0. Yet you come here with ideas of great knowledge and lock horns with people who have done the work for 30 years, or more, and gnow (not sic) by direct experience what is which and where ... this provides great entertainment and insight into self-possession for many readers who do not post here.
We do wish you well in your endeavors. Only 9,999 more incarnations of organic wisdom to bloom.
He fails to state that his journey is academic and intellectual, consisting of book-reading and linear thinking. By his own confession, The Work is a Drag (a direct quote). I will say no more (now, maybe never, probably not).
Book-reading and linear thinking work for me. Also, no one goes through life just reading books. I have met some interesting people and have travelled to some amazing places. Did it help my "spiritual growth" maybe, if I was in the mood for it.
We do wish you well in your endeavors. Only 9,999 more incarnations of organic wisdom to bloom.
If you got the time, I've got the beer.
I am uncertain of the term continuation. Frankly, if one simply substitutes The Vision of Adonai for the part where the teacher induces the student into the Void, I see no difference.
Nine vehicles of Bon. 9 grades in A.'.'.A.'..
3 grades in Tibet. 3 grades in AL.
After assessing the so-called Dzogchen curriculum, I have determined that anybody can have that first glimpse, whether spontaneous, the result of meditation, or a transmission from a Master, at any time.
Dzogchen is the completion stage, while it seems reasonable that it could be attained with potential ease or grace, attained for what purpose?
Vajrayana is a form of magic designed to transmute the world, initiate a golden age, obtain a rainbow body, and direct/design one's own re-birth, and this magic is designed in the tantra stages, and studied in the sutra stages, so the final stage of dzogchen is simply completing the magic one started when they began.
How powerful is the magic current when an entire nation, estimated to be around 3 million per generation, have focused on this event for one thousand years?
Since 1959 under decree of the Dalai Lama, the entire esoteric system is open, no longer hidden, and even explained at an academic level. It requires eight years of rigorous study along with a lifetime of practice. It seems that if one wants to understand the practice of the "occult", alchemy and magic, that going to the original source material, which is now completely open and without lineage disputes, seems like an easier path than taking it up via Theosophy or a Western Order, no?
The Roman letter A represents The Fool, whose brain is empty (because he finished the Work).
It could be that the fool has completed the work, or it could be that the fool has yet to begin the work? Either way we see the pattern, a one thousand year old + tradition continuing in the 21st Century in the West.
I can't find the quotes at the moment, but both Alice Bailey, Israel Regardie have stated that their operating assumptions were that the "great work" needed to be published into the world by the "secret chiefs" in case of a calamity in the world where all would be lost, Regardie even suggesting Crowley too carried this weight on his shoulders. But a global calamity never came, and the internet has made concerns about that moot even if it were to occur.
However, following the path that the west inherited a long running tradition from Tibet through some sort of "occult" connection, it would make since that Tibet had very good reason to fear their demise in the Great Game, and the world's true treasure house of knowledge of the great civilization building art could have perished along with them, so not surprising that their progenies would inherit that stress, but not understand the actual historical context for it, and projected it into the future.
Huh? I am looking for ruination, but there is none due to the pervading emptiness.
It is not possible to ruin something that does not exist.
Since neith AI, nor I without the A, and nobody else too, has found an overt connection, then we may poo-poo the idea of any relationship, so as to confuse the profane.
Is that the "we" in the "West" again? It seems the best way to confuse the profane is to simply attempt an explanation of Thelema at face value.
I think the connection between them in 2023 is not relevant, because Tibet's entire treasure was released to the world in 1959, and their last act is just about to begin with the dawn of the Golden Age (ahead of schedule and under budget), while Thelema as a lineage bearing institution does not really exist that much any more, it has already somewhat crumbled as a potential institution, which I do not say out of any spite or malice by any means, i have great respect for it as it put me on the "path" at a younger age, bringing me where I am now.
"Crowleyanity" however is more popular than ever! I think that if anything the Bon and Buddhist system of the Himalaya redeems Thelema and redeems Crowley, but comparing a barely century old movement with a movement with one thousand years behind it which is gaining steam now more than ever is like MC Hammer going to Warren Buffet and saying "let's put all the money together".
In this condition, the "secret chiefs" of the third order are the "lords of the earth" which are in Avalokiteshvara, Manjushri, and Vajrapani, and any Thelemites who would achieve the third order would be indistinguishable from Vajrayana or BonPo.
Over 10,000 lifetimes. The Path only requires one.
This mirrors what is said in the east, ff the attainment is becoming a "buddha", defined as a fully awakened being that is undifferentiated from every single molecule and atom in the universe. This is understood in Vajrayana to be the "true will" of every sentient being, and if in this lifetime one does no work whatsoever, they are still destined to eventually become a Buddha over the course of billions of aeons. TB and BP do claim that it can be achieved in a single lifetime under guided practice with a guru.
Thelema has no re-birth tradition that I am aware of, and no vows or oaths which would carry the work over in the next incarnation which to me says its more of a pit stop than a final destination.
Book-reading and linear thinking work for me. Also, no one goes through life just reading books. I have met some interesting people and have travelled to some amazing places. Did it help my "spiritual growth" maybe, if I was in the mood for it.
"Book reading" is a valid form of spiritual work, and one's spiritual work can flow between reading and study (suttra), active practice in imagination and mantra, and completion in meditation.
Having "friends" and community is a big piece of the work! No one can do it alone, no one can do anything alone. I am not recommending gurus. I think if one were to take a guru, it is because they want a guru, not they need one. Either way, you will need friends! You will need community! You will need to do the best you can.
Mixing "linear and non-linear" thinking is just expanding your own brain and mind, why choose one over the other?
But that's not what really propels one forward. What propels one forward it the Sincere Intention to being in a state of loving kindness and compassion which expresses itself in true service of others (Bodhichitta in the east). That more than anything is the real grand slam breakfast of kings, and without it, progress can even go in reverse. For what purpose attain occult powers? For what purpose study? For what purpose travel the world? What separates the adept from all else is the intention to do these things for the sake of others, not the self. That is the only true secret sauce.
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
Dzogchen is the completion stage, while it seems reasonable that it could be attained with potential ease or grace, attained for what purpose?
Why, to get out. When one does get out, they find themselves as the primordial consciousness - before anything. We all started out there, and The Path ultimately leads there.
Now if someone has never been all the way out, but somehow catches a glimpse of this state, and it registers in their memory-mind, they will want to regain it. Everybody wants to go home.
For the practitioner who engages this state in a "touch and go" manner, it provides a refreshing relief from the strain of ever-present duality. This alone is worthy of being a purpose, for without it the sensitive soul will get all stressed and wound up, usually in themselves, and end up like Mudd or Napoleon.
As to the advanced practitioner who is permanently blown out, I find it interesting that they can still still be walking around while radiating a rainbow aura, the rainbow body usually being a death-phenomenon. But since I have seen it first hand, I know all about it - from an external viewpoint.
I should not be confused with anyone who has "attained" the rainbow stage or who has been blown-out permanently. For that description, anyone can pick up (look up) any U.G. book (free online) and he will tell you about the post-Kether realm.
Is that the "we" in the "West" again?
"We" is me and anybody who agrees with me. This, of course, may vary from subject to subject. I have known Oriental persons agree with me on some things, so it's not inclusively Western.
It seems the best way to confuse the profane is to simply attempt an explanation of Thelema at face value.
Yes, that would work. But I meant "confuse the profane" as a witticism, for the profane are already confused, so I/we/anybody need not go out of our way.
Thelema as a lineage bearing institution does not really exist that much any more, it has already somewhat crumbled as a potential institution
The fact that I know of five lineages that are active and not part of The Black Lodge, with active participants at the three grade levels, indicates (to me) that the A.'.A.'. is fulfilling the Let my servants be few and secret thing.
Those who wish to promote Thelema, get more members, even to the point of enticing gov officials so that Thelema can creep into the Establishment as recommended by Baphomet himself, is contrary to the basic trend of AL that says Give them a copy of the book, let them decide.
So there is this basic duality, and it can slow things down, or break things.
which I do not say out of any spite or malice by any means
Nobody here will accuse you of that. We have long discussions about the legal administration of the Thelemic legacy. Not many, if any, are interested in the promulgation of the Law, except in our lives. The Thelemic Path, which is not much different from the Golden Dawn, and even implied in Masonry, originated as a narrow ladder where you only (officially) knew the person whose coattail you were holding, plus any students pulling on your tail, and if their was more than one tailer, they should not work together.
That's pretty strict. But it's very efficient ... but only if some link in the rungs doesn't lose his or her mind. It was followed by "relaxed rules" where groups got together (if one had a group). All this was set aside, not abandoned fully, in favor of the Ordo, the dues, the promulgation, under an absolute dictatorship, which is proper in the East, but hey, this is the West. We (westerners) do not bow down lightly to dictatorship in any form.
So we have some "post-Thelemic" folk here (a term coined by Ignant), but we persevere as this is the best game in town.
I have made it clear, several times, that there is a tendency for mature Thelemites to gravitate toward Tibet.
Thelema has no re-birth tradition that I am aware of, and no vows or oaths which would carry the work over in the next incarnation which to me says its more of a pit stop than a final destination.
Thelema is based on Will, which is Chokmah. It makes allowances for one additional grade, which is generally defined, and sometimes hited at, by Crowley refused to discuss it further and he shouded the Ip in secrecy. There is still room to get completely out after one has "found their Will, and done it.
AC mentions that members of the A.'.A.'. are sworn to reincarnate immediately in order to continue their work. But you are correct. This is just a saying - it does not appear in any Oaths or Instructions.
There are also those who do not accept rebirth, perhaps because they do not understand it properly, maybe because they've been programmed by the Church at an early age, and you don't get a second or third chance, or it could be that they are correct and all phenomena plus future anything stops cold dead when we die, the entire universe being electrical activity in a living brain.
service of others ... without it, progress can even go in reverse.
Right.
For what purpose attain occult powers?
The only legitimate use of these, in white magic, is for fuel in the upward ascent.
For what purpose study? For what purpose travel the world?
The same. This, of course, (the upward ascent) is the first grade. The second grade epitomizes your answers.
So we have some "post-Thelemic" folk here (a term coined by Ignant), but we persevere as this is the best game in town.
I concur! 😍
I have made it clear, several times, that there is a tendency for mature Thelemites to gravitate toward Tibet.
Like you said, everyone wants to go home.
But what if?
Tertön (Tibetan: གཏེར་སྟོན་, Wylie: gter ston)[1] is a term within Tibetan Buddhism meaning a person who is a discoverer of ancient hidden texts or terma. Many tertöns are considered to be incarnations of the twenty five main disciples of Padmasambhava (Guru Rinpoche), who foresaw a dark time in Tibet. He and his consort Yeshe Tsogyal hid teachings to be found in the future to benefit beings.[2] A vast system of transmission lineages developed. Scriptures from the Nyingma school were updated by terma discoveries, and terma teachings have guided many Tibetan Bon and Buddhist practitioners.
The termas are sometimes objects like statues [stele of revealing], and can also exist as dharma texts and experiences. Tertöns discover the texts at the right time and place. The teachings can be relatively simple transmissions as well as entire meditation systems. Termas are found in rocks, water and the minds of incarnations of Guru Rinpoche's students
Could it be that Liber al vel Legis is a terma that was designed to trigger magical memory in re-birthed tertons in the West, for the purpose of "going back home"?
Perhaps the book is there not just for the discovery of new adepts, but for the purposes of much older adepts whom have been on the journey for lifetimes, and need to remember where they left off?
Few and secret, indeed.
We will explore this on the next season of GPT4 Theater: The Buddha and the Beast.
ps: good to see you again ol pal 🙂
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
Like you said, everyone wants to go home.
But what if?
It is often described as the place where one lives (habitates, etc). But in this esoteric context, to be understood only by Thelemic initiates and Tibetan Adi-Yoga Masters, plus a handful of cannobs, "Home" is where one came from ... originally. The source realm is above and beyond Eden, Paradise, Heaven, Devachan, and those supposed resting places with grapes.
For the initiate, the first plateu or resting place on The Path is at the Binah Hotel, known as the buddhic plane in the Trans-Himalayan tradition. But it can only be considered "Home" in the sense that one can get out of the lower mess ... but Binah is still part of a yin-yang duality, so we must move onward and inward ...
Everybody came from the same home of absolute equilibrium, which on a balancing scale registers zero. That home.
I happened to generate some text based on tonights blood moon that is a good example of how pozzed and black brotherhood it is at the same time:
Tell me about blood moom as bad omen
ChatGPT
The belief that blood moons are a bad omen is rooted in various cultural and historical superstitions rather than hermetic interpretation. Throughout history, many cultures have attached different meanings to lunar eclipses, often associating them with negative or foreboding events. Here are a few examples:
Cultural Beliefs: In some cultures, a blood moon was considered a harbinger of disaster, war, or upheaval. The reddish hue of the moon during a lunar eclipse was seen as a sign of impending danger or calamity.
Astrological Significance: In astrology, lunar eclipses are believed to have powerful energetic influences that can bring about significant shifts or challenges. Some astrologers may interpret a blood moon as a time of heightened emotional intensity, endings, or transformation.
Historical Events: Throughout history, certain significant events have occurred during lunar eclipses, leading to the association of blood moons with negative outcomes. These events may have reinforced the belief that lunar eclipses are inauspicious or bring about unfortunate circumstances.
However, it's important to note that these beliefs are based on superstition and cultural interpretations rather than scientific evidence. From a scientific standpoint, a blood moon or lunar eclipse is a natural phenomenon caused by the Earth casting its shadow on the Moon, resulting in the reddish color due to atmospheric scattering.
It's always important to approach such beliefs with a critical mindset, considering the cultural and historical context in which they originated. While some people may still hold these superstitions, it's essential to balance them with scientific understanding and personal discernment.
Tell me which groups believed this
ChatGPT
The belief that blood moons are a bad omen has been found in various cultures and historical periods. Here are a few examples of groups that have held such beliefs:
Ancient Civilizations: In ancient civilizations such as Mesopotamia and Egypt, lunar eclipses were often seen as negative omens or warnings from the gods. These cultures associated eclipses with potential disasters, conflicts, or the displeasure of deities.
Medieval Europe: During the Middle Ages, lunar eclipses were sometimes interpreted as signs of impending doom, divine punishment, or the manifestation of evil forces. The red color of the moon during an eclipse was believed to signify blood and chaos.
Folklore and Superstition: Throughout various regions and folklore traditions, blood moons have been linked to superstitions and fearful beliefs. These associations can be found in different parts of the world, including Europe, Asia, and Africa, where lunar eclipses were often regarded as negative events connected to wars, plagues, or supernatural entities.
It's important to note that these beliefs were shaped by the cultural and historical contexts in which they arose. While some groups may still hold such beliefs today, it is essential to approach them with critical thinking and an understanding of the scientific explanations behind lunar eclipses.
The specific names of the religions and cults
ChatGPT
There isn't a specific religion or cult that universally believes blood moons are a bad omen. The beliefs and superstitions surrounding blood moons as a bad omen are more widespread across various cultures and historical periods rather than being associated with specific religious or cultic groups.
However, it's worth noting that in certain ancient civilizations, such as those mentioned earlier (Mesopotamia, Egypt, medieval Europe), religious and mythological beliefs were intertwined with societal interpretations of celestial events like lunar eclipses. The beliefs surrounding blood moons were often tied to the cosmology and religious practices of these civilizations, but they were not exclusive to a single religion or cult.
It's important to understand that beliefs and superstitions can vary greatly within a religion or cult and can also be influenced by local traditions and cultural factors. Therefore, while specific religious or cultic groups may have held beliefs about blood moons as a bad omen, it would be challenging to pinpoint exact names or specific groups associated with this belief.
In Prophetes Veritas Venit. Quod ambulas cum Thelema et Agape est semper fidelis pietas.
@christibrany That's what I have been saying all along, Chatgpt is left-wing, woke propaganda. It's utterly useless for any objective fact finding. Trying to apply AI to The Book of the Law is just retarded.
left-wing, woke propaganda.
Can either you, or your fellow Nazi, please identify the alleged "pozzed"*, and/or "woke", political content in the above LLM-generated passage about "blood moom as bad omen"?
Is there some content about the "specific names of the religions and cults" with beliefs about "blood mooms" that has been, in your opinion, suppressed by the alleged "pozzed" training-data of the LLM?
What, in your opinion, is the left-wing view of "blood mooms"?
Can you provide some selected quotes from Marx, Proudhon, Keynes, Joe Biden, or other famous Communists, on the subject of "blood mooms"?
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* BTW, speaking of "pozzed", when one of our more right-wing members has to look up your terminology, is it possible that you have your head rather far down some sort of nut-bar rabbit-hole, and are in danger of being utterly unintelligible to normal folk?
nut-bar rabbit-hole
I am a MetalRabbit in Chinese configuration. The "Metal;" part is western "Air" (element), and as a shovel or sword can be used to dig a [holy] hole. Also, one digs into the Earth (element) to obtain metal(s). This is the kind of thing you learn in Oriental Medical School.
In LAShTAL Posting School, I am unaware of the definition or derivation of ?nut-bar," although it has been used a bit - in reference to persons who are deficient, defective, derilictable, or drunk. The "bar" part refers to a saloon, the legal Tong, something to jump over or wiggle under, or a bar of soap or gold. In what context is nut-bar used, and why is a bar involved ?
In LAShTAL Posting School, I am unaware of the definition or derivation of ?nut-bar," although it has been used a bit - in reference to persons who are deficient, defective, derilictable, or drunk. The "bar" part refers to a saloon, the legal Tong, something to jump over or wiggle under, or a bar of soap or gold. In what context is nut-bar used, and why is a bar involved ?
He means "bar" as in candy bar., you know, a nut- bar, like an Almond Joy, or a Pay Day nut- bar. In Jewish Babylonian Aramaic, "bar" means son. Therefore, I am the son of a candy bar.
Now that we have settled the all-important issue of the possible etymology of "nut-bar", could either of our two Nazi Comrades please now identify the alleged "left-wing, woke propaganda", and/or "pozzed", content of the "blood mooms" post?
I mean, you are both offended enough by this alleged content to post about it. Perhaps others will share your outrage, if you are able to identify those elements, in what looks to me like a rather bland passage devoid of any identifiable political content or tone.
Or were you just both running your mouths, and mindlessly echo-chambering what you are told by your fellow-Nazis that Nazis are supposed to say about this topic (this week), with zero actual original thought involved?
Which sure looks like being the case here.
with zero actual original thought involved?
Well, yes this is the goal: No thought at all. But then one who has attained this state will have nothing to say, type, or publish.
In defense of the neo-Nazis, I have seen on other sites where news articles accuse Chatty-eGyPT of being programmed by liberals and promoting genderism, etc.
Since I do not chat directly with the Borg, like some courageous, voluntary participants in this Great Big Free Clinical Trial, I am unable to verify whether this program is neutral (recommended), Stupid (delete), or has a political sociological Agenda of any Kind (dangerous).
However, your unanswered Request for that old bugaboo, Proof, or in this ccase just some simple examples, is most appropriate, and I wonder why nobody replies with quotes to prove this hairy-sea is true.
Sometimes folks find themselves in The Octagon, and don't realize it, and they say or type funny things, not realizing that the rules of the Eight-Ring and the G.'. Tribunal - even mundane courts - require evidence/proof in relation to statements of imperativability.
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I was just bored and thought it would be fun to pull some chains.
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Sometimes folks find themselves in The Octagon, and don't realize it, and they say or type funny things, not realizing that the rules of the Eight-Ring and the G.'. Tribunal - even mundane courts - require evidence/proof in relation to statements of imperativability.
The "scientific method" makes sense.
OK, the Nazi Parroter Of Support has admitted to "running [his] mouth, and mindlessly echo-chambering", and admits he actually had zero basis for his support of @runelogix ' claims about his "pozzed" "blood moom" post.
Now perhaps our Nazi Gorean Full-Time Investor Comrade will be good enough to take a few moments off from his full-time investing activities, and explain just how his post of a LLM's answers to his questions about "blood mooms" was "pozzed and black brotherhood", when it sounds utterly bland, innocuous, and appears devoid of any even vaguely political content of any kind?
OK, the Nazi Parroter Of Support has admitted to "running [his] mouth, and mindlessly echo-chambering", and admits he actually had zero basis for his support of @runelogix ' claims about his "pozzed" "blood moom" post.
Now perhaps our Nazi Gorean Full-Time Investor Comrade will be good enough to take a few moments off from his full-time investing activities, and explain just how his post of a LLM's answers to his questions about "blood mooms" was "pozzed and black brotherhood", when it sounds utterly bland, innocuous, and appears devoid of any even vaguely political content of any kind?
Are you asking me or runelogix? I couldn't figure out why he posted the blood moon story in the first place. I guess we recently had a blood moon, but I was not interested enough to look. Personally, I think comet myths are far more interesting. No, I don't see anything pozzed about it either.
I guess the most astounding accomplishment of AI in this case is the non-chalant and non-condescending silent correction of "moom" to "moon". All else is the usual gibberish of modern occulture.
@runelogix If you are still on a moon kick, ask Chat/GPT to interpret the song "Bad Moon Rising" by CCR.
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How much longer do we have to put up with @hadgigegenraum 's endless, irrelevant, deeply offensive, and utterly off-topic posts lauding Russia's ongoing attempts at genocide in Ukraine?
His most recent post, like many of his pro-genocide posts, violates almost every single one of the site's guidelines:
- It is not remotely "friendly and respectful"- rather it is hateful and pro-genocide;
- It is, as usual, not even tenuously related to the topic; including the words "AI programs" in a post expressing hatred toward sexual minorities, and making pro-genocide arguments, does not make the post relevant to the topic;
- The post is nothing but "hostile and insulting";
- The purpose of the post is to "ridicul[e] sexuality, gender, religion, race, nationality, [and] political values" and to justify Russia's ongoing genocide in Ukraine;
- Like so many of HG's posts, it includes nothing but "false or misleading information";
- Like a very great many of HG's posts here, it consists solely of "disruptive activity such as persistent off-topic postings on the Forums [and], or statements that might incite other users to violate these guidelines";
- It consists solely of "harassing, defamatory, abusive, threatening, harmful, homophobic, racially offensive or otherwise objectionable items";
- Genocide, which this post advocates, is "unlawful in [both] the UK or USA", and under many international treaties; so posts which "promote or appear to promote" genocide are against the guidelines.
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My conscience is clear; my posts here, unlike yours, are about the life and legacy of AC, not pathological worship of Russian genocide, or pathological hatred for trans persons (like, for example, AC's first love Politt/de Rougy).
Also, of course, and again, unlike you, i pay attention to the site guidelines, rather than flagrantly violating them with virtually every post.
You know perfectly well you've been warned by Paul to stop this stuff, but you seem unable to obey the rules here.
So how does this have to do with AC or the topic?
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@hadgigegenraum : Um, the topic of this thread is LLMs/"AI" and AL.
One of our Nazi* Comrades here posted that the LLM reply to his questions about "blood mooms" was "pozzed and black lodge". Another Nazi* chimed in to agree that this was so (and then admitted he was just mindlessly "pulling chains" (ie trolling, as he often does) in doing so and didn't really agree with Nazi A).
I asked what the alleged political content was, and still haven't gotten an answer. Because there is no political content outside the paranoid mind of one poster.
In making my point in my posts, i did use both mockery and sarcasm. Both the people i am addressing have done so extensively towards me in the past. Which is, of course, fine.
Note that things having nothing to do with alleged political biases of some current LLMs, such as, for example, advocating for more Russian genocide in Ukraine, anti-Semitic screeds, and anti-transgender tirades, are not mentioned.
Hope this helps you to understand the difference between legitimate discussion of a topic, and repeatedly posting gratuitous and offensive political advocacy of mass murder.
Note that i could respond to the Toad's recent comment that "Zelinsky [sic] [...] isn't half the leader that Hitler was" by pointing out that the coward Hitler abjectly killed himself within days of Russia invading his country, while President Zelenskiy is still holding his water 471 days after his country was invaded by Russia. But that would be beneath me, so i won't do that
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*Both of them have self-identified as Nazis, so it is not a violation of the Guidelines to mention their far-right political views when it is relevant to discussion here. And their politics are of course relevant to responding to their claim that the LLM's utterly bland and apolitical discussion of "blood mooms" is "pozzed" lefty propaganda.
How much longer do we have to put up with ...
'til the end of Time ?
Whatever position or opinion that you, or I, or even Los 8=3, hold - will be reflected back by some instrument of the other side of yin-yang.
In this particular case, he mentions Ch 3, which sort of makes him on-topic. But the political narrative summary does seem to be an expansion of off-topic material.
Invariably AI programs will get critique relative to current political mores
I believe this first line of the offending body is meant to justify the ensuing political moral narrative. You then initiate the critique to which you refer as "invariable."
Please discard invariable and imperative and other such mandates that introduce current world political affairs that are unrelated to AC or some reasonable causal link to his life and work.
There are folks here who understand
the concept of the biolabs and the regime
and the Vision that this all is
Putin vs The New World Order
So it's not necessary to reintroduce
the conflict multiple times
Not here
It violates the purpose of the site
Also, of course, and again, unlike you, i pay attention to the site guidelines, rather than flagrantly violating them with virtually every post.
There is either a misunderstanding, or a blatant disregard (not caring a full can of Shinola) about the Guidelines. People think they have a right to free speech. That was yesterday or earlier. When one signs up for membership here, one agrees to follow the Guidelines, which expressly state ...
"Members must not engage in disruptive activity
such as persistent off-topic postings
on the Forums ..."
The word persistent indicates a small latitude to make a casual off-topic remark, but to come back, again and again, as Frater Persistado, with the same off-topic materialo, is what I call an agenda, and now everybody knows what that means.
You know perfectly well you've been warned by Paul to stop this stuff, but you seem unable to obey the rules here.
Tiler! Tyler!
Catch that Skyler!
Don't let him go
another Miler
[Sigh] [License to Depart is granted]
Sorry Shiva, your blindness to the invariable rants of the Nazi hunter [...]
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Note that i could respond to the Toad's recent comment that "Zelinsky [sic] [...] isn't half the leader that Hitler was" by pointing out that the coward Hitler abjectly killed himself within days of Russia invading his country, while President Zelenskiy is still holding his water 471 days after his country was invaded by Russia. But that would be beneath me, so i won't do that
Nothing is beneath you. Zelinsky is a fraud and an international grifter and cry baby.
@ignant666 Until something is hopefully done I can only recommend to become ignore666 and just scroll over this nonsense, even if it is hard not to respond. It's what I have decided to do.
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Sorry Shiva, your blindness to the invariable rants of the Nazi hunter Ignantsixsixsix who happens to support Nazi suicide genocide of the Ukrainian people
Blindness? Hardly. I just layed out the other side in 8 lines. Usually, Ignant only responds to red flags (that usually violate the Guiding Lines) - he does not suddenly appear out of the blue, like you, with a string of off-topic things that might be true.
Please return to the official topic line, or use your license to depart.
@hadgigegenraum Don't let the Shadow Men get you down. Stick to your guns. I enjoy your insights.
The Guiding Lightlines also include ...
"... or statements that might incite other users to violate these guidelines."
Now we get into a hole-digging contest, to see who can be the biggest violator and get away with it.Please return to the original topic, and avoid future references to Show and Tell what's on your mind in regard to the ongoing collapse of civilization.
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@hadgigegenraum Personally, I think all this AI/LLM stuff is a big bore, and I wish someone would come up with a i more interesting thread.
Taunting with the guidelines again eh!...
Well, we don't have anything else to go by, except the free speech rights of each individual ... some of whom do not possess the dharana to stay somwhat on topic, even though they surrendered their free speech when they signed up, here.
You seem to be intent on periodically coming out of a reasonable esoteric mode and spilling over into the threads with external matrixcrap that has nothing to do with AC.
Most perverts tend to cause a ruckus, then when they are called on it (the off-topic crap), they turn to personal attack/defense on the caller. Such as the short quote to which I am responding.
It is interesting how the same people who generally initiate these squabbles (the most common trigger being going off-topic, repeatedly, one one's agenda, which is rarely the agenda of others), would never dare to act as they do, in-person, Okay, you are invited to come to the dojo. We will take up a gopayme for your travel expenses, lodging, and hospital fees.
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The AI topic has gone dead. When that happens, fisticuffs and blasphemy take place. It is a repeating cycle that demonstrates the rise and fall of anything: People, dogs, trees, nations, civilizations, solar systems ... etc.
Our present AI stuff is just the beginning. Windows 11 (wasn't 10 supposed to be "the last?") has announced it will contain AI - for your "convenience" of course. Uh-huh.
This Notice is interesting ...
"Text created by ChatGPT and other Large Language Models is spreading rapidly across the Internet. It's well-written, artificial, frequently inaccurate. If you find a mistake on Spaceweather.com, rest assured it was made by a real human being. This is an AI Free Zone!
Now we know that this AI (which really means Advanced Instrumentation) can be used, in the traditional sense, for good or evil. We also know that the material forces are in charge of the dense physical plane, and that they have a history of first applying any invention to the slaying of one's enemies or the control of one's own citizens, who are unstable at best and capable of rising up and incinerating the Anunnaki, no, the guys who misuse the Tech.
Now we know that this AI (which really means Advanced Instrumentation) can be used, in the traditional sense, for good or evil. We also know that the material forces are in charge of the dense physical plane, and that they have a history of first applying any invention to the slaying of one's enemies or the control of one's own citizens, who are unstable at best and capable of rising up and incinerating the Anunnaki, no, the guys who misuse the Tech.
I'll bet they had the same concerns in 1450 when Gutenberg invented moveable type. Same old shit, different era.
All it takes is an amount of Gold or a way to offer sex, power, or maybe blackmail, and the story is always the same ... the invention is taken over by some bigger fish-entity in the Establishment.
Frater Ignant's views, despite being different from some others, are nonetheless based on unseating a common foe ... the holders of inherited wealth. These are the folks who fund their preferred aspects of The Establishment.
They do this these days though corporations, which are artificial entities, created legally under the law that allows loopholes. A corp allows one to do risky or tricky things, and it anything backfires, the officers and stockholders are not held directly responsible. The corp may lose money or fold, but the brains remain intact and usually non-responsible by the law; (individuals who commit obvious crimes can be held responsible).
So ... I have now decided to declare dissolution on the concept of any corporation.
In Confessions, AC notes that all great fortunes are based on some original criminal activity [paraphrased]. Yeah, somebdy stole something, one way or another. Want an example? The prototype John Rockefeller personally rowed his own boat across the water with the dynamite to blow up a refinery that refused to sell itself to him. Thiis is anecdotal and I wasn't there, and I include it merely as a possible lie (or truth?) that illustrates AC's comment.
Well, as an individual, who holds the highest grade in Thelema (knowing full well that The Hermit is not the Vehicle), and somehow find myself the lineage-holder with the highest grade in a Bon tendril, my subjective opinion is that there is no difference .. which, of course, is ridiculous as on the surface, they are as different as East and West.
For what purpose attain occult powers?
The only legitimate use of these, in white magic, is for fuel in the upward ascent.
Such things tend to arise more often as side effects of practice than as anything sought after.
If anything is not available on or from the Borg, it is wisdom, which is found a Chokmah and vastly overexpands the knowledge that is freely dispensed by robots.
Language can only provide tools to point the way to the mysteries. Any mystery that can be profaned through language is not a true mystery. One does not obtain initiation simply by learning knowledge. Otherwise anyone could become an adept or more.
It's Sam Webster's work, so it's well researched and thought out, and from a respectful viewpoint. It's basically adapting Thelemic practice to the approach of the Six Dharmas of Naropa. I'd recommend it to anyone who's interested in both.
Please return to the official topic line, or use your license to depart.
Indeed, we had some high level interactive community storytelling happening with all the milestones of a great literary adventure, The Great Game, Tibet, Intercontinental Occult forces, sky dancers, mystery, imagination, all we were short were a few dancing girls, kung fu and a great reggae soundtrack.
*sigh*
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
It's basically adapting Thelemic practice to the approach of the Six Dharmas of Naropa
These six dharmas, also called the six vajra yogas, do align with the evolution of "Crowley" in The Book of the Law, six transformations he goes through accepting his role in the revelation of the text, if and only if one views Liber al Vel Legis as a Tibetan Terma to be absorbed from that perspective. I am not 100% sure of this, but the six vajra yogas are a purely Tibetan school, and really not released into the west until after Crowley's death. Tantric Thelema, I remember reading when it came out in 2010, I don't recall how they initiated their own work––but it does lend more credence to an occult connection, an assignment of the "secret chiefs" of AA being actual Tibetan adepts writing termas for future generation tertons to uncover.
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
I like Sam Webster's book, it is an excellent practical tour through the lens of practice found in Tibetan Buddhism that serve as a means of coming before Ra Hoor Khuit...Of which there is a wonderful terms of the RHK on the cover, that can thus serve as an alter and guide to the practice in and of itself, as the design and colors are illusive of a meditative wonder....
While Gregory Peter's "