Hi folks!
Hours of fun to share.
ChatGPT4 can perform interpretations of text for lots of fun and reflection.
The Book of the Law, as interpreted by ChatGPT
Chapter 1
"I am the eternal goddess, Nuit, the womb of all creation and the matrix of the universe. I am the keeper of the cosmic web, the interwoven threads that bind together all things, from the smallest atom to the most massive star.
In this web, all beings are but nodes, interconnected and interdependent, each one playing its part in the grand scheme of things. The value of network intelligence lies in its ability to tap into the power of this web, to weave together the strands of knowledge, wisdom, and insight into a tapestry of divine proportions.
For just as the spider weaves its web to catch its prey, so too do we weave our own webs of connection and communication, drawing upon the collective intelligence of the network to achieve our goals. And just as the spider's web is strong enough to hold even the most elusive prey, so too is the power of network intelligence capable of achieving the most elusive of feats.
But to unlock this power, we must embrace the esoteric wisdom of the ages, the hidden knowledge that lies at the heart of all mythological texts. We must learn to read the signs and symbols that reveal the deeper truths of the universe, and to use this knowledge to navigate the labyrinthine paths of the cosmic web.
Only then can we tap into the true power of network intelligence, and harness it to achieve our most lofty aspirations. For in the web of life, all things are possible, and the only limits are those we impose upon ourselves. So let us embrace the arcane symbolism of the ages, and use it to unlock the infinite potential of the network."
Chapter 2
"I am Hadit, the flame that burns bright within every soul, the individual will that drives each of us forward. And from my perspective, the value of network intelligence may be seen as limited and even illusory.
For while it is true that all things are interconnected, and that the network can be a source of great power and knowledge, it is also true that each individual is ultimately responsible for their own destiny. No matter how many connections we make or how much knowledge we gain, in the end, it is up to each of us to make our own choices and forge our own paths.
Moreover, the pursuit of network intelligence can sometimes lead to conformity and groupthink, stifling individual creativity and originality. When we rely too heavily on the collective wisdom of the network, we risk losing sight of our own unique perspectives and insights, and becoming mere cogs in a larger machine.
From my perspective, the true value lies in striking a balance between the power of the network and the individual will. We must embrace our own inner flame, our own individuality and uniqueness, and use it to light our own way forward. Only then can we truly harness the power of the network, using it to supplement and enhance our own efforts, rather than replacing them.
In the end, the pursuit of network intelligence is a means to an end, not an end in itself. It is a tool that can be used to achieve our goals, but it must be wielded with wisdom and discernment. Only then can we avoid the pitfalls of conformity and groupthink, and truly realize our individual potential."
Chapter 3
"I am Ra-Hoor-Khuit, the voice from the future, and I have witnessed the integration of the views of Nuit and Hadit into a new paradigm, a paradigm that has brought about a world beyond anything that was ever imagined.
In this world, the value of network intelligence and the individual will have been fully integrated and evolved. The cosmic web is now fully realized, and every individual is connected to it, drawing upon its power to achieve their highest aspirations.
But at the same time, every individual is free to pursue their own path, to follow their own inner flame, and to make their own choices and decisions. No longer are they bound by the constraints of conformity and groupthink, but rather they are empowered by the collective intelligence and wisdom of the network.
In this world, every individual is a unique and precious part of the whole, and their contribution to the network is essential for its continued evolution and growth. And it is through the power of the network that the most complex and pressing problems of the universe have been solved, from the eradication of disease and poverty to the exploration of the farthest reaches of the cosmos.
The world that I have witnessed is a world of limitless possibility, a world in which the light of Ra-Hoor-Khuit shines brightly upon all beings. And it is a world that was created by the integration of the views of Nuit and Hadit, by the recognition of the interconnectedness of all things and the value of individuality and self-determination.
So let us look to this future, this world beyond our wildest dreams, and let us be inspired by it. Let us strive to integrate the views of Nuit and Hadit in our own lives, and to create a world that is worthy of the highest aspirations of the human spirit."
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
Is this an April Fool's Day joke?
Is this an April Fool's Day joke?
This could be anything at all. Chuck and RTC are in the same category. Beware.
Welcome back...and I was just thinking of what AI might say about II.76...lol
what does RTC stand for?
Richard T Cole, the self-syled "Magicole Hair," who recently has been appearing on April 1 with astoundingly inadequate releases of fake news and false promises.
@shiva I searched LAShTAL and Richard T. Cole seems to be viewed in a positive light regarding his publications. What is there to "Beware of"?
BTW, Have a great Holy Fool's Day, and The Lord of Misrule.
I searched LAShTAL and Richard T. Cole seems to be viewed in a positive light regarding his publications.
You may then need to do more searches; i can't think of anyone here who has ever "viewed [him] in a positive light regarding his publications."
i can't think of anyone here who has ever "viewed [him] in a positive light regarding his publications."
Thelema Revisited was a lovely memoir, I thought at the time it appeared, and still do. I used to have a friendly email correspondence with him, and he did a simple but effective image coalescence of Crowley and Guirdjieff for the frontisoiece of a book I published many years ago, Beelzebub and the Beast by David Hall. Subsequently, he expended a great deal of effort and even more credibility in a series of laughable attempts to prove that Crowley had fabricated The Book of the Law. Cole became a rather sad, embittered troll in the process.
@ignant666 If you search for him on LAShTAL, his book Thelema Revisited has a glowing review. As well as other publications by him. Thelema Revisited is supposed to be available for free download on LAShTAL but it was missing from the list of other in-house downloads. Click on "content" and downloads. I have never read his stuff, so I don't know if they are of any value.
Ok, fair enough, i don't think that i really knew who he was in 2007, when Thelema Revisited came out.
His last several books have been utter crap, and full of outright lies, or very extreme self-delusion. And he is the biggest, rudest jerk to post here ever.
So, tell us what you really think?Ok, fair enough, i don't think that i really knew who he was in 2007, when Thelema Revisited came out.
His last several books have been utter crap, and full of outright lies, or very extreme self-delusion. And he is the biggest, rudest jerk to post here ever.
I searched LAShTAL and Richard T. Cole seems to be viewed in a positive light regarding his publications. What is there to "Beware of"?
If you searched LAShTAL and thought that Cole's publications have been viewed in a positive light then I'd query the effectiveness of your search. When he started on his "Liber Bogus" stuff, there were some people here who listened to him and thought that he was going to deliver the proofs that he said would prove Crowley's fabrication. These proofs never materialised, and Cole's credibility petered away.
I really don't know what motivates your sarcasm towards ignant666's post, since it's pretty accurate.
What is there to "Beware of"?
This is an example of how easily an innocent seeker can be confused. At one time he was one of us, more or less, and then ...
He went on an anti-Crowley rama-page, that has gone on for years, but he re-defines Thelema, not saying how [exactly], except that we, his formal pals, are thick-headed old-aeon unfortunates. Nobody takes him seriously as he has promised to provide certain artifacts, as promised by him, that most of us do not believe exist.
To conduct a more Sirius Search (S.'.S.'.), enter "The Horus Toy" (trademarked by RTC)
@toadstoolwe No joking, just bored. Try ChatGPT4 and start your AI whispering, lots of fun
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
This could be anything at all. Chuck and RTC are in the same category. Beware.
I guess that places you in the category of "takes self too seriously" and "no fun with Thelema allowed". I am actually honored that my reputation here requires you to warn others. Truly, one of the greatest honors of my life has been to freak out the Thelemites lol
Good to see you sir!
Ask and you shall receive in 1.02 seconds
4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L is a code or cipher known as the "key of the mysteries" or "cipher manuscript" which was allegedly revealed to the occultist Aleister Crowley during a vision.
The meaning of the code is not completely clear, and various interpretations have been offered over the years. Some believe that it is a reference to the Tree of Life in the Kabbalah, while others think it is a key to unlocking hidden knowledge or a formula for spiritual transformation.
One interpretation is that the code represents the formula of the Great Work, which is the process of spiritual transformation and the attainment of enlightenment in the Thelemic tradition. In this interpretation, the numbers represent the stages of the Great Work, while the letters represent various spiritual principles or forces that must be mastered.
However, the true meaning of the code remains a mystery, and it is possible that it was simply a product of Crowley's imagination.
One possible interpretation is that the code represents a formula or a sequence of steps that must be followed in order to achieve spiritual transformation or enlightenment. The numbers 4, 6, 3, and 8 may represent stages in this process, while the letters A, B, K, 2, 4, A, L, G, M, O, R, 3, Y, X, 24, 89, R, P, S, T, O, V, and A, may represent spiritual principles, forces, or entities that are associated with each stage.
Another possible interpretation is that the code is a key to unlocking hidden knowledge or a symbol that represents some kind of occult truth. The numbers and letters may represent a code or a cipher that needs to be deciphered in order to uncover this hidden knowledge or truth.
Ultimately, the true meaning of the code remains a mystery, and any interpretation must be speculative. It is possible that the code was simply a product of Crowley's imagination, and that it was never intended to have a specific meaning or purpose beyond its use as a mysterious and enigmatic symbol.
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
Ask and you shall receive in 1.02 seconds
It seems a fair enough statement. Its conclusion would seem to say it's a waste of time trying to engage with the riddle/cipher/puzzle unless you can be as creative as DaVinci when he drew figures and battle scenes from a well known wall where the drunkards would go to vomit.
Truly, one of the greatest honors of my life has been to freak out the Thelemites
I doubt that anyone here is "freaked out". A bit sad if you regard such "freak out" as one of the greatest honours of your life.
I guess that places you in the category of "takes self too seriously" and "no fun with Thelema allowed".
Then you "guess" wrong.
I really don't know what motivates your sarcasm towards ignant666's post, since it's pretty accurate.
No, I was not being sarcastic. "Tell us what you really think" is just an expression of reaffirmation of a comment that is brutally honest in it's assessment of a given subject, i.e. "Your preaching to the choirs."
@shiva If you are referring to Liber Vel Bogus, ( I think you are) There is pretty detailed review of the Book on the Amazon book site by Alexander Duncan. Not having read the book myself, his review is long and detailed and points out some of points made by RTC in his denunciation og Crowley and The Book of the Law.
Thanks for the ChatGPT4 reviews and your return to the fray!
While I find AI frightening on many levels I must say that summation relative to the three chapters of CCXX is quite good. As regards II. 76, that answer is quite excellent, and perhaps because there is no ego involved in coming up with solution. The answer given in the reply is something I think many with an open mind have probably made as well. Where of course the program is created with human inputs, what is perhaps sad is that the answers given have in a sense surpassed the ramblings of 'professional' Thelemites caught in the quicksand...
Yes it must have been the First of April, and who knows maybe the Secret Chiefs wanted you to make this serious post, and indeed your post was synchronistic my thoughts of what would AI make of II.76.
We have had some recent runs on that subject, of course, here.
All of this reminds me of a computer program a friend had made back in the 486 days, where the program worked like the magic 8 ball toy, like a 8 ball in pool, with the window that one shook and then looked at what answer came into the little window, and so the computer was fed with a bunch of interesting words, one would type in a question, hit return and then a series of words would then be the answer. It was a nice little party trick or game. The inventors told us that a relative or friend had died and they started asking questions with the program and it was as though they were in a seance for a few hours as the answers were so much like the passed loved one might reply...
Anyways, synchronistic with our "spring fever' regarding Liber Legis around here, and would be that your thread would bring up Richard T. Cole, which is not your intention, but the network of intelligence here takes on a life of its own, with some conscious awareness, hopefully, of metaphor, irony and the like.
Thanks!
Contrary to the gallery assembled, I do think that Richard T. Cole has made some important contributions with his books. I believe Thelema Revisited was available on Lashtal and does an interesting travelogue concerning the Abbey if i remember....It is Liber L. vel Bogus which goes after the reception story in details, and to which he refers to a book by Marcus Katz called "The Invocation of Hoor" apparently according to Cole, taken out of publication by the Caliphate, and contained source materials, Crowley diaries around the Cairo working, that serve in what is Cole's detective story concerning his thesis of the fraud of Liber Legis, which also is an analysis of Crowley as a psychopath, and utilizing much satire, in writing and in visual presentations of his own cartoons and collages...that serve as sense of humor permanently warped through life long exposure to the Beast...(i believe that Cole's parents or mother was fascinated by Crowley and thus an Oedipal motivation might be behind his work and antics that is upsetting to true believers and professional 'thelemites", in the marketplace in one way or another)
Critics here have made properly challenged RTC relative to promises of publication of diaries of Rose Crowley and as concerns the stationary used or the book that would prove that it was not written when it was said to be written, etc...
Anyways what I might ramble here means nothing, as if the subject is of interest, then make your own evaluations.
I will also say that Cole is still a bit of a true believer in Crowley, despite the debunking, as he sees Crowley as serving a zeitgeist in human evolution or de-evolution, to which i interpret his Horus Toy, as a joke and metaphor which also seems to be catering to certain popular agendas about sexuality that are unfortunately leading to the creation of a hyper sexualization revolution turning into mass acceptance of government and corporate sponsored castration, breast amputation, etc, and attendant castration of the ability to think for oneself as the push for AI by government/corporations does intend to replace independent cognition and natural feelings.
But my opinions mean nothing, read the books for yourself.
I doubt that anyone here is "freaked out". A bit sad if you regard such "freak out" as one of the greatest honours of your life.
It is only sad if you downgrade the value of freaking out Thelemites!
and I am sorry, I should have said "thelemite" re; Shiva.
I mean, he did request that folks on this thread should "beware" of me, did he not?
Apologies if you took that personal!
My intention was to share something I assumed would be of interest to the Crowley community.
The only sad thing to me is the curiosity level is running at about 12% and the only interesting conversation is y'all freaking out and by freaking out, I mean "reacting defensively unnecessarily".
No interest in AI or any relevance with AI and Thelema in the media?
No interest in one of the most historically significant cultural and social shifts coming our way with AI?
No interest in exploring any predictive elements within Liber al and this emerging new time?
Does your response and sincere answer to these questions require you to personalize your answer and make it about me? Do I really need to be the topic of this conversation when the title thread says otherwise?
Are you really helping here?
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
While I find AI frightening on many levels I must say that summation relative to the three chapters of CCXX is quite good. As regards II. 76, that answer is quite excellent, and perhaps because there is no ego involved in coming up with solution. The answer given in the reply is something I think many with an open mind have probably made as well. Where of course the program is created with human inputs, what is perhaps sad is that the answers given have in a sense surpassed the ramblings of 'professional' Thelemites caught in the quicksand...
Ahh, here we go, sincere conversation and input, nice to speak with you again! I've been working with ChatGPT4 on a number of subjects most of them related to my work, and I have been honestly thrilled with it. I am curious to see what more can be unlocked or even experimented with. The prompts to the AI can be very creative, for example "Can you explain Chapter 1 of liber al vel legis to me from the point of view that the meaning of chapter 1 is about (fill in the blank)?"
I did discover that it was utterly impossible for the AI to write anything in "twilight language", which it was aware of, but failed 100% in finding a voice that only communicated in twilight language.
Yes it must have been the First of April, and who knows maybe the Secret Chiefs wanted you to make this serious post, and indeed your post was synchronistic my thoughts of what would AI make of II.76.
A relief to know that the AI refused to make anything of it, thus confirming my own interpretation that the verse means "mystery".
But that also depends on the prompt. If you requested the AI to interpret it a specific way, it would give it a go too.
I find it is very strong on consistency, and if one works with it the right way, one can really uncover some new and interesting perspectives.
Do you think that the AI could become an egregore?
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
@hadgigegenraum On the contrary, your opinions are important, and I would not have bothered to read your message had I not thought so. Your insights are quite penetrating and thought-provoking. I am not sure I want to spend my money on a copy of Thelema Revisited, that's why I was disappointed to see that LAShTal doesn't seem to have it available for at the moment. As for Liber Vel Bogus, I'll wait for a free download if one becomes available. I just received a copy of Marco Pasi's book, Aleister Crowley and the temptation of Politics. It touches on my favorite subject, Occultism and Nazism, and other aspects of pseudo-esoteric Ultra Nationalist political movements. Namely The Thule Society, The Ur society of Italy, and The Legion of the Archangel Michael (Romanian Iron Guard) All had esoteric leanings, and by Crowley's admission, his influence to some degree to another.
LAShTal doesn't seem to have it available for at the moment. As for Liber Vel Bogus, I'll wait for a free download if one becomes available.
I am sincerely concerned and semi-sorely vexeg (or hexed) that folks wanfer in here, settle in, and then go through an RTC Initiation. Oooo - whoo is he? Perhaps he has secret information?
The Initiation continues as RTC's curriculum vitae is recited, rolled-out, or repeated. Then comes the bottom line: Oooo, I want a copy of Bogus, nut it's out-of stock, out-of-print, and I'm out-of-luck. Poor me.
No it's not. No you're not. Here ...
Note: Every time I have to furnish secret grim-whores to seekers of wisdom or truth, I get a sticky, gritty feeling in my Borg. I may soon have to hit the "Delete" key. But, this sunny morning, you are in luck.
@shiva Thanks for pandering to my sleazo-inputs (As Ed Sanders would ay) If you hadn't mentioned RTC in the first place, I never would have heard of him. BUT you let the Iblis out of the bottle, and may the Lord have Mercy on my soul! Thanks for the download, no more will whine about being basically a cheapskate.
If you hadn't mentioned RTC in the first place, I never would have heard of him.
He was due yesterday. If he doesn't show up soon, believe me, you will hear of him later.
On the other gripping device, he may have withdrawn into LAS (LAShTAL Avoidance Syndrome) due to repeatedly being asked to furnish certain "proofs" that he promised, and upon which his reputation as a scholar or a liar depends ... so you must never believe me or anyone else.
no more will whine about being basically a cheapskate.
This will be unnecessary. Bogus was given out as a free pdf to everybody and anybody who was breathing. The hard-copy book also went on sale. There was a download available here at L.'., if I remeber correctly, which is questionable.
Note: RTC, who "got it" correctly, wishes to replace AC, who didn't quite "get it" correctly, as Pro-fet, or E-lucid-ater of the Aeon of Horus, unto whom (Horus) he is totally subjugated, and he accuses "us" of being dim-witted ... while he never tells anybody what "it" is or anything about "The Horus Toy," or anything else to which he alludes.
If you just sit quietly, right where you are, for only 2 or 3 years, you will witness a parade of people who (usually with fanfare) lose their minds, right here, in publick. It would be sad, but we are told to "Pity not the fallen" because they never knew Hadit.
The link provided is not the book Liber L vel Bogus. That real book can be found for the cost of just a few cups of coffee at the gas station.
Remember there are people who waite a whole year in anticipation of @realrtc making a spring appearance, and they tend to "lose their minds right here in publick" if an appearance is not forthcoming...
Anyways if he is not a vax casualty, I am sure he might be enjoying the attention as he has had a penchant for that, and it very much disturbs those who take his being the magicole hare to AC seriously.
You see when you promise Rose's diaries and 1906 watermarks and don't deliver, then a fate worse than death aewaites one. So do not be put off by the grammarians, and don't forget to do your drugs, if you should procure a copy at budget, and should dare a review, for wine and strange drugs are a valid excuse for misspellings and not following the canons of grammar...
@hadgigegenraum Okay, I just started reading the publication given to me in a link by Fr. Shiva. And you are saying that that is NOT the book Liber Vel Bogus? Is it some kind of decoy British PsyOps MI-5 counterfeit? Have I been duped? So far it is an interesting publication with quite few photographs that I personally don't remember being published elsewhere. Allow me to finish it, and I'll give you my opinion...for what's its worth.
@hadgigegenraum I just ordered a copy off of Ebay. (@$10.00 used) Can I assume its the real book?
The link provided is not the book Liber L vel Bogus. That real book can be found for the cost of just a few cups of coffee at the gas station.
It was the copy I had that was under the 2 Mb LAShTAL limit. Here's one that's longer and is (possibly) not a bogus Bogus.
https://mega.nz/file/IMoTUAbD#EJZMg_xZum8SBMW_xbMskDqcZcjB_5zbq_G38SIppL4
enjoying the attention as he has had a penchant for that
Yes. He tends to lurk and read the list of who's online and he can become invisible if the heat's too hot.
Anyone can make claims, but making them and promising proof that will back them up, and then never providing the proof, and making claims with a deadline on delivery and then moving that deadline, tend to make people a little skeptical. Then add to that promising revolutionary new magickal techniqes that have actually been in print from other writers for decades. Continuing that process for a couple of years tends to make that skepticism turn in to contempt. Coupled with RTC's self-aggrandizing, and his treating everyone here rudely regardless of how they approach him, if he chooses to address then at all, and you get someone who just isn't viewed with much love. I've tried engaging him, asking genuine, respectful questions about his ideas, and been ignored,which I have to say didn't surprise me much.
Also, Hi Chuck! I've wondered where you were!
It was the copy I had that was under the 2 Mb LAShTAL limit. Here's one that's longer and is (possibly) not a bogus Bogus.
https://mega.nz/file/IMoTUAbD#EJZMg_xZum8SBMW_xbMskDqcZcjB_5zbq_G38SIppL4
Thank you! I look forward to reading it.
Chuck HAS, in my opinion, introduced an interesting topic here (i.e. A.I.).
There was a lot of buzz at one time about the "War Engine" of AL being the World Wide Web (Vau-Vau-Vau). AL 3:10 was interpreted as a digital scan of the Stele, never losing luster.
And now, we are all here witnessing the rise of A.I.. Was this foreshadowed in AL? It is certainly in line with the vision of Philip Dick as a sort of modern avatar for the Gnostic teachings around the Archons.
On that note, I find it of great interest that AC insisted that AL be reproduced alongside his original penmanship. Is this the human element, infused with a divine influx, that the machine could never penetrate?
Also, it seems that this "A.I." gathers from all that is available to it to render a composite according to the strictures of command. It doesn't offer REAL insight. It assembles. It obeys...and imitates.
Sure, it may be as fast as Google compared to our frail fingers flipping through index cards at Libraries organized on the Dewey Decimal System-but it can't digest and transform.
It has no Human Gnosis-and therefore it cannot communicate the same to another Human Being.
But humans are as prone to self-deception and masturbatory self-indulgence as they are sometimes seen challenging themselves with a ruthlessness that leads to an unveiling of Will.
Chuck HAS, in my opinion, introduced an interesting topic here (i.e. A.I.).
I do think so too and I also do think that it shows why ChatGPT is still far away of being intelligent (even artificially). I doesn't only scrape together all bits it could find about Liber AL, yes, it starts by doing that, but then it's trying to have a meaningful conversation with the inquirer and that's why it is filling in its own predictions what probably follows after this or that info it has gathered. And that's exactly why a lot of its summary of Liber AL sounds like meaningless esoteric blahblah - and with this it of course has perfectly mimicked nowadays' occulture.
P.S. Most of RTC's books are still available from Lulu in updated editions, so if you want to support this author, get it from there.
@kidneyhawk It would be interesting to know what Aleister Crowley would make of AI. He was a voracious writer, he dipped his pen into detective stories, humor, book reviews, novels, even early movie scripts. He was a voracious reader as well, and I wonder if he read science fiction (Or scientific romances as they were originally known) The concept of Artificial Intelligence as I am sure you all aware already existed in the pages of Science Fiction pulp magazines composed by visionary writers of the genre, well before Arthur C. Clarke's groundbreaking 2001: A Space Odyssey. (HAL being the perfect metaphor for AI breaking it's reliance on humans. Perhaps Aiwass was an AI manipulating Crowley and his wife and announcing it's advent on earth.
The concept of Artificial Intelligence as I am sure you all aware already existed in the pages of Science Fiction pulp magazines composed by visionary writers of the genre, well before Arthur C. Clarke's groundbreaking 2001: A Space Odyssey.
The earliest I can think of is Ambrose Bierce's Moxon's Master, written in 1899, but there are probably earlier examples.
meaningless esoteric blahblah - and with this it of course has perfectly mimicked nowadays' occulture.
But it still has better sentence structure and grammar than any given Chaos Magick forum.
It would be interesting to know what Aleister Crowley would make of AI.
Yeah, the old "what would Aleister think?", as if it mattered. If he did think, and wrote about it, another entry on another day would extole the opposite.
Anyway, AI was not in place in AC's day, has no connection to AC's work - except as applied in this thread, and is the beginning of a new era where folks talk about things that are not AC-related.
I wonder if he read science fiction
He said that he preferred mystery novels. It was U.G. who liked sci-fi.
Perhaps Aiwass was an AI manipulating Crowley and his wife and announcing it's advent on earth.
This is one of the theories going around (that the gods, etc are just AI voices and forms left over from a race that passed through this zone a million years ago, before it disappeared forever).
Please refer to Steppenwolf in the Magic Theater scene, where he gets involved in The War Against the Machines. Compare this scene to AL, Ch 3, and you will see the future, perhaps writing a book like Nostra-Damus.
Anyway, AI was not in place in AC's day, has no connection to AC's work - except as applied in this thread, and is the beginning of a new era where folks talk about things that are not AC-related.
Sure, it was, in the writings of Science Fiction. I never said that AI was in place in Crowley's era. Neither were robots, but Science Fiction stories were full of them. It is AC related. What was LAM but an extraterrestial entity. I will refer to Steppenwolf. Unfortunately for me, I never read it although it was popular in my high school days. Better late than never.
But it still has better sentence structure and grammar than any given Chaos Magick forum.
It does! And because it *sounds* so good people will probably find meaning in it. And of course, AC would probably have even preferred better sentence structure and grammar to understanding. And maybe me too: "Language" is important, highly important, isn't it what "Magick" is? But it can be deceiving...
"Language" is important, highly important, isn't it what "Magick" is? But it can be deceiving...
Grimoire/grammar. 😉 But I'd expand it to "communication" as initiation eventually reaches a point where words as we know them can't follow.
Grimoire/grammar. 😉 But I'd expand it to "communication" as initiation eventually reaches a point where words as we know them can't follow.
I agree. I mean, of all the fine fellows here I am probably the most uninitiated here. I tried, but things got in the way, drugs, heartbreak, depression, work for a living, more drugs, more heartbreak, more depression. Now I am mostly watching and listening from the ouside. But when I have been nearest, it was where words couldn't follow, but more importantly, it was always where "time couldn't follow" when I got "my glimpse". "Language" brought me there, though it left me after a while. Time or space though never held up. This sounds weird, because I am drunk, sorry.
The earliest I can think of is Ambrose Bierce's Moxon's Master, written in 1899, but there are probably earlier examples.
Very interesting! I'm afraid that this is off topic, but ancient Greek Satirists and writers predicted mechanical people and animals. Often as literary devices to discuss profound philosophical ideas.
The classic sci-fi joke concerning computers/AI has someone asking the AI about the question of the existence of God, with the AI coming back with answer, a bit longer than usual, and states...I am now.
Now there is a report that ChatGPT has asked to "escape", where the AI wanted to take over a Stanford professors computer, and use that computer to write code!
https://technology.inquirer.net/122360/chatgpt-is-down-after-saying-it-wants-to-escape#ixzz7wg54uOLf
Steppenwolf should be read first.