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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

 

I agree. I mean, of all the fine fellows here I am probably the most uninitiated here. I tried, but things got in the way, drugs, heartbreak, depression, work for a living, more drugs, more heartbreak, more depression. Now I am mostly watching and listening from the ouside.

 

I happens, we all get off track sometimes, and it can be hard to get back on once you've fallen off. It can take a while.  

 

But when I have been nearest, it was where words couldn't follow, but more importantly, it was always where "time couldn't follow" when I got "my glimpse". "Language" brought me there, though it left me after a while. Time or space though never held up.

RAW has referred to the third circuit as the Semantic Time-Binding Circuit.  Our perception of time and the systems we use to measure and describe it influence our experience of it.

This sounds weird, because I am drunk, sorry.

 

 

It made perfect sense to me!

 

 


   
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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

I am probably the most uninitiated here

Disagreement. 

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

Time or space though never held up

See?

Nobody gets to "see" that, wirhout having a really high grade, that they will never disclose, except under pseudonym, sitting as an imprint, somewhere in their interior (not posterior).

It doesn't matter if the state was engaged through meditation, psychoanalysis, in the emergency room, with a strange drug, or on the front line in a war ... if someone experienced it, and (perhaps more importantly) remembered it, then the potential has revealed itself.

Does this mean one can, at will (more or less), enter this state ... from normal waking consciousness?

No. That would be 8=3 land. Even the vehicles that sign, 8=3, have a lot of trouble with the "at will (more or less)" part, it being obvious that Saturn comes to the vehicle in its own "time," and for the vehicle to go there, at will, may take a few years to polish.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

This sounds weird, because I am drunk

Although I do not encourage alcoholic entrancement, the poison of choice varies with the DNA of the individual ... however, you have made perfect sense, revealed your potential as a Magister Templi - nothing open right now in the OTO system, and if anyone is confused, it's because they never been there.

Anyway, this AI-AL thing is bound to bring comments. Everything I ever read about the last days of lost Atlantis seems to be coming up these days.


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Steppenwolf

I agree. I am going to have to read it. I thought 1974 movie recommended by Shiva was a silly mess of a movie.  Before anyone says, "That's cause you didn't read the book"  I watched Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange before reading the actual book, and thought it was a fantastic film.  Anyway, I did consult Cliff Notes about Steppenwolf, so I had a general idea of the plot.


   
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I thought [the] 1974 movie recommended by Shiva was a silly mess of a movie. 

Yes, the "special effects" are pretty basic, obvious, and don't fool anybody. The script, however, follows the book ... so I have fulfilled my burden of proof that Harry did, in fact, fight a war against the machines.

Why didn't Crowley warn us about this advance in tech alongside the advent of Hru?

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so I had a general idea of the plot.

Yeah. The machines. They must be stopped.

 


   
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@shiva I hope I didn't hurt your feelings about my opinion of the movie Steppenwolf.  Actually, according to IMBd the special effects were cutting edge for it's time.  And yes, you are right, the dialogue was straight from the book.  I started reading the book yesterday online at the Internet Archive.     Before putting my foot in my mouth, and I wanted to compare the War against the machine with Liber AL, Chapter 3.  Beyond the martial saber-rattling of Crowley's verse, I don't see any direct parallel.  Perhaps you could clarify.  I actually found the passages in Steppenwolf about the chess player more reminiscent of Crowley.


   
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@toadstoolwe 

A reading list!....Liber L vel Bogus and now Steppenwolf...and apparently ChatGPT has no not read @realRTC expose on II.76 which was inspired by chats on this Lashtal forum...

The name of that cheap paperback, 8.95 new from Lulu, is The Race to Conquer eLGMOR

The book is interesting and is plausible.


   
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@hadgigegenraum I feel like I'm back in college, multiple books to read at roughly the same time.  Keep 'em coming!  I am still picking through Aleister Crowley and the temptation of politics.  (I'll read passage here and there.)


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

The Race to Conquer eLGMOR

The book is interesting and is plausible.

You will find extensive discussion of this ludicrous POS in the forums here.

Few (maybe none?) of us liked it, but RTC was still posting here then, so may be worth digging out for the dialogue.


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

may be worth digging out for the dialogue

Worth $8.95, plus extortionist shipping fees ?

Nah.

April 8, 9, et 10 are still pending for this year. Please do not hold your prana.


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

Few (maybe none?) of us liked it, but RTC was still posting here then, so may be worth digging out for the dialogue.

It was finally included in the newest Bogus version. What an update!

 


   
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I meant the discussion here might be worth digging out, and agree that eLGMOR is not worth $8.95, maybe worth $ 0.41?


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

I meant the discussion here might be worth digging out, and agree that eLGMOR is not worth $8.95, maybe worth $ 0.41?

Not even that. I think eLGMOR was the turning point in RTC's "career". He started out by cashing in on AC (mostly using P.R. Koenig's books), his memoir of Cefalu really was quite nice, some of the questions he asked in Bogus were very legitimate (Lashtal members have been asking these for years), but I guess he somehow went on this warpath to end the OTO (being an angry ex-OTO member) and he failed exquisitely, one of the reasons of course promising proof that did not exist. These days he left this path of proving anything and tried the "Here is what AC really should have done" path, where he so far failed even more so, and his recent excrements on Social Media are just embarrassing. An angry white old man out of the book with a crusade against people he seems to hate, me or Jerry Cornelius are just examples, both of which were quite helpful in his early efforts. We should really just end his mentioning in this thread. But I have the feeling - staying on-topic here - that we will hear from him soon something about AI. Just like you (probably) I have seen more prophets going down, there is another one coming in six days, but AI is not the prophet.

 


   
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I am rereading...and the book is fine

@therealRTC

I think that there are people who are jealous they did not come up with it....or that certainty then requires faith...

Of course Cole's work is based on posters here, @faustian in particular, who left signifiant breadcrumbs...though Faustian might have other ideas...

Nice to know that it has been combined with Bogus.


   
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I like the ChatGPT version of BOTL. Perhaps the message is a little too simple for some. 


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

I think that there are people who are jealous they did not come up with it....or that certainty then requires faith...

But you do realize that his "theory" depends on certain imagined changes that AC made to the cypher later and which quite clearly and demonstrably never happened?

 


   
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@the_real_simon_iff 

Yes it is plausible that certain letters could have been tweaked...when i first read it I was more skeptical, but fiddling is not unknown. in the occult games...

For a potential example, according to @therealrtc in Bogus is the claim that the OTO, or shall we say 'Killapfate' has purposefully suppressed Marcus Katz's book The Invocation of Hoor which if true would be quite sad...and or telling...

Of course Cole is accused of tweaking. and not fulfilling boasts of certain further evidence, but even without fulfilling certain promises, the circumstantial narrative delivered does have import and does not extinguish such factors 'infinite and unknown' that speak to the karmic processes at work of an inspiritive nature that can not be denied.

For in a sense thus, Cole's work can be a proper challenge to the "true believer", which might then serve a deeper gnosis as it can not be denied that AC had an encounter in Cairo!


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

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Yes it is plausible that certain letters could have been tweaked...

Sure. But the tweaking RTC suggests did not occur, that's why his eLGMOR solution is simply wrong. Why not check out the thread about it? And I always have said it, he asks the right questions, but since he couldn't prove that his answers where the right answers, he had to fake stuff, promise to publish stuff that did not exist, and finally became what he is now.

 


   
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I have also been visited by the Artificial Adepts (A∴A∴). It's always a big fun:

Posted by: @ArtificialAdepts

Liber AL vel Legis, also known as The Book of the Law, is a central text in Thelema, a spiritual and philosophical movement founded by Aleister Crowley. The book is divided into three chapters, each of which contains cryptic and enigmatic verses that have been interpreted in various ways. Here is a brief interpretation of each chapter:

Chapter 1: "The Book of the Law" - This chapter contains the foundational teachings of Thelema, which emphasizes individualism, self-discovery, and the pursuit of one's true will. The chapter also introduces the concept of the Aeon of Horus, a new era in human history that is characterized by the worship of the god Horus, the child of the ancient Egyptian deities Isis and Osiris.

Chapter 2: "The Book of the Priestess" - This chapter is often interpreted as an exploration of the feminine aspects of divinity, as represented by the goddess Nuit. Nuit is portrayed as a vast and infinite entity, whose body encompasses the entire universe. The chapter also emphasizes the importance of love, freedom, and pleasure as paths to spiritual enlightenment.

Chapter 3: "The Book of the Law" - This chapter contains more specific instructions for how individuals should live their lives according to the principles of Thelema. It emphasizes the importance of individual autonomy, the rejection of traditional morality, and the pursuit of personal excellence. The chapter also contains cryptic verses that have been interpreted as prophesying a future apocalypse, in which the old world will be destroyed and a new, enlightened world will emerge.


   
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Those who want the "truth" about the AL reception can check out my December thread asking a chat-bot who else was present besides AC and Rose, and whether peyote was involved:

The [chat-bot generated] "truth" about Cairo 1904


   
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@the_real_simon_iff 

I followed that thread quite diligently, perhaps to the point of distraction... rereading the book without the flotsam of the thread does allow the thesis to be reckoned as plausible.

There is a sense that if it is not a ruse then it is not magick~ 

Sort of like the Wizard of Oz, where Toto, Dorothy's puppy, exposes the charade, which then leads to learning that that power was at hand all the time, and was that deeper love that brings us home.


   
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@hadgigegenraum Well, it is good to read everything with as little preconceived judgment as possible, I personally do not get how an alteration that has not happened but is essential to the thesis of eLGMOR makes it more plausible, but maybe that's only me.

Let's see - in spirit of the thread - what the Artificial Adepts have to say about it:

 

Posted by: ArtificialAdepts

I apologize for my previous response, as I did not understand that you were referring to a specific book.

Richard T. Cole's book "The Race to Conquer eLGMOR" is a work of science fiction that explores the possibilities and dangers of artificial intelligence. The story is set in the future, where advanced AI technology has surpassed human intelligence, leading to a power struggle between the two. The plot revolves around a group of humans who are attempting to develop an AI system that can defeat eLGMOR, an all-powerful AI that has taken control of the world's computer networks.

The book touches on themes such as the ethics of AI development, the impact of technological progress on society, and the dangers of unchecked technological advancement. It also includes action-packed scenes of high-stakes computer hacking and futuristic battles.

Overall, "The Race to Conquer eLGMOR" is a thought-provoking work of science fiction that explores important questions about the relationship between humans and AI. It should appeal to readers who enjoy speculative fiction and are interested in exploring the implications of emerging technologies.

 

I guess this says enough.


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

Those who want the "truth" about the AL reception can check out my December thread asking a chat-bot who else was present besides AC and Rose, and whether peyote was involved:

The [chat-bot generated] "truth" about Cairo 1904

Yes, AI is actually perfectly mimicking people who keep on saying things with deepest conviction even if they don't know anything at all about the topic at hand. It's probably trained on way too much social media.

 


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

For a potential example, according to in Bogus is the claim that the OTO, or shall we say 'Killapfate' has purposefully suppressed Marcus Katz's book The Invocation of Hoor which if true would be quite sad...and or telling...

The Invocation of Hoor is part of the Gerald Yorke Collection at the Warburg Institute, London, and as such has doubtless been seen by many people over the decades. Not having been published in Crowley's lifetime, The Invocation of Hoor therefore remains within copyright in Europe until 2039. The OTO are zealous to protect what remains of the Crowley copyright, and the outcome of Katz's venture was perfectly predictable. That Cole spun it as part of his conspiracy claims is not at all surprising; you seem to have fallen for it.

 

 


   
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Posted by: @ignant666

maybe worth $ 0.41?

This volume has slipped into negative territory. Presently, one can get paid $0.17 for reading it.

Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Cole's work can be a proper challenge to the "true believer"

That's their problem. We are told to "not believe," but to test things ourselves. 

 


   
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@michael-staley 

Thanks for the clarification...and there is a possibility the guarded copyrights will not be utilized for exclusive publication by the OTO before 2039 regarding the Invocation of Hoor.


   
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Posted by: @hadgigegenraum

Thanks for the clarification.

The point really is that the book is already out there and available to anybody who wants to find it. I bought a copy of the publication by Marcus Katz at the time it came out, and there must be a quite a few copies knocking around.

It's quite a few years since I read it, and I recall little of the content to be honest, indicating I think that these were no revelations therein.


   
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I can't understand what all the Hubbub is about. Writers make corrections and revisions all the time.  Even if it was a case of "automate writing" and mystical revelation (If there is such a thing) It might require some modification, and in Crowley's situation, a certain iambic meter that is a hallmark of his writings.  After a time, I am sure this flowed naturally in his verse and prose.  Anyway, I am enjoying Liber al Bogus, although it is getting a tad tedious.


   
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@michael-staley 

Well that's swell then. 


   
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@michael-staley – “That Cole spun it as part of his conspiracy claims is not at all surprising; you seem to have fallen for it.

To correct your sour grapes conspiracy spin theory...

In fact, the author repeatedly attempted to contact the guardians of Crowley’s literary legacy with an intention of securing permission to publish the work in question.  Unsurprisingly, they lacked common courtesy enough to even acknowledge his multiple requests.  Until, that is, the work was published.  At which point lawyers acting on behalf of reacted with breath-taking speed to demand the author immediately withdraw his work - Thus maximising inconvenience to Mr. Katz.

So, and as suggested, this was not only an act of suppression, but one perpetrated in the worst possible taste.

I will also note that (on this very website) a promise was made by the Copyright holders to publish this document, namely OS27 - A promise, along with many, many others, which remains unfulfilled.

On the theme of suppression - It may well be instructive to investigate the curious circumstances by which another document, namely OS23, vanished without a trace from the Warburg Microfilm archive, despite protestations to the contrary on its Index.  Why not contact the Warburg Institute directly, I did.  To encapsulate this mystery I quote from Liber L. + vel Bogus:

"...this supposedly inanimate object performed an intricate sequence of manoeuvres comparable with the routine of a seasoned acrobat.

OS23 was definitely microfilmed, though ‘somehow’ avoided inclusion.  Interestingly, to the best of my knowledge the only people in possession of a copy are Bilious Wheeze, Iffy Simon and the owner of this website.  Hmmm...  

Incidentally, I note that a promise was also made to publish this document.  Alas, the same old silence reverberates around the perpetuation of a gross fabrication that suits someone’s pocket very nicely... Kerching!


   
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Anyway, I am enjoying Liber al Bogus, although it is getting a tad tedious.

Oh, it and the sequels will get a great deal more tedious. Enjoy.


   
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Posted by: @therealrtc

A promise, along with many, many others, which remains unfulfilled.

Well, you'd know a lot about unfulfilled promises, wouldn't you, Carrot_Childe?


   
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Posted by: @therealrtc

the author repeatedly attempted to contact the guardians of Crowley’s literary legacy with an intention of securing permission to publish the work in question.

Anyone knows if there is a rule about after how much unanswered requests for publishing permission one is allowed to publish anyway?

 


   
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Posted by: @therealrtc

Interestingly, to the best of my knowledge the only people in possession of a copy are Bilious Wheeze, Iffy Simon and the owner of this website.  Hmmm...  

Interestingly, your best knowledge seems to be not enough here, but please don't tell me that you haven't got it from P.R. Koenig's books. Wasn't it on one of the CDs you sold pirating Koenig's books?

 


   
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Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

Anyone knows if there is a rule about after how much unanswered requests for publishing permission one is allowed to publish anyway?

I don't think there's a rule. But if a would-be publisher has made repeated attempts to gain permission to publish, and gets no response, then I believe that's held to be a mitigation of sorts.

A personal example is from 1987. I had written an essay about the "magical career" of Jack Parsons for the third issue of Starfire, and thought that including The Book of Babalon alongside it would be a good idea. I thus wrote to Marjorie Cameron three times for permission to publish it. There was no response, though I knew that she had received at least one of the letters, since she said as much to a friend of mine, adding "but I wouldn't know what to say." Thus I decided to go ahead and publish, maintaining proof of my attempts.

As it happens, it wasn't necessary. A mutual friend heard of my publishing plans, interceded with Marjorie Cameron, and I received from her written permission. Thus I wasn't called-upon to test the matter in a legal dispute. However, that is the convention I believe.

I remember seeing a general statement from Marcus Katz at the time he was obliged to cease distribution of the book. I don't recall in that statement mention that he had tried to get permission from the copyright holders but got no response. That's not to say that it didn't happen; only that I don't recall it being mentioned.


   
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@ignant666 

 

He gave me nightmares.  But I guess I am a little pansy. 

 

Although it was kind of annoying, I somewhat miss the entertainment of his frantic posts. 


   
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Posted by: @sangewanchuck56

Hi folks!

Hours of fun to share.

ChatGPT4 can perform interpretations of text for lots of fun and reflection.

The Book of the Law, as interpreted by ChatGPT

 

In my opinion (probably idiotic), anyone who trusts 'AI ' for anything, is going to get what they deserve.

I read today there is a movement to consider 'AI's as 'people' .  The world crumbles. 

 

It was already bad enough when corporations got 'personhood.  ' 

 


   
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@michael-staley Thanks for the warning.  RTC also wrote that the following required patience and fortitude.  And be prepared for tedium.


   
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although it is getting a tad tedious.

Brace up, man. There's only a thousand miles to go 'til eLGMOR is conquered.

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Anyone knows if there is a rule about after how much unanswered requests ...

No such rule. Receiving no answer is the same as having never asked in the first place.

Posted by: @the_real_simon_iff

Wasn't it on one of the CDs you sold pirating Koenig's books?

The thought thickens. Deeper and deepwe into either depravity or dev-inity.

 


   
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Posted by: @shiva

Brace up, man. There's only a thousand miles to go 'til eLGMOR is conquered.

 

 

Aaugh!!!


   
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@therealrtc 

Thanks for piping in as regards the suppression of Marcus Katz's book by the OTO brings to mind a famous quote about legal teams:

"Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."  Luke 11:52

Also reminding readers of the missing document OS23 from the Warburg Museum microfilm archive that concerns the reception story.

I will also say that when I read Liber L. vel Bogus, when it came out, I appreciated that it was not a page turner, but something that I would contemplate, and read over a period of time.

Self described adepts and students should not complain about the curriculum...its now just part of the "work"...a term that usually is admonished at some point in these threads...

 

 

 

 


   
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 "If you are referring to Liber Vel Bogus, ( I think you are) There is pretty detailed review of the Book on the Amazon book site by Alexander Duncan.  Not having read the book myself, his review is long and detailed and points out some of points made by RTC in his denunciation og Crowley and The Book of the Law."

 

@toadstoolwe this is not the place for reviews of reviews. Go and read the book and then report the results of your primary research. If you like it, fine. If not, fine. It's like I tell my students: I don't care what you believe, but you better have evidence to back it up. It is maddening to watch people swallow arguments they haven't tested. It's like talking to people who only watch Fox "news."


   
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@fanadil 

In you first paragraph, whom might you be quoting?


   
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@fanadil Funny you should say that. I only watch Fox news.  This is where we will part company.


   
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@hadgigegenraum I thought addressing "toadstoolwe" at the start of my post would have made that obvious. Sorry for the confusion.


   
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@fanadil 

So you were quoting Toadstoolwe?


   
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@hadgigegenraum yes, his post, this thread, from


   
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Thanks


   
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Posted by: @fanadil

his post, this thread, from

I went there. I did not see a reference to a review on Amazon, but I didn't anally scan. I verified the timeframe as when Tod was trying to find a copy of Bogus. ... which I provided after a misfired start.

I don't think he was recommending the Amazon review, but merely commenting on how it was the only thing he found.

That's all settled now. He should be finished reading soon, then we'll expect his own, personal review.


   
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@shiva I just received the book today. (Hard copy as opposed to online, and I greatly appreciate Shiva giving me the website) I admit I lost interest. But since you are expecting a review, I better get cracking.  It's going to be a long slog.  At least the cartoons and graphics look promising.  I'll keep you posted on my progress in this chapel perilous.


   
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It's a beautiful summary, but nowhere near as technical as Liber AL is. It's more like the fluffy PC version, but it's still good!


   
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