A Lashtal thread concerning it is here:
Wow! Very impressive and beautiful work!
Align, add, quantify, and make a plan.
That is basically the rallying cry of an entire plugged in niche "regenerative" subculture, obsessed on raising wealth to initiate these plans, keyword: Align
Write down the mantras and spells, of maitreya and the sangha; the wood of the wand and the steel of the sword; these ye shall burn and preach.
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
Yes, i am speaking in terms of the Aeons, not individuals
No, I was stating that externsl Aeons or eras as defined by Astrology, prophets, Cwewmonies in Egypt, etc, are a great backdrop for viewing cultural change, but the view will vary according to the culture.
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The resolution of the dilemma is to be in the world but not of it - an old saying that describes a state - but fails to tell one how to do it. It is a state of non-attachment that one eventually get into, or is forced into, and it is not possible to explain how to do it.
The way to do such a thing would have to be relative to that particular individual's needs. One needs to exist in the current world but bring the circumstances of their life as far in alignment with their Will as possible.
Reciting the Lord's Prayer (dedicated to YHVH) backwards is suggested (by nitwits) for invoking/evoking The Devil.
Paul Huson makes it the centerpiece of an initiation rite of deconditioning. Rather like the practical application of the Black Mass going against previously held doctrines, even if the person claims to have rejected them, can lead to some profound experiences, as it puts rejection to the test.
Everybody's got their own "True Timetable."
As the Aeon continues to unfold, because it is indeed still manifesting, those who follow their Will contribute to that unfolding.
A Lashtal thread concerning it is here:
@threefold31 I left this on your Book of Lauds thread, but if you don't mind it also fits here a little bit so copying here if you want to keep the discussion off of your thread.
I am curious to ask you about the reception of the Book of the Lauds.
How was it received and written?
Do you have a story about how it came to be?
Also, can you make future cultural predictions and predict shifts happening using Liber MA?
From my view, it does appear to have plenty of alignment. I am not much of a gematria guy, I only dabble there if necessary I have other methods that I use.
I don't want to join the FB group because I would like to remain anonymous.
The Egg is in the nest, but an egg hatches, a baby birdling is alive but requires a mother to be nurtured––but of course a bird grows up, takes flight, and leaves the nest.
The narrative structure is also in the nest 
Cheers
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
As the Aeon continues to unfold, because it is indeed still manifesting
It is just getting underway. I calculated (and published) the "tipping point" or "crisis point" to be 2029 ev. The World Economic Frame has announced The Great Reset for 2030. That's pretty close coincidencing.
In addition to the Gr.'. Res.'., we have parallel universes, or at least timelines, running alongside the "official 2,000-year Aeon.
RTC is calling for recognition of falsification of dates ... but then it's only a matter of 1906 - 1904 = 2 years, and that's not much out of 2K years, so I wasn't planning on losing sleep tonite over that.
3X31 is running a current parallelism, following up on Achad's work, wherein 2020 ev was significant for the incoming of The Aeon of Maat (Ma), and that conflicts with Horus just getting under way for a run of 19 more centuries.
I am not disagreeing with your statement, merely pointing out the variations and parallel concepts ... as we all move forward together. I therefore move to supercede or praeterdeed up a level that transcends Aeons ... The yugas. All of us, regardless of Aeonic affiliation or bias, are caught in the mud of the Kali Yuga, which is based on Greed.
We had this thread on Aeons, and one on Yugas, or something similar. The general consensus that I came away with was the same as that writ by William Q Judge ... Different cultures and nations or tribes and individuals are not moving forward on the same rung of the ladder.
those who follow their Will contribute to that unfolding.
those who follow their Will contribute to that unfolding.
Right. Find your Will and do It was the brief definition of all this stuff.
I am not disagreeing with your statement, merely pointing out the variations and parallel concepts ...
I didn't think that you were disagreeing. And I am familiar with the yugas as well.
I also hold the heretical belief that some who have announced new or different Aeons may have instead been expressing different elements of the current Aeon.
I also hold the heretical belief that some who have announced new or different Aeons may have ...
This view would only be heretical in the minds of those who think the Aeons come and go according to the mantra Slippin' and Slidin'. The mantra for those who subscribe to the orthodox 2000-year Aeons is I am a Rock - I am an Island.
There are certain unfortunates, such as myself, who understand both approaches, but subscribe (in practice) to neither. But then I discussed the neithers, so why dwell on?
I also hold the heretical belief that some who have announced new or different Aeons may have instead been expressing different elements of the current Aeon.
How are you defining Aeon in this context, do you mind if I ask? Different systems may use words such as "yugas" or "aeons" or even "turnings" but they all do not agree on timeframes or any specifics.
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
This view would only be heretical in the minds of those who think the Aeons come and go according to the mantra Slippin' and Slidin'. The mantra for those who subscribe to the orthodox 2000-year Aeons is I am a Rock - I am an Island.
And evidently to the idea that the Aeon arrived complete on day one and nothing will develop from that point.
How are you defining Aeon in this context, do you mind if I ask?
For the current Aeon, what Thelema refers to as the Aeon of Horus, as announced by Crowley.
but they all do not agree on timeframes or any specifics.
As I noted, the Orthodox Thelemic Aeon is ~2000 years (for beginners), and anywhere from 1900 to 2400 (for researchers seeking AA - Anal Accuracy). We (Katrice and I) had discussed the (much bigger) yugas, and we had come to recent "New Aeons" being announced after only less than a century and a quarter - thus her comment.
We shall both waite with patients to see what her definition is.
For the current Aeon, what Thelema refers to as the Aeon of Horus, as announced by Crowley.
Why, there were no patients waiting at all. It's Magick. She gives no number of years. Maybe she subscribes to AC's statement "It could be soon or it could be a long time for time is different here than there.
What do you think, Katrice? Is it ...
2000 (a childish figure that does not fit into the zodiac 12 times)
Around 2000 years - no specics
1900 (4 ev to 1904 ev)
2400 (Ankh 500 bev to `1900ev), rounded off
2148 (25,772 years for a full precession / divided by 12 astros = 2148
Oops - using these last figures, and employing one half of the 250-yr transition period, my projected "tipping point" of 2039 now becomes an incredible 2023 (does that year ring a bell?)
SS (Slippin' and a Slidin') soon or later, 'cause time is different ... you know.
As I noted, the Orthodox Thelemic Aeon is ~2000 years (for beginners), and anywhere from 1900 to 2400 (for researchers seeking AA - Anal Accuracy). We (Katrice and I) had discussed the (much bigger) yugas, and we had come to recent "New Aeons" being announced after only less than a century and a quarter - thus her comment.
Okay sure, I am aware of the Thelemic canon there, but where did that come from? Just a few notes from Crowley? What tradition was he informed by?
For the current Aeon, what Thelema refers to as the Aeon of Horus, as announced by Crowley.
Oh I agree I am quite familiar with Thelemic canon here, but how was he measuring an Aeon? I've read all the books. His concepts of Aeons align with a few thought systems of the times, Freudian thinking too. An "aeon of the mother" then the "father" and then the "child" is very old and ancient dialectical patterns. "Aeons" is a Greek concept, the emanations of the divine are experienced through Aeons. "Kalachakra" or Time Wheel measures the passage of time for the tantrics, the "Yugas" are all over the place in interpretation in terms of time frames. The 'turnings of the wheel of dharma' are also coincidentally counted in "threes", Crowleys Aeon of the Child does align with the third turning.
What all of these systems share in common is some variation of what is simply the "two truths document" which was introduced into the Bhagavad Gita, and then continued to evolve as time changed. Some systems reflect a much earlier interpretation of the two truths as they existed 2000 even 3000 years ago.
The "two truths" are not simply occult, in the east, they became the basis for law, governance and commerce. "Magick" was just the civilization building tool, carrying the "two truths" through generations of reflection, implementation, and 'active imagination'.
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
but where did that come from? Just a few notes from Crowley? What tradition was he informed by?
As noted, the 2000-year deal is a childish metaphor by O.M. that pretends to link the Aeons with the Astrological Houses ... but the math is incorrect and the sync between 1904 and Aquarius is off by 500 or 600 years. After long discussions, nobody here buys this, except as an attempt to step everything down to the understanding level of a homeless street person who has no college degree or metaphysical degree.
He also reported that the Aeon had no fixed earth time (time being different over there).
Then I listed, what?, 5,6 or 7 Aeon lengths, mostly based on AC notions and facts.
Since there is no mention of how long the Aeon will last in AL, then any Thelemic Cannon is only capable of shooting grapeshot, each shot being of a different weight ... except for the Slippin' & Slidin' approach, which is not fixed or limited by astro, numbers, or notions.
However, I look to the fulfillment (fullkillment?) of Ch 3 before signing off on Horus' License to Depart. He says I will deal hardly with them. Who is "them?"
What do you think, Katrice? Is it ...
The 2000 years model does not hold up to a study of history, not to mention that there was no age where Isis or Osiris ruled universally on a global scale.
My own take is that they represent stages of humanity's development that also mirror stages of personal development as well.
Isis- hunter gatherers, living dependent on nature's conditions for survival
Osiris- introduction of agriculture, creation of permanent settlements leading to cities and taking more charge of and creating our own environments becoming the default. Instilling order and structure in order to facilitate survival leading to growth
Horus- humanity has been nurtured by Isis and given discipline by Osiris and can take development more to the individual level, creating ourselves.
While the Yugas were indeed an early model, people like Joachim of Flores posited shorter ages similar to Crowley's, which seems to also be where Maria de Naglowska got her model.
"Aeons" is a Greek concept, the emanations of the divine are experienced through Aeons.
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The "two truths" are not simply occult, in the east, they became the basis for law, governance and commerce.
The Mandate of Heaven, the Laws of Manu, Shinto. The idea of civilization ordered by divine law was also a concept much loved by Evola.
The 2000 years model does not hold up to a study of history, not to mention that there was no age where Isis or Osiris ruled universally on a global scale.
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I would agree that history hasn't divided itself up quite that neatly.
But it may be of interest to some that there was a theory postulated over a century ago by Sri Yukteswar that Precession lasts only about 24,000 years, and thus each 'age' would be about 2,000 years. This has recently been taken up again by folks who believe the sun is part of a binary system, which explains precession better than the alleged 'wobble' of the earth's axis. Part of the evidence for this is that precession is speeding up, as one would expect from Kepler's laws if the solar system was on an elliptical orbit.
https://binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/calculations/100-year-test/
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My own take is that they represent stages of humanity's development that also mirror stages of personal development as well.
My own "last act" was to present the Aeons, as you say, in terms of personal development. In Appendix IV ["The Fourth Degree"], the Aeons are ...
Isis = Mama takes care of you
Osiris = Go to School
Horus = You graduate and become self-sufficient, if you have not already run away and become self-sufficient.
Maat = Well, this is really what the text and pictures are about, and yes there's a feather involved. Have you read it? I will re-post the link if you need/want/will/desire/etc a copy.
Sri Yukteswar that Precession lasts only about 24,000 years
This statement, from the O.M. time-period, may well be the general or specific source of OM's 2K statement. The article goes deeper and brings a whole new view of the grand cycle.
I would agree that history hasn't divided itself up quite that neatly.
Well, as history is simply a fabrication, and emerges solely from the rise and fall of nation states, what does change over large expanses of time are discussions about 'absolute/relative' truth, but as it also plays out in governance and culture. Also called "the historical dialectic"––this is what moves history, is history, and does change, conversations. The types of conversations a civilization has is the type of civilization they have. Change the convo, change the society.
Isn't that what Crowley was a master of? influencing the cultural conversation?
Horus = You graduate and become self-sufficient, if you have not already run away and become self-sufficient.
Maat = Well, this is really what the text and pictures are about, and yes there's a feather involved. Have you read it? I will re-post the link if you need/want/will/desire/etc a copy.
Horus and Maat are really the same aeon, Crowley's perspective was just on the destruction of the old aeon, which has to happen for the new one (Maat) to bloom. Maybe others disagree.
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
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yes I meant the gnostics when i said "greeks", oye! thanks for that.
Time is something different from the non-dual view, because Time is fundamental as a component of mind. the word "zeitgiest" also means "time spirit". Kalachakra is "time wheel". Time is our collective higher mind.
Lee Cronin, a wild and creative astro-biologist believes he can prove that time is actually the fundamental component of the universe.
what a fun thread
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
Lee Cronin, a wild and creative astro-biologist believes he can prove that time is actually the fundamental component of the universe.
LOL...Note the last name, Cronin, not far removed from Chronos...
As regards the statement "time is actually the fundamental component of the universe". Well as a value system, hitting the mark, what ever that may be, does require timing...
Batter up!...and they say the sequence yielded something timeless....
Does that have something to do with Bornless
Batter up!...and they say the sequence yielded something timeless....
Does that have something to do with Bornless
Kalachakra informs us that is the absolute reality, the absolute truth, bornless, without form. "Time" as it presents to us in the "relative" reality is forwards and backwards time, and in its absolute state, beyond all concepts
Good find on Cronin!
Of course is he thinking like a naturalist, so he means the fundamental component of the physical universe is time, not space, just time.
He has not yet connected that time is mind yet, but he will get there soon enough I predict 🙂
"If you have come to help me, then you are wasting your time, but if you are here because your liberation is bound together with mine, then let us work together." Lilla Watson
2148 (25,772 years for a full precession / divided by 12 astros = 2148
Oops - using these last figures, and employing one half of the 250-yr transition period, my projected "tipping point" of 2039 now becomes an incredible 2023 (does that year ring a bell?)
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Well, its 2023 and I've discovered a simple and elegant way to combine the Zodiacal age of 2148 years and the Sothic cycle of 1461 years in one diagram.
The famous Sothic Cycle was the backward drift on the Egyptian Civil Calendar of 365 days against the seasons. Since they employed no Leap Days, the heliacal rising of Sothis/Sopdet/Sirius moved backward 1 day every four years. It returned to the same date of the year after 1461 civil years.
The modern calculation of axial precession of the equinoxes is ~25,776 years. Dividing this by 12, it takes 2148 years to transit one sign of the zodiac, so this is the length of a Zodiacal Age.
Let us take the number 2148 and make it the perimeter of an equilateral rhombus, with sides of 537. The incircle radius is then ~232.528
Now we make a circle within this rhombus, using the incircle radius:
The circumference of this circle is 1461.01, which is the number of years in the Sothic Cycle.
So a rhombus whose perimeter is the number of years in one Zodiacal Age, contains a circle whose perimeter is the length of one Sothic Cycle. Both of these measurements are in years, so they are commensurate, and both track the backward movement of position in space against the forward progress of Time.
A rhombus can of course fit within the design of the vesica piscis. Here are the measurements using the rhombus of 537:
The perimeter of the vesica is 2249.155; this can be rounded to 2249. This number is quite special; it is the sum of the letter-names of alef-mem-vav-nun spelled with final values:
831 = אלף
650 = מים
12 = וו
756 = נון
2249 = total = AMUN spelled 'in full'. Thus it is Amun that symbolizes the vesica enclosing the rhombus that measures the cycles of Sothis and the Zodiacal Age.
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