Wow, I just saw that I am a member for 20 years now. I wanted to take the opportunity and thank Paul (and all his helpers) and all of you out there for what was and is without a doubt the best online experience I have had and still have. So many questions were answered here, no wonder there aren't as many question around as in the first decade. I found wonderful people here, some I met in person, some I am sure if I would ring their doorbell late at night they would welcome this German stranger, I also found deep knowledge here, very refreshing humour, good fighting (as brothers mostly) and also the absolute strangest weirdos. Before LAShTAL I have been a member of various Thelemic yahoo groups and that was an experience that nearly drove me away forever from occulture. Then I found this site. 20 years ago. Wow. Thanks, Paul, for everything. I still hope for that LAShTAL convention where everybody has to bring his Jephthah.
Yeah, 20 years for the forum as we know it today! Paul has done a great job curating it through MANY weird episodes. Always loved your contributions as well, Lutz. Amongst the best, hands down.
I've not been posting as of late but still do my daily lurk. I can certainly say that many significant discoveries and events in my life can be traced back to participation in these forums. Paul and his crew are owed a perpetual debt of gratitude for making this site an ongoing reality.
some I am sure if I would ring their doorbell late at night they would welcome this German stranger
You'd be welcome on my doorstep, Lutz!
As a newb with only 17 years here, i agree with all above. Thank you so much, Paul, for the best thing on the internet.
No need for a doorbell at my house, as my Hell-Hounds will inform me of your arrival, but you are assured of a warm welcome.
What proverb is that, Michael? Baffled here.
Perhaps with the population explosion, we are now only allocated Five?
Yah, the proverb was/is 15. However, my own infamous experience (not some silly guess) involved a few articles, mainly in the Lost Angeles Tymes, and I read them all, with it taking about 5 minutes total.
But then some people get more famous time (Jesus, Mo, Mao, Lao, Cruise, Madona, Crowley, even Waite), like hours or years. It is not fair to those who measure worth in units of fame. Money would be better. But obviously, there is a sliding scale.
20 years
Uh-huh. And in that time, now even greater, can you confirm or deny the general statement (Wilber) that after 20 years, or so, a certain (very low) frequency gets established in consciousness that is, more or less, available at any time ?
Note: I was about to name (number) the frequency and describe the general effect, but I'll take a chance and let that slide for now in hopes that the thread will not be crocked or clocked before I get a chance to float it.
I don't post very often, but I do visit frequently. I join in the thankings of you for creating (and curating) this site Paul. Not sure if I'm 16 or 17, but I'll find out once I post 🙂
It is me, the magick hole hare!
Just kidding
Just want to echo the sentiments of Lutz.
Him and Markus are my favourite Germans.
At any rate it's been an honour to be a part of this site and meet so many interesting people.
A few of the forum who got into drugs and stuff and don't post but as Shiva says the Path is hard and long.
I love you all
It is me, the magick hole hare!
Eek! You just scared 34 incarnations off my wheel of rebirth..
Just kidding
Too late.
A few of the forum who got into drugs and stuff and don't post ...
Is that what happened to those who disappeared?
but as Shiva says the Path is hard and long.
Did I say that?
Hard? Well, yes. It's hard because one is living a normal 3D life while carrying on the work on a parallel track, which is known as "the dual life of the disciple." I believe you are familiar with this juggling act, which is made easier by keeping one's esoteric mouth shut in public.
After a while, did I mention 20 years?, daily life and the Path get closer together, and it becomes less hard. At a certain point, it becomes easy.
Long? Did I mention 20 years?
These statements do not get anybody off the hook automatically after 20 years. I know one initiate who has been "involved" for exactly 20 years. She has made no observable progress in that time. Does she do the work ? Well, do does what other people tell her to do ... for a short time. But, no, she does not do any self-generated practices.
Also, 20 years does not end the Path
Dwtw
I became a member here at Lashtal 19 years ago today.
As the MH of TMT, I greatly appreciate all the effort expended
to provide a home that has been well tended
for the Aleister Crowley Society.
Thanks to Paul, and one and all!
Litllwtw
Omega Logion
And in that time, now even greater, can you confirm or deny the general statement (Wilber) that after 20 years, or so, a certain (very low) frequency gets established in consciousness that is, more or less, available at any time ?
I can. But I am not sure I always like it - or understand it. Of course my "path", though heavily interrupted at several points, goes way longer than these 20 Lashtal years. I know where to go to, but I admittedly too often not go. Because things.
I know where to go to, but I admittedly too often not go. Because things.
Those "things" are no small matter. I had a chat with a Zen Buddhist once. He related an anecdote about a well known Sage whose child had died. The Master was weeping bitterly. One of of his disciples approached him and said "Master, I am sorry for your loss but haven't you been telling us all this time that all these phenomenal things are an illusion?" The Master replied "Yes, I have told you such. But this...this is a SUPER ILLUSION!"
And as far as "things" go, one person may merrily skip through something that causes another to struggle for decades. The one who struggles is not necessarily spiritually or magically inferior. For we are all unique scenarios of "set" and "setting."
This is why many who dole out "one size fits all" advice may offer little or no help. This includes yappity "Thelemites" who parrot "Just do the Work!"
"The Work" is a nuanced thing and it is filled with serious trials. To some these will seem as "Tempests in Teacups." But these "Teacups" may decide the Fate of the World.
ANY TROLLS
Distractions
I can. But I am not sure I always like it - or understand it.
I see (by reading the screen).
There seems to be a division hither empty-ward. That is, such qualities as like or non-understanding would not apply to the "frequency" to which I refer ...
The Supernal Order, that vast and great Temple in the Sky (Upper Sky - Outer Space - Nuit) is actually not "out there." Behold within, and not above, One Star in Sight.
The brainwave "frequency" of entry into the Inner Silence is 4.0 cps/Hz. The exact frequency may vary a little with each participant. At this point/portal, all visual activity ceases, along with linear mental distinctions.
To go past this gate (4.0 - and lower - on the brainometer, if you have one), it is peaceful, not necessarily ecstatic, although the sensation-hungry practitioner will amplify the peace to get a thrill ... and this will bring them back above 4.0 and they will have visions. If the visions make them important, they have failed the test (to stay centered), but they can always try again.
I have now described both getting out as well as coming back in, which may be used as an addendum to Liber 333, Ch 23, "Get Out.," and there need be no misunderstanding on anyone's part hereafter.
That "frequency."
@shiva I just wanted to give the real simon iff an object lesson in distractions.
There seems to be a division hither empty-ward. That is, such qualities as like or non-understanding would not apply to the "frequency" to which I refer ...
I misunderstood you then and I am not surprised. I wanted to convey that after all this years there is a special kind of "let's call it out-of-me-in-peace"-state that I can reach quite easily, mainly with the help of sound and relaxing techniques. It's that state I talked about before here, where I listen to a few minutes of "special" music and when it ends I find that several hours have gone. No sleep involved. That's what I do not understand though I usually like it. But also usually there is so much distraction. I do hope when I get older and the stress and not-in-my-might things become significantly less, I will find away to dig much deeper into that. So please stay healthy, I might have some questions then.
@toadstoolwe Politics do not really distract me, especially not the blatant propaganda type. My distractions are coming from the heart and a mostly unstoppable hyperactive insomniac brain. It will take time, surroundings will change, I will get older, I will do less stupid stuff, until I will become the Best Armchair Magician of Super-Excellence!
Politics do not really distract me, especially not the blatant propaganda type. My distractions are coming from the heart and a mostly unstoppable hyperactive insomniac brain. It will take time, surroundings will change, I will get older, I will do less stupid stuff, until I will become the Best Armchair Magician of Super-Excellence!
I wish you luck with your hyperactive insomniac brain. There are sedatives that can help relax you. See your doctor and see what might be best for you. I am sure it is irritating to not be able to just relax your mind, and (In my case sleep) I have been taking Quetiapine. It helps me sleep, but it gives me vivid dreams. (A common side effect) I am sure you will be the best armchair magician of Super-Excellence.
the Best Armchair Magician of Super-Excellence!
It is not necessary to re-dress, get up, light incense, and make gestures ... these are practice modes for the beginner. There is no reason why an elderly gent in an armchair could not accept or change the world ... if he only had the proper links.
It is not necessary to re-dress, get up, light incense, and make gestures ... these are practice modes for the beginner. There is no reason why an elderly gent in an armchair could not accept or change the world ... if he only had the proper links.
This is one of the best posts I've ever read on this site.
when I get older and the stress and not-in-my-might things become significantly less, I will find away to dig much deeper into that.
Yes. As we all (probably) know, the Hindus have this tradition where the primary householder gets his kids raised and his wife stabilized, and then he disappears into the jungle ... to become Sannysasin .
My own experience in the USA was not so harsh, but then I did the Sannyasin thing back in '69, and it was easy then.
Later, 2005, there I was fully employed, happy with my work, suitably married, and the whole external matrix began to crumble. My place of employment actually shut down. My Vitae, sent to other schools went unanswered. "It is time to get out of here," my wife announced. I applied for Social security, so that getting out didn't mean "no income" in some rural paradise where there is no work.
Then we bailed out, together - I don't know if that qualifies for Sannyasin, but it's worked out just fine.
Perdurabo warned us that Yoga cannot be performed inside civilization, and he was right. The distractions, you know.
Oh, yeah, he demonstrated doing the 5=6 inside societal scenery, and he claimed "success." However (there's always a butt), there was mention of mescaline in his diary of that time, see John St John, so there is room to discount his claim in full.
I don't know how all this will work out in Germany during a global conflict with green energy restrictions and with digital currency AI tracking the movement of every Sannyasin, but so what ?