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  • #103845

    wellreadwellbred
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    Question from me to Los: “… does “Aiwass” of Thelema represent something certainly existing, or something certainly real?” (Source: My reply #76692 in: Cleansing & charging a new Lapis Lazuli & silver ring — https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/cleansing-charging-a-new-lapis-lazuli-silver-ring/page/20/#post-76692)

    Answer from Los: ““Aiwass” can be read as representing the energy of 418. Hence, he is the “minister” of the Silent Self.” (Source: Los’ reply #76693 in: Cleansing & charging a new Lapis Lazuli & silver ring — https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/cleansing-charging-a-new-lapis-lazuli-silver-ring/page/20/#post-76693)

    “Follow up question from kidneyhawk to Los: “What? You sound like Kidneyhawk here. “Energy of 418?” “Silent Self?” These descriptions seem to be themselves representations. Metaphors for metaphors?

    Could you please define the “Energy of 418” and let us know what evidence there is that such a thing ought to be taken seriously?” (Source: kidneyhawk’s reply #76694 in: Cleansing & charging a new Lapis Lazuli & silver ring — https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/cleansing-charging-a-new-lapis-lazuli-silver-ring/page/20/#post-76694)

    Answer from Los to kidneyhawk: “The enumeration of the word Abrahadabra, which expresses 5=6 (5 A’s and 6 consonants), the union of the microcosm and macrocosm. The word (and its number) is a glyph for the fact that the True Self is intertwined inseperably with All (and all-possibility, Nuit). If it were not for the Khu producing the illusion of separateness, this True Self would have no way to experience anything. See Liber Aleph for an examination of the word as a metaphor for certain sex magick techniques.

    “Silent Self?”

    The True Self, the one that an individual can observe by silencing the conscious mind. The True Self doesn’t speak (in the sense of producing thoughts), it goes. Hence, it’s the silent self.

    As noted above, the Silent/True Self is united with Nuit, and hence 418 (Abrahadabra, Aiwass) is a formula for expressing its place in the universe. …” (Source: Los’ reply #76696 in: Cleansing & charging a new Lapis Lazuli & silver ring — https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/cleansing-charging-a-new-lapis-lazuli-silver-ring/page/21/#post-76696)

    #103846

    dom
    Participant

    @wellbread

    Yeah me, Crowley and Los are driving at the same thing there with the Aiwass question. That is, just saying, there is no need to be a simpleton and ask if Aiwass is a leprechaun, an alien with an incredibly long lifespan, an ‘Ascended Master’ or a Greek god in disguise or the like. I can’t really add to what I wrote about it earlier with the inner dualistic “twin-god” self and the etymology of the word ‘minister’ etc.

    Thanks.

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    #103849

    Michael Staley
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    @dom

    Yeah me, Crowley and Los are driving at the same thing there with the Aiwass question.

    What an hilarious remark. In the most recent post by wellreadwellbred, Los appears to be talking about the union of the microcosm and the macrocosm (or more correctly, the realization of their identity). There’s been no remark from you in this thread which goes remotely in this direction.

    #103850

    Shiva
    Participant

    WRWB: The True Self, the one that an individual can observe by silencing the conscious mind. The True Self doesn’t speak (in the sense of producing thoughts), it goes. Hence, it’s the silent self.

    Hey! You’re giving away the innermost secret. You’ll have to report, within 24 hours, to the Aero-pagus and take an Oath of Secrecy.

    Seriously, you hit the nail right on the (non) head of the whole path and its accompanying circus.

    It goes … via passive intuition or by active wisdom. The key is “non-thought production.”

    As noted above, the Silent/True Self is united with Nuit, and hence 418 (Abrahadabra, Aiwass) is a formula for expressing its place in the universe.

    This [^] is an example of “thought production.” It adds words and terms and names and numbers as a further explanation of going without thought.

    #103851

    wellreadwellbred
    Participant

    Los: “As noted above, the Silent/True Self is united with Nuit, and hence 418 (Abrahadabra, Aiwass) is a formula for expressing its place in the universe. …” (Source: Los’ reply #76696 in: Cleansing & charging a new Lapis Lazuli & silver ring — https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/cleansing-charging-a-new-lapis-lazuli-silver-ring/page/21/#post-76696)

    Michael Staley: “It doesn’t have “its place in the universe”. It IS the universe.” (Source: Michael Staley’s reply #76704 in: Cleansing & charging a new Lapis Lazuli & silver ring — https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/cleansing-charging-a-new-lapis-lazuli-silver-ring/page/21/#post-76704)

    With respect to Michael Staley’s apparent statement in reply to Los, concerning that the Silent/True Self “… doesn’t have “its place in the universe”. It IS the universe.”, Los have stated that the term A.’.A.’. understood as “an eternal order”, “… is the universe itself …”:

    Los: “The term A.’.A.’. is used to refer both to a terrestrial group founded by Aleister Crowley and George Cecil Jones — from which several terrestrial groups today claim to descend — and to an eternal order of which all the terrestrial groups are reflections. This eternal order might be thought of as the “order of things” — that is to say, it is the universe itself, which works according to regular laws that can be studied and learned.

    Crowley suggests as much in several places, including the part of the Confessions that gets quoted a lot in these discussions: “Many people may go through the ordeals and attain the degrees of the A.’. A.’. without ever hearing that such an Order exists. The universe is, in fact, busy with nothing else, for the relation of the Order to it is that of the man of science to his subject. He writes CaCl2 + H2SO4 = CaSO4 + 2HCl for his own convenience and that of others, but the operation was always in progress independently.”” (Source: Los’ reply #101006 in: A.’.A.’. in relation to terrestrial groups — https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/a-a-in-relation-to-terrestrial-groups/#post-101006)

    Shiva: It [= The True Self, the one that an individual can observe by silencing the conscious mind. ] goes … via passive intuition or by active wisdom. The key is “non-thought production.”

    How this Silent/True Self “goes … via passive intuition or by active wisdom.”, is apparently aligned with “the flow of the universe”. Considering 418 (Abrahadabra, Aiwass) being a formula for expressing the Silent/True Self united with Nuit, and hence its place in the universe, as stated by Los, and that the Silent/True Self “IS the universe.”, as apparently stated by Micahel Staley.

    #103858

    dom
    Participant

    @michaelstaley

    What an hilarious remark. In the most recent post by wellreadwellbred, Los appears to be talking about the union of the microcosm and the macrocosm (or more correctly, the realization of their identity). There’s been no remark from you in this thread which goes remotely in this direction.

    Wow you really haven’t been following the thread properly have you? We’re discussing the construct that is Aiwass. No i wasn’t talking directly about numerology or microcosm in relation to macrocosm but so what?

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    #103862

    Michael Staley
    Participant

    @dom

    Several things are being discussed in this thread, but I take your point.

    #103865

    Tiger
    Participant

    Is this point being bought with the flip side of the currency or from the circus side ?

    #103867

    Michael Staley
    Participant

    @tiger

    Both; and yet, neither. It’s 0 = 2, all over again.

    @dom

    It would be helpful if in your posts you indicated to which post you were commenting or replying. For instance, your post was preceded by one from wellreadwellbred and I thought you were commenting on that.

    #103954

    wellreadwellbred
    Participant

    frater_anubis (OP): “I would like to start a topic on the nature and identity of Aiwass, who by Crowley’s account dictated Liber Legis in April 1904. […] who or what was this entity that delivered Liber Legis to the Prophet during the Cairo Working?”

    “Crowley made Aiwass coterminous with Ra-Hoor-Khuit/Horus in attributing them both to Kether.

    He claims in Liber Samekh that they are the same.

    He claims that it took him 16(?) years to realize that RHK is his Angel cloaked in martial symbols.

    IAO131” (Source: — http://www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2364&start=25)

    (“Kether: The First “Emanation” of the Absolute. Kether is in Malkuth and Malkuth is in Kether, but after another manner, Malkuth reflects Kether, for that which is above is like that which is below, and that which is below is like that which is above. (Crowley’s Little Essays Towards Truth)” (Source: https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Kether)

    “Harpocrates is the God of Silence; and this silence has a very special meaning. […] The first is Kether, the pure Being invented as an aspect of pure Nothing. In his manifestation, he is not One, but Two; he is only One because he is 0.” […]

    “I. SILENCE [From Little Essays toward Truth.] […] For this attitude there is sound traditional authority; Harpocrates, God of Silence, is called “The Lord of Defence and Protection”. […] this is the Aeon of Horus: it is He who sent forth Aiwass His [= Hoor-paar-kraat’s] minister to proclaim its advent. […]

    “XX. THE AEON
    In this card it has been necessary to depart completely from the tradition of the cards, in order to carry on that tradition […] Around the top of the card is the body of Nuith, the star-goddess, who is the category of unlimited possibility; her mate is Hadit, the ubiquitous point-of-view, the only philosophically tenable conception of Reality. He is represented by a globe of fire, representing eternal energy; winged, to show his power of Going. As a result of the marriage of these two, the child Horus is born. He is, however, known under his special name, Heru-ra-ha. A double god; his extroverted form is Ra-hoor-khuit; and his passive or introverted form Hoor-pa kraat. (See above, the Formula of Tetragrammaton). He is also solar in character, and is therefore shown coming forth in golden light.” (Source: Crowley’s The Book of Thoth, The Atu (Keys or Trumps) — https://hermetic.com/crowley/book-of-thoth/atu)

    “[29] In the Ontology of the New Aeon, whose prime theorem is 0 = 2, Kether exists only as the Child of any Marriage of one particular Hadit with one particular aspect of Nuit. There are thus as many Kethers as there are positive possibilities. More, Kether is not in any case a sole Unity, for each Marriage produces a Twin, […] There is a positive “Third Being”, a Kether; and there is an Ecstasy, or dissolution into Nothing, by the same Event. One is the Magical, the other the Mystical, Result of an Act of Love under Will.” (Source: Crowley’s The Vision and the Voice, The Cry of the 21st Aethyr, Which is Called ASP, endnote 29. The Vision and the Voice — http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr21.htm)

    #103955

    Shiva
    Participant

    WRWB: He [AC] claims that it took him 16(?) years to realize that RHK is his Angel cloaked in martial symbols.

    OK. But he al;so stated that the “Angel” idea was outlandish, or absurd, or ridiculous, or some adjective that was posted here on some thread not too long ago. He also associated Aiwass with some Sumerian demon-god.

    According to AC, at different times and in different books, that Aiwass was a man, an Ipsissimus, etc, etc.

    I prefer the concept that Aiwass was/is Crowley at Kether, and that he (Aiwass) dropped down to Tiphereth in order to introduce himself and dictate Liber AL to the demon Crowley, who got confused about it for awhile, and then started identifying hm (Aiwass) with all sorts of things, people, and archetypes.

    He (AC) also said that it was all in his mind/consciousness, and that it simply more convenient to assign all these things to an external entity. This, of course, is acceptable because many people contact (or are contacted by) some part of their unconscious, perceiving that contact as an external or higher entity – without even thinking it’s just a part of their Self.

    #113309

    wellreadwellbred
    Participant

    Jamie J Barter: “… logically it follows on that if Aiwass was indeed a kosher Secret Chief who had communicated […] once there is absolutely no reason why he would not do so again – in fact the opposite is the case, that it seems more unlikely that he shouldn’t…” (Source: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/aiwass/page/4/#post-98042)

    According to the following quoted from page 172 in Richard Kaczynski’s 2010 published book Perdurabo, The Life of Aleister Crowley, Revised and Expanded Edition, “Liber VII” was “… the first of a series of “Holy Books” that Crowley claimed were dictated by his holy guardian angel, Aiwass.”

    #113315

    Shiva
    Participant

    Crowley also wrote (source lost in damaged brain cells) that he “had a say” in all the Class A books, but not Liber AL … that was a completely non-elf, channeled, “automatic writing,” dictated experience. Paraphrasing lavishly embellished by Shiva, but it delivers the gist.

    So … he claimed AL was absolutely not the work of himself, but he conjured up a dialog with the author of the first book (probably enhanced an catalyzed by medicinal substances), presenting such dialogs in mystical prose.

    #113316

    wellreadwellbred
    Participant

    As for the nature of Aiwass, this Aiwass appears to be identical with one “V.V.V.V.V. […] an exalted adept of the rank of Master of the Temple”, described in verse 29. and 30. in Liber 61 or Liber vel Causae, written by AC in 1907:

    “29. Also one V.V.V.V.V. arose, an exalted adept of the rank of Master of the Temple (or this much He disclosed to the Exempt Adepts) and His utterance is enshrined in the Sacred Writings.

    30. Such are Liber Legis [= The Book of the Law], Liber Cordis Cincti Serpente, Liber Liberi vel Lapidis Lazuli and such others whose existence may one day be divulged unto you. Beware lest you interpret them either in the Light or in the darkness, for only in L.V.X. may they be understood.”

    Kaczynski which in his AC biography Perdurabo states that “Liber VII” was “… the first of a series of “Holy Books” that Crowley claimed were dictated by his holy guardian angel, Aiwass.”, is a member of the current OTO, and has had access to its archive writing this biography. But I don’t know if is the official position of the current OTO that The Book of the Law and all the “Holy Books” of Thelema were dictated by AC’s HGA.

    “… The Messiah was not Aleister Crowley; despite all his genius, which is undeniable, he was merely the scribe for a greater Adept. Neither does V.V.V.V.V. only represent a motto for Aleister Crowley. Frater Perdurabo, upon attaining to Magister Templi, took a motto with these initials of the A.’.A .’. It would be improper to discuss this matter openly in this place. However, it is essential to understand that V.V.V.V.V. is another Magister entirely, individual and unique, insofar as such terms apply above the Abyss.” (Source: The 2009 edition of J. Daniel Gunther’s book Initiation In The Æon of the Child – The Inward Journey, page 124 and page 125.)

    #113317

    wellreadwellbred
    Participant

    In Liber Porta Lucis sub figura X [“The Book of the Gate of Light under the number 10”], a “Class A” text considered a Holy Book of Thelema, written December 12, 1907, a “V.V.V.V.V.” is described “as a ray of my light, as a messenger”, sent forth “from the Ages beyond the Ages, from the Space beyond your vision” to “Men and women of the Earth”.

    This “V.V.V.V.V.” appears to represent the Messiah hinted at by J. Daniel Gunther on page 124 and 125 in the 2009 edition of his book Initiation In The Æon of the Child – The Inward Journey.

    “Crowley’s descriptions [of Liber Porta Lucis sub figura X]

    “This book is an account of the sending forth of the Master by the A∴ A∴ and an explanation of his mission […] X. Porta Lucis, the Gate of Light, is one of the titles of Malkuth, whose number is X.”
    —Liber 207: A Syllabus of the Official Instructions of the A∴A∴
    “LIBER X. This book is called ‘The Gate of Light’. It explains how those who have attained initiation, taking pity upon the darkness and minuteness of the earth, send forth a messenger to men. The message follows. It is an appeal to those who, being developed beyond the average of their fellows, see fit to take up the Great Work. This Work is then described in general terms with a few hints of its conditions.”
    —Confessions, chapter 69″ (Source: Quoted from https://iao131.com/commentaries/liber-porta-lucis-sub-figura-x/ – – – written by one IAO131.)

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