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  • #104304

    thothsape
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    Hi all,

    I bet you know Vivian Stanshall, the Bonzo Dog Doodah Band’s deceased(?) singer? Well, his name is interesting – in fact very interesting for us:

    VIVIAN = 666:
    VI (6) VI (6) AN (1 + 1+4 = 6)

    STANSHALL: LASHTAL

    Though an S + N are left over:
    N (14) + S (19) = 33

    Not a chance in hell this is by coincidence.

    What do you think? You may slander my name all over the place or tell me I’m a wise man. I know only fools rush in.

    #104310

    ignant666
    Participant

    A couple weeks too late for April Fools, so i suppose it is possible you are serious. If so:

    Your “gematria” on “Vivian” uses two different systems- reading the repeated “vi” as Roman numerals “VI”, and then for the “AN”, you use ordinal values, with digits of two digit ordinal numbers added (ie, “N” is the 14th letter, so you value it at “1 + 4”) to get where you want to get- “lust of result”?

    Also, why don’t you add the digits you extract (6 + 6 + 4 + 1) to get 17? Alternatively, “V” is the 22d letter, and “I” is the ninth letter- why not stick with ordinals (since not all letters have Roman numeral equivalents), and thus 2 + 2 + 9 + 2 + 2 + 9 + 1 + 1 + 4 = 32?

    Then for “Stanshall”, on the other hand, you extract a subset of letters (the ones that spell “Lashtal”), and use ordinal values, but do not for some reason add the digits of two digit ordinal numbers in this case (or your “result” would be 15 (1 + 4 + 1 + 9 =15)).

    “Stanshall” was his family surname. It is true he adopted the name “Vivian” in adult life, but it was his father’s birth name. His father was born Vivian and changed his name to Victor; our Vivian did the opposite.

    You say that there is “not a chance in hell this is by coincidence”. Who would you posit is doing the message-encoding here?

    Is it possible that the artifact originates in your perception, not the source material? Using your methods, i suspect it is possible to extract messages from the Dog Star from the phonebook.

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    #104315

    Shiva
    Participant

    ape: Not a chance in hell this is by coincidence.
    What do you think?

    I think you have learned the Crowley version of QBL very well ideed.

    Mixing up Roman numerals with the QBL of 9 numbers to arrive at a number that has “Though an S + N are left over:” tells us all that maybe you need to go back to remedial math class and start over.

    Next thing we know, you’ll be telling us how the dog has cracked the AL code.

    Ig: … it is possible to extract messages from the Dog Star from the phonebook.

    Now you’re getting serious. My phoneybook also indicates that I am the lofty chosen one from Serious, and furthermore that the Ape of Thoth is living up to his reputation.

    I am sorry to report that the candidate has failed his examination to pass from Hod to Netzach. Better luck next time (hahaha rings down the hallowed hall of hilarity).

    #104318

    elitemachinery
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    #104319

    ignant666
    Participant

    elitemachinery: [GONG]

    Possible pot/kettle issues here?

    “Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?” Matthew 7:4; see also Luke 6:41

    #104324

    elitemachinery
    Participant

    @thothsape said:

    STANSHALL: LASHTAL

    Though an S + N are left over:

    genius!

    @ignant666 said:

    Possible pot/kettle issues here?

    Perhaps. But I don’t recall you tearing apart my gematria and numerology like you did above. The thread is still open so feel free to attack if you wish.

    Everyone deserves their day in court. And you and Shiva pretty much summed it up above. This post is probably a troll joker anyways.

    @shiva said:

    hahaha rings down the hallowed hall of hilarity

    Gong!

    #104352

    dom
    Participant

    What do you think? You may slander my name all over the place or tell me I’m a wise man. I know only fools rush in.

    I think bands like this or The Fugs at the end of the 60s who namecheck Crowley are further from the war-engine of the aeon than the ones who don’t have to. Dee Dee Ramone or Eddie Cochrane could teach you more about the aeon and Crowley than these guys.

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    #104355

    ignant666
    Participant

    The point of the thread, david, is that, far from name-checking AC, the Bonzos have nothing whatever to do with AC outside of some unusually delusional gematria-games.

    I don’t recall the Fugs ever mentioning AC either. Ed Sanders was not exactly a Crowley fan, as any reader of The Family knows. I can’t recall if he slanders Shiva personally or just the Solar Lodge of the OTO generally as cultists and possible murder-zombies, but he certainly is in the John Symonds camp as to The Demon Crowley.

    Your final point about some artists who never mention AC, and probably never heard of him, telling us more about the 93 Current than bands that wear their Crowley-fandom on their sleeves is well-taken.

    It is surprising to hear you make this point, though, since you were so vociferous in denouncing this exact same point when i made it in connection with the death of free-jazz god Ornette Coleman a few years back.

    #104357

    dom
    Participant

    Don’t know what the Coleman reference is about. The Fugs used a photo of Crowley in his appalling beard-phase in one of their album sleeves and Coil and Throbbing Gristle are absolute swill also.

    Gematria shouldn’t have to be complicated. I’ll get around to buying a Hebrew to English dictionary I guess. Disappointing that Crowley faffed around with Roman numerals to fudge results.

    #104359

    ignant666
    Participant

    Which Fugs album is that, david? All the ones i’m familiar with have pictures of the band, and i wonder why Sanders would put a picture of someone he despised on his record.

    Since your memory is failing you:

    Ornette Coleman died 6/11/15 EV

    #104360

    dom
    Participant

    As i recall it was a copy of “It crawled into my hand” LP. Photo of Crowley on a donkey.

    #104365

    Michael Staley
    Participant

    @dom

    Disappointing that Crowley faffed around with Roman numerals to fudge results.

    Could you please provide an example to back up your assertion that Crowley “faffed around with Roman numerals to fudge results”?

    #104366

    dom
    Participant

    @michaelstayley


    Could you please provide an example to back up your assertion that Crowley “faffed around with Roman numerals to fudge results”

    Yeah sure here;

    Gematria in Liber LVIII

    Learned scholar Shiva points this out in the second post of that thread link.

    #104379

    Michael Staley
    Participant

    @dom

    Despite your casual “Yeah sure here”, there is no example in the thread to back up your assertion; you’ve simply taken Shiva’s word for it. He might well be right, but it’s striking that you parrot the assertion without wanting to see an example. I must sell you a bridge one day.

    #104391

    ignant666
    Participant

    But Michael, david only wants to see evidence for things that contradict his prejudices; anything that fits with his prejudices is swallowed whole.

    This is because he is a “Skeptic”.

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