April 23, 2018 at 8:23 pm #104405
I trust that Shiva is correct. I’d like to hear more about this Roman numeral Gematria issue.April 23, 2018 at 11:25 pm #104409
Shiva may perhaps be referring to instances such as LAShTAL = 93. To arrive at this, LA = 31 and of course its mirror, AL, also = 31. As for the middle bit, ShT, Crowley equates Shin with Atu XX, and T with Atu XI, thus total 31. Thus we get 31 + 31 + 31 = 93.
Personally I think this is a million miles away from the computations – I use the word advisedly – of the OP.
As a matter of interest, and despite Sepher Sephiroth, Crowley did not use gematria that much, and was – in the correspondence of 1936 between the two men – critical of Achad for what he considered his over-reliance on it.April 24, 2018 at 2:42 pm #104413
MS: Shiva may perhaps be referring to instances such as LAShTAL = 93.
Exactly so.April 24, 2018 at 5:48 pm #104416
How much evidence if any do you have for AC fudging Gematria with Roman Numerals?April 24, 2018 at 6:44 pm #104417
I think Shiva’s already answered that question in the post above yours. The LAShTAL instance appeared in Magick in Theory and Practice. I wouldn’t call it “fudging” though, since it was a word that – so far as I know – Crowley coined.
Besides, it’s not as if Gematria is precision engineering. Dictionaries such as Sepher Sephiroth give a number of different and diverse words totalling a specific number. It’s a question of context. A qabalist is generally trying to establish a case, to underpin an insight that he or she has already had; clearly, the appropriate materials will be selected for the construction.April 24, 2018 at 7:01 pm #104418
I think what david is asking for is an instance where AC used letters in a word or name as Roman numerals directly, as did the OP (the two VIs in “Vivian” each being 6, eg), rather than using Roman numeral values of letters, as in the “LAShTAL” example.April 24, 2018 at 7:46 pm #104419
Thanks for the clarification. I can’t recall ever coming across gematria from Crowley as you describe. but we’ll see if Shiva knows any. Personally I doubt it, but we’ll see.April 24, 2018 at 8:20 pm #104420
Yeah come to think of it, it sounds like Shiva has been totally misled on this issue. I mean it isn’t rocket science, each Hebrew letter has a number.
I think what david is asking for is an instance where AC
Don’t you think it’s a bit silly to keep referring to me as ‘david’? It’s going to confuse any new lurkers for a start. You’ve made your point (some time ago)and i suggest you get over it.
April 24, 2018 at 9:21 pm #104422
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Don’t you think it’s a bit silly to keep referring to me as ‘david’?
No.April 24, 2018 at 10:10 pm #104424
If you say so.
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