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    elitemachinery
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    In my search for modern day information and/or instruction on Magick I ran across a website called magick.me where Jason Louv (who lives in Los Angeles) gives instruction in Magick.

    This had me thinking. Aren’t we working with “old code” by not having updated materials on the subject? Are there other materials that I am unaware of? It seems that a lot of the books on the subject are very old world/secret society with information and rituals dating back to the dark ages?

    Computer operating systems have had many upgrades in the last 40 years from DOS to Windows to Linux and so on. While the physics of Magick and it’s elements may not change, our interpretation and understanding and use of them might?

    Aleister Crowley’s work will always be available as source material but it doesn’t need to be the last word on the subject.

    For selfish reasons it would be nice if I had a book to read called Magick 2.0 written by westerners with experience and knowledge. Someone who is not afraid to take Magick out of the 19th Century. Not that Magick needs to go mainstream. But it does seem that the code and wording and rituals could use an upgrade and that an “open source” practical guide in Magick and it’s the use in the 21st century would do well to continue it’s study and use for the foreseeable future.

    Jason Louv seems to me qualified to write such a book. Perhaps there are others. With input from someone like Shiva and others who have experiences and wisdom to share?

    Thoughts?

    #103289

    Sonofthoth
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    Well we’ve always got Franz Bardon, Kenneth Grant and Michael Aquino for starters

    #103374

    dom
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    In my search for modern day information and/or instruction on Magick I ran across a website called magick.me where Jason Louv (who lives in Los Angeles) gives instruction in Magick.
    This had me thinking. Aren’t we working with “old code” by not having updated materials on the subject? Are there other materials that I am unaware of? It seems that a lot of the books on the subject are very old world/secret society with information and rituals dating back to the dark ages?

    So how and why would illumination differ for a medieval European citizen compared to e.g. a modern American? This Louv character seems to be more of an essayist/cultural commentator than someone able enough to give practical instructions.

    He’s apparently teaching people about yoga;

    You’ll get a solid grounding in the true theory and practice of meditation. One caveat: I’m not a guru, I’m only a teacher. To make serious progress after learning the basics, you will likely have to make contact with people who have actually become enlightened through meditation (try here and here) and who are able to guide students long term. But start with this class, and you’ll be well on your way to walking the true, eternal, undying road of yoga.

    Not surprisingly he seems to be fond of Genesis P-Orridge who is a magick by numbers sort of teacher.

    I tend to think of Chaos Magic types as being denizens of Thelema’s dropout class. Perfect for the ADD generation.

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    #103381

    ignant666
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    I tend to think of Chaos Magic types as being denizens of Thelema’s dropout class.

    Stop the presses!! David/dom has said something that is actually sort of witty?!?

    One wonders if this is a case of the stopped clock being witty twice a day, or if we can actually expect more of this sort of thing from the young lad?

    As to the OT: Note that this Louv charges money for magick instruction; caveat emptor.

    #103382

    elitemachinery
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    @ignant666

    Jason Louv had a ridiculously low priced special to access all his courses for a month for I think $12 at one point so I signed up. I’m not against paying for things. I almost felt guilty taking him up on that offer.

    Jason has written several books and writes for magazines and blogs also. I’d like to see more from him.

    @sonofthoth

    I’m behind on my reading but perusing and trying to gather more info. Thanks for the tip on Franz Bardon I’m now checking out his work. I already have a lot of Israel Regardie and i’m aware of Lon Milo DuQuette of course. My reading is slow and comprehension is low but slowly improving. Kenneth Grant is very far out for me from what i’ve read. But I do have his book Remembering Aleister Crowley. I appreciate his compiling and editing much of Aleister’s volumes.

    @dom

    Aleister did a lot to explain and demystify his work in books like Magick Without Tears and Magick in Theory & Practice. I’d just like to see more innovation and experimentation and modernization by new authors who aren’t dead. Short of attracting Tony Robbins types promoting $3000 Magick Weekend seminars with 5000 attendees waving magic wands shouting “Do What Thou Wilt!” I would like to see more written about the subject and would encourage it. Modern usage in plain English. I think Jason Louv does a pretty good job of this. I’m not up on the who’s who who’s in/who’s out clicks of modern day Thelema/Chaos/OTO. =0)

    #103383

    dom
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    One wonders if this is a case of the stopped clock being witty twice a day, or if we can actually expect more of this sort of thing from the young lad?

    Don’t know how to take that.

    In my search for modern day information and/or instruction on Magick I ran across a website called magick.me where Jason Louv (who lives in Los Angeles) gives instruction in Magick.
    This had me thinking. Aren’t we working with “old code” by not having updated materials on the subject?

    All of these modern guys (the one’s worth their salt that is) will have worked through Crowley’s Liber E and Liber O http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/index.htm which are free online. I think if you work through those documents you will then have adequate real experience to know which writers on magic are full of shit…and why.

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    #103394

    elitemachinery
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    Interesting. I just received an email announcing a new book by Jason Louv on Magick. I was under the impression he was focused more on his crypto currency bitcoin courses these days. Looks like it’s being released in April. This is good news. I’d like to see more books by knowledgeable people still living. Congrats to Jason.

    This is a book I will read:

    John Dee and the Empire of Angels:
    A Massive New Book on Enochian Magick From Jason Louv

    Hey!

    It’s my great pleasure to announce to you the release of my new book: “John Dee and the Empire of Angels,” published by Inner Traditions. This is my Magnum Opus, and it’s now available for pre-order.

    This is a *massive* book. It tells the story of John Dee, Edward Kelly and their mind-bending sessions contacting Enochian angels. These are the sessions from which the core of modern magick originated—and the core of modern history itself.

    Along the way, I cover over 500 years of the secret occult history of the world. We explore the birth of Qabalistic magick in the Medici city states 500 years ago, the 20th century Enochian experiments of Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons, how magick has shaped our present world, and what the Apocalypse truly is.

    This is *the* definitive book on the occult—the best possible book I could write, uncovering layers upon layers of reality, revealing the shocking plans of the Enochian angels, and showing you the big picture of what Western magick actually is (and what reality is!). I’ve spent nearly every waking hour of the last three years pouring everything I’ve got into this book—blood, sweat and tears. That’s because I had to write the book I always wanted to read: The book that explains EVERYTHING.

    This is a hardcover book, full of beautiful full-color imagery and occult schematics, totaling almost 600 pages. It will be in bookstores everywhere in April—but I’m letting you know about it first.

    I’ve built a great Web site to show you the book, where you can read excerpts, get extra content and order the book so you’re one of the exclusive few to get it when it drops. Check it out at the link below:

    John Dee and the Empire of Angels

    This is the most important thing I’ve ever done, and I can’t wait for you to get your hands on it!

    – Jason

    https://johndee007.com/

    #103395

    ignant666
    Participant

    Thanks for the link.

    This looks like a truly outstandingly bad book, based on reading the material offered on his promo site. “Esoteric Protestantism” indeed!

    How can anyone possibly take this idiot seriously? The fact that his huckstering includes both this “occult” tosh, and the bitcoin scam, tells all one needs to know. He is a con-artist in it for the money.

    #103400

    elitemachinery
    Participant

    @ignant666

    Calm down Reilly full moon is not for two weeks..

    I usually like to read a book first before giving it a scathing review.

    As for that word, IDIOT, that you use so liberally…hmmm…Shiva used it recently too..

    As the founder and president of Idiot Synonymous, a 12 Step Program for Idiots, i’ve found that those with the most acute cases of idiocy often go undetected for years. It’s not easy to tell someone that they may have a problem…and it’s often best to wait for folks to ask for help…but in extreme cases, a calm discussion with a certified professional and/or intervention with loved ones present can begin to address the issue.

    #103401

    ignant666
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    elitemachinery: I did read all that Louv posted; it is inane enough that i won’t be reading more of his work in future, and quite sufficient to allow me to conclude he is a con-man and idiot.

    You do realize that virtually all that is written and said about “esoteric”/”occult”/”metaphysical’ topics is produced by persons who are either con-men, or delusional persons, or a bit of both, right?

    That AC is one of the few exceptions (though he certainly had his con-man and delusional sides) is what keeps us reading his work.

    #103403

    Michael Staley
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    @elitemachinery

    I usually like to read a book first before giving it a scathing review.

    Don’t we all. Since the book has yet to be published, it’s clear that ignant666 is commenting on the blurb for the book, not the book itself, which is fair enough. Although there are of course exceptions, often the quality of a book is in inverse proportion to the hype. It’s possible to say something to promote a book without it coming across as a satirical piece from ‘Private Eye’.

    #103404

    elitemachinery
    Participant

    @dom said:

    Perfect for the ADD generation.

    Guilty.

    @ignant666 said:

    You do realize that virtually all that is written and said about “esoteric”/”occult”/”metaphysical’ topics is produced by persons who are either con-men, or delusional persons, or a bit of both, right?

    I’m a skeptic by default and really have not taken on many teachers in my life. But I’ve had a few teachers that were serious cats. One of them being Edwin Steinbrecher.

    Edwin Steinbrecher

    Israel Regardie wrote the forward for Edwin’s book. And Edwin wrote an intro for one of Israel Regardie’s books. He told me some cool stories about Mr. Regardie including one of how he finally got Israel’s birth data after years of it being top secret classified information (Israel was a Scorpio.)

    Edwin was Faye Dunaway’s astrologer and worked regularly with all the Coppola’s until his death and all through the Apocalypse Now period as he was good friends with Francis & Ellie Coppolla since UCLA in mid-60’s. He knew them before they were married.

    Edwin was a serious cat. People took him and his work seriously. He worked with thousands of clients. He was also a good friend of mine besides being my teacher in metaphysics, astrology and meditation. We dropped acid and ecstasy many many times and he initiated me into some crazy sex magick stuff that I didn’t really like and frankly found to be a pain in the ass!

    I was on the board of directors of his organization for 17 years.

    Name dropping aside, I felt like I was in good company with Edwin. He was a well respected author and astrologer among other things. Maybe it’s a being from Los Angeles thing, but Jason strikes me as an okay guy. I’ve seen more than a few scammy new age types growing up in Los Angeles and he doesn’t strike me as one at all. But hey I could be wrong.

    I don’t see any other young people doing anything similar or even in the same realm. Not a lot of folks writing about Magick or offering to teach it these days. This is Magick 2.0. Jason is a young guy who himself seems to have had some good teachers and I can forgive him for trying to make a few bucks off his $500 Bitcoin course and various reasonably priced Magick courses..or if he oversells his work a bit with big words…hell, he lives in Los Angeles (I do not) and that city is damn expensive. The fact that I spent a whole $12 to peruse his online Magick courses for a month doesn’t bother me one bit. I will be buying his new book and see for myself if it’s any good.

    As for Bitcoin being a scam. Well there is a lot of scams going on in Bitcoin as we speak. Price manipulation, theft, fraud and zero regulation. It’s a scammers paradise. Not that anything like this ever happens in the “real world.”

    If I had a million dollars I probably wouldn’t spend it on Bitcoin…but I am very bullish on crypto and it’s future and as such recently built a few linux computers that mine crypto (not Bitcoin) and add hash power to the network. These machines make me a nice bit of crypto currency each month mining crypto coins for the cost of electricity. I trade for cash or pay bills and services directly using crypto that I mined on these computers. It quite literally pays my rent and liquor bill. Not bad for an IDIOT!

    Maybe you should read Jason book before judging it. He is a fairly new author. He’s pretty young guy but seems to know his shit. I think he will be contributing some nice things in the future and get this…he’s still alive!

    #103406

    soz
    Participant

    Looks like Jason Louv’s book received favorable reviews from a fair number of people including Ramsey Dukes and Lon Milo Duquette.

    Lon:

    … Jason Louv’s work succeeds, with breathtaking thoroughness, to tell this amazing and true magical tale…

    Ramsey Dukes:

    This is the first book I’ve seen where Dee’s angelic magic is neither discussed in isolation, nor dismissed as an eccentric sideline, but recognized as a key part of Dee’s philosophy and political influence right up to the present day. I only wish I had found a book like this when I first became interested in John Dee.

    #103407

    ignant666
    Participant

    Golly, well, now that Louv has been endorsed by the author of BLAST Your Way to Megabuck$ with my SECRET Sex-Power Formula, and How to See Fairies: Discover your Psychic Powers in Six Weeks, it would be simply churlish to call him a huckster and scam artist.

    Anyone have details on how Louv demonstrates Dee’s “political [emphasis added] influence right up to the present day”? This seems like a demonstrably false, and totally nutty, claim. Will he do a promo appearance for the new book on InfoWars?

    Snell’s statement that the book does this makes me even surer this book is utter crap than i was before i read his blurb.

    If i see a book endorsed by two (c)OTO members, i am more likely to conclude the author is himself a (c)OTO member than to conclude it is a good book. Favorably blurbing your pals’ & co-religionists’ books (so they will return the favor and give your book a blurb) is so common in publishing it has a name: “logrolling”.

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    #103415

    arthuremerson
    Participant

    Don’t forget, ignant666, that this book purports not only to explain Dee’s [impossible] present day political influence, but EVERYTHING else as well. I’ll happily join your camp in calling a spade a spade, or in this case, a moron a moron. Only a moron, after all, would describe John Dee as “the foremost scientific genius of the 16th century” or as “having laid the foundations of modern science”. Both of these claims are indisputably false. For one thing, the foundations of modern science weren’t laid until the 17th century, as any schoolboy worth his weight ought to know. Some books needn’t be read in order to be dismissed outright.

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