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    TreeDragon7

    Can someone tell me the name of the mountain in southern mexico or guatemala that Oscar Eckenstein and Crowley climbed on an expedition ? I think it was near Izapa but not sure. I even wonder if they knew about Mayan cosmology at the time.

    #72680

    Hecate
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    Greetings TreeDragon7!

    During their stay in Mexico in 1902, AC and Eckenstein climbed the following mountains:
    – Iztaccihuatl: summits Panza (“the stomach”) and Cabeza (“the head”)
    – Popocatepetl
    – Nevado de Colima (Tzapotépet)
    – Nevado de Toluca (Zinantecatl or Cinantecatl): summit Pico de Fraile

    You can find the relevant info in the “Confessions”, chapters 23 – 26

    Regards
    Hecate

    #72681

    the_real_simon_iff
    Participant

    93, Hecate!

    I don’t want to be too much of a know-it-all, but AC and Eckenstein were in Mexico in 1900 and 1901.

    Love=Law
    Lutz

    #72682

    Hecate
    Participant

    You’re right, of course Lutz  🙂
    Thanks for the correction!

    regards
    Hecate

    #72683

    TreeDragon7

    these seem like ” aztec ” mountains. i guess im more interested if these are ” mayan ” territories. on another note Dee’s scrying mirror came from Mexico. Did AC write anything pretaining to these ancient cultures ?

    #72684

    666tsaeb
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    [font=georgia:omttwwsf]Oskar Eckenstein, center row, 2nd from left with pipe, rope and a group of climbers outside Pen-y-Gwryd, North Wales, 1898. Pen-y-Gwryd often serves as a training center for the first ascents of  Kanchenjunga[/font:omttwwsf]

    [font=georgia:omttwwsf]Crowley had perhaps two male friends with whom relations did not end with a quarrel: Allan Bennett, who became a Buddhist monk, and Oscar Eckenstein, one of his mountain-climber friends.[/font:omttwwsf]

    #72685

    lashtal
    Keymaster

    Thanks for the photos.

    I take it the second one is a Photoshop job? If not, I think we can all see the significance!

    #72686

    666tsaeb
    Participant

    Yes, haha, certainly a photoshop. While searching for a photo during that period when AC was close to both Eckenstein and Bennett (c1896-1901) after an expedition AC had begun staying at Bennett’s flat. It was the curious entranceway to the Pen-y-gwryd and Frater I.A.’s own “Photoshopped” entranceway that compelled me to create a joke combination. Here is the original Bennett photo of 1896. Mexico would follow with Eckenstein in the early 1900’s:

    #72687

    TreeDragon7

    I remember something about Bennett being able to levitate in the eyes of a Ceylon visiting AC.

    #72688

    DarkPoet
    Participant

    The Eckenstein photo is interseting.  I’d not seen that.  Do you mind me asking where you found it.

    #72689

    666tsaeb
    Participant
    "DarkPoet" wrote:
    The Eckenstein photo is interseting.  I’d not seen that.  Do you mind me asking where you found it.

    Mountaineering – hardcover, black cloth
    by Ronald W. Clark
    The Macmillan Company New York
    First Printing – 1956
    Plate 200

    Also contains Plate 213: “G. Grant and Aleister Crowley climbing the chalk of Beachy Head” photo posted elsewhere on this site.

    #72690

    SatansAdvocaat
    Participant

    “Chimborazo, Cotopaxi, you have stolen my heart away…” and these are not Aztec or Mayan mountains either, but are in the southern Andes, I believe.

    Don’t think Crowley paid any attention to the ancient Meso-American pantheons, but Kenneth Grant has included references to the Mayan god Camazotz “Death Bat” in his Typhonian Trilogies, an entity that plays a significant and colourful role in the Quiche Mayan epic, the ‘Popol Vuh’.

    This might be a cause for some bewilderment, until we note that the vampire bat of the Americas is denoted as ‘Desmodus Retondus’ and there is a certain self-portrait in ‘Outer Gateways’ entitled ‘Desmodus’ – following in the familail lineage of Bela Lugosi and his harem of White Zombies.  And then all becomes suffused with a certain essence of mauveness, a tangible taste of otherness.

    S.A.

    #72691

    666tsaeb
    Participant
    "TreeDragon7" wrote:
    I remember something about Bennett being able to levitate in the eyes of a Ceylon visiting AC.

    “Aleister Crowley claimed that he had once witnessed Bennett levitate while in a state of meditation” and here – that was part of my photoshop joke, you will note that the same archway is just behind Eckenstein in the group photo above. Far reaching humour I’ll have to admit as Paul pointed out…

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