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  • #103732

    elitemachinery
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    #103733

    elitemachinery
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    “Running on Empty”

    Interview with Richard Wolstencroft director of “The Last Days of Joe Blow” and “The Second Coming”

    Hopefully this helps those interested get to know me better. None of it “means” anything. Grist for the mill. Check out the links if you please. Enough for now thank you!

    #103735

    dom
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    Basically this is not a forum full of idiots who take Crowley’s writings as gospel. He held a lot of wacky beliefs…..ie he often fell short of the”scientific method” and ignored his own advice. This writing of his regarding reincarnation is one of these occurrences. It’s basically bullshit….laughable drivel.

    People who talk about reincarnation as a given fact of Nature are either insane or idiotic or they have some sort of manipulative agenda. Either way, any statement made about reincarnation as if it’s a given should not be taken seriously by any rational adult.

    Heinrich Himmler, wasn’t he adamant about being the reincarnation of Charlemagne? There’s just no evidence whatsoever for any of this bullshit.

    Ignant why are you even involving yourself with this teenage nonsense?

    #103737

    Tiger
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    Teenagers and children feel they now know all there is to know about life .
    Most people have very fixed ideas about what life and death is; they’re quite sure that they know.

    Reincarnation happens but there is no one that reincarnates .

    The aggregates of form, feeling, perception, mental formations, and cognizance that comprise personal identity can be dropped . These tendencies are ways in which the mind becomes involved in and clings to conditioned phenomena.

    Gone out, Going, traveling, trekking, arrival, entrance, issue, Thus gone Thus come .

    Synchronicity happens .

    A seemingly ordinary being radiates a special capacity to awaken others in the manifest dimension of continual change .

    #103738

    Tiger
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    Freed from being reckoned by .

    #103739

    dom
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    Thanks Tiger but what point are you actually trying to make?

    #103740

    Michael Staley
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    @dom

    He held a lot of wacky beliefs

    Correction: he held a lot of beliefs that you (and I suppose many others) consider “wacky”. Because you consider them “wacky beliefs” doesn’t of itself make them “wacky beliefs”. Just because something is currently outside “consensus reality” doesn’t make it “wacky”.

    Or do you consider that you stick only to those beliefs which have been scientifically validated? Because if that is your self-image, your contributions to the recent thread on earth-mysteries and sacred proportions would suggest otherwise.

    #103745

    Tiger
    Participant

    dom said Thanks Tiger but what point are you actually trying to make?

    Use your intuition.
    If you don’t see reincarnation then you don’t see it.
    An ordinary mind see’s ordinary things.
    Don’t confuse the messenger and the message.
    Stop looking at the finger pointing to the moon, etc.

    #103746

    Tiger
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    Let all things inform .

    #103754

    the_real_simon_iff
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    Please, Paul, please lock this shit!

    In a way this person was kind of contributing to the Legacy of Crowley with his – in my view – appalling books, and sometimes I even have been entertained by his lunatic contributions and of course I am thrilled by his abilities to put the anagram-generator into GIFs, but this is just too much. This is trolling in its deepest sense. It hurts.

    So, please, Paul, lock this shit now!

    Thanks and 93s!

    #103755

    ignant666
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    What “appalling books”?

    I don’t think Mr Tierney has written any books, appalling or otherwise. Or do you know something i don’t? He hasn’t mentioned writing any in these several recent threads, and i think he would have if he had. Or maybe they are so appalling he wouldn’t?

    A thing i do sometimes when something, say a forum thread, annoys me, is ignore it.

    Even though i used the term above, i don’t think it is really fair to call him a “troll”- i think he is actually sincerely convinced of what he says, however obviously nutty what he says may appear to the rest of us. A thing i find strange about his whole AC reincarnation thing is that he clearly knows very little about AC, or his work, and seems to have little interest in these things.

    #103758

    christibrany
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    93

    I have been lurking for a month or so because this soap box has gotten broken , been kicked about, and generally shows how insane this is all becoming. It is less a forum or soap box as a dilapidated group of old boards in an alley.

    Michael I recall you called me christibrany shit for brains or some such nonsense. I am here to say I don’t care. I am busy living my life, having fun with my work, my lovely wife, books , hiking, and A.:.A.:. curriculum etc and not posting every day.

    I am only posting because this is getting ridiculous. Someone has to put the kids back into their desks so they can get taught? I am saying that you haven’t changed your stripes and it’s gone beyond interesting.

    I hope you are happy at least, because your incessant nonsense seems like the ramblings of a true madman. And no thats not a ‘bad boy’ compliment.

    Best to you.

    93s

    #103763

    dom
    Participant

    @michael Staley

    Correction: he held a lot of beliefs that you (and I suppose many others) consider “wacky”. Because you consider them “wacky beliefs” doesn’t of itself make them “wacky beliefs”. Just because something is currently outside “consensus reality” doesn’t make it “wacky”.
    Or do you consider that you stick only to those beliefs which have been scientifically validated? Because if that is your self-image, your contributions to the recent thread on earth-mysteries and sacred proportions would suggest otherwise

    This excerpt From Confessons chapter 86 about reincarnation trips is also more agreeable to my impulse to destroy charlatanism, bullshit and backward religionism;


    I soon began to acquire the Magical Memory to recall my past incarnations. I refuse to assert any theory of what this really means. All memory is a re-awakening of ancient impressions. What I was really doing was penetrating to the deeper layers of my unconscious self. When, therefore, I remember my life as Cagliostro or Pope Alexander the Sixth, I am quite willing to interpret the experience as a dreamlike imagination, a dramatization of certain deeper elements in my character. I may, however, argue on the other side, that my present life is, almost equally, an artistic representation of my nature. There are also some fairly strong arguments for the actuality of such memories. Events in the past sometimes throw light on the present. For instance, when I came to remember what had happened to me in Rome, Naples and Paris, I understood certain obscure instinctive feelings about those cities which had always been unintelligible,1 and were in direct conflict with my conscious ideas about them

    So there you have it. Alleged past-life memories are just a personal tool that may appear to throw light on things such as some “gut instinct” about a place one has never consciously visited. “Appears to throw light on” is nothing to do with factual data gathering is it? It’s not some declaration of something that really is….. or was (lol).

    I only asked for evidence in that Hancock thread. What do we use as evidence for reincarnation as fact? Come on! Visionary “memories” used as factual confirmation? That particular factor is backward. When i first read Crowley testers that one’s alleged past-life body should resembles one’s father I winced. I remember thinking whoa! Wtf is this U-turn? It seems to contradict the clarity cited in the above paragraphs quoted.

    Anyway the fact is, yeah, strange visions about alleged historical events are maybe an important emotive and cathartic experience for someone yeah sure like any dream we may have but ultimately it is just a dream to be applied by you for you alone.

    I concede that I am all for the usefulness of personal dream-analysis but ultimately it’s a little religionsist game and not to be taken in the same vein as Boyle’s Law or Hooke’s Law. I analyse my dreams but it’s my business yeah like a proper religious belief that should not be imposed on others.

    With reincarnation, anyone can declare anything and it’s no questions asked like a particular cult who claim that the Bible says the earth is so many years old and no analytical investigation will be tolerated. End of story for them. That’s totally missing the point. How do you feel about Creationism Michael?

    It’s silly. It’s charlatanism but put simply it’s usually just the dangerous narcissism which Crowley warned against in his Notes for an astral atlas

    You don’t have to throw common sense out of the window with this subject. Use such visions and feelings as a tool only but keep it to thyself otherwise you are reverting to the chaos and disorganization that Crowley tried to extract from spiritual science.

    “He who became the Master Therion […] sought a simple statement of his object. […] He might have called this “God”, or “The Higher Self”, or “The Augoeides”, or “Adi-Buddha”, or 61 other things — but He had discovered that these were all one, yet that each one represented some theory of the Universe which would ultimately be shattered by criticism […] He therefore said: “Let me declare this Work under this title: ‘The obtaining of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel’”, because the theory implied in these words is so patently absurd that only simpletons would waste much time in analysing it. It would be accepted as a convention, and no one would incur the grave danger of building a philosophical system upon it.
    .”

    —Magick in Theory and Practice

    “Yes the grave danger of building a philosophical system upon it”. Phew! That’s more like it.

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    #103766

    Tiger
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    Well michael T is probably dreaming and apprehending life and death as presented to him by his mind .
    Though he did insult christybrany; so off with his head .

    dom is presenting some interesting things

    #103767

    elitemachinery
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    @dom said:

    I only asked for evidence in that Hancock thread. What do we use as evidence for reincarnation as fact?

    Yes that’s the problem isn’t it? Any fool can read a bunch of Crowley books, have a weird dream or two or notice some synchronicity and proclaim to be the great prophet reincarnated! There have been many over the years according to Lon Milo and Israel Regardie. But no one seems to coming right now..

    With reincarnation, anyone can declare anything and it’s no questions asked

    I wouldn’t say it’s no questions asked. Mostly you will just get called a looney as people continue to do in this thread. Clearly I’ve produced and directed movies and produced records and worked with 1000 porn gals, met Jack Nicholson and many others through family and friends. Even had dinner at the British Embassy once…so clearly the people I interact with on a daily basis have no problem with me and my current state of mind..

    The only time it would be “no questions asked” if you were in a group of people and everyone was claiming to be some famous King or Prince (it’s always someone famous and powerful of course) so folks agree to not question to each other.

    It’s silly really. I was on the board of directors at D.O.M.E. meditation center in Los Angeles for 17 years from 1985-2002 when my friend and mentor Edwin C. Steinbrecher died. No one there at the center ever proclaimed to be the reincarnation of anyone. We would giggle when people would come up with some bizarre story of being the reincarnation of someone. It was never encouraged.

    Which is why I cringed when this project fell in my lap.

    If we can ever get passed the “he’s so crazy” stage perhaps something of substance can be discussed. But until then keep trolling. I consider myself a guest here. I sometimes bite back when people question my sanity. My apologies to anyone i’ve offended including @christibrany and @ignant666.

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