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  • #109756

    dom
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    Maybe i mentioned this during my recent “memoirs” period but those boys (Swans) are old comrades since the early ’80s.
    Mikey Gira (and bassist Algis Kyzis) attended all three of my birthday parties when i was a law student in the early ’90s; probably few law students past or present can say the same. Norman Westberg, the guitarist (who i used to be in a band with called Dr. No-Smell (named after a popular East Harlem brand of “angel dust” (PCP)) only came to two of them.

    You win on the namedropping front. No, I am impressed, y’know ….I knew you were cool.

    I was surprised they covered that song. I thought it was a bad move.

    Westberg used to have an upside down cross earring. Whether he was into Satanism or not I don’t know. Gira was from the west coast wasn’t he? I get the impression that Gira is one of those people who view the music industry as something that’s beneath him..as a contemporary artist that is… but I know that his favourite music is early Bob Dylan.

    Cohorts of Swans this was one of my favourite albums as a teen. I treated my sessions listening to this like a ritual…. beautiful cover also

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    #109765

    ignant666
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    I just realized i over-namedropped. No Swans attended my birthday party my first year of law school, that was just me and a bunch of women. There was cocaine and much drinking. One (eventual) result was divorcing my first wife.

    Three of them came to the following two though.

    In penance for my faulty memory, here is Gira’s pre-Swans “New Wave” band Circus Mort, from around when i met him as a young Bowie wannabe around 1980-1 or so:

    Norman is certainly not a Satanist, he is an extremely normal dude who listens to Molly Hatchet, and a doting father. I have never heard him mention any remotely occult topic.

    Gira was around NYC from the late ’70s, where he may have come from before that i have no idea. That he views a great many things as “something that’s beneath him” has been mentioned before. Never heard him mention Dylan, or, again, any occult, or remotely high-brow/”book-larnin'” type topic.

    Most conversations i had with all of them were about drinking, music, and fucked-up/weird art, and of course, that ever-popular topic, drugs, back when we were all young and foolish on the Lower East Side.

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    #109774

    dom
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    Norman is certainly not a Satanist, he is an extremely normal dude who listens to Molly Hatchet, and a doting father. I have never heard him mention any remotely occult topic.

    @ignant666
    If you still see Norman ask him his opinion of Rice.

    Check out Gira’s history, may be wiki, it’s very interesting, he ran away from home on the west coast and hiked around Europe with older hippies and ended up in jail. He designed the Swans covers, very stark, red white and black like some Soviet or fascist propaganda poster.

    Ignant what was your publication/career CV link? I forget whether you practiced law or went into education first?

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    #109780

    ignant666
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    I never see anyone from “back in the day” except when people die. I haven’t seen Norman, Algis, and other Swans since the memorial for our old friend John Berry, founding member of the Beastie Boys, who died in 2016. The time before that was another funeral. Gira i haven’t spoken to for maybe 15-20 years.

    I went to law school from ’90-’93, and then went into grad school in criminology in 1995.

    Here, in lieu of a song, is a funny Swans tour story from the early ’90s: They were doing a southern US tour, playing a lot of redneck bars, the kind where there is a chicken-wire screen around the stage to stop the audience throwing things at the band. At every stop, as they loaded in, the promoter would ask which one was Norman, usually with a disgusted/freaked-out look on his face. The Swans of course have a certain reputation (largely based on Gira’s lyrics) for being some kind of bizarre sexually deviant weirdos.

    At every stop, the promoter would give Norman the fax that had just arrived for him, in every case a chapter from The Leatherman’s Handbook, a practitioner’s manual for gay S & M. He saved them, and showed them to me at a Dr. No-Smell rehearsal after he got back from tour. The one i remember to this day is “Ballooning Ballsacks”, which discussed, and copiously illustrated, injection of saline solution to inflate the scrotum to the size of a football.

    The “perp” was someone intimately familiar with not merely the tour schedule but their daily driving schedule, since the faxes would always arrive right around the time when they were pulling up at the club in the van. They never figured out who it was.

    #109797

    dom
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    Expanding scrotums, that’s a funny story!

    #109814

    Falcon
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    @horemakhet I like some of Emperor’s material too (and Black Metal generally), although I am a Thelemite and Gnostic not Satanist.

    Moonchild by Fields of the Nephilim – they are influenced by To Mega Therion like many other Gothic, Post-Punk, Rock, Neo-Folk, Metal bands.

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    #109816

    Falcon
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    KILLING JOKE INTERVIEW – JAZ COLEMAN’S HEROES

    “I had to mention Wagner because he is an artist who expanded the concept of music into reality. Wagner had a vision of how life should be – his heart was set in the Nordic mythology. He believed in trying to portray man at his best. For me he was more of a magician than just a plain composer. He had a dream, he set it to music and it almost came alive.

    It is a fact that Hitler was inspired by Wagner’s vision of the Pan German world. Regardless of his racial ideology, which I am totally against, what I do admire about him is the purity of his concept and the fact that it almost came alive. I hate his operas, I can’t abide fat women warbling away, but I love his music. Every time I fly to Berlin I have to have the music to “Siegfried’s Funeral March” on my Walkman. I need that sound to ready myself.”

    http://www.jokerplace.net/articles/1983-1986/mm111086.html

    #109823

    Falcon
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    #109824

    Falcon
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    #109825

    Falcon
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    Pigface and The Damage Manual (Killing Joke side project spin offs):

    #109826

    Falcon
    Participant

    Another KJ side project:

    #109829

    Falcon
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    The influence of Frater Perdurabo on the Gothic post-punk band Blood and Roses is evident:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzVIMLf0CfM

    #109837

    christibrany
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    I like Fields of the Nephilim but I haven’t heard enough. My wife introduced me to them, and we want to buy a box set.

    I love Wagner. I started out only listening to the instrumentals, preludes etc. But now that I have been listening for a few years I can actually get into the opera too.

    This one is always beautiful:

    Mild und leise
    wie er lächelt,
    wie das Auge
    hold er öffnet
    —seht ihr’s, Freunde?
    Seht ihr’s nicht?
    Immer lichter
    wie er leuchtet,
    stern-umstrahlet
    hoch sich hebt?
    Seht ihr’s nicht?

    ertrinken,
    versinken, –
    unbewusst, –
    höchste Lust!

    Softly and gently
    how he smiles,
    how his eyes
    fondly open
    —do you see, friends?
    do you not see?
    how he shines
    ever brighter.
    Star-haloed
    rising higher
    Do you not see?

    […and ends…]

    to drown,
    to founder –
    unconscious –
    utmost bliss!

    #109838

    christibrany
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    On the other end of my spectrum…
    One day I will be able to play this on double kick 😀

    #109870

    Falcon
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    @christibrany If you are interested the Fields of the Nephilim are playing live shows in the UK in October and November.

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