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ignant666
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04/07/2019 7:53 pm  

Happy Independence Day to all! (and, of course, condolences to anyone whose Soviet-style military parades, fireworks, and/or taxpayer-financed campaign rallies may be ruined by the predicted heavy thunderstorms in DC this evening, and any Brits who still haven't gotten over that whole 1776 thing, or recent women's World Cup events)

I will be smoking two racks of baby backribs and some eggplants, to eat with salad from the garden, and listening to the annual Louis Armstrong birthday show on WKCR.edu.

And perhaps a tad bit of "drink[ing] by the eight and ninety rules of art", though not "sweet wines or wines that foam", but rather ale, Belgian and homebrew fake Belgian.

I am wearing a Satanic pentagram t-shirt that i bought at NYC's Magickal Childe in the mid-'80s- does that count as "fine apparel"? (yes i have t-shirts twice (and three times!) as old as my son)

Stand! and join hands! and let us sing!
Shake out Old Glory to the skies!
With heart and hands defiant fling
Our purpose against Destiny’s.
Ashes to ashes? Dust to dust?
So let it be! In God we trust.

[A.C."An Hymn For The American People". The International XII: 3.]

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05/07/2019 2:01 am  

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05/07/2019 2:32 am  

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https://youtu.be/wxiMrvDbq3s


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05/07/2019 2:49 pm  

@ignant666

or recent women’s World Cup events

Now you're REALLY pushing it.


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05/07/2019 8:50 pm  

Trump just spoke total crap about the history of the USA. Disgrace.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/05/trump-claims-americans-took-airports-war-independence-century/

Donald Trump raised eyebrows with a bizarre historical blunder during his patriotic 4th of July address on Thursday, claiming the army of what was to become the United States "took over the airports" in the 18th century War of Independence.
The US president suggested American domination of the skies was a factor in its victory in the fight against British rule - despite this being well over a century before the invention of the aeroplane.
He said: “In June of 1775, the Continental Congress created a unified army out of the revolutionary forces encamped around Boston and New York … The Continental Army suffered a bitter winter of Valley Forge, found glory across the waters of the Delaware, and seized victory from Cornwallis of Yorktown

Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory.”
...………….
The statement included other inaccuracies. The British General Cornwallis Mr Trump referenced was in fact from London and was defeated at Yorktown, and he also incorrectly claimed the Continental Army was named after George Washington.

Observers also pointed out that the US leader appeared to have confused the 18th century War of Independence with the War of 1812. Fort McHenry is the military bastion famous for successfully defending Baltimore Harbour from the British Navy's bombardment during the later conflict, and the phrase "the rockets' red glare' comes from the Francis Scott Key poem The Defense of Fort M'Henry that went on to form the lyrics of the US national anthem, The Star-Spangled Banner.
Mr Trump told reporters Friday that at one point during his speech the rain knocked out his teleprompter.

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Any American statesman worth his salt should be steeped in American and world history let alone reading rote from a teleprompter. Imagine FDR saying such crap. Talking such spaced-out nonsense is akin to something that a crazy Middle Eastern dictator would come out with. How is going to explain this?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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05/07/2019 9:28 pm  

Sorry for double post but his excuse was of course that the teleprompter was knocked out by the rain. Still, no excuse for a speech riddled with such 'fake history'.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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05/07/2019 11:54 pm  

I am gonna ignore the political shit on the thread, bc what is the point, especially on a site full of mostly subservient ex colonies like Australia and Canada plus of course 'Great' Britain but I had a nice Fourth.

The nice irony bc I realise our debt to le Francais was instead of Sousa I was hearing french black metal while the fireworks burst overhead. That was nice . Especially since you usually have to fight for a seat in the college stadium (C) where the 'works go off but we can see them from our doorstep.

We had some lovely elk burgers ala Gordon Ramsay (the dirty redcoat) and then watched some music videos.

Hail Voltaire.

PS Dom your posts are equally incoherent half the time. You should be thankful.


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06/07/2019 12:07 am  

david is just mad because we rammed their ramparts, and took over their airports.

Here is Leutze's famous painting "Washington Crossing The Delaware (With Air Support)".

history

Are there actually any Canadians? Brits, French, Germans, miscellaneous other Europeans, the odd Australian (nothing personal Mayet), a few Americans, yes. I can't think of any recent Canadians though.


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06/07/2019 12:49 am  

I sometimes include the American national anthem during dawn ceremonies after God Save the Queen and O'Canada.
Started doing it on or around the fourth of July last year.
I like and include the Civil War verse:
When our land is illumined with Liberty's smile,
If a foe from within strike a blow at her glory,
Down, down with the traitor that dares to defile
The flag of her stars and the page of her story!
By the millions unchained, who our birthright have gained,
We will keep her bright blazon forever unstained!
And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave
While the land of the free is the home of the brave.

Contemplating the idea of Canada and the USA joining together has got me interested in following and learning about the American electoral and political process. There are elements I like of both. But that conversation is more suited for the Thelemic politics thread.

I listened to one of the Democratic candidates give a talk about American history on the Fourth. Not as metaphysical as some of her other talks on the subject but it was enjoyable.


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06/07/2019 1:09 am  

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about Professional liars, Politics and Teflon.


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06/07/2019 1:59 am  

@christibrany

I am gonna ignore the political shit on the thread,

"Political"? Yeah I guess it is "political" when the present president of the USA gives the entire planet a fake history lesson.

bc what is the point, especially on a site full of mostly subservient ex colonies like Australia and Canada plus of course ‘Great’ Britain but I had a nice Fourth.

What is the point of what? You are not making sense. By the way have you heard of the use a hyphen as in the prefix 'ex-' (meaning former)? Apparently not.

The nice irony bc I realise our debt to le Francais was instead of Sousa I was hearing french black metal while the fireworks burst overhead.

The "nice irony bc"? What or who is "bc"? I'm genuinely struggling to understand your following sentence;

"The nice irony bc I realise our debt to le Francais was instead of Sousa I was hearing french black metal while the fireworks burst overhead."

If you make reference to a nationality you have to use a capital letter. That's for starters. That entire sentence being bereft of commas just sounds like gobbledygook yet you're an expert on coherent writing. Jesus.

That was nice . Especially since you usually have to fight for a seat in the college stadium (C) where the ‘works go off but we can see them from our doorstep.
We had some lovely elk burgers ala Gordon Ramsay (the dirty redcoat) and then watched some music videos.
Hail Voltaire.

"Ala" aside, I'm seeing an apostrophe there that was not resolved. Where? Here; where the ‘works go off but we can see them from our doorstep.

Are you with me? When you use "'" you must follow it up with an other "'". Furthermore was it even necessary to split those sentences up into two paragraphs? Also I'm not too sure about the use of the full stop immediately followed by an "especially" with a capital 'E' there simply because the sentence beginning with "especially" was a direct connective i.e. a continuation from the previous sentence.

PS Dom your posts are equally incoherent half the time. You should be thankful

Really? Show me the evidence. You have just demonstrated that you are barely capable of writing proper English yet you berate me for my apparent low level of grammatical know how. I don't know, maybe a coherent writer such as yourself just got stoned out of your mind during the 4th of July celebrations and forgot how to write.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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06/07/2019 2:49 am  

Dom, remind me again of your comment on a thread a short while ago where you were complaining about "Grammar Nazis" making their presence felt in terms of some minor criticism of your own hyper-elegant style? Also, your similarly recent one about kettles calling pots black. Sic(k?)!

Happy fourth by the way. Or should that be sixth? And meanwhile "up the Yanks"... seriously, I mean it --- up the Yanks!

Controversially up yours! 🙂
Norma N Joy Conquest


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06/07/2019 3:11 am  

jb: ... remind me again of your comment on a thread a short while ago where you were complaining about “Grammar Nazis” making their presence felt in terms of some minor criticism of your own hyper-elegant style?

Thank you. You saved me a few minutes of wondering how to address the GG (Grammar Gestapo). I am particularly sensitive in this area, what with my habit of not proofing my posts. That way I set myself up for correction and slander, while taking the heat off of other posters. I believe I qualify for martyr-dom.


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06/07/2019 3:28 am  

Dom, remind me again of your comment on a thread a short

Get a life. He said I was incoherent. He was incoherent. I corrected him. By the way are you a tabloid journalist?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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06/07/2019 3:39 am  

looks like the COLour of a Bog-trotter
posing as a Pom Pommy
on their way to the free speech zone
without a permit


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Shiva
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06/07/2019 6:04 am  

: Get a life.


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06/07/2019 9:16 am  

Happy ID4 day everyone

The first and original grammar nazi was Rudolph Hess - when he edited Mein Kampf for Hitler .. a bit of useless information bought to you by someone who's full of it 😀

@dom

: Get a life.

facepalm .................no noooooooooooooooooooo not you too.. *grins ... I just had an eloquent dummy spit at my toogoom Community facebook group for saying that very thing (hope they actually thought about what I said but doubt it .. you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink) for more info on my dummy spit see facey: Toogs com group .. the post about the caravan park johns comment replies ... *dummy spit is an aussie term for an adult having a tanty .. so named after when a baby spits his pacifier out and screams *tanty short for tantrum - aussies always shorten things facey - facebook AKA bookface

@ignant666 Are there actually any Canadians? Brits, French, Germans, miscellaneous other Europeans, the odd Australian (nothing personal Mayet), a few Americans, yes. I can’t think of any recent Canadians though.

I am odd *grins

also I loved that pic you posted with the planes ... trump must of seen that scene before he blurted on the teleprompter
I love ODD pictures like that and nature pics AKA the ones I take like this

isn't mother nature beautiful especially at dusk an dawn

I am excited .. I can finally afford a new cam this week after I had to sell my old one to feed D4 when she came home..
Im getting a canon D70 with 135 lens to start .. second hand


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06/07/2019 12:54 pm  

Am I wrong to assume that American presidents used to be real statesmen?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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06/07/2019 1:58 pm  

The last two Republican Presidents have been not-very-smart rich kids who failed at everything in life, and were bailed out over and over by dad's reputation and money. Both evaded the Viet Nam era draft through family money and connections; each was/is eager to risk the lives of young Americans in combat.

The last two Democratic Presidents have been people of very modest background, who were respectively, a Rhodes Scholar who then went to Yale Law School, and a Harvard Law grad who was editor of the law review (the most prestigious thing a law student can do is be editor of the school's law review; i was a mere staff member on mine). One of them, as you may have heard, had the audacity to be black, which the current President considers unforgivable (thus his efforts to reverse every single thing the black guy did, regardless of how little sense this may make in any given case).

Both the Democratic Presidents mentioned became President by winning the majority of the popular vote; both of the Republicans became President despite their Democratic opponents winning the majority of the popular vote.

Any conclusions that might be drawn from the above facts are left as an exercise for the reader.


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06/07/2019 3:17 pm  

I'm a Canadian. I haven't lived there since 1992, however, and haven't visited since 2006.

I have lived in France since 2001, and became a French citizen in 2007.


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06/07/2019 6:39 pm  

@ignant

The last two Republican Presidents have been not-very-smart rich kids who failed at everything in life, and were bailed out over and over by dad’s reputation and money

Well yeah I was thinking more pre-Carter presidents going way back to Lincoln.

One of them, as you may have heard, had the audacity to be black, which the current President considers unforgivable (thus his efforts to reverse every single thing the black guy did, regardless of how little sense this may make in any given case)

Eh? Black like Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell? Yes he was certainly more statesman-like but you don't think Obama's foreign policy left the world in a more dangerous place?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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06/07/2019 7:37 pm  

Ok, the last two "pre-Carter" Republican Presidents were Ford, who was not elected and was often said to have played football with his helmet off one time too many, and the noted war criminal and straight-up criminal criminal Dick Nixon.

The last two "pre-Carter" Democratic presidents were Johnson (Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Medicare/Medicaid, but on the other hand Viet Nam) and JFK (shot before he did much).

Any of these folks are certainly head and shoulders over Bush the Younger, or Duh Fuehrer, in intellect, and "statesmanlike-ness". Some of them even read books, if you can imagine (actually GWB was known to read).

As to your imagined clever gotcha in pointing out that Bush the Younger had two black Secretaries of State: 1) Secretary of State is not remotely the same as President; 3) the Bush and Trump crime families hate each other. I would not characterize GWB as a a racist but rather as a beneficiary of racism; Trump is clearly very very racist, and has been as long as he has been a public figure (like his dad, arrested at a KKK rally).

Obama’s foreign policy left the world in a more dangerous place

Perhaps you'd care to give an example or two here? I don't think that is a very widely held opinion outside extreme-right circles.


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06/07/2019 8:28 pm  

@ignnat

Hey you've erased Reagan from history.

Ok, the last two “pre-Carter” Republican Presidents were Ford, who was not elected and was often said to have played football with his helmet off one time too many, and the noted war criminal and straight-up criminal criminal Dick Nixon.

The crime of lying about employing the secret police to snoop at the Democrat's future campaign details? The initial crime was just so ...pointless.

The last two “pre-Carter” Democratic presidents were Johnson (Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Medicare/Medicaid, but on the other hand Viet Nam) and JFK (shot before he did much).

Yeah what did JFK do?

As to your imagined clever gotcha in pointing out that Bush the Younger had two black Secretaries of State: 1) Secretary of State is not remotely the same as President;

It wasn't a 'gotcha' Ignant. I never baited you. You brought race into it.

3) the Bush and Trump crime families hate each other. I would not characterize GWB as a a racist but rather as a beneficiary of racism; Trump is clearly very very racist, and has been as long as he has been a public figure (like his dad, arrested at a KKK rally).

Trump is racist? What about Reagen? Do you mean trickle-down economic racism as in indirect racism because minorities predominate the classes who suffer when a socialist welfare state does not exist?

Obama’s foreign policy left the world in a more dangerous place
Perhaps you’d care to give an example or two here? I don’t think that is a very widely held opinion outside extreme-right circles.

Well. Sometimes you have to threaten a bully. You know that.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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06/07/2019 9:18 pm  

If we can’t socialize the losses and spread the risk onto the masses;
we can always tax them to get hooked on a nanny state sponsored market.
Either way things can be risk managed and rigged;
so that the voter is eager to vote for their own demise.
Oh and don’t get on that unregulated market ship that’s being built; with everyone else.
And always have the life jacket that passed quality control, handy.
And know your boom and bust cycles .


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06/07/2019 9:41 pm  

@dom

Hey you’ve erased Reagan from history.

No, ignant666 stated "pre-Carter".

Yeah what did JFK do?

At the time of the Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy stood up to his generals, who were pressing for a firm military response which would probably have triggered World War III. Later, it was Kennedy who laid the basis for the Civil Rights legislation which was subsequently developed by Johnson; it decimated the Democrat power-base in the Southern States, but was clearly the right thing to do. It was Kennedy who "nationalised" the Alabama guard in order to enforce the right of black students to take their rightful place at college, in the face of bitter opposition by the then-governor of Alabama, Wallace. Kennedy did quite a lot. That's not to say that he didn't have character flaws, and didn't do some shady, abusive things. But he did some positive things.


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06/07/2019 10:53 pm  

Hey you’ve erased Reagan from history.

Reagan was not a "pre-Carter president"- Carter was President before Reagan. You said

Well yeah I was thinking more pre-Carter presidents going way back to Lincoln.

Trump is racist? What about Reagen? Do you mean trickle-down economic racism as in indirect racism because minorities predominate the classes who suffer when a socialist welfare state does not exist?

Yes, that kind, and then the old-fashioned kind where you hate and fear persons with dark skin.

Some of his "Greatest Racist Hits": Getting fined for refusing to rent to black folks in NYC back when he hadn't yet pissed away the real estate empire he inherited, taking out a full-page ad in the NY Times to demand the death penalty for four black teenagers we now know were innocent, the racist claim that Obama was somehow not a US citizen despite being born in the US to a US citizen mother, discussing (as President) "shithole countries" in Africa, his lawless and un-American immigration and refugee policies, really i could go on for days here.


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06/07/2019 11:20 pm  

The People want accountability in an Age screaming for Change;
not more of the same.
They don’t want a system that socializes the losses and privatizes the gains.
Neither do they want a nanny state in which the plutocracy can peddle their wares.
People don’t want obsequious food stamps and hand outs.
They want a living wage free from taxation and peer-to-peer swarming.
good luck.
🙂


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07/07/2019 12:15 am  

We are tired of The Too Big to Jail !
Profile them Shake them down !


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07/07/2019 12:53 am  

Trump is paranoid of puritanical Muslim culture sure but this idea that he genuinely has it in for negroes per se just smacks of silly Democrat propaganda and political character assassination. I don't know, What other evidence is there?

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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07/07/2019 1:44 am  

From three very mainstream sources that can't easily be accused of "silly Democrat propaganda and political character assassination":

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-racist-meme/

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history


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07/07/2019 2:35 am  

is crowley the first to use "trumps" as the major arcana ??? 😀 something that has amused me ...


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07/07/2019 4:01 am  

Every Political Candidate worth hir salt knows it’s not about ideals but the statistics and markets.


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07/07/2019 6:03 am  

m: is crowley the first to use “trumps” as the major arcana ?

I doubt it. They were known as "Triumphs" a long time ago.


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07/07/2019 10:23 am  

@mayet

is crowley the first to use “trumps” as the major arcana ??? 😀 something that has amused me …

No, that is the common name for them in the game of Tarot, and in other games like Bridge (and its ancestor Whist) where a "trump suit" is designated at the start of play.

As Shiva noted, Tarot was originally called Trionfi - Italian for "Triumphs" - in the 15th century. The name of the game changed around 1500, to Tarocchi (Italian) and Tarot (French, spelled in various ways, all pronounced "ta-ro"), in response to other games using the name without the special cards (i.e. just a "trump suit," like in Bridge). In France today, where the game is still popular, the trump suit (occult "Major Arcana," a 19th century term) is called "atouts" ("for-alls", the cards that take all the others), from whence the Golden Dawn Cipher Manuscript used the Egyptianized term "Atu," which Mathers explained "is the plural of Aat, mansion, Aatu, mansions". Atouts and Atu are pronounced the same way.


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07/07/2019 10:54 am  

And yes, the family name TRUMP does come from German Trumpf, meaning the same thing in card games and descending from "triumph." If you are a critic of Donald Trump, you will probably know that his grandfather's name was spelled variantly as "Drumpf", which some people find very funny.


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07/07/2019 12:40 pm  

@ignant

The strongest case for his racism is the apparent lies given to black folk about no vacancies in the apartments. Yeah it is disgusting of course but do we know if Trump had actual definite direct involvement in that policy? Was it his job to sift through and approve each and every applicant or did he just let the apartment managers run the place?

Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources...but the only source cited appears to be some anonymous hearsay. I could say all kinds of shit about my first boss now.

The death penalty advert for five black and Latino teenagers accused of gang-rape? Yeah nobody likes gang-rape happening. What's race got to do with it? Yeah he's an emotive idiot but it was not some sort of race-hate campaign was it?

In 1989, on NBC, Trump said: “I think sometimes a black may think they don’t have an advantage or this and that. I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage.”

Yeah the black middle-class is now well-established in the USA thank Gods and we all know that. He was celebrating the benefits of affirmative action which as far as I know opened up opportunities for black folk since civil rights hence Condy Rice rises (as it were) to become a very powerful Republican party player and Colin Powel excels in his career to name but a couple.

There are blacks who support Trump. The NYTimes has him down as Heinrich Himmler.

The Mexican immigrants yeah there are very likely rapists and drug-dealing vermin among them. I agree but he actually says 3:55s "some are good people". Now imagine Adolf Hitler in one of his many race-hate speeches he gave as the NSDAP was rising saying "Yeah so the jews etc etc...but some of them are good people". No, never happened.

n December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time.

Yes he is against the rise of Muslim culture in the USA.

He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.

...and that tit-for-tat political nonsense is racist how?

He often casts heavily black American cities as dystopian war zones

I guess if I said London is stab-capital of Europe that makes me a disinfo protagonist? Killadelphia etc are toxic because a black woman has to worry about her sons coming home alive that night. How is that racist? It's a bad situation.

The NFL guys? Any Republican black, white or Latino would have found that to be a disgrace. Just a basic conservative don't-rock-the-boat attitude.

He mishandled the Charlottesville event but fact is the ANTIFA ites were ready to cause Hell. Also his point is that there are (a mass of potential Republican voting) white Southerners who are decent law-abiding folk that still resent the northern instigated genocide during the Civil War. They resent the Robert E.Lee statue being taken down. Now in the UK we have protestant hate-groups who march on the 12th July re Battle of the Boyne. I admit most of these folks are decent law-abiding citizens who just have some stupid sentimental connection with the bigotry of their granddaddy. I see no real harm in it but as a British Catholic it makes me a bit uneasy.

Trump anti-Semitic? This blackens the bias of the NY Times article. Who is Trump's daughter married to? What did Trump do for Israel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yVrQ5huSFw

Obama also backed that naughty oppressive Israel to the hilt might I add.

Finally At a June 2016 campaign rally, Trump pointed to one attendee and said: “Oh, look at my African-American over here. Look at him.” please watch the video. Did the NY Times actually watch that video? In the following video Trump tells the story about the black Trump supporter ("a great guy"!) who beat up the KKK guys at Trump's rally and Trump was all for it!!

So the NY Times are generally involved in a silly smear-campaign to make Trump look like Adolf Hitler or Himmler. Silly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYMFkFgPzk

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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07/07/2019 12:53 pm  

@dom

So the NY Times are generally involved in a silly smear-campaign to make Trump look like Adolf Hitler or Himmler. Silly.

You're the one that's being "silly", making such a preposterous claim. Perhaps you'd care to link to an article in the NY Times drawing a parallel between Trump and Hitler or Himmler.

OK, so you like Trump. Some don't; do you have a problem with that?


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07/07/2019 2:43 pm  

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OK, so you like Trump. Some don’t; do you have a problem with that?

I don't 'like Trump' I'm just trying to trawl through smear campaigns to get to the truth. The NY Times are trying to have us believe that Trump is a hate-filled career racist y'know like those guys in the 30s in Germany. Now the latter instigated severe policies against minorities inciting and executing mass murder to say the least. Of course Trump hasn't done that.

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07/07/2019 4:14 pm  

“The death penalty advert for five black and Latino teenagers accused of gang-rape? Yeah nobody likes gang-rape happening. What’s race got to do with it? Yeah he’s an emotive idiot but it was not some sort of race-hate campaign was it? “

This was a terrible thing.
I saw a documentary on it in the news way back. They had not only made the kids confess through sleep depravation and who knows what else; but that wasn’t enough because the kids weren’t getting the story right. They had to be indoctrinated into the specifics of how the crime went down and confess to the specifics correctly.

Racism did not disappear with the Emancipation Proclamation or the Civil Rights Act. Many think it did.

Unfortunately Right Wing Radio propaganda, promotes and fosters racism they studied Edward Bernays

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, and our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of…. It is they who pull the wires that control the public mind.”
Edward Bernays


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07/07/2019 4:33 pm  

In this may be discovered the doctrine which asserts that the blindness of humanity to all the beauty and wonder of the Universe is due to this illusion of straightness.

It will be seen that every form of energy in this picture is spiral.

From the golden cup she pours this ethereal water, which is also milk and oil and blood, upon her own head, indicating the eternal renewal of the categories, the inexhaustible possibilities of existence.
https://nofaithinthehumanrace.com/777/?deck=crowley&show777=0&key=28


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07/07/2019 5:13 pm  

Well, I see The Glorious 4th has turned into political bickering. I thought that was removed to the Thelemic Politics thread.


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07/07/2019 5:29 pm  

Well, I see The Glorious 4th has turned into political bickering. I thought that was removed to the Thelemic Politics thread.

Not so glorious for us Brits. Put a crack in our glorious empire.

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07/07/2019 6:04 pm  

Well, I see The Glorious 4th has turned into political bickering. I thought that was removed to the Thelemic Politics thread.

I was just innocently celebrating an American holiday when a certain disgruntled Brit began this "I Love Trump" stuff; as i know (being a NYer who has been familiar with "The Donald" since the early '80s) the man is a career criminal/con-artist, racist, and moron, and suspect he is a Putin-controlled traitor, i responded.

I myself am too modest to have opinions about UK politics, or the politics of other countries generally, because i am so uninformed about these topics, but some are more, um, expansive in their willingness to pontificate about the politics of places where they have never lived.

Not so glorious for us Brits. Put a crack in our glorious empire.

Because we got your airports.


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07/07/2019 7:19 pm  

Of course Trump hasn’t done that [death camps].

And of course this is absolutely correct, so far.

Trump has only, so far, opened concentration camps, and imprisoned men, women and children (separated from their parents), under very harsh conditions, and in violation of many US laws and US international treaty obligations, while suggesting those held in those camps are less than human, but has not yet opened death camps.

Of course, the same could be said of Adolf Hitler in 1940.


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07/07/2019 10:27 pm  

Wow! dom, good to know who you really are.

Will that take into account from now on.

And that's all.

Fake news is the Law!

Lutz

Sorry, not having the time to read through (as weird as they are maybe) certain posts, and then posting a long apology for Trump, is not exactly "science". But as I said, good to know...


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07/07/2019 10:36 pm  

Ig: I was just innocently celebrating an American holiday ...

Yes, I noticed that.

... when a certain disgruntled Brit began this ...

No, you must mistaken. Said Brit is the one constantly calling out people for going off-topic.

As for the July 4 Indy Day, and Jul 5 Sirius/Ra conjunction, I predicted nothing would happen. This is not because I'm a pro-fet (profit?). My prediction was based on experience and, like yourself, I have witnessed many, multiple, muchas, predictions of the end of the world, the end of computers, one-third of humanity being taken up in spaceships (while the earth trembles/explodes/ washes away), and the conversion of humanity in Magisters. Nothing ever happened.

Now, some folks may point to a serious earthquake in the Mojave Desert. I have ridden out five "major" quakes in Caliphornia, and they just keep coming on at regular intervals. Like Japan, California sits on The Ring of Fire.

"I fell into a burning ring of fire,
Down, down, down, the Flames growing higher"
- J. Cash

Since general humanity was not affected, I hereby dismiss that tumble as being insignificant.


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08/07/2019 1:02 am  

ok i will move this back over to
the why dom and the Brits are shirking their responsibility
to raise a glorious empire once again thread .


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08/07/2019 1:10 am  

@simoniff

Wow! dom, good to know who you really are.

i.e. what he means is (and now follows an impersonation);

Sorry, not having the time to read through (as weird as they are maybe) certain posts, and then posting a long apology for Trump, is not exactly “science”. But as I said, good to know…

Yes weird rambling posts that have no concise point unlike my point by point analysis of the NY Times article. There's a difference ffs.

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08/07/2019 1:10 am  

ok i posted it but it didn't want to go there in the Thelemic politics thread
so i will try it here.

“ Not so glorious for us Brits. Put a crack in our glorious empire. “
This is a kind of a Right Wing Ideology

People are afraid of losing their jobs, cultural identity and have an attachment to their glorious traditions understandably so.

And when they feel threatened they lash out. Drastic measures are taken to protect the hood and the turf.

The Propaganda Machine is able to pander to such sentiment.

Things get spun out of control and blame; rather than accountability finds it course.

There is enough room for people to hold onto their culture as well as their notion of marriage if that is what they want to do . They are still free to do it. But the media turns it into hysteria .

This whole border ILLEGAL immigration is an issue that really shows the power of media misinformation.

This is the Responsibility of the immigration department and the Government !!! Hold them accountable !Don’t scapegoat people looking for work or even to looking for a free ride. They are looking for a better life or running from the law of their own country. There is a way to secure the border and it is purposely not being done.

People should be aware when they are not welcome and the climate that greets those who do not go through DUE Process.

And I know this is not even half of the arguments (leaving out the radical left)

This is politics and not necessarily Thelemic possibly un Thelemic
but might be an exercise in conflict resolution .
Free Speech should be to give voice to the marginalized; rather than to disparage; though freedom is allowed for both.
The Democrats are their own worst enemy they would do well to listen to the Republicans and vice versa.
And the people should know that the Duopoly is not working for them but towards a new order and that the people are just in the way until they can be acclimated to the program.

hows about that ?


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08/07/2019 2:22 am  

This is a kind of a Right Wing Ideology

By the way that was a joke about being resentful for 1776.

https://www.lashtal.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley_Timeline


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