The Mysteries of Tai Ch
I hear that in the Chinese tradition the five elements can be regarded as the symbols of the five planets, Metal, Wood, Water, Fire Earth corresponding to Venus, Jupiter, Mercury, Mars, Saturn? Not to be confused the 4 western elements then.
There is no Chinese-Eastern Quabala as such is there? Yes there's a number-based manifestation which AC attributed to the English Alphabet but planes and the 4 worlds? Of course the Tibetan Book of the Dead deals with planes and entities and ring-pass-nots but did they have it down to a science like the Quabalists?
The medical aspect is highly codified (or Qabalaized) - consisting of herbs, points, channels and syndromes. There used to be the esoteric stuff, but the Communists removed it. When I herd that, I asked the instructor, "What kind of stuff?"
"Oh, for an example," he said, "drawing a pentagram in the air with a needle before inserting it in the patient."
The Chinese have the 5 elements locked in tight in a practical manner. It is used for diagnosis and treatment of patients in their hospitals.
But (there's always a butt, isn't there?), there is also the BaGua (PaKua) system, commonly called the 8 Principles. 5-element acupuncture is predominant in Europe and Eastern USA. It got imported through Germany). 8-principle acupuncture is predominant in Western USA, brought in by the Chinese themselves. One has to have a the Medical QBL memorized for both systems (5 & 8) as part of pasing a licensing exam.
As for the planets and the esoteric stuff, you would need to investigate the Taoist philosophy. They get into astrology and calligraphy and martial arts. I was lucky to have Chinese teachers direct from the Asian continent. My exposure to Taoism was through a Taiwan lineage (the Taoists ran off to Taiwan, so the Commies couldn't purge their traditional data).
There can't be a "Chinese-Eastern Quabala as such" if what's meant is something like Gematria.
The idea of attributing numbers to the constituent letters making up words and adding them doesn't really translate to a character-based writing system where words are not made up of letters.
a secret order revealed
the mysteries of Al Khem ia
an incarnation of a certain Taoist Immortal
take over bodies
even bodies assumed
taking care of business
get stirred in the Akasic body
earthed on trees
as new incarnations
embroiled in machinations
Planes are identified in The Seven Planes Chart, which correlates quite nicely with the Tree
Ignant is correct. There are about 50,000 Chinese ideograms. Iknow one of them. The rest is Greek (or Russian) to me. However, they do have an intricate numerology system, with the numbers 3 and 8 being propitious. I know nothing more about this.
There are also at least 500 dialects of Chinese. Nobody can understand dialects other than their own ... but they all use the same written characters. What a mess.
Fair enough, david, but the Hebrew letters create and constitute the world in orthodox qabalah. YHVH creates the world by speaking words.
This doctrine just can't be shoehorned into a character-based system.
We can find correlations, because it's all the same thing at some level, but played out quite differently in different cultures and within cultures in different times.
Despite 777's contrary position, it just isn't true that one can neatly correlate all the facts, facets, and figures of magick and mysticism of all cultures in all times, like some sort of Supernal Accountant.
There can’t be a “Chinese-Eastern Quabala as such” if what’s meant is something like Gematria.
The idea of attributing numbers to the constituent letters making up words and adding them doesn’t really translate to a character-based writing system where words are not made up of letters.
Curiously enough, there was such a gematria system for cuneiform in Mesopotamia, and there exist tablets which assign a specific number to a specific sign in one of the basic syllabaries, Syllabary A, which contains 211 characters.
The bad news is that it is not intuitive, e.g. signs don't seem to be able to be broken down into their constituent parts in order to understand why a given number is assigned; there is no correlation between the sign's ordinal place in the syllabary and its number, etc. The system is absolutely consistent across the 5 or 6 tablets from different locations and times that preserve it (all first millennium I believe), but without being able to understand the logic of it, the consensus is that it is arbitrary.
There is also a system, unrelated, of calling gods by numbers, e.g. Ishtar is 15, as well as other things, just known by a number. There is also one in which Sargon says "the number of my name, 16,280", which was noted and explained unsatisfactorily in the 19th century. So there are some who think that alphabet gematria was an imitation of cuneiform gematria, but it is clearly not on the same principles.
I'll dig up my short bibliography on it, maybe some of the older articles are online.
I suppose that the closest things to the YHVH "worlds" in Asian mysticism are the bardos of Tibetan Buddhism as follows (wiki);
Kyenay bardo (skye gnas bar do): is the first bardo of birth and life. This bardo commences from conception until the last breath, when the mindstream withdraws from the body.
Milam bardo (rmi lam bar do): is the second bardo of the dream state. The Milam Bardo is a subset of the first Bardo. Dream Yoga develops practices to integrate the dream state into Buddhist sadhana.
Samten bardo (bsam gtan bar do) is the third bardo of meditation. This bardo is generally only experienced by meditators, though individuals may have spontaneous experience of it. Samten Bardo is a subset of the Shinay Bardo.
Chikhai bardo ('chi kha'i bar do): is the fourth bardo of the moment of death. According to tradition, this bardo is held to commence when the outer and inner signs presage that the onset of death is nigh, and continues through the dissolution or transmutation of the Mahabhuta until the external and internal breath has completed.
Chönyi bardo (chos nyid bar do): is the fifth bardo of the luminosity of the true nature which commences after the final 'inner breath' (Sanskrit: prana, vayu; Tibetan: rlung). It is within this Bardo that visions and auditory phenomena occur. In the Dzogchen teachings, these are known as the spontaneously manifesting Thödgal (Tibetan: thod-rgyal) visions. Concomitant to these visions, there is a welling of profound peace and pristine awareness. Sentient beings who have not practiced during their lived experience and/or who do not recognize the clear light (Tibetan: od gsal) at the moment of death are usually deluded throughout the fifth bardo of luminosity.
Sidpa bardo (srid pa bar do): is the sixth bardo of becoming or transmigration. This bardo endures until the inner-breath commences in the new transmigrating form determined by the "karmic seeds" within the storehouse consciousness.
" Big Concealment said,
"If you confuse the constant strands of Heaven and violate the true form of things, then Dark Heaven will reach no fulfillment.
Instead, the beasts will scatter from their herds, the birds will cry all night, disaster will come to the grass and trees, misfortune will reach even to the insects.
Ah, this is the fault of men who 'govern'!"
"Then what should I do?" said Cloud Chief.
"Ah," said Big Concealment,
"you are too far gone! Up, up, stir yourself and be off!"
Cloud Chief said,
"Heavenly Master, it has been hard indeed for me to meet with you—I beg one word of instruction!"
"Well, then—mind‑nourishment!" said Big Concealment. "You have only to rest in inaction and things will transform themselves. Smash your form and body, spit out hearing and eyesight, forget you are a thing among other things, and you may join in great unity with the deep and boundless. Undo the mind, slough off spirit, be blank and soulless, and the ten thousand things one by one will return to the root—return to the root and not know why. Dark and undifferentiated chaos—to the end of life none will depart from it. But if you try to know it, you have already departed from it. Do not ask what its name is, do not try to observe its form. Things will live naturally end of themselves." "
parable about "Cloud Chief" and "Big Concealment" that uses the Shijing compound xianxian ("dance; jump"):
" liberation from the corpse
open out; unfurl, unfold; reveal
Shijie is similar to the word bianhua ("transformation; metamorphosis") and its synonymous components bian ( "change; alter") and hua ( "change; transform").
"notoriously slippery term" with "the potential for confusion", and sometimes "misrepresented or interpreted in a way too vague to be intelligible"
The huà ( "change; transform; convert") in bianhua occurs in several Daoist alternative terms for shijie. Jiěhuà ( with the jie "release; etc." in shijie) means "liberate the mortal body and attain the Dao". Xiāohuà ( with "melt away; disintegrate") means "release the physical body and transform into a xian" "
“ Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
15 Get thee unto Pharaoh in the morning; lo, he goeth out unto the water; and thou shalt stand by the river's brink against he come; and the rod which was turned to a serpent shalt thou take in thine hand.
17 Thus saith the Lord,
In this thou shalt know that I am the Lord: behold,
I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood.
18 And the fish that is in the river shall die, and the river shall stink;
21 And the fish that was in the river died; and the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink of the water of the river; and there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt.
24 And all the Egyptians digged round about the river for water to drink; for they could not drink of the water of the river.
25 And seven days were fulfilled, after that the Lord had smitten the river.
8 And the Lord spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
2 And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs:
3 And the river shall bring forth frogs abundantly, which shall go up and come into thine house, and into thy bedchamber, and upon thy bed, and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thine ovens, and into thy kneadingtroughs:
4 And the frogs shall come up both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.
6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.
7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt. “
“ “The sexual behaviors between a man and woman are identical to how the universe itself came into creation. Like Heaven and Earth, the male and female share a parallel relationship in attaining an immortal existence. They both must learn how to engage and develop their natural sexual instincts and behaviors; otherwise the only result is decay and traumatic discord of their physical lives. However, if they engage in the utmost joys of sensuality and apply the principles of yin and yang to their sexual activity, their health, vigor, and joy of love will bear them the fruits of longevity and immortality.”
“A female can completely restore her youthfulness and attain immortality if she refrains from allowing just one or two men in her life from stealing and destroying her [sexual] essence, which will only serve in aging her at a rapid rate and bring about an early death. However, if she can acquire the sexual essence of a thousand males through absorption, she will acquire the great benefits of youthfulness and immortality.” “
Shiva Shakti Notaraja Kali
d: What are people doing in these Tai Chi movements?
They are making (solo) movements, which if applied to an attacker will make him hurt, or fall down, or die. The McDonalds of Tai Chi is the health-promoting exercise that gets the Chi moving and cures many chronic diseasees.
In the Tai Chi tournaments, this fluff is set aside in favor of actually hurting, throwing, or killing one's opponent. It's almost all throwing, and I've not heard of actual deaths or maiming.
Tai Chi is similar to Aikido in that the aim is self-defense without killing or maiming, but the tournaments get pretty rough. It's mostly a matter of making the other guy fall down or be hurled outside the circle. Not once, but over and over for a set time. Then, judges award the winner (the guy who did the most throwing).
cs: I emailed your borg for the pdf but perhaps you didn’t see it
I just checked the Borg's memory and find that you were NOT on the BCC list associated with the pre-release. It gets so confusing sometimes. The "private" sending list is getting longer, and you should have been in there with the elected elect. Indeed, I saw no specific request from you. Do you really exist? I will send it (the doc). Please allow one to ten days. (Msg sent 11:34 AM).
Speaking of tai qi vs qi gong,
In the beginning, these seem to be two different arts/practices. After a (long) while, there is no difference.
do you think the outer forms are necessary or can one simply use inner alchemy/visualization/moving of the qi with the mind and breath for the same results?
As stated in the text, the infamous "no holds barred" tournament, held annually in Hong Kong, saw a practitioner of Internal Tai Chi beat all the tough guys. (Bruce Lee also won this contest one year, so we should not discard his abilities).
But even the Internalists usually practice the forms as well. I don't think it's a matter of style or linege ... It's a matter of the skill (developed on more than basic physical skill) of any given individual. The only way to really find out is to have a contest, and history tells us that horse races, political ascension, and hand-to-hand combat are often decided by hidden factors.
Understood. I do inner qi gong for years now and I feel a lot of benefit in my chakra areas in regards to storing and cleaning energy, also I find it helps with psychological things, calmness, clarity etc. That said my channels can be all nice and clean but if I don't move my ass then my ass gets stiff, so to speak 😀
I do exist. Currently. But maybe when I sent the email the first time, I didn't?