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  • #114227

    mal
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    The motto of the French Revolution was/is “Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité”

    These words bring to mind Marianne.

    #114228

    ignant666
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    Who, one might note, wears, along with her Phrygian “Liberty” cap, the Masonic square and compasses on her sash, reflecting the Freemasonic/Illuminati roots of the French Revolution.

    A goddess who needs more bhakti, and other, more practical, worship.

    Liberty Leading the People

    #114229

    Tiger
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    beautiful imagery
    i was gonna go with pallas athena

    but
    “The motto of the French Revolution was/is “Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité”
    These words bring to mind Marianne. “

    got my attention
    first time seeing her
    around these parts.

    what was her name again ?
    Marianne ?

    i’m gonna have to look her up
    and start learnin some french

    #114230

    Tiger
    Participant

    thanks

    #114232

    elitemachinery
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    @michaelstaley said:

    Having been politically of the left since my ‘teens. I find no difficulty whatever in reconciling Thelema and socialism. I appreciate that others can do likewise with right-wing politics.

    A Thelemite should be able to find his way under any political atmosphere, no?

    #114233

    dom
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    @Ignant

    Yes 1794 ie modern history which is the period since the French Revolution. Yes the three principles of the revolution, you actually think I didn’t know that?

    #114234

    dom
    Participant

    Apologies,didn’t read other posts. Thought you were answering my Robespierre question.

    Anyone familiar with RAWs Illuminatus trilogy? Lots of anarchist theory in there.

    #114235

    Michael Staley
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    @elitemachinery

    A Thelemite should be able to find his way under any political atmosphere, no?

    Not sure what you mean by “find his way”. If you mean “can adapt to”, then yes.

    #114236

    dom
    Participant

    The Phrygian cap and the ancient Mithras cult. See my Sothic cycles thread for more on this.

    Anyway folks get reading Ignant’s wiki links then see you back here.

    • This reply was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by  dom.
    #114238

    belmurru
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    I’ve always voted, when I could (in Canada, and now France). I vote tactically, not partisan, for the various levels of government. People shunned me for voting for the sometimes distasteful right-wing Robert Ménard for mayor of Béziers (and he has done almost everything I expected, and more in many cases). But I would not dream of voting for him for President of France, or in the European Parliament. Conversely, I support Macron’s party on the national and international level, although they enact many policies that I dislike personally. I know where things are going and where I want them to go generally, and this party is best suited to deliver it.

    My thought-experiments, informed by as much history as I can learn and continue learning, have tended to result in liberal democracy as the least-worse option for the majority of people. The premise of this formula is of course utilitarian – the greatest good for the greatest number – which seems reasonable as a standard. But it is not necessarily true, or Thelemic.

    But Chapter 81 of the Book of Lies, the book which has probably influenced my thinking more than any other since I was steeped in it from the age of 15, is always drumming in the back of my mind, reminding me that instinctively I am for Aristocracy (aristos – the best):

    Louis Lingg

    I am not an Anarchist in your sense of the word:
    your brain is too dense for any known explosive to affect it.
    I am not an Anarchist in your sense of the word:
    fancy a Policeman let loose on Society!
    While there exists the burgess, the hunting man, or any man with ideals less than Shelley’s and self-discipline less than Loyola’s – in short, any man who falls far short of MYSELF – I am against Anarchy, and for Feudalism.
    Every “emancipator” has enslaved the free.

    We have a lot of emancipators these days.

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    #114240

    elitemachinery
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    @michael-staley said:

    Not sure what you mean by “find his way”. If you mean “can adapt to”, then yes.

    I didn’t word my question very well.

    A Thelemite can operate in any political climate.

    Being a Thelemite does not exclude one from participating in any of the various political entities.

    Is Thelema limited more or less by any certain political philosophies?

    #114241

    Michael Staley
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    @elitemachinery

    Is Thelema limited more or less by any certain political philosophies?

    No, I don’t think it is. In my view it’s more to do with a person’s existing predilections, which in my case have been left-wing as long as I can remember. I’m arawe, for instance, that a collectivist interpretation of Thelema is just that – an interpretation. I can remember when first coming across The Book of the Law that I found some things simply unacceptable, and still do.

    #114245

    ignant666
    Participant

    Inspired by this thread, i ordered Pasi’s Aleister Crowley and the temptation of politics, which i have put off reading for far too long. It is said to be very good, and the most serious scholarly book to look at AC.

    I do not take my ideas about politics from AC, and would argue that his politics were both rather unsophisticated, and extremely incoherent- often mired in his love of posing and paradox. Rather, my politics derive from the question: what would allow the most people the best chances of doing their will?

    Work/wage-slavery is clearly a big impediment to self-realization or creativity for many people. It is no accident that most mystics and magicians (like many left revolutionaries- Kropotin was a prince) come from the bourgeoisie and lived on inherited wealth. Thus, anti-capitalism.

    Authority, law, tradition, “the way it’s always been”: these too act to constrain individual liberty, often at gunpoint, and always with the threat that armed men will enforce the will of those in power. Thus, anti-authoritarianism.

    Put them together: anarcho-communism.

    #114246

    dom
    Participant

    @Ignant and everyone

    I have visited the wiki pages recommended abd i already knew about anarchist ideology mainly via history at school where i received an A grade and via the psychedelic ramblings of RAW in his Illuminatus novel,jointly written.

    Basically anarchists are against any form of state entity or coercion and this includes the leftist states. The term ‘Privi-lege’ comes from the Latin for private law. Property is generally seen as theft and money is viewed as an unnecessay tool.

    My view is that if you were to remove the state and money from human history then we would still be hunting and gathering in our bare feet. Neolithic. Screw that.

    Who cleans out the toilets in an anarchist colony? What about law and order. It seems to be the height of naivety to think that this is a viable option in our modern civilisation.

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    #114251

    Tiger
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    Who cleans out the toilets in an anarchist colony?
    you would have to clean your own shit

    then you might be better able to help clean others

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