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    Jamie J Barter
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    Michael Staley to dom :

    I had hoped that in this thread you would discuss politics and Thelema. Instead, with your glib, frankly mindless clichés you sound increasingly like a Daily Mail editorial.

    This was exactly the thought which crossed my mind as well! David/ Dom seems to growing ever more reactionary and right wing with every fresh post and mutating into Colonel Blimp from Tunbridge Wells before our eyes (hopefully our overseas cousins will be able to get these rather ‘Brit’ cultural references)

    N Joy

    #114317

    ignant666
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    A song for david:

    #114319

    dom
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    @belmurru

    dom –
    “That’s why socialism turns into fascism.”

    Socialism does not turn into fascism. That seems to be an absurd statement

    It is, as it is written absurd and I apologise, obviously it would be more accurate to say that’s why when socialism turns into fascism that is the reason ie backstabbing scallywag assholes in it for themselves rise through the ranks.

    @michael

    Michael, the kibbutz did attract idealistic people in the main…. not louts and slackers.

    . I had hoped that in this thread you would discuss politics and Thelema. Instead, with your glib, frankly mindless clichés you sound increasingly like a Daily Mail editorial.

    Thelemically speaking I view the aeonics as an overriding factor ie IAO. We were anarchic in our ancient nomadic Isisian past then came aristocracies and great cities and empires ie “the state” of the Setian-Osirisian era which granted us what we call civilization. Good luck if you want to dismantle all connections with state via small isolated self-sufficient communities. Isn’t that what Crowley’s Cefalu experiment was supposed to be? Autonomous individuals pushing off to live together Thelemically?

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    #114332

    Jamie J Barter
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    @dom :

    Good luck if you want to dismantle all connections with state via small isolated self-sufficient communities. Isn’t that what Crowley’s Cefalu experiment was supposed to be?

    No. The Abbey was never (meant to be) any such self-sufficient community where they all lived off the land a la The Good Life, growing all their own produce and farming their own food off the land, milking their own cows, tanning their own hide, etc.: A.C. & co. had to toddle off into town just like everyone else every few days to stock up on the basic essentials of life at the Abbey: bread, drinking water, enough class A drugs…

    N Joy

    #114337

    dom
    Participant

    Thelema and politics?

    Who cares what the given external economic system is if you can’t even do the prescribed “obey my prophet” exercises from e.g. Liber E and/or Liber O and so on?

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    #114344

    Jamie J Barter
    Participant

    Schmthelema and schmpolitics?

    Oh, I feel sorry for you there, dom, if this is a confession on your part and your “you” actually means “I”, there — you’re saying that you can’t even do the prescribed exercises? That’s fairly elementary level stuff, isn’t it?

    I recommend: keep on practising at it then, and one day…

    …”Gotcha”!
    N Joy

    #114345

    dom
    Participant

    Hilarious.

    Not.

    #114346

    Jamie J Barter
    Participant

    See, dom, that’s your trouble these days: you’ve hardly any sense of humour, which is why you prove so irresistable to those who may want to rattle your cage to see how you react. But to be serious: what would you estimate is the proportion of “backstabbing scallywag assholes in it for themselves [who] rise through the ranks” spoiling it for everyone else? Is it a majority? The same proportion as those with a sociopathic outlook in the community (roughly estimated about 1 in 20)? Or what? .And do you think it’s practically impossible for the rest to be able to deal with that rogue element?

    #114350

    christibrany
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    @mayet
    I heartily disagree with the Über-simplistic statement you put forth ‘a soldier is a soldier, a scribe is a scribe etc’
    I subscribe in my life to the ideal of the Renaissance man, and also the Homeric hero.
    I believe we all have the ability if we put our minds and Will to it, to excel at many things. For example Crowley with not just chess and magick but also mountain climbing.
    Myself I enjoy keeping fit with hiking, weights, etc, keen with shooting while still reading studying, and doing magick/mysticism and playing and improving at drums and languages.
    I think to limit yourself to one archetype or role in life is very shortsighted.

    Also this thread has ballooned exponentially in a few days so I have to read more of it.

    #114351

    Tiger
    Participant

    you’re saying that you can’t even do the prescribed exercises?
    i’m still figuring out a scheme and hoe to coerce other beings
    i mean
    whose going to to the laundry ?

    #114357

    dom
    Participant

    @jbarter

    No humour?

    But to be serious: what would you estimate is the proportion of “backstabbing scallywag assholes in it for themselves [who] rise through the ranks” spoiling it for everyone else? Is it a majority? The same proportion as those with a sociopathic outlook in the community (roughly estimated about 1 in 20)? Or what? .And do you think it’s practically impossible for the rest to be able to deal with that rogue element?

    I know not. Communal vigilante policing…imagine that haha.

    #114372

    Shiva
    Participant

    jb: Dom seems to growing ever more reactionary and right wing with every fresh post …

    Not only that, but have you noticed that (recently) he has trouble composing a post without adding some form of derogatory or “gutter” language.

    “… ie backstabbing scallywag assholes …”

    d: Who cares what the given external economic system is …

    Everyone should care (to their own capability), even if they can’t do the basic practicess, because they are affected by said system.

    #114378

    dom
    Participant

    Shiva are you following this thread? I used the term “assholes” to refer to “assholes” who unscrupulously take advantage of movements like marxism and anarchism for their own destructive ends.

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    #114381

    Shiva
    Participant

    d: Shiva are you following this thread?

    Sort of, and barely. Please excuse me if I’m not a follower.

    I used the term “assholes” to refer to “assholes” who unscrupulously take advantage of movements like marxism and anarchism for their own destructive ends.

    Yes. And almost every police officer refers to a perpetrator as an “asshole.” But that doesn’t take it out of the gutter. I’m not beyond using a “water channel at the edge of a road” term now and then, for emphatic emphasis. But I only cited one example from your post here in this thread. If we run around and gather up all the recent threads, it appears that you are the one most likely to use language unfit for publication in the USA.

    I’m no prude, you can take that to the bank, and I understand that in the UK and Aus, “swear words” are often printed in the newspaper when quoting or attacking … I’m just mentioning your “filthy keyboard” because it’s been happening more and more lately.

    Have you considered anger management therapy?

    I agree with your sentiments regarding the efforts of the minions of the Black Lodge. I am not suggesting that your mouth and keyboard be washed out with soap … but NEMO makes black words white.

    #114385

    Jamie J Barter
    Participant

    @dom :

    No humour?
    “Hardly any” “these days”. Apparently replaced by a heightened sense of self (small s) regard, more’s the pity alas!

    I know not.
    Know not, but speaketh (writeth) much.

    Communal vigilante policing…
    You’ve chosen two words with emotive overtones but, yes that sort of thing (social pressure). There are no easy answers (otherwise they would have been tried already) but you don’t appear to have any better or more constructive ideas except to pour general derision. Well, actually your solution seems to be “communal state (i.e., official/ “ordained”) policing” instead.

    imagine that haha.
    Fancy, yes. Just imagine!

    Aha ha
    N Joy

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