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  • #113757

    dom
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    If RHK Horus was the Warrior Lord of the 40s then the next aeon of Maat must occur before 2040 otherwise the prophecy would be defunct?

    #113760

    Shiva
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    d: … otherwise the prophecy would be defunct?

    Uh,oh! You better be careful or your logic mentors are going to take you to task.

    #113772

    ignant666
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    I wonder if it would be worth tracking the periodicity of these attacks of david’s?

    It’s not as often as monthly, but several times a year, he comes out with these nutty… outbreaks? In between he has been increasingly able to reason/understand reasoning, but then it all goes kerflooey every now and then.

    Maybe it’s sun-spots? That Schaumann resonance thing? Price of cider at the local corner shop? Who knows.

    #113773

    Shiva
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    Ig: Maybe it’s sun-spots? That Schaumann resonance thing? Price of cider at the local corner shop? Who knows.

    No, no. Who nos? There must be a cause for this phenomenon. Says so in The Book Of Lies … if you can trust such a title. We must interpret all phenomena as a particular dealing of God with our Soul(s). God is sending lots of phenomenal messages through various channels these days.

    #113777

    Tiger
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    perhaps the dom flux
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    #113784

    dom
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    Not that I study Nostradamus or anything. “Warrior Lord of the 40s”. What’s all that then?

    AL III,46: “I am the warrior Lord of the Forties: the Eighties cower before me, & are abased. I will bring you to victory & joy: I will be at your arms in battle & ye shall delight to slay. Success is your proof; courage is your armour; go on, go on, in my strength; & ye shall turn not back for any!”
    The Old Comment
    46. I do not understand the first paragraph.
    The New Comment
    Forty is Mem, Water, the Hanged Man; and Eighty is Pe, Mars, the blasted Tower. These Trumps refer respectively to the “Destruction of the World by Water” and “by Fire.” The meaning of these phrases is to be studied in my Rituals of Magick, such as Book 4, Parts II & III. Its general purport is that He is master of both types of Force. I am inclined to opine that there is a simpler and deeper sense in the text than I have so far disclosed
    “at your arms” is a curious turn of phrase. There may be some cryptographic implication, or there may not; at least, there is this, that the use of such un-English expressions makes a clear-cut distinction between AIWAZ and the Scribe. In the inspired Books, such as Liber LXV, VII, DCCXIII and others, written by The Beast 666 directly, not from dictation, no such awkward expressions are to be found. The style shows a well-marked difference.

    from commentaries. I suppose you roll with this instead?

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    #113787

    Michael Staley
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    @dom

    If RHK Horus was the Warrior Lord of the 40s then the next aeon of Maat must occur before 2040 otherwise the prophecy would be defunct?

    I’m unable to understand your opening post, dom. Nor does yout later quoting of the Commentary throw any light on it. The Aeon of Maat, though, started in April 1948, so that meets at least your criteria of pre-2040 quite substantially.

    #113788

    dom
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    I’m unable to understand your opening post, dom

    If we take the statement from 1904 Liber Al about being the Warrior Lord of the 40s as in;

    ……………….

    ……………………. then this is prophecy.

    With that said imagine someone in 2050 reading AL and thinking “which 40s”? Well, the 1940s of course therefore would that make AL obsolete in the period post 2040 AD because the 1940s came and went and the prophecy of Al was fulfilled? If that is the case they (in 2050 AD) would be living in the next aeon, the aeon of Maat. In summation the prophecy about World War 2 in Al gave a clue to when the aeon of Maat would commence.

    Now if there is another world war in 2040 AD then that will mess up my point.

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    #113794

    Shiva
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    d: Now if there is another world war in 2040 AD then that will mess up my point.

    But I will be dead then, so who’s to know? I have been reading this thread, trying to find your point, but my head is running around in circles. I’m afraid your dissertation will need re-writing and re-submission.

    We all know that there was a War in the 1940s. There is no “19” in AL to confirm this was its meaning. AC’s Old Comment drew a blank. His New Comment was so tentative that it answers no questions.

    #113804

    dom
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    I guess Liber Al as predictive and prophetic goes into the reductive-materialistic no-go trash can even though RAW backed it.

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    #113807

    belmurru
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    The only exegesis I could ever get from this passage is that “40s” refers to Horus, through the number 44, which AC gave to him, I am not sure why. The ritual for invoking Horus involved a necklace of 44 pearls, which broke before they could use it.

    The “80s” recalls Peh, the Tower, which is indeed “abased” in that card. Perhaps these are the “twin warriors about the pillars of the world”, maybe Horus and Set.

    But I could never get much out of it. The 80s were a dud, compared to the 40s. Unless the collapse of the Warsaw Pact (i.e. end of the Cold War, fall of the Berlin Wall (abased!), etc.) counts. But that is grasping at straws.

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    #113811

    dom
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    The 80s were about preparing people for a disastrous all-out nuclear weapons catastrophe between two great opposing empires. Ronny stoked fire under the nuclear arms race and the Russians were not cooperating fully. People were even building nuclear fall-out shelters. This 80s threat of nuclear war was a direct consequence of the bombs that the USA had to use in the 40s to keep Fascist Imperial Japan in check.

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    #113815

    belmurru
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    The 50s were more scared than the 80s. That’s when most people built or thought about building bomb and fallout shelters. We didn’t have drills about what to do in the case of a nuclear attack like this –

    In the 50s and 60s, it was about bombs dropped from planes; by the 80s, there were ICBMs with multiple warhead hydrogen bombs, and guided missiles with nuclear warheads. Nobody in the 80s thought preparing for survival was much of an option. It was just Doomsday.

    In any case, the “warrior lord” of the 40s – whether you want him to be the USA, Russia, or Germany – was more real than anything that happened in the 80s. The 80s did not cower and were not abased. Any interpretation of them as fulfilling that prophecy is far-fetched.

    And if it were a prophecy about the end of the Cold War, what a let-down. “Warrior Lord” things have happened since that are much more dramatic, and if the prophecy’s relevance is limited to the 1940s and 1980s, the people for the next 1900 years of this Aeon have been let down pretty hard.

    #113817

    Michael Staley
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    @belmurru

    through the number 44, which AC gave to him,

    44 is very interesting in this context, being the number of years between the inception of the Aeon of Horus as detected by Crowley, and the inception of the Aeon of Ma as detected by Achad. Can you remember a source please for the attribution of 44 to Horus?

    #113818

    belmurru
    Participant

    AC alludes to the attribution twice in “Invocation of Horus according to the Divine Vision of وردا the Seer” –

    “44 pearl beads to be told.” (Equinox of the Gods p. 77)
    “This Ritual of Art; this Forty and Fourfold Invocation; this Sacrifice of Blood – these I do not comprehend” (ibid. p. 79)

    The note after “this Sacrifice of Blood”, inserted into the text in Equinox of the Gods, reads “(Merely, we suppose, that 44=DM (דם), blood. Possibly a bowl of blood was used. P. thinks it was in some of the workings at this time, but is not sure if it was this one.)”

    The “Invocation” has four sections of eleven parts each, thus 44.

    (“وردا“, Warda, Ouarda, W., Rose, is written in Arabic characters as such in the original notebook.)

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