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12/06/2019 11:32 pm  

If RHK Horus was the Warrior Lord of the 40s then the next aeon of Maat must occur before 2040 otherwise the prophecy would be defunct?


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13/06/2019 4:02 am  

d: ... otherwise the prophecy would be defunct?

Uh,oh! You better be careful or your logic mentors are going to take you to task.


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14/06/2019 1:18 am  

I wonder if it would be worth tracking the periodicity of these attacks of david's?

It's not as often as monthly, but several times a year, he comes out with these nutty... outbreaks? In between he has been increasingly able to reason/understand reasoning, but then it all goes kerflooey every now and then.

Maybe it's sun-spots? That Schaumann resonance thing? Price of cider at the local corner shop? Who knows.


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14/06/2019 2:03 am  

Ig: Maybe it’s sun-spots? That Schaumann resonance thing? Price of cider at the local corner shop? Who knows.

No, no. Who nos? There must be a cause for this phenomenon. Says so in The Book Of Lies ... if you can trust such a title. We must interpret all phenomena as a particular dealing of God with our Soul(s). God is sending lots of phenomenal messages through various channels these days.


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14/06/2019 5:29 am  

perhaps the dom flux
recur s a moment attached
to an idea
perhaps
that
the book of the law
should only be translated to golden tongue


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15/06/2019 12:13 am  

Not that I study Nostradamus or anything. "Warrior Lord of the 40s". What's all that then?

AL III,46: “I am the warrior Lord of the Forties: the Eighties cower before me, & are abased. I will bring you to victory & joy: I will be at your arms in battle & ye shall delight to slay. Success is your proof; courage is your armour; go on, go on, in my strength; & ye shall turn not back for any!”
The Old Comment
46. I do not understand the first paragraph.
The New Comment
Forty is Mem, Water, the Hanged Man; and Eighty is Pe, Mars, the blasted Tower. These Trumps refer respectively to the “Destruction of the World by Water” and “by Fire.” The meaning of these phrases is to be studied in my Rituals of Magick, such as Book 4, Parts II & III. Its general purport is that He is master of both types of Force. I am inclined to opine that there is a simpler and deeper sense in the text than I have so far disclosed
“at your arms” is a curious turn of phrase. There may be some cryptographic implication, or there may not; at least, there is this, that the use of such un-English expressions makes a clear-cut distinction between AIWAZ and the Scribe. In the inspired Books, such as Liber LXV, VII, DCCXIII and others, written by The Beast 666 directly, not from dictation, no such awkward expressions are to be found. The style shows a well-marked difference.

from commentaries. I suppose you roll with this instead?


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15/06/2019 12:35 am  

@dom

If RHK Horus was the Warrior Lord of the 40s then the next aeon of Maat must occur before 2040 otherwise the prophecy would be defunct?

I'm unable to understand your opening post, dom. Nor does yout later quoting of the Commentary throw any light on it. The Aeon of Maat, though, started in April 1948, so that meets at least your criteria of pre-2040 quite substantially.


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15/06/2019 1:37 am  

I’m unable to understand your opening post, dom

If we take the statement from 1904 Liber Al about being the Warrior Lord of the 40s as in;

……………….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUXIuYHFgBE

……………………. then this is prophecy.

With that said imagine someone in 2050 reading AL and thinking "which 40s"? Well, the 1940s of course therefore would that make AL obsolete in the period post 2040 AD because the 1940s came and went and the prophecy of Al was fulfilled? If that is the case they (in 2050 AD) would be living in the next aeon, the aeon of Maat. In summation the prophecy about World War 2 in Al gave a clue to when the aeon of Maat would commence.

Now if there is another world war in 2040 AD then that will mess up my point.


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15/06/2019 3:46 am  

d: Now if there is another world war in 2040 AD then that will mess up my point.

But I will be dead then, so who's to know? I have been reading this thread, trying to find your point, but my head is running around in circles. I'm afraid your dissertation will need re-writing and re-submission.

We all know that there was a War in the 1940s. There is no "19" in AL to confirm this was its meaning. AC's Old Comment drew a blank. His New Comment was so tentative that it answers no questions.


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15/06/2019 11:04 am  

I guess Liber Al as predictive and prophetic goes into the reductive-materialistic no-go trash can even though RAW backed it.


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15/06/2019 12:00 pm  

The only exegesis I could ever get from this passage is that "40s" refers to Horus, through the number 44, which AC gave to him, I am not sure why. The ritual for invoking Horus involved a necklace of 44 pearls, which broke before they could use it.

The "80s" recalls Peh, the Tower, which is indeed "abased" in that card. Perhaps these are the "twin warriors about the pillars of the world", maybe Horus and Set.

But I could never get much out of it. The 80s were a dud, compared to the 40s. Unless the collapse of the Warsaw Pact (i.e. end of the Cold War, fall of the Berlin Wall (abased!), etc.) counts. But that is grasping at straws.


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15/06/2019 12:23 pm  

The 80s were about preparing people for a disastrous all-out nuclear weapons catastrophe between two great opposing empires. Ronny stoked fire under the nuclear arms race and the Russians were not cooperating fully. People were even building nuclear fall-out shelters. This 80s threat of nuclear war was a direct consequence of the bombs that the USA had to use in the 40s to keep Fascist Imperial Japan in check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8phZrqb8QOY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do0x-Egc6oA


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15/06/2019 3:15 pm  

The 50s were more scared than the 80s. That's when most people built or thought about building bomb and fallout shelters. We didn't have drills about what to do in the case of a nuclear attack like this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UW0LgiHFQQ

In the 50s and 60s, it was about bombs dropped from planes; by the 80s, there were ICBMs with multiple warhead hydrogen bombs, and guided missiles with nuclear warheads. Nobody in the 80s thought preparing for survival was much of an option. It was just Doomsday.

In any case, the "warrior lord" of the 40s - whether you want him to be the USA, Russia, or Germany - was more real than anything that happened in the 80s. The 80s did not cower and were not abased. Any interpretation of them as fulfilling that prophecy is far-fetched.

And if it were a prophecy about the end of the Cold War, what a let-down. "Warrior Lord" things have happened since that are much more dramatic, and if the prophecy's relevance is limited to the 1940s and 1980s, the people for the next 1900 years of this Aeon have been let down pretty hard.


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15/06/2019 3:51 pm  

@belmurru

through the number 44, which AC gave to him,

44 is very interesting in this context, being the number of years between the inception of the Aeon of Horus as detected by Crowley, and the inception of the Aeon of Ma as detected by Achad. Can you remember a source please for the attribution of 44 to Horus?


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15/06/2019 4:36 pm  

AC alludes to the attribution twice in "Invocation of Horus according to the Divine Vision of وردا the Seer" -

"44 pearl beads to be told." (Equinox of the Gods p. 77)
"This Ritual of Art; this Forty and Fourfold Invocation; this Sacrifice of Blood - these I do not comprehend" (ibid. p. 79)

The note after "this Sacrifice of Blood", inserted into the text in Equinox of the Gods, reads "(Merely, we suppose, that 44=DM (דם), blood. Possibly a bowl of blood was used. P. thinks it was in some of the workings at this time, but is not sure if it was this one.)"

The "Invocation" has four sections of eleven parts each, thus 44.

("وردا", Warda, Ouarda, W., Rose, is written in Arabic characters as such in the original notebook.)


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15/06/2019 4:42 pm  

@belmurru

Many thanks for your prompt response, belmurru.


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15/06/2019 5:07 pm  

@MichaelStaley

You're very welcome. It was good to look it up to refresh my memory. Apparently the number 44 was Rose's inspiration.

Later in the notebook (I am using Marcus Katz' edition), after the Ritual B2, AC has notes attributing Hebrew letters to Egyptian gods, and he gives, together at the end, מTyphon, פHoor, so 40 Typhon (Set) and 80 Hoor, which is consistent with my speculations about the "twin warriors" and "warrior Lord of the Forties" being those two.

I'm not saying that is the correct interpretation of the verses, but it is something to consider in the context of the reception of the Book of the Law.


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15/06/2019 7:09 pm  

d: ... the bombs that the USA had to use in the 40s to keep Fascist Imperial Japan in check.

Actually, they didn't have to use these bombs.

Japan was already crushed. They were running their Zeros on oil distilled from pine tress (no petrol/gas). They were training every citizen, including children and the aged, in two basic Karate moves: The front punch, and the front kick. This was in preparation for the expected invasion, wherein the samurai spirit would die before surrendering. The bombs were not to keep Japan in check. They were checked. The bombs simply forced a quicker, and probably less bloody, end to a war that had already been lost.

b: We didn’t have drills about what to do in the case of a nuclear attack ...

We had "drop drills" in school in the early 50s. The teacher would suddenly yell "drop," and we had to get our fetal position crouched under our desks quick as a flash ... because flying glass was going to be coming out of the windows. By the late 50s, these drills had been phased out.

ms: Can you remember a source please for the attribution of 44 to Horus?

"This is the special number of Horus; it is the Hebrew
blood, and the multiplication of the 4 by the 11, the
number of Magick, explains 4 in its finest sense. But
see in particular the accounts in Equinox I, vii of the
circumstances of the Equinox of the Gods.
The word "Phoenix" may be taken as including the
idea of "Pelican", the bird, which is fabled to feeds its
young from the blood of its own breast. Yet the two
ideas, though cognate, are not identical, and "Phoenix"
is the more accurate symbol."

- Book of Lies, Ch 44


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15/06/2019 9:08 pm  

Nippon was already on it's arse? Fanaticsm was alive and kicking though. I guess nuclear devastation put an end to the crazy resistance movement but anyway......


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15/06/2019 9:45 pm  

... but anyway, those bombs were terrible. But it's still likely that more lives would have been lost in an invasion. The bombs certainly saved many more lives on the Allied side. I haven't done the math on whether the Japanese were more or less, depending on assumed statistics and mathematical manipulation.


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15/06/2019 9:57 pm  

@Shiva

The bombs were not to keep Japan in check. They were checked. The bombs simply forced a quicker, and probably less bloody, end to a war that had already been lost.

I agree that the nuclear bombs were not becessary, but I think it was simply the case that the USA wanted to test the potential of their new weapon.


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15/06/2019 11:36 pm  

ms: I think it was simply the case that the USA wanted to test the potential of their new weapon.

When the fifth ray scientists at the Manhattan Project were polled, they recommended dropping a bomb in Tokyo Harbor as a demo. But the first ray military said, "Screw that. We'll bomb a city or two."


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18/06/2019 5:34 pm  

If one considers that A Flock of Seagulls formed in 1980 and released albums for the following six years, the argument that the 80's were 'abased' takes on a new hue.


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19/06/2019 1:36 am  

If one considers that A Flock of Seagulls formed in 1980 and released albums for the following six years, the argument that the 80’s were ‘abased’ takes on a new hue.

Are you kiddin'? They were awesome.


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19/06/2019 6:52 am  

Ah, long live differences of opinion and taste.


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23/06/2019 8:43 pm  

Dwtw

I wrote this in a thread back in 2015:
https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/the-author-of-the-book-is-possessed-of-knowledge-beyond-any-yet-acquired-by-man/

"...Ra Hoor Khuit contrasts the Forties and the Eighties. The Hebrew letters that equal 40 and 80 are Mem and Peh, connected to the element of Water and the planet Mars, thus the Hanged Man and Tower in the Tarot, “the Destruction of the world by Water and by Fire”. Also, the numbers 40 and 80 are antigrams in Trigrammaton qabalah. So with such polarities in mind, it is instructive to look at these two terms through the lens of both Hebrew and Greek gematria.

... the ‘Forties’ can indicate the numbers from 40 – 49 inclusive, which sum to 445, the same as the 12 Hebrew single letters. Theses are all attributed to the Zodiac, and this leads on to the 12 Tarot cards connected to these letters. So to say one is the ‘warrior Lord of the Forties’ can mean that one is the warrior Lord among this group of 12 zodiacal trumps. This being the case, there are only two sensible candidates – the Emperor and the Chariot.

The Emperor can certainly lead armies, but more often than not he is absent from the battlefield and is a figurehead, whereas the Charioteer is strictly a military figure, in full armor. Indeed, from the earliest tarots, Trump VII the Chariot was the symbol of victory in War, in contrast with its predecessor trump VI, named for Love. So it would seem that the Charioteer is the Warriror Lord, and this is strengthened by the fact that the letter of the Chariot trump is Chet, which is 418 when spelled in full, which equals Abrahadabra, which is the ‘reward of Ra Hoor Khut’, the warrior lord.

We may then consider ‘the Eighties’ to be the sum of the numbers from 80-89 inclusive, equaling 845. With this we look to the Greek qabalah, and there find the word NEKROUS, meaning ‘dead’. This word can be used in two senses, literal and metaphorical; someone who is physically dead, or someone who is spiritually dead. In fact, the word is used in both these senses in the famous quote from Matthew 8:22, where Jesus says “Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead”.

The remaining terms of interest are ‘cower’ and ‘abased’. Both indicate a lowering; to cower literally means to crouch down (in fear or shame), and abase means to humble or lower someone in esteem or position.

Thus we can reinterpret the sentence to mean something like “I am the Charioteer of the Tarot, and the spiritually dead shrink away before me, and are brought low”.

Of the Charioteer, Crowley says in the Book of Thoth that “The vizor of his helmet is lowered, for no man may look upon his face and live.” The spiritually dead would surely cower in fear before such a figure, and be at least humbled (if not humiliated) by his presence. But the spiritually alive would be awed by his presence, uplifted by his power, and recognize that he bears the Holy Grail."

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25/06/2019 9:40 pm  

Just throwing some ideas in...

‘EIGHTIES’ = 845 = νεκρους (NECROUS) = Dead (Mat 8:22)
‘FORTIES’ = 445 = νεκρος (NECROS) = Dead (Mark 9:26)

“I am the warrior Lord of the dead: the dead cower before me, & are abased.”

RHK, Horus taking the place of Osiris in the east?

AL III.46: "I am the warrior Lord [Cheth, Charioteer] of the Forties: [Mem, Hanged Man]
The influence of the left hand pillar on the aspirant in Hod.
N.B. Forties = 445 = δαιμονος (daimonos, sometimes translated devils) suggesting a further influence via path of Ayin?

the Eighties cower before me, & are abased.
The aspirant transits the path attributed to Peh and the Tower.

I will bring you to victory [Netzach] & joy: [influence of Jove, Jupiter, Chesed] I will be at your arms [spokes of the Wheel – Hands (at your arms), Caph, etc] in battle
The aspirant is under the influence of the right hand pillar.

& ye shall delight to slay.
Aspirant traverses the path of Nun, Scorpio and Death.

Success is your proof;
The Aspirant achieves K&C of HGA in Tiphereth

courage is your armour; go on,
Clothed in the Sun (ON), under influence of the angel the aspirant traverses the path to Geburah (Stength, Severity)
N.B. in the proof sheet for the Collected Works ‘armour’ is written as ‘ardour’.

go on, in my strength;
And, again, ‘go on’ by the path attributed to Teth (Lust or Strength)

& ye shall turn not back for any!"
Aspirant arrives in Chesed ready to cross the Abyss (without the aid of the angel). The English phrase is rather is odd: ‘turn not back’ rather than ‘not turn back’ drawing attention to it. Plus, ANY suggests ANI [i=y=10]. ANI is Hebrew for ‘I am’, self, ego.
AC’s 7=4 motto O.M. = not Not.

Ignant666 suggested “Not Not”, ie something like “I am”
See: https://www.lashtal.com/forums/topic/crowley-motto-o -m/


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