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ignant666
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06/08/2020 9:28 pm  

This is a transparent fabrication, with zero connection to Dee or HPL. The fact that it includes material by pulp author L. Sprague De Camp alone tells me this is a literary prank.

And so does wikipedia:

A hoax version of the Necronomicon, edited by George Hay, appeared in 1978 and included an introduction by the paranormal researcher and writer Colin Wilson. David Langford described how the book was prepared from a computer analysis of a discovered "cipher text" by Dr. John Dee. The resulting "translation" was in fact written by occultist Robert Turner, but it was far truer to the Lovecraftian version than the Simon text and even incorporated quotations from Lovecraft's stories in its passages. Wilson also wrote a story, "The Return of the Lloigor", in which the Voynich manuscript turns out to be a copy of the Necronomicon.

Here is what HPL had to say about the Necronomicon:

Now about the "terrible and forbidden books”—I am forced to say that most of them are purely imaginary. There never was any Abdul Alhazred or Necronomicon, for I invented these names myself. Robert Bloch devised the idea of Ludvig Prinn and his De Vermis Mysteriis, while the Book of Eibon is an invention of Clark Ashton Smith's. Robert E. Howard is responsible for Friedrich von Junzt and his Unaussprechlichen Kulten.... As for seriously-written books on dark, occult, and supernatural themes—in all truth they don’t amount to much. That is why it’s more fun to invent mythical works like the Necronomicon and Book of Eibon.

Now if you know where to get a copy of the Pnakotic Manuscripts, then let's talk...


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06/08/2020 10:47 pm  
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"These men, publishing through..."

This is all MADE UP grunt. Represented as an ancient text, or translation thereof, it was written when it was written and published. It is a lie, but permissible under the rules of writing fiction, horror, war stories, etc. 

It has been taken out of its original fictional setting and reproduced as the "real deal," which it is not. But it is useless to sound the warning bell after the cows have escaped from the barn. Thousands (I hope not millions) of people hold and reinforce the collective thoughtform that the Necro is "real" in its claims.

So there are "parts" that catch one's attention. Nostradamus worked with angels to produce such things. Any aspirant on the Path, who has been at it for a while, has had similar experiences, directly, no angels or spirits involved. Probably not enough to write a book, but when some gifted (sensitive) author or a proficient magician gets "on a roll," then interesting things come out.

 


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07/08/2020 2:12 pm  

I would equate joining the Esoteric Order of Dagon with joining the Sons of the Desert. One is for fans of H P Lovecraft and one is for fans of Laurel & Hardy.

I would guess that the esoteric instruction they offer is at the same level.

Which one would Crowley have joined? To my mind, there is no question: Sons of the Desert.


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08/08/2020 12:45 am  
  • I respectfully disagree Alan_OBrien on account of my own reaction to the introduction of this order within 'The Shadow Over Innsmouth' which, everytime that I hear/read it gives me a laugh. I'll wager that it does to others as well, not least of which could be the Typhonian practitioners. We should differentiate sometimes between the Old Codger AC & the Young Buck, especially when it comes to the work of Kenneth Grant, HPL etc. He would have preferred, perhaps, Laurel & Hardy in his fatigued years but, definitely, KG & HPL in his younger for humour, fantasy, & much more. 

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08/08/2020 7:24 am  
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Posted by: @karkir-joharkarnt

"These men, publishing through..."

This is all MADE UP grunt. Represented as an ancient text, or translation thereof, it was written when it was written and published. It is a lie, but permissible under the rules of writing fiction, horror, war stories, etc. 

It has been taken out of its original fictional setting and reproduced as the "real deal," which it is not. But it is useless to sound the warning bell after the cows have escaped from the barn. Thousands (I hope not millions) of people hold and reinforce the collective thoughtform that the Necro is "real" in its claims.

 

But that's precisely the beauty of it, and it doesn't really matter if it's "made up". Mythologic tales in ancient times developed through in an organic or popular way like this, without the need of establishment authorities dictating or legitimizing them, and without losing it's capacity to contain esoteric truths, and at the end modern popular culture fiction works essentialy in the same way. I don't think it's simply an analogy, it's that both things are essentialy the same. What happens today is that there's a quite extended cultural prejudice towards popular culture, based upon the made up and very convenient (for some) division between "high culture" and "low culture", etc, and which is quite particularly inflicted upon literary genres like horror, fantasy, or science fiction.


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08/08/2020 8:17 am  
Posted by: @apuleius

it doesn't really matter if it's "made up".

Of course, this is true. My objection to its perception comes from personal contact with real people who think (thought) this was some ancient grimoire of great power. Of course, again, even if it were an ancient grim, like Abramelin, or the original Disputations of Martin Luther, it still would have been "made up."

In fact, I will go even further by saying that the A.'.A.'. curriculum is a "make up."

So are all those other systems.

I base my bold statements on a little saying that I like to quote: "There are nine vehicles of liberation. The lower eight are intellectually contrived. Only the ninth is true."

Let me rephrased my accusations and say, "Okay, let's drop the charge to false advertising."

 


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09/08/2020 11:08 pm  

- Knowledge is power. What if there really are built structures at the South pole for instance, as claimed by Linda Moulton for instance ( https://www.youtube.com/user/Earthfiles ). Such "facts" certainly adds extra immersion and eeriness to the text. But as I said, I suspect the Book Of Enoch is the source.

- There are also found unreadable glyphs similar to the Egyptian glyphs. It would have been so cool if some of the names from the Necronomicon appeared within the glyph text. 


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10/08/2020 6:02 pm  
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- There are also found unreadable glyphs similar to the Egyptian glyphs. It would have been so cool if some of the names from the Necronomicon appeared within the glyph text. 

I don't know about anyone else, but I for one would be vewy scared and fwightened by such a revelation...

Despite no introduction (yet), welcome to these boards karkir-joharkarnt-kristkarkson! (mind if we perhaps call you 'kark' for short?)

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10/08/2020 7:05 pm  
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What if there really are built structures at the South pole ... ?

I heard about these structures in 1965. So what? Such info (a what if ?) might be of interest to an anti-arctic explorer, or an air force general, but such (alleged) knowledge has not influenced my path.

Sure, Knowledge can be Power, but it can also obscure the true goal.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

I don't know about anyone else, but I for one would be vewy scared ...

Oh, look: Calm down. Remove your mask. Breathe deeply. These structures can only have been built by extraterran aliens, a previous human civilization, humanoid clones, or the CIA. There's nothing to be fwightened about.

 


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10/08/2020 7:38 pm  

His fears are with reference to the HPL novel At the mountains of madness, where explorers discover vast ancient Antarctic structures built by the "Elder Things", which are giant horror-creatures.

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There are also 6 foot tall blind penguin-cattle.


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10/08/2020 8:01 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

A hoax version of the Necronomicon, edited by George Hay

It is a lot of fun though. I have the Skoob books version. Theres a sequel I have too from R'lyeh...ha

 

Posted by: @shiva

Sure, Knowledge can be Power,

But Da'ath can never be Geburah.

Posted by: @jamiejbarter

Despite no introduction (yet), welcome to these boards karkir-joharkarnt-kristkarkson!

I looked up that 'surname' but apparently it doesn't exist. It looks vaguely Icelandic but it led me to some adult 'actress' with a similar name.  Thanks (not) algorithm. 


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10/08/2020 11:03 pm  

- I just hope Linda Moulton (a ninth degree Rosicrucian) soon publishes the hieroglyphs. Might take some time to decipher the text without a second Rosetta stone. I'm sure many leisure Archaeologists/decoding experts on the internet stands ready to contribute. The similarities between the Antarctic glyphs and the Egyptian glyphs could shed new light on the Egyptian glyphs  and give rise to new interpretations of the Egyptian texts as well.


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11/08/2020 10:20 am  

As i approached the crypt i put the cowl on my head. Strange sonorous chants; not of a utilitarian, superficial, two dimensional or even a stenographic, type of language; but something more atavistic was being intoned and modulated; by bodies that enter the self conscious perception of being. The lure of the rite was under full swing. The Manas was lead into the drone before its slaying . I wondered dare i raise my earthbound gaze into that vast uninhabitable expanse they call the abyss ? Was it a hypnotic effect that neutralized the ordinary state of affairs and precipitated states beyond its comprehension ? Was it a phantasm that reached through the senses ? A remarkable impression ? A sleeping vision ? Now awake in the languor of craving, roused in wonderment .


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14/08/2020 4:43 pm  
Posted by: @ignant666

His fears are with reference to the HPL novel At the mountains of madness, where explorers discover vast ancient Antarctic structures built by the "Elder Things", which are giant horror-creatures.

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There are also 6 foot tall blind penguin-cattle.

To my mind H.P. Lovecraft is one of the greatest writers of his time; and there is no question that there is a sonorous Crowleyan tone in some of his writings. I agree wholeheartedly with Stephen King, in his opinion that Lovecraft is hands-down the greatest writer in the horror genre of the twentieth-century.

His personal shortcomings and xenophobia are of no interest to me. The majority of whites in his era were racist; it is a little better in the U.S. these days, but still bad obviously. Crowley, too, was a racist, unfortunately. Our supernal genius can and does shine through all that dirt which adheres to our petty personas over time, so I overlook their mundane mistakes, however atrocious.

In Lovecraft's case, however, his way with words holds me spellbound and transports me to places impossible to describe: his descriptions are enthralling, but I take them not so much literally but as hints or blinds. My mind, rather, sees terrifyingly jarring creases in the fabric of reality, in place of tentacles; or maddeningly horrific howlings, not of sound but of invisible waves of some mind-distorting presence, in place of the orations of "blind penguin-cattle".

No cinematic attempt to capture his genius has remotely come close to capturing his greatness, owing to the fact that so far they've all been so literal in their interpretation.

Anyway, I do perceive echoes of Aiwass here and there in Lovecraft's work. Please don't ask me to cite specific references because I've precious little time these days.

Just my opinion anyway. 🙂 

 


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14/08/2020 6:36 pm  
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No cinematic attempt to capture his genius has remotely come close to capturing his greatness, owing to the fact that so far they've all been so literal in their interpretation.

I disagree, "In the mouth of madness" by John Carpenter does a really great job capturing his spirit without being literal at all, in my view the best HPL adaptation to film so far.


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14/08/2020 6:46 pm  
Posted by: @aleisterion

No cinematic attempt to capture his genius has remotely come close to capturing his greatness, owing to the fact that so far they've all been so literal in their interpretation.

Guillermo del Toro is still trying to make At the Mountains of Madness. He's said to be one of the great auteurs of modern film horror, but like you say, I'm not sure that the genre's common implements will be able to evoke, cinematographically, the horror of Lovecraft's written work.

Though I do think film, as an artform, has the power. The contrivances of the horror genre itself are what limit those who try and fail to put Lovecraft to screen. Once these are discard, we can get somewhere. Just look at some of Herzog's films, like Even Dwarfs Started Small, or Lynch's more artistic exhibits like Eraserhead and The Elephant Man, or Welles's The Trial. The Devils is a fine Thelemic variant of this type, that has become popular for the wrong reasons. If we digest these works without the masturbatory, "intellectual" impulse, we can glimpse the same peaks to which Lovecraft tried to lead us.

Anyway, I've always preferred Clark Ashton Smith's writing to Lovecraft's. The Zothique and Hyperborea cycles epitomize, to me, his superiority. The Door to Saturn might be my favorite story of Smith's.


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14/08/2020 9:45 pm  

@djedi Smith is by far the better writer, agreed.


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14/08/2020 10:48 pm  

Devotees of the dark entity known among men as "Klarkash-Ton"?!?!

Eek! Quick, Henry, the Flit!


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29/08/2020 5:58 pm  

A recent document of possible interest to HPL devotees, tentacle cultists, and persons concerned with their health in these Plague Times:

Arkham Board of Health Feedback On Miskatonic University’s Draft Plan for a Safe Campus Reopening

As the father of a freshman at a small liberal-arts college in the northeast, i daily receive somewhat similar communications on campus COVID-19 testing, masking, and mitigation activities.

So far so good (knocks wood)- 17 cases (all of them, and their contacts, in quarantine; none are symptomatic) among 2,441 students (and a great many faculty and staff). Hopefully, none will become “squamous,” “ichthyic,” or “batrachian.”

Please do not attempt to revive the COVID-19 thread in response to this, or Paul will lock with the quickness.


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30/08/2020 2:25 am  

@ignant666

 

And if the digital readings shall bring up a shoggoth in a students personal domicile please let the campus police be dispatched post haste to eradicate the contagion.  


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30/08/2020 12:41 pm  

Shhh

Belittle the fiction.

If the i function begins to descend into the rhythmic seat and enters lower into the hypnagogic, and the dream states;
quick deliver it from such an ordeal !

It’s not even the first of November yet.


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30/08/2020 5:32 pm  
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It’s not even the first of November yet.

It's not even the first of September ... yet.

What prdeiction(s) are you offering for Nov? The Return of RTC? The End of Something (anything)? The Beginning of something new? The same olde thing? Please be clearer.

 


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30/08/2020 7:20 pm  

More of a sleight of hand than a prediction; in expectation of a hālæġ tide .

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That's what happens when i get spiritless and wait for something to jump.


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03/09/2020 11:14 am  

From beyond the existence of a dimension of being encompassed within the physical, located in space and the effects of time; subtle unearthly sinews of a different order were implanted in digital interfaces by innocent humans; creating an ensconced link in receptors. Fabricated with illusion; concealed in mirage to lure the fleshy individual into its unsealment.


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03/09/2020 6:28 pm  
Posted by: @tiger

concealed in mirage to lure the fleshy individual into its unsealment.

Oh, heaven and the hot place down below!  You have just revealed the secret of why people are so, um, engrossed in matter. Let me put it another way by quoting from the Dzogchen book ...

According to The Illuminating Lamp, delusion arises because sentient beings
"lapse towards external mentally-apprehended objects."

This external grasping is then said to produce
 sentient beings out of dependent origination.1

This dualistic conceptualizing process, which leads to samsara
(karmic cycles of death and rebirth)
is also termed
manas (mind)
as well as "awareness moving away from the ground."

1 Sentient beings of dependent origination are known today as clones, matrix characters, or muggles. They are the "common people" who have no spiritual insight, and are not interested in getting any such thing. As HPB said, "Not a soul among them."

 


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